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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Canadian Rover on July 30, 2014, 10:26:31 am
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I know Richie has been a class player for us... But I'd quite like to see mdv given a chance this year. Maybe use wellens wages for a couple of younger midfield prospects..... Thoughts anyone?
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He is clearly good but I'm not fussed if he goes and MDV deserves a chance been class is friendlies. If Keegan signs then we will be fine without him
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I'd also go for MDV, Wellens has been a class player for us but for me he's been a little too outspoken recently, seems a little obsessed with money and it's time we and he moved on.
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Wellen's is absolutely different class he's 1 second quicker in his head than most others on the pitch, he absolutely bossed the game against QPR & put Barton in his place. The only thing he's really lacked over the years is goals , There was that screamer against Coventry a few years ago that springs to mind but he always looks to pass instead of shooting that's his only flaw for me. Nice headache to have choosing between him & MDV potentially.
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Wellens is 34 and has chronic injuries. He's over-estimated his own station in the media and it could come back to haunt him.
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Wellens was a class above many midfielders last year IMO. Him in L1 would be frightening, and possibly the best in the league. To say he is ''a little obsessed with money'' is ludicrous. Would you quite happily accept an 80% pay cut and not look for work elsewhere?
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A fit, motivated Wellens would dominate most midfields in this division. Feeding through to copps, Forrester etc and we'll have plenty of creativity going forward. Squad size and 'keepers aside, I think a genuine goal poacher is what we need now.
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I think we should just forget about that Wellens interview. He'd just found out that he wasn't getting a contract to finish off his career at a club he likes with the oppourtunity to go into coaching after on a better wage after being told all summer he will get it and turning down better clubs! He was bound to be pissed off! Cut him a bit of slack. His mistake was taking the interview
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At least he didn't blether on about not getting a birthday cake!
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I think we should just forget about that Wellens interview. He'd just found out that he wasn't getting a contract to finish off his career at a club he likes with the oppourtunity to go into coaching after on a better wage after being told all summer he will get it and turning down better clubs! He was bound to be pissed off! Cut him a bit of slack. His mistake was taking the interview
If he was pissed off, he was pissed off with the wrong people, he should be pissed off with the people that sold him the magic beans!
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I'd lean towards RW if he's fully committed. MDV looks promising and maybe we'll see a central 3 sometimes of those two and Keegan. Good headache to have but I think an on form Wellens would easily be one of the best players in the division.
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Let's hope we can sort something out with wellens he would be the best centre mid in the division, give him husbands wages on top of his reduced wages and offer him a player coach role.
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Let's hope we can sort something out with wellens he would be the best centre mid in the division, give him husbands wages on top of his reduced wages and offer him a player coach role.
That's what he's looking for i think. He's not going to get more than 1 year deal anywhere else. He'll be looking for lower wage but long term security, hopefully we can offer him that
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I think we should just forget about that Wellens interview. He'd just found out that he wasn't getting a contract to finish off his career at a club he likes with the oppourtunity to go into coaching after on a better wage after being told all summer he will get it and turning down better clubs! He was bound to be pissed off! Cut him a bit of slack. His mistake was taking the interview
Agreed D2D, but he is still under contract and needs to remain professional at all times. I was absolutely delighted with the interview with Nathan Tyson yesterday. Compare the outlook of the 2 players.
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I know Richie has been a class player for us... But I'd quite like to see mdv given a chance this year. Maybe use wellens wages for a couple of younger midfield prospects..... Thoughts anyone?
While I agree, we can't "use his wages". He still has a contract with us.
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Spot on, he bosses games for us & hardly ever loses possession, he is still a top top player who would be THE best midfielder in this league, may have spoken out of turn recently but when he produces on the pitch like he can, I don't give a monkey's what he has said.
Wellen's is absolutely different class he's 1 second quicker in his head than most others on the pitch, he absolutely bossed the game against QPR & put Barton in his place. The only thing he's really lacked over the years is goals , There was that screamer against Coventry a few years ago that springs to mind but he always looks to pass instead of shooting that's his only flaw for me. Nice headache to have choosing between him & MDV potentially.
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I think a combination of Wellens vision and passing ability could team up quite well with the ludicrous pace we seem to have up front now.
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I don't understand this release clause .. if triggered surely he becomes a free agent so that the club can get on and replace him .
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I don't understand this release clause .. if triggered surely he becomes a free agent so that the club can get on and replace him .
No. If triggered he becomes signable for another club without paying a fee.
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From what others have stated on here before,I think the confusion might be down to the fact that its not just release clauses involved,the clauses seem to be two way in many cases,and therefore if the player wants to stay the term of his contract after relegation,they have to accept a pay cut,or something along those lines,I suppose It's just these kind of tweeks to contract negotiations that make them seem to drag on when us fans get impatient.
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Any reason why Wellens and De Val couldn't play together? Players with intelligence and a touch of class can find a way.
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Wellens is 34 and has chronic injuries.
Oh aye, and De Val has been injury free and hardly missed a minute over the last year.
Seriously though, if we have too choose between the two, then it's Wellens for me, we cant seriously judge De Val on a couple of pre-season games 12 months apart.
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Wellens is 34 and has chronic injuries.
