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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: RedArmy on August 30, 2014, 05:03:25 pm
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Don't rate Steer in the slightest, not crictising him, he doesn't do what a keeper should - Command his area, set peice after set peice we concede from.
Unfortunately weather we like it or not we have seen the best from Rob Jones.. He's not the player he was 2 years ago, the little pace he has then has now completely gone.
Also be surprised to see Wellens stay now he's just witnessed that.
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Rob Jones has never been that good anyway, overrated by our fans.
Not sure on Steer but could we do better? Doubt it.
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Jones wasn't even our best centre half when we got promoted.
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Rob Jones has never been that good anyway, overrated by our fans.
Not sure on Steer but could we do better? Doubt it.
Ben Williams was better than Steer
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They were all garbage! Another Saturday ruined, I'm starting to think my lad is the jinx
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I didnt go today cos I feel I had to give Rovers a chance as I ve not seen a win in ages at Keepmoat and thought I might be a bad omen . but dont think its my fault. Just dont understand what happens at home but we have to break this record asap. The crowds wont come to home matches where theres no effort. :headbang:
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Crowd today was poor. One shot on target( according to BBC) will be into the 5 thousands next home game.
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Said all along Jones isn't good enough. Starting to really dislike watching him hesd the f****** thing out of play. I agreed with the line up as it was fair to keep the same team however after watching that, you just can't be fair in football if you want to be successful. The only positive from today was Forrester, he is such a positive and intelligent footballer.
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Every single player today was a disgrace to the shirt. Arguably the worst performance seen at the Keepmoat. Absolute and unmitigated rubbish.
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Our two f backs were poor.we never seem to run forward with the ball.there players were giving us no space due to our slow distribution.could not see where a goal was coming from.our tactics were abysmal.keegan looked as though not interested.took two newcomers today they were not impressed. :thumbdown:
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Port vale was worse!
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Thought Wellens looked ok, little rusty mind.
Forrester looked lively. But Robinson looked ineffective.
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All Robinson has got is pace. But then so has a greyhound and is probable as good a footballer as Robinson is.
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Barring Wabara's clever run behind in the first half I'm struggling to think of any decent openings that weren't shots from outside the box.
Going to give a bit of praise to Steer after I criticised him for the Watford goal, he did make two excellent saves today.
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Keegan what a waste of a 3 year contract
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How Jones got the MOTM today is beyond me, I thought the performance against PV was poor but that capped even that display
COYR
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Obviously his name got drawn out of the hat.
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Sitting in the south west corner for a good while now and can't count the number of soft goals I've seen the opposition score with often poorly taken corners early on in the game. We often respond and play well but giving them a head start makes it difficult to break them down. Agree about jones just doesn't seem to have the presence he once had. He has been great for us but maybe his playing days are coming to an end but he would have a lot to offer off the field and in the dressing room.
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Beaten by a far better team. Simple as that. They pressed us and made our players look like they were playing with a time-bomb, nobody wanted the ball, whilst they all looked to have time when they had it.
That left us knocking it around the back four until somebody could work space to lump it forward which was meat and drink for the Oldham defenders, we won nothing from it all day.
Shows how poor we were, for all the lousy decisions the officials gave against us today nobody's mentioned them once yet.
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Everyone was poor today. He picked the wrong team from the start. Wellens and Forrester are our best players, they should have started.
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That's a hindsight opinion I'm afraid Gaz. The consensus on here before today was that they needed to wait for the chance and then earn the shirt.
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Everyone was poor today. He picked the wrong team from the start. Wellens and Forrester are our best players, they should have started.
It was only other day you said Wellens won't start PD is a better manager than that, he will probs start the next game but I think he was right not to start Wellens today.
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If wellens and forrester had started and we had lost people would say they should have earned the shirt not walked straight back in,saying that I would have started them both aswell
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He realised he had f**ked up when he made a triple substitution after 55 minutes. Problem was that we got worse rather than better. Bar the excellent shot from Forrester the XI who played from minute 56 onwards started absolutely hopeless and got far worse. Dreadful.
Others have said this but they need repeating. We looked like we didn't want it and our ONLY tactic was to absolutely hammer the ball up front as much as possible for Tyson or Robinson to run on to.
Absolutely piss poor. Sunday league standard and Sunday league tactics.
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So in what way was that to do with Steer, the defense was shit for the first
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Roobinson's first touch lets him down. He has pace to chase through balls but most things today were long balls and far too high. We let visiting teams dictate play and we always seem to be on back foot. They should have scored 5 today with better finishing.
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Also agree about Jones. Headers when not under pressure were going straight to them and under challenge he was getting beat. Everyone around him looked shaky. That starting XI should have been better than that.
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You can't blame Dickov for not playing wellens and forrester when everyone on here thought we should stick with the same team
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Everyone was poor today. He picked the wrong team from the start. Wellens and Forrester are our best players, they should have started.
It was only other day you said Wellens won't start PD is a better manager than that, he will probs start the next game but I think he was right not to start Wellens today.
I had a rethink since then. After the Watford exploits and lack of home win yet I would have played them both for Furman and Bennett. We were worse after he changed the formation in the second half. Credit to a Oldham they deserved the points though.
