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Title: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: aidanstu on July 18, 2014, 04:35:03 am
JR said yesterday he is finished with football and he doesn't think he will step in a football ground again. So what now for the outstanding loan and his shares in the club.

There was, as we all know, a report of JR wanting to call in his loan and the club going into administration. I'd this still a possibility and were his reported threats to take his money and force the club into administration the real reason he failed the fit and proper persons test? I'm seriously worried about what the next few weeks have I'm store.
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: PDX_Rover on July 18, 2014, 04:42:18 am
If it came to it, I am sure the loans would be paid to JR, unless John wants to do the same as Terry and Dick and simply writes them off. That would be a classy move.
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: bpoolrover on July 18, 2014, 06:30:09 am
Would be a nice move but not sure jr has quite as much money as them
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: Belle-Vue-Ghost on July 18, 2014, 07:50:10 am
I wouldn't be surprised on bit if he called it in.  Don't think hes as flush as he obviously thinks he is
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: GazLaz on July 18, 2014, 07:54:12 am
Funnily enough if he called it in he would pass the owners test.
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: Belle-Vue-Ghost on July 18, 2014, 07:57:05 am
Don't say that Gaz, that could be the next "big idea"   :suicide:
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: Muttley on July 18, 2014, 08:02:49 am
Funnily enough if he called it in he would pass the owners test.

But it seems that he hasn't necessarily failed the Owners & Directors Test - there is also a requirement for "Future Financial Information" where you have to demonstrate a business plan that will sustain the club going forward.

Obviously the FL weren't convinced with the idea of tapping up schoolgirls for their pocket money either.
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: donnygav93 on July 18, 2014, 09:05:58 am
I personally reckon we should pay him of with the dons super league money (if they get there) we all no how much he loved that investment
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: since-1969 on July 18, 2014, 09:14:02 am
JR said yesterday he is finished with football and he doesn't think he will step in a football ground again. So what now for the outstanding loan and his shares in the club.

There was, as we all know, a report of JR wanting to call in his loan and the club going into administration. I'd this still a possibility and were his reported threats to take his money and force the club into administration the real reason he failed the fit and proper persons test? I'm seriously worried about what the next few weeks have I'm store.
if JR did force the issue it would only
Prove the FA's point the conclusion was correct .
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: Mike_F on July 18, 2014, 11:07:40 am
If JR did call in the loan it would surely put the club into administration and he'd be lucky to get 10p in the pound. I don't think he can afford to write off £3.6m like that.
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: silent majority on July 18, 2014, 11:10:24 am
As part of the FL regulations any loan holders at a football club have to declare that they have no intention of calling in their loans during the forthcoming season.

He'll have to declare one way or the other, if he hasn't already done so.
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: Muttley on July 18, 2014, 12:45:12 pm
If JR did call in the loan it would surely put the club into administration and he'd be lucky to get 10p in the pound. I don't think he can afford to write off £3.6m like that.

Possible that TB/DW could take on JR's loan.
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: Iberian Red on July 18, 2014, 12:47:56 pm
A bit left field, but why doesn't John keep them and invest in the club he loves?
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: PDX_Rover on July 18, 2014, 05:30:08 pm
A bit left field, but why doesn't John keep them and invest in the club he loves?

Outrageous suggestion Cookie.
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: RedRover45 on July 19, 2014, 09:07:18 am
I personally reckon we should pay him of with the dons super league money (if they get there) we all no how much he loved that investment

Only problem with that is that there is no promotion to Super League this season. Promotion doesn't kick in till the end of the 2015 season. Nice thought though...
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: dknward2 on July 19, 2014, 09:49:21 am
So how have london been relegated then ???
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: RedRover45 on July 19, 2014, 11:27:17 am
There are 2 teams relegated, the other is likely to be Bradford. These two, the top nine in the Championship and the winner from Championship 2 will form a 12 team Championship next season, meaning 12 in each of the three divisions. Think how Leigh will feel lol.
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: Sprotyrover on July 19, 2014, 11:40:19 am
A bit left field, but why doesn't John keep them and invest in the club he loves?

Outrageous suggestion Cookie.

I was told that there was going to be no exchange of cash re the takeover, merely the taking on of the clubs debt. £6mill of TB and DW and the £3 mill of JR.
I would have hoped that there would have been some sort of legal agreement to the effect that should the takeover fail JR would not be calling in his loan but would agree for it to be cleared at the rate and in the time limit already agreed.
If that is the case we will see some new faces next week, if there is a likelyhood of JR calling in his loan we will have to wait and see what happens, as the club might have to got into Administration.
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: silent majority on July 19, 2014, 11:45:05 am
There won't be any administration.
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: Not Now Kato on July 19, 2014, 11:48:31 am
There won't be any administration.

Care to expand on that SM?  I do dislike bold statements without substance.
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: Filo on July 19, 2014, 11:49:44 am
There won't be any administration.


I think after recent events and how they've developed over the last few months words are of little comfort at the moment, actions would be a better statement of intent
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: Sprotyrover on July 19, 2014, 11:55:03 am
There won't be any administration.
Glad to here it.
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: silent majority on July 19, 2014, 11:55:38 am
There won't be any administration.

Care to expand on that SM?  I do dislike bold statements without substance.

I'm not sure I can other than to say administration following the failed T/O is not on the cards. TB has issued a statement saying he's happy to be able to take the club forward positively. And he means that.
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: jonnydog on July 19, 2014, 12:05:17 pm
There won't be any administration.
Glad to here it.


HEAR, HEAR!!
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: Not Now Kato on July 19, 2014, 12:05:33 pm
There won't be any administration.

Care to expand on that SM?  I do dislike bold statements without substance.

I'm not sure I can other than to say administration following the failed T/O is not on the cards. TB has issued a statement saying he's happy to be able to take the club forward positively. And he means that.

Thanks SM, that's good enough for me.  :)
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: PDX_Rover on July 20, 2014, 05:35:53 am
A bit left field, but why doesn't John keep them and invest in the club he loves?

Outrageous suggestion Cookie.

I was told that there was going to be no exchange of cash re the takeover, merely the taking on of the clubs debt. £6mill of TB and DW and the £3 mill of JR.
I would have hoped that there would have been some sort of legal agreement to the effect that should the takeover fail JR would not be calling in his loan but would agree for it to be cleared at the rate and in the time limit already agreed.
If that is the case we will see some new faces next week, if there is a likelyhood of JR calling in his loan we will have to wait and see what happens, as the club might have to got into Administration.

Didn't TB and DW say they'd write those debts off for JR, so really it was only the 3m owed to JR?
Title: Re: John Ryan's shares and loan
Post by: since-1969 on July 20, 2014, 07:52:45 am
In think TB &DW's loans were only written off as far as they transfer of shares and sale were concerned. They are probably still in place as far as he Tax man's concerned . JR the same for tax . The obvious gesture of the write off was to help show it that no money was changing hands between them and remove any obstacles to  help the transfer .