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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: redbrez on April 15, 2015, 04:11:25 pm
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Was just thinking , with hopefully Jones being fit all season we could have two defenders that could possibly get near 10 goals a full season so would it be wise to scout for a player with the crossing and dead ball ability of Cotterill?
And even better scout for a striker that can actually head a ball too, main , Tyson and Robinson are all incapable , and more frustrating sometimes don't even challenge.
And after speaking to some of the players they all hate playing on our surface, is this the main problem with are home form? Remember it's not just this season we have been shocking at home.
Think we have enough quality in our squad , we just need to scout what I class has affective players , ie a Cotterill like player .
I think if we tie down the players we want we , only need a few more players to be challenging ?
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The best thing would be to let Jones pair up
With a new manager and show PD the door .
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The best thing would be to let Jones pair up
With a new manager and show PD the door .
Shut up FFS, it's getting very boring now.
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I'm sorry but Jones just isn't good enough anymore and one goal last night doesn't change that, we shouldn't be recruiting based on having someone who is tall to get a head on dead ball deliveries.
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How opinions can vary . I was just thinking , based on last night's game , how much we have missed the leadership in defense of Jones . For the first time in ages I didn't fear the opposition at corners nor when they had free kicks into our penalty area .
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Nothing to do with his goal, it's the number if headers he wins in our box I'm more bothered about.
He's still good enough for this league, but we do need a younger version, to replace him in the not too distant future
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How opinions can vary . I was just thinking , based on last night's game , how much we have missed the leadership in defense of Jones . For the first time in ages I didn't fear the opposition at corners nor when they had free kicks into our penalty area .
I think what we gain with having him in the team when it comes to set pieces we lose from having a more agile player in open play. We kept a clean sheet last night because Orient were poor upfront and Bywater was in fine form, the amount of times we were cut open was worrying.
Yes he is a leader, but we need more than just that unless we want to be a run of the mill League One side. If we settle for sentiment we'll go backwards not forwards.
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Having watched the highlights of the Orient game, I thought the defending at times was poor and a better side would punish us. Therefore, better defenders are needed next season along with a creative midfielder or two and a striker that can be relied on to find the back of the net on a semi-regular/regular. That said not much needs changing 😉
COYR
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On the point that redbrez makes about our players not liking to play on the KM pitch, how i agree with that.
Since the rugby season started the pitch has become really poor.
The ball bobbles all the time, thus hindering the one touch stuff that our players are encouraged to do.
Send the Dons to play at Castle Park where a crowd of 800 is more commonplace.
Why do they need to play at the KM anyway?
Rugby is a game where the ball is carried but is seriously fooks up the football pitch.
Then send the Eagles back to Sheffield.
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sorry but the pitch same for both sides and wth us playing on it lot more than our opponents can't believe that excuse
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Swansea manage a decent passing game with a rugby team playing all winter on their pitch, and Bristol C haven't done so bad with another one playing there.
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On the point that redbrez makes about our players not liking to play on the KM pitch, how i agree with that.
Since the rugby season started the pitch has become really poor.
The ball bobbles all the time, thus hindering the one touch stuff that our players are encouraged to do.
Send the Dons to play at Castle Park where a crowd of 800 is more commonplace.
Why do they need to play at the KM anyway?
Rugby is a game where the ball is carried but is seriously fooks up the football pitch.
Then send the Eagles back to Sheffield.
How many more times are we going to have this discussion.
Firstly the rugby team do less damage to the pitch than footballers.
Secondly, it is not a football pitch, it is a sports pitch.
Thirdly, the Dons have as much right to be on it as the Rovers. It is a community stadium.
Not sure if you're on a wind up, but I am getting seriously pissed off with the b*llocks people put on here.
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We would not have the Keepmoat Stadium if it wasn't a shared asset.
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On the point that redbrez makes about our players not liking to play on the KM pitch, how i agree with that.
Since the rugby season started the pitch has become really poor.
The ball bobbles all the time, thus hindering the one touch stuff that our players are encouraged to do.
Send the Dons to play at Castle Park where a crowd of 800 is more commonplace.
Why do they need to play at the KM anyway?
Rugby is a game where the ball is carried but is seriously fooks up the football pitch.
Then send the Eagles back to Sheffield.
How many more times are we going to have this discussion.
Firstly the rugby team do less damage to the pitch than footballers.
Secondly, it is not a football pitch, it is a sports pitch.
Thirdly, the Dons have as much right to be on it as the Rovers. It is a community stadium.
Not sure if you're on a wind up, but I am getting seriously pissed off with the b*llocks people put on here.
Nothing against the Dons, but i have never understood why the athletics area hasn't been developed into a stadium of they're own, it would be ideal they get less fans than we do, it would be more intimidating if they could build small stands around it.
I know they have as much right to use the keepmoat as us, but it would be the ideal solution in so many ways, the problem is who would pay to put stands around it?.
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And we were in scintilating form at home before the the rugby season
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I'm sorry but Jones just isn't good enough anymore and one goal last night doesn't change that, we shouldn't be recruiting based on having someone who is tall to get a head on dead ball deliveries.
Jones is more than good enough. No one beats the corporal
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Can it be a coincidence then that in the last seven games we played before the first Dons home game we won 4,drew 2 and lost one.
Since the Dons first home game we have won 1, drawn 1 and lost 4.