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When Ritchie receives a pass he already knows where his teammates are and plays the pass to best effect.
When Keegan gets the ball, he stands still for five seconds looking around for someone to pass too, by which time the players breaking down the flanks have to pull up to avoid being offside , and have been spotted by the opposing defence. They then intercept the telegraphed pass, and start their own attack! He might be able to tackle but his passing is p**s poor!
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Most who won against Watford earned the chance to play today,trouble is none of them took it,nobody in the first eleven today could complain if they are on the bench next game.
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Everyone was poor today. He picked the wrong team from the start. Wellens and Forrester are our best players, they should have started.
It was only other day you said Wellens won't start PD is a better manager than that, he will probs start the next game but I think he was right not to start Wellens today.
I had a rethink since then. After the Watford exploits and lack of home win yet I would have played them both for Furman and Bennett. We were worse after he changed the formation in the second half. Credit to a Oldham they deserved the points though.
Hindsight. Handy isn't it?
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Embarrassing yourselves saying you'd have changed the team. When a few days ago Dickov would've been an idiot to change the team.
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We don't have a big enough squad too put 11 players out on the bench and I would say a lot off them know it
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Why would anyone change the team after two excellent victories??
Unbelievable
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I thought Steer made two fantastic saves to keep Rovers in it. My one criticism is, he doesn't command his area and you can see the defenders have no confidence in him coming to get it.
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I'd disagree 1879 - I think Steer does command his box quite well. Looking at the goals today - the peno obviously not his fault, and the goal mouth scramble resulting in a goal from 3 yards can't be his fault. He was getting blocked at every set piece today and got no protection from the ref, who I thought was very poor today, letting their players bully us all game yet giving them free kicks for less.
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When Ritchie receives a pass he already knows where his teammates are and plays the pass to best effect.
When Keegan gets the ball, he stands still for five seconds looking around for someone to pass too, by which time the players breaking down the flanks have to pull up to avoid being offside , and have been spotted by the opposing defence. They then intercept the telegraphed pass, and start their own attack! He might be able to tackle but his passing is p**s poor!
Would that be the same Ritchie who's pass was intercepted and led to an Oldham counter attack that culminated in a goal line clearance?
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Embarrassing yourselves saying you'd have changed the team. When a few days ago Dickov would've been an idiot to change the team.
People can change their mind, you know.
I was of the same opinion after 20 minutes yesterday, and I was calling for no changes too. I'd have made the subs at half time. And Keegan would have been off. Every time he got the ball he robbed any impetus out of the move. Far too ponderous.
The full backs were a huge disappointment yesterday for me. Aimless hooks of balls into midfield. Whatever happened to ball retention as a means to control the game? Hot potato springs to mind.
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I'd disagree 1879 - I think Steer does command his box quite well. Looking at the goals today - the peno obviously not his fault, and the goal mouth scramble resulting in a goal from 3 yards can't be his fault. He was getting blocked at every set piece today and got no protection from the ref, who I thought was very poor today, letting their players bully us all game yet giving them free kicks for less.
Exactly the same with Port Vale
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Wellens/Keegan Forrester/Bennett should have been done after 20 minutes, ok the manager was maybe giving them a chance, but you have to be ruthless, it was plain to see it wasn't working. He even gave them 10 minutes of the 2nd to remedy something they couldn't do in first 45, awful decision in my opinion.
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Spot on Les. The subs should have happened sooner. And then when we did make them, we conceded the penalty within 60 seconds.
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Agree. Should have made 2 subs at half time. 3 at once appears to be an act of desperation and is very risky. Between Dickov, Horton and Butler it takes so long from discussing subs to getting them on the pitch.
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Not very smart using all three subs with still a third of the game to go. Only takes somebody to get clattered like happened to Jones and you finish up down to ten men without taking a red card.
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For me, Forrester for Furman should have been done at HT, people are slating Keegan for slowing things down, but that was his job, break play up and give the ball to a more creative player. If anything Furman slowed things down in the more advanced position. After that substitution I'd have given it 20 minutes and if we were still struggling Wellens for Keegan would have been the next change, leaving the final substitution for the last 10 minutes.
Also I wouldn't have changed the defence that did so well in the previous games to accommodate Jones.
Steer doesn't fill me with confidence either, he gets bullied at corners and appears indecisive at set pieces, maybe we've been spoilt over the previous season with Turnbull and Johnstone
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Spot on Les. The subs should have happened sooner. And then when we did make them, we conceded the penalty within 60 seconds.
I'd argue that we probably conceded BECAUSE we made the subs all at the same time. They were still working out who was playing where.
Forrester should have been on at half time, either for Furman or Keegan.
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Every team we play are targeting Steer at set plays, thus meaning we are having to put a player there to help him. Needs to get tougher. Teams see him as are weak link imo. Good shot stopper though.
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Rob jones has never been over rated by me , I've always called him Steptoes cart horse
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Rob Jones aka Hercules yes I can see why you call him steptoes cart horse :whistle:
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He's been a great player for us but he is starting to show he's past his best im afraid...This will be his final season and im not sure how much he's going to figure..
