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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: djoftherovers1 on August 01, 2014, 07:03:21 pm
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So then. A week after the club announced that there would be no more annual rebuilding jobs, the reality is that come the end of the season we will only have Coppinger and main currently contracted to drfc.
"We will do away with short term deals", well since then we have offered 1 x 3 year deal, 1 x 2 year deal, numerous 1 year deals, 1 x 3 month and even a jaw dropping 1 month deal..
I'd love to get some feedback from the club explaining why the new policy lasted less than a week.
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Hi,
You're in luck. There is a meet the owners event coming up! Do attend and I am sure your questions will be answered.
In the mean time stay away from sharp objects and stay safe.
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Perhaps the new strategy is an ideal aim to develop long term with the right players at the right time? Maybe the right players for the strategy are not available now on such short time before the season?
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Perhaps the new strategy is an ideal aim to develop long term with the right players at the right time? Maybe the right players for the strategy are not available now on such short time before the season?
Please don't talk so sensibly. Everyone knows this plan should have been implemented within hours of it being officially announced.
(and it was officially announced right? ... )
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Whatever way you look at it, it was a daft statement to make.
Were going to stay away from short term deals, and then immediately sign a number of players on short term deals. Just makes them look silly.
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I am convinced the club could come out with anything and some on here would believe it.
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Can anyone link me to the documentation of this plan in full please? I would like to read it and make my own mind up. People keep referring to it so I am sure it exists somewhere.
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http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=247901.0
Thats the VSC statment. Tbf it does say some player to get 3 year deals.
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The club has to deliver on the pitch if the fans are to get behind this project . To Say that there would be no annual rebuilding is a just wishful thinking . Players will come and go every year just as before and those with value will be cashed in when the bills need paying. Southampton have sold very nearly the entire team from last season and pocketed as huge fortune from home grown and purchases from lower league clubs. Rovers will be at the other end if this scale and if successful players will be poached by clubs like Southampton to help them rebuild their stable . We may never grow to a point where Championship success could be around the next corner. Suck it and see I suppose but it's going to be a long way off before we can consider Rovers as a part of the long term Championship regulars .
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Can anyone link me to the documentation of this plan in full please? I would like to read it and make my own mind up. People keep referring to it so I am sure it exists somewhere.
Quote from Gavin Baldwin:
"The owners have set out a wish to end the process of rebuilding the team on an annual basis and have challenged Paul and I with the task of building a younger squad supported by more experienced professionals to support their development, the squad must be capable of providing success for Doncaster Rovers not just in one season, but over a number of years.
"The budget provided will allow for a balance of bringing in some new faces to bolster the squad, whilst maintaining the core structure of the team and developing our own talent through the youth system.”
Read more at http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/gavin-baldwin-and-paul-dickov-1777244.aspx#Lg7r8JEec4vzbvxH.99
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Nobody ever said all that would be achieved in a fortnight. But any excuse for some to criticise I suppose.
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Nobody ever thought it would happen in a fortnight.
I guess some people just accept anything they are told.
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Nobody ever thought it would happen in a fortnight.
I guess some people just accept anything they are told.
I never accept what I'm told, by the same token I'm never trying to get a situation to suit my personal agenda. Unlike the keyboard warriors who sit patiently waiting for something to criticise.
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Nobody ever thought it would happen in a fortnight.
I guess some people just accept anything they are told.
I never accept what I'm told, by the same token I'm never trying to get a situation to suit my personal agenda. Unlike the keyboard warriors who sit patiently waiting for something to criticise.
Oh really??
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Yes really.
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Martin are you able to shed any light on why Keegan only got a 1 month deal. Just seems a strange deal to me. When Dickov was asked about keegan after the Sheff wed game he said making him captian today should tell you every thing you need to know. A week later he is only give 1 month?
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Why assume that we only want to give a month? Why assume, as some have done on other media outlets that it's because we don't have any money?
Some contracts are much more complicated than that, and at least two, to my knowledge, will take some serious negotiating to ensure that they don't scupper our chances of success this season.