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We haven't had a harsh winter and no one can deny that the rugby has had a detrimental effect on the playing surface
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Thats two of us apparently talking ballax then filo.
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When did keegan get injured was that when the dons started if so thats the more likely answer
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I'd like to hear more details of what it is the players say is the problem. Can you gve any more details redbrez?
And back on topic, I think Jones has his weaknesses, but his strengths, especially in leadership, make up for it. If we are to go on without him being featured, then forget about positions we need strengthening, we need a leader with a never say die heart that can carry the team in all situations. It is the main thing we've been missing this season.
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I'd like to hear more details of what it is the players say is the problem. Can you gve any more details redbrez?
And back on topic, I think Jones has his weaknesses, but his strengths, especially in leadership, make up for it. If we are to go on without him being featured, then forget about positions we need strengthening, we need a leader with a never say die heart that can carry the team in all situations. It is the main thing we've been missing this season.
The pitch is far too hard and hence very bobbly. It's a "career shortener".
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On the point that redbrez makes about our players not liking to play on the KM pitch, how i agree with that.
Since the rugby season started the pitch has become really poor.
The ball bobbles all the time, thus hindering the one touch stuff that our players are encouraged to do.
Send the Dons to play at Castle Park where a crowd of 800 is more commonplace.
Why do they need to play at the KM anyway?
Rugby is a game where the ball is carried but is seriously fooks up the football pitch.
Then send the Eagles back to Sheffield.
How many more times are we going to have this discussion.
Firstly the rugby team do less damage to the pitch than footballers.
Secondly, it is not a football pitch, it is a sports pitch.
Thirdly, the Dons have as much right to be on it as the Rovers. It is a community stadium.
Not sure if you're on a wind up, but I am getting seriously pissed off with the b*llocks people put on here.
Nothing against the Dons, but i have never understood why the athletics area hasn't been developed into a stadium of they're own, it would be ideal they get less fans than we do, it would be more intimidating if they could build small stands around it.
I know they have as much right to use the keepmoat as us, but it would be the ideal solution in so many ways, the problem is who would pay to put stands around it?.
That stadium is now under the stewardship of the athletics club, not DRFC.
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Thats two of us apparently talking ballax then filo.
Correct
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Make that three then lads.
RedRover45 when are you going to stop peddling this bollox about rugby being less damaging than football? There are more feet on the pitch with largely heavier bodies above and using it in a way that churns up the turf far more. You only need to look at the areas that are most damaged to know what causes it.
By the way, I'm not arguing that the Rovers have more right to play at the KM, but it boils my piss when I hear people spouting what is patently nonsense just to further their agenda.
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Make that three then lads.
RedRover45 when are you going to stop peddling this bollox about rugby being less damaging than football? There are more feet on the pitch with largely heavier bodies above and using it in a way that churns up the turf far more. You only need to look at the areas that are most damaged to know what causes it.
By the way, I'm not arguing that the Rovers have more right to play at the KM, but it boils my piss when I hear people spouting what is patently nonsense just to further their agenda.
I have no agenda whatsoever mate. I just happen to be one of the few people who follow both the Rovers and the Dons and it makes my piss boil that people just jump on a bandwagon and slag one team off, when for the good of the town we are all from, surely it would be better to support both, not even in an active way.
The issue with rugby is that there is not a concentrated area of the field that is affected, it is widespread therefore diluted in any adverse effect.
However, football has concentrated areas of the field that sustain damage due to excessive wear and tear, ie, goal lines, penalty areas, corner flags, etc. don't just take my word for it, look for yourself the next time you're in the stadium, or alternatively ask the ground staff to get the facts.
So yes, that does make three of you spouting bollox. Hope that clears it up for you.
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The pitch should be much better with the Dons playing on it. THEYRE SHITE!!
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Can it be a coincidence then that in the last seven games we played before the first Dons home game we won 4,drew 2 and lost one.
Since the Dons first home game we have won 1, drawn 1 and lost 4.
Not necessarily coincidence, but there are too many different variables to make that the sole reason.
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The Dons are tenants of the stadium get over it.
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What was our record before the dons?Pretty krap Id imagine? :aok:
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The pitch is far too hard and hence very bobbly. It's a "career shortener".
This sounds like the most likely reason to me. Is having normal turf in the stadium a non starter? I know it's not great for hosting concerts - maybe there is a half way option - less artificial woven fibres, less sand, thicker layer of turf.
Alternatively, get radical and redig the pitch area, put in loads of ashes for the drainaghe, as was at Belle Vue, and get someone in who can care for it. Concerts only in summer.
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Didn't the dons play at Belle Vue when they left Tattersfield? Pretty sure the Belle Vue pitch was highly regarded...
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I can recommend a top quality groundsman who's worked at Headingley and the Melbourne Cricket Ground who is well used to producing quality playing surfaces..... :)
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I am not a groundsman, but being a supporter i have heard many say the pitch isn't right and that was before the rugby lads played on it.
Since we moved into the stadium it hasn't been quite right, we have good people i would think working hard on it day after day, but it doesn't improve.
The problem is to the eye it doesn't look that bad i have seen worse, and i am sure it would be very expensive to correct, if we were promoted maybe the board would look at it, or if our town really got behind the team and the money coming in was larger.
But it doesn't matter what other side's charge for games we live in an area though it has good areas, on the whole