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I'd disagree 1879 - I think Steer does command his box quite well. Looking at the goals today - the peno obviously not his fault, and the goal mouth scramble resulting in a goal from 3 yards can't be his fault. He was getting blocked at every set piece today and got no protection from the ref, who I thought was very poor today, letting their players bully us all game yet giving them free kicks for less.
How many times on Saturday did Jones, Evina and McCullough have to take responsibility because Steer was dithering. Usually meant the ball was being smashed anywhere.
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The Jed Steer situation is starting to have echoes of Gary Wood,when week after week he was picked and the manager didn't make the big decision that needed to be made early.
But we got away with it,when finally Sully,though well past his best was brought in,and it settled things down,lacking understanding with the defence i can understand,but he is making the wrong decisions at the wrong time,the defence has no confidence in him,he is flapping at crosses,his positioning isn't good,nothing special at shot stopping.
Sometimes you have to admit you have got the wrong guy,Steer is not a good goalkeeper,Paul has a decision to make for me,i would send him back,and look for another keeper with Marosi backing him up,may be too early to throw him in to the team yet.
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From what I've seen so far, Steer is terrible at commanding his box, but is a decent enough shot stopper. Jones is a threat at set pieces and that is possibly about it, I said after Saturday's game that I think we are weaker with Jones in the team! Just my opinion of course! I don't think you can really comment on Wellens yet, don't get me wrong he's a fans' favourite and brings something to the team, especially in League 1, but it's the same situation as the Paul Quinn situation - get him out if he doesn't want to play!
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When Ritchie receives a pass he already knows where his teammates are and plays the pass to best effect.
When Keegan gets the ball, he stands still for five seconds looking around for someone to pass too, by which time the players breaking down the flanks have to pull up to avoid being offside , and have been spotted by the opposing defence. They then intercept the telegraphed pass, and start their own attack! He might be able to tackle but his passing is p**s poor!
This is what I was saying last week in response to his 3 year contract. I don't understand it. I think he fits well into away match set ups where we need a player of his type, but certainly not good enough all round to be starting home games that we should be controlling. Also, nowhere near good enough for the championship, so I was baffled as to why we offered 3 years. He must have a world class agent to have managed that.
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If wellens and forrester had started and we had lost people would say they should have earned the shirt not walked straight back in,saying that I would have started them both aswell
To be honest, i was astonished that nether Forrester or Wellens started - they are two of our class acts. The difference was obvious the minute they got onto the pitch.
No sentiment in football; best team on the pitch from the start and you can withdraw if tiredness kicks in.
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I was working on Saturday so can't comment on that game in particular. But anyone who has read any of my posts about Keegan will have noted I've always said that Keegan is not a footballer. Every single time he gets the ball the impetus of any attack is lost. He cannot/refuses to put any pace into the game, and is incapable of passing the ball forward, it's always backwards. I even suggested he take up rugby.
So now people are saying that as soon as he gets the ball he needs to pass it to someone who can pick out a pass, or words to that effect. In other words, he can't pass the ball himself.
I'm more than baffled how we've gone from a one month contract (if Wellens stayed) to a three year contract in one huge jump. For a player of his ability, one year would have been more than enough. Unless we're paying him peanuts of course so we're not spending too much on him.
If Wellens is match fit (and presumably has signed a new contract) he has to come in for Keegan. It's a no brainer
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Wellens won't come in for keegan, keegan is in the side to break up play and give the ball to better players.
There have been many players like this in top sides over the years, it's a hard player to recruit cause not many players like to admit they are in the side to win it and give it to a better player, but keegan does that well.
When he looks poor is when he tries himself to do good things with the ball.
I would imagine he's one of the first names on the team sheet
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Embarrassing yourselves saying you'd have changed the team. When a few days ago Dickov would've been an idiot to change the team.
People are entitled to change their mind. I changed mine. I walked into the ground on Saturday and looked at the team sheet and it just wasn't right. We are not good enough to keep players like that on the bench. Starting them probably wouldn't have changed the result either but they will both start next week. Why wait to be defeated before changing things? You've got to be proactive. Playing the same team every week is a bit 1990s.
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He'll be one of the first players on the team sheet now: he's got a three year contract. Not playing him now would mean someone admitting they've made a mistake.
Sorry, don't rate him, never have. Yes, I'm in the minority, I know that. If he was more adaptable and could play any other role it wouldn't be so bad, but he's a one trick donkey, sorry pony, and not a very good one at that. My opinion obviously
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It's not just now though is it,,, Dickov has always played him as did Saunders...
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He'll be one of the first players on the team sheet now: he's got a three year contract. Not playing him now would mean someone admitting they've made a mistake.
Sorry, don't rate him, never have. Yes, I'm in the minority, I know that. If he was more adaptable and could play any other role it wouldn't be so bad, but he's a one trick donkey, sorry pony, and not a very good one at that. My opinion obviously
Im with you on this. Always thought the same. As I said, good player to have in for away games, but our current home form has not been good enough and its no coincidence that we look like the away team at the moment, partly due to his playing style and of course due to no one else grabbing the game by the creative, scruff of the neck.