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So your saying the club wanted to give a longer deal?
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I'm saying the club value Keegan. You, and me, will have to wait for negotiations to conclude. It has nothing to do with the club not showing respect to an individual.
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OK cheers.
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I'm saying the club value Keegan. You, and me, will have to wait for negotiations to conclude. It has nothing to do with the club not showing respect to an individual.
It is hard for people though. Granted you have an insight that gives you reassurance on these matters. Most of us only get to see these things at face value and giving a one month contract to one of our important players (who was made captain in the last game) looks odd.
It's encouraging to read your comments on the matter, but I understand the initial reaction in some quarters as (in the absence of the full picture?) I've struggled to comprehend it myself, too. One month contracts are unusual.
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Yes they are Jonathan.
But I find it extraordinary that people make negative assumptions as an immediate response, even as far as to tweet how the club are a joke. Wow, it's just a situation that suits both parties at this moment in time.
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Yes they are Jonathan.
But I find it extraordinary that people make negative assumptions as an immediate response, even as far as to tweet how the club are a joke. Wow, it's just a situation that suits both parties at this moment in time.
Points taken, and I accept the club are fire fighting a bit at the moment after a farcical summer. I've not seen the tweets in question and don't agree that anyone or anything is 'a joke,' but the season starts a week tomorrow and, notwithstanding the reasons why (which have been done to death), we're in a far from ideal situation.
I'm tired of the budget, I've never known the budget before and I don't want or expect to know now, as a fan I just want to see action. We've made very good progress on that front this week given where we were at the start of it, but I have found the structuring of a few of today's deals confusing.
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Yep, me too. But without being a part of all the discussions then we will never understand all the reasons behind what is happening. But to adopt a default position of 'we're a joke' is an insult to the people involved in all the negotiations and transactions.
What we can accept is that Gavin is, by FL standards, an exceptional CEO, that TB is an owner with incredible insight (and I'm expecting much more form him) and the guy structuring the deals will be our Club secretary Phil Hough who has an excellent reputation throughout the game.
The summer has been a nightmare for us as supporters, even worse for the staff involved, but we will get there, of that I'm confident.
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It's not about individuals.
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It's not about individuals.
Now don't start misquoting will you James, there's a good lad.
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I've not quoted anyone old timer. It's my opinion. The club is about more than the three you've named
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Yep, me too. But without being a part of all the discussions then we will never understand all the reasons behind what is happening. But to adopt a default position of 'we're a joke' is an insult to the people involved in all the negotiations and transactions.
What we can accept is that Gavin is, by FL standards, an exceptional CEO, that TB is an owner with incredible insight (and I'm expecting much more form him) and the guy structuring the deals will be our Club secretary Phil Hough who has an excellent reputation throughout the game.
The summer has been a nightmare for us as supporters, even worse for the staff involved, but we will get there, of that I'm confident.
Exactly we won't, but it looks more and more as if we are being streamlined for another take over bid.
Terry is a very very astute businessman, and Gavin is an exceptional CEO don't know about Phil so I won't comment
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I should have said insinuating then James.
But I never said it was about those three, I was, if you cared to pay attention, talking about the negotiation of individual contracts and that does involve those I mentioned.
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Yep, me too. But without being a part of all the discussions then we will never understand all the reasons behind what is happening. But to adopt a default position of 'we're a joke' is an insult to the people involved in all the negotiations and transactions.
What we can accept is that Gavin is, by FL standards, an exceptional CEO, that TB is an owner with incredible insight (and I'm expecting much more form him) and the guy structuring the deals will be our Club secretary Phil Hough who has an excellent reputation throughout the game.
The summer has been a nightmare for us as supporters, even worse for the staff involved, but we will get there, of that I'm confident.
Exactly we won't, but it looks more and more as if we are being streamlined for another take over bid.
Terry is a very very astute businessman, and Gavin is an exceptional CEO don't know about Phil so I won't comment
Streamlined for another takeover bid? No chance.
