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Title: Rovers not for sale
Post by: godlike1 on May 30, 2014, 07:18:03 am
Can we start some sort of campaign to make people realise that the club is currently in good hands and the fans do not want a boom or bust regime in charge who could easily run as soon as the going gets tough

I have to admit that there are times I have had my doubts over TB and DW but in fairness they have stuck to the word and did what they could to try and keep the club up last season

I have no doubt that they will support Dickov to get straight back up again and given we have decent season ticket sales for this time if the year I think the fans want a summer of stability as well

What do you all think? I'm going to kick it off with

#drfcnot4sale &
#drfcnot4louistomlinson
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: dknward2 on May 30, 2014, 07:37:23 am
Great idea need to have a great summer without all this crap again
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Metalmicky on May 30, 2014, 07:41:02 am
I think we need to see what is proposed first............. if anything.

so...............................

#drfcwait&seebeforegettingoverexcited
#drfccalmdowncalmdown
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Mr1Croft on May 30, 2014, 07:42:08 am
Funnily enough just seen someone put this on Facebook Rovers group...

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Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: BigColSutherland on May 30, 2014, 07:50:23 am
I'm pretty sure it's not up to us if it's for sale or not.
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Wild Rover on May 30, 2014, 08:53:49 am
Surely a statement either confirming or denying this "Buy Out" is in order from the "Owners" If its all bollox put it to bed NOW.
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Filo on May 30, 2014, 08:56:09 am
Surely a statement either confirming or denying this "Buy Out" is in order from the "Owners" If its all bollox put it to bed NOW.

I could n't agree more with you, failing to stamp on it now would signal that there's substance in it, we do not need the shit of last summer again
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: DearneValleyRover on May 30, 2014, 08:58:27 am
Surely a statement either confirming or denying this "Buy Out" is in order from the "Owners" If its all bollox put it to bed NOW.

Completely agree, enough of the rumours.
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: roversontheup on May 30, 2014, 09:01:22 am
Not sure the club should respond yet. It sets a precedent doesn't it.

So in the future when there are media rumours etc if the club don't come out and deny them do we all assume they are true?  Likewise if something is true but the club don't want it publicised what do they do! Having already set a orecident if they keep schtum we all assume its true and if they deny up they later be proved to be lying.

Difficult situation and whilst I want to know if there is some truth in this, I'm not sure the club should be commentating at this stage.

Damned if they do and damned if they don't!
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on May 30, 2014, 09:09:26 am
I think given it's front page of an international paper, they have little choice.
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Boomstick on May 30, 2014, 10:05:21 am
Personally I welcome the news, time for a change of direction. TB's heart is not in it, plus it raises tge clubs profile
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: DRNaith on May 30, 2014, 10:17:02 am
Personally I welcome the news, time for a change of direction. TB's heart is not in it, plus it raises tge clubs profile

"TB heart is not in it"? I do hope you have to work harder than that to get a bite from people on here
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Tokyos Boot on May 30, 2014, 10:18:36 am
Pathetic behaviour, someone wants to put money into our club and we 'aren't for sale'?

 :headbang:
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Iberian Red on May 30, 2014, 10:19:10 am
Personally I welcome the news, time for a change of direction. TB's heart is not in it, plus it raises tge clubs 9profile

It's good to know TB confides in you.
You must be very important.
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: BigColSutherland on May 30, 2014, 10:19:53 am
The level of investment provided in our last two seasons in the Championship was enough to get us relegated twice.
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Al4475 on May 30, 2014, 10:22:16 am
Agreed boomstick and JR put in precisely nowt in the last two championship seasons! From the mouths of the people who did at meet the owners events!
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 30, 2014, 10:30:48 am
Well it seems we are for sale
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: roversontheup on May 30, 2014, 10:59:02 am
There is a big difference between TB and DW actively wanting to sell and them considering any offers/approaches that are made to them.  Everything has a price.  My house isn't for sale but if someone knocked on the door and made a big offer then I would consider it very seriously.

I have no insider knowledge but IMHO TB and DW are doing a sterling job and I am quite happy for them to continue as we currently are unless the offer is deemed acceptable and doesn't put us into a boom or bust scenario.
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Filo on May 30, 2014, 11:08:04 am
There is a big difference between TB and DW actively wanting to sell and them considering any offers/approaches that are made to them.  Everything has a price.  My house isn't for sale but if someone knocked on the door and made a big offer then I would consider it very seriously.

I have no insider knowledge but IMHO TB and DW are doing a sterling job and I am quite happy for them to continue as we currently are unless the offer is deemed acceptable and doesn't put us into a boom or bust scenario.