Oh aye, and De Val has been injury free and hardly missed a minute over the last year.
Seriously though, if we have too choose between the two, then it's Wellens for me, we cant seriously judge De Val on a couple of pre-season games 12 months apart.
He's only had the one injury which was due to a bad tackle
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Wellens is 34 and has chronic injuries.
Oh aye, and De Val has been injury free and hardly missed a minute over the last year.
Seriously though, if we have too choose between the two, then it's Wellens for me, we cant seriously judge De Val on a couple of pre-season games 12 months apart.
He's only had the one injury which was due to a bad tackle
My point was more aimed at Wellens having 'chronic injuries'. He played 36 games last season.
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Wellens' days are numbered. You can't build a team around him, as he'll retire inside 2 years, and an able replacement would be unaffordable. If you want to think medium to long term then it's De Val or A.N.Other.
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I am not convinced the young players improve training with Wellens .. from my reading of his attitude ,based on body language on the field of play ,the content of his interviews .. and the occasional chats with him I have had .I have seen little to assume he has a positive influence on young team mates .
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Wellens is one of a few footballers I think that loves football, loves playing football and actually thinks about the game. I like hearing him being interviewed. Always insightful.
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I know he moans about the huge 80% wage drop and so would any of us, but at end of day he signed the contract. ..
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I know he moans about the huge 80% wage drop and so would any of us, but at end of day he signed the contract. ..
I agree there was always a chance we would have been relegated,if he didnt like it he shouldnt have signed it.
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Maybe it's time these players started to honour the contracts instead of asking for clauses galore.. you sign for 3 years and you stay unless we decide otherwise.
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How about your wages are cut in half at work and you can get a job somewhere else on the same money.
Are you going to stay where you are?
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How about the team got relegated so should be paid less
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How about your wages are cut in half at work and you can get a job somewhere else on the same money.
Are you going to stay where you are?
I wouldn't complain about it if I'd agreed to it
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Wellens had a year to run at Leicester when he negotiated his release to join us so will have got a pay off in respect of contractually agreed future wages due . With us the release clause is less onerous for DRFC and leaves him a free agent to find a job by 31 August.
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How about your wages are cut in half at work and you can get a job somewhere else on the same money.
Are you going to stay where you are?
I wouldn't complain about it if I'd agreed to it
That's the whole point in agreeing to a get out clause.
You agree to it so you can leave and go somewhere else...if you're good enough.
It works both ways as well - as Copps found out.
Don't understand the anti-Wellens feeling when everyone is chuffed Copps looks like staying.
What's the difference between them?
They were both in the same boat - Copps was offered more and Wellens wasn't.
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As I see it there is a BIG difference, JC was out of contract, RW was not.
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It's Quinn who's still in the funny position. Clearly wants to leave, but still no deal anywhere. Guess you can say that on both Wellens and Quinn.
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I know it's fairly unlikely but how do we know he wants to leave? All his tweets could have been aimed at other clubs who had made promises that weren't kept!
He came back late last year but there weren't many, more committed to the cause than he was over the course of the season.
If he's fit enough then get him in on Saturday,
GK A Triallist
Quinn
Jones
McCullough
Evina
Keegan
Copps
De Val/Furman
Forrester
any 2 from Tyson Robinson Main
That doesn't look too bad to me
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I agree it looks a lot better than we thought not so long ago. My only reservation is that it is a big ask for Rob Jones to be playing league football 9 days after his all clear.I would still like to see us sign another experienced CB to play alongside McCullough - Clarke would have been perfect.
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By all accounts he's as fit as a lop, just not been heading the ball
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Raven - I am, just a bit worried about match fitness and reading a game - I hope I am worrying unnecessarily. But then again we always lose at Yeovil so in a way there is nothing much to be lost :rtid:
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Liam Hoden has tweeted that Wellens and Quinn are "both in training but not in plans due to release clauses".
Sounds like a case of hoping for the best but preparing for the worst. Find it odd that they're still here so close to the start of the season though - if another club wants them they're leaving it late, even allowing for the transfer window to the end of August surely they'd want their squads finalised asap...?
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It's certainly ironic that the two players who have been most vocal in the media and on twitter are the two struggling to find clubs.
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How about your wages are cut in half at work and you can get a job somewhere else on the same money.
Are you going to stay where you are?
I wouldn't complain about it if I'd agreed to it
That's the whole point in agreeing to a get out clause.
You agree to it so you can leave and go somewhere else...if you're good enough.
It works both ways as well - as Copps found out.
Don't understand the anti-Wellens feeling when everyone is chuffed Copps looks like staying.
What's the difference between them?
They were both in the same boat - Copps was offered more and Wellens wasn't.
Doh! Yes, If I'd agreed to a large cut in my wages when/if relegation occurs I would not whinge about it if it came to pass.
My anti-Wellens stance is purely down to his unprofessionalism of late which is clearly a desperate mix of "please come and get me" to other clubs and anger at being led up the path by JR over the way things were progressing with the takeover and Wellen's place in the new world.
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The only thing I see wrong with these release clauses is the fact they should expire before pre season starts. Doubt these lads would be moaning about poor wages of they had snapped acls and the club was still paying them. Even on the reduced wages they are likely earning more than most of the people that watch the rovers.