But finally getting this club in a fit and proper state? I would say definitely.
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Come on, we've all had a drink..
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football clubs don't work to a fit and proper state ;)
No Chance? opinions!!!
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I should have said insinuating then James.
But I never said it was about those three, I was, if you cared to pay attention, talking about the negotiation of individual contracts and that does involve those I mentioned.
Are you feeling alright? I've stated the club is about more than 3 people. If you want to prattle on about negotiations, good for you. It's not all about you Martin.
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I was exchanging posts with Jonatan about contract negotiations until you butted in. Therefore my comments remain correct.
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Can you butt in on a public forum? I'm not sure you can.
Anyway, good night Martin.x
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I'm sure you can James.
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Simple answer to this discussion....if "budget" refers only to players wages, 60% of turnover is the magic figure.
Anybody wanting to spend more has to increase turnover by £10 for every £6 going out on wages...so any big ideas to boost income would be very helpful.
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make us who ues the page pay for in
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Eh?
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No, I'm out.
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Simple answer to this discussion....if "budget" refers only to players wages, 60% of turnover is the magic figure.
Anybody wanting to spend more has to increase turnover by £10 for every £6 going out on wages...so any big ideas to boost income would be very helpful.
Strikes me that this has been the elephant in the room for the last few months.
I wonder how JR was planning to get around this particular stipulation? I don't suppose we'll ever know now.
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Simple answer to this discussion....if "budget" refers only to players wages, 60% of turnover is the magic figure.
Anybody wanting to spend more has to increase turnover by £10 for every £6 going out on wages...so any big ideas to boost income would be very helpful.
Strikes me that this has been the elephant in the room for the last few months.
I wonder how JR was planning to get around this particular stipulation? I don't suppose we'll ever know now.
it's kind of ironic that some fans who insist on going away games, and most paying on the day, also refuse to go to the keepmoat because of lack of atmosphere, or whatever, which ultimately reduces ticket sales and club income. here's a sarcastic AOK for those fans :aok:
:headbang:
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If I don't enjoy something, and its relatively expensive, then I tend to think "I'm not doing that anymore". I don't think "I''ll keep paying it because I'm worried about their margins".
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Simple answer to this discussion....if "budget" refers only to players wages, 60% of turnover is the magic figure.
Anybody wanting to spend more has to increase turnover by £10 for every £6 going out on wages...so any big ideas to boost income would be very helpful.
Which just goes to show just how unbalanced the football game is now . Generally in business the payroll is somewhere between 9-15% !
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If I don't enjoy something, and its relatively expensive, then I tend to think "I'm not doing that anymore". I don't think "I''ll keep paying it because I'm worried about their margins".
Fair enough. But maybe don't then criticise the club for not spending money or having small crowds.
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Time you said summat positive BigCol......it must be fun in your house NOT . You sound just like the old fella in Steptoe & Son......Haarroold.
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Some contracts are much more complicated than that, and at least two, to my knowledge, will take some serious negotiating to ensure that they don't scupper our chances of success this season.
Fascinating. I wonder if those two involve Quinn and Wellens?
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Simple answer to this discussion....if "budget" refers only to players wages, 60% of turnover is the magic figure.
Anybody wanting to spend more has to increase turnover by £10 for every £6 going out on wages...so any big ideas to boost income would be very helpful.
Which just goes to show just how unbalanced the football game is now . Generally in business the payroll is somewhere between 9-15% !
I suppose the players are both the staff and the product
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If I don't enjoy something, and its relatively expensive, then I tend to think "I'm not doing that anymore". I don't think "I''ll keep paying it because I'm worried about their margins".
Fair enough. But maybe don't then criticise the club for not spending money or having small crowds.
On that we agree Robert.
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Time you said summat positive BigCol......it must be fun in your house NOT . You sound just like the old fella in Steptoe & Son......Haarroold.
Hoola, I'll say something positive if you can manage 20 posts without arbitrarily capitalising single words.