Can't argue with that at all
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: bobjimwilly on May 30, 2014, 11:11:08 am
There is a big difference between TB and DW actively wanting to sell and them considering any offers/approaches that are made to them.  Everything has a price.  My house isn't for sale but if someone knocked on the door and made a big offer then I would consider it very seriously.

I have no insider knowledge but IMHO TB and DW are doing a sterling job and I am quite happy for them to continue as we currently are unless the offer is deemed acceptable and doesn't put us into a boom or bust scenario.

 :that:
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Boomstick on May 30, 2014, 11:40:19 am
Personally I welcome the news, time for a change of direction. TB's heart is not in it, plus it raises tge clubs 9profile

It's good to know TB confides in you.
You must be very important.
When was the last game he attended? , was he at leicester? When was the last time he wrote notes for the match day programme?

He alluded during the SC takeover attempt that the club would be for sale at the right price.
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: IDM on May 30, 2014, 12:17:30 pm
Pathetic behaviour, someone wants to put money into our club and we 'aren't for sale'?

 :headbang:


Folks are cautious after the SC fiasco - and before you try and back that up, please explain to me how a "Belize Hedge Fund" can take the fit and proper persons test?

Apart from the relegation, the club is well run off the field and we need to live within our means, again another reason why folks are cautious.

I actually agree that we shouldn't say we're not for sale, as the right offer may actually come along, but it needs to be in the best interests of the club, long term.
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Sad-Rovers on May 30, 2014, 12:18:36 pm
please explain to me how a "Belize Hedge Fund" can take the fit and proper persons test?

Same way Massimo Cellino did?
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: IDM on May 30, 2014, 12:24:28 pm
He is a person though SR - so the test could apply.  Whether he should have passed is another issue.

Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: since-1969 on May 30, 2014, 12:42:19 pm
Oh how I do love the close season. I
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Wellred on May 30, 2014, 02:15:37 pm
Oh how I do love the close season. I

You beat me to it. Don't you mean the silly season though?
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on May 31, 2014, 01:35:51 am
An easy way for the kid to lose all his money,One Direction won't last forever,they are no Take That,i don't see the longevity in them.
The only way he will get any money back is if we get to the Premier league,love to see that happen,but there are a lot of clubs chasing that dream.
When you takeover a football club it's a long term thing,and if he ever wants to change his mind once he's in charge,then he will get stick for running out on his home town.
A Big step,i'm not totally against it,nothing against the kid he's done well,and never forgot where he came from,and i can't see him having anything other than good intentions.
I Do like how the club is being run as spending what it can afford,but if he did takeover i don't think i'd like our club to go stupid getting past it Premier league players,and two or three years down the road,we are in trouble,i'm going to sit on the fence and get splinters.
Title: Re: (No subject)
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on May 31, 2014, 07:29:50 am
I would not be surprised if LT doesn't have a clue whats being asked of him financially. Now the shit has hit the fan, don't be surprised if he distances himself from the story. He'll listen to his mother!
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Copps is Magic on May 31, 2014, 08:39:50 am
An easy way for the kid to lose all his money,One Direction won't last forever,they are no Take That,i don't see the longevity in them.

You know the forums gone to pot when posters are defending Take That's record as a boy band.
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: River Don on May 31, 2014, 08:55:36 am
An easy way for the kid to lose all his money,One Direction won't last forever,they are no Take That,i don't see the longevity in them.

You know the forums gone to pot when posters are defending Take That's record as a boy band.

It seems to me 1D have a much greater international reach than Take That managed, I'd say they have the opportunity to become bigger earners.

With LT and the other one now taking an interest in their own music and writing original material, they have a key to extending their music career.

Their music may not be as accomplished, I don't know, I can't say I know a single one of their hits. I'm no fan of Gary Barlows ballads, for me the bar isn't set particularly high.
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: neil grainger on May 31, 2014, 10:41:10 pm
Can we start some sort of campaign to make people realise that the club is currently in good hands and the fans do not want a boom or bust regime in charge who could easily run as soon as the going gets tough

I have to admit that there are times I have had my doubts over TB and DW but in fairness they have stuck to the word and did what they could to try and keep the club up last season

I have no doubt that they will support Dickov to get straight back up again and given we have decent season ticket sales for this time if the year I think the fans want a summer of stability as well

What do you all think? I'm going to kick it off with

#drfcnot4sale &
#drfcnot4louistomlinson

Do you own the club?

If not, how can you presume to start campaigns on social media proposing that drfcnot4sale.....whatever that means?
You can't say something is not for sale which you do not own.
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Sad-Rovers on May 31, 2014, 10:44:52 pm
Amen Neil.

As I've said before any deal we'll be concluded between the relevant parties, us fans will have NO say in matters, cringeworthy Twitter campaign or not.
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: neil grainger on May 31, 2014, 11:05:53 pm
Owners come, owners go.

John Ryan took over ownership of our club at the most crucial time in our history, and saved us from oblivion.
He presided over the most successful period in our history.
I don't think he has gone away. I don't think he could ever go away.

I know nothing of the goings-on within the club because I'm just a supporter. A fan.
A fan for the past 46 years and for the rest of my life.

The club is in good hands at the moment and I trust them. If they abuse that trust, it won't change my love for the club because the club is bigger than all of them.
 
The soul of the club belongs to us, the fans, and nobody can buy or sell that.



Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: BobG on May 31, 2014, 11:16:18 pm
But that story is fading fast now Neil isn't it? It's not yet gone for good, but it's definitely on the way there. Two clubs this season have tried it: Hull City and Cardiff City. Neither has succeeded. But owners will keep trying, and, they'll win in the end. So, for me, the buying and selling of clubs does not include the fans. Clubs now are seen as 'world commercial vehicles'. They don';t have room for fans.

BobG
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: neil grainger on May 31, 2014, 11:25:27 pm
Call me naive Bob but I'm just not prepared to give in to that cynical view just yet, and I don't believe you are either.
We're not Man Utd, or Chelsea, or even QPR.

We're still close enough to this club to be able to have a say in its future, not least through the good work done by the VSC and In Rovers We Trust. I really believe the fans still have a voice.

Let's not let go of that mate, however old and curmudgeonly we become!
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Sad-Rovers on May 31, 2014, 11:27:00 pm
But that story is fading fast now Neil isn't it? It's not yet gone for good, but it's definitely on the way there. Two clubs this season have tried it: Hull City and Cardiff City. Neither has succeeded. But owners will keep trying, and, they'll win in the end. So, for me, the buying and selling of clubs does not include the fans. Clubs now are seen as 'world commercial vehicles'. They don';t have room for fans.

BobG

Do you believe that JR saw us as a "world commercial vehicle" when he bought us?

Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Lytham Rover on May 31, 2014, 11:35:44 pm
But that story is fading fast now Neil isn't it? It's not yet gone for good, but it's definitely on the way there. Two clubs this season have tried it: Hull City and Cardiff City. Neither has succeeded. But owners will keep trying, and, they'll win in the end. So, for me, the buying and selling of clubs does not include the fans. Clubs now are seen as 'world commercial vehicles'. They don';t have room for fans.

BobG

Do you believe that JR saw us as a "world commercial vehicle" when he bought us?



Did you believe SC saw us as a "world commercial vehicle"?
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Sad-Rovers on May 31, 2014, 11:37:13 pm
Did you believe SC saw us as a "world commercial vehicle"?

No.
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: BobG on May 31, 2014, 11:41:12 pm
I was speaking of 'football' and 'football clubs'. Not 'Doncaster Rovers Football Club'.  A more general review of the state of the economics of footy and how that impacts on whether or not such clubs will even have a soul in days to come. I doubt it mesen.

BobG
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: dknward2 on May 31, 2014, 11:46:11 pm
I think sc saw us as that, get in the prem and keep the money 60 million for finishing last, then all the para payments all into the bank so thats 120 million in about 4 or 5 years, less say was it 60/40/20 million as the figures went down with every new article in the media not a bad return.
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Lytham Rover on May 31, 2014, 11:47:14 pm
Did you believe SC saw us as a "world commercial vehicle"?

No.

Actually I think the correct answer is nobody knows due to the paucity of information and their zealous pursuit of anyone who asked any questions

Unless you were/are SC?
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Sad-Rovers on May 31, 2014, 11:52:26 pm
Did you believe SC saw us as a "world commercial vehicle"?

No.

Actually I think the correct answer is nobody knows due to the paucity of information and their zealous pursuit of anyone who asked any questions

Unless you were/are SC?

I think you'll find the question was:

Quote
Did you believe SC saw us as a "world commercial vehicle"?

I don't believe ANYONE sees DRFC as a potential worldwide brand in the mold of Barcelona or Man U, not even JR.
Title: Re: Rovers not for sale
Post by: Tiddysdad on June 01, 2014, 12:46:35 am
I may just be being sceptical - but could investing in Rovers save LT money?
Football isn't known for making money so could this help his Tax?
If so we are the benefactors if he had the other guys around to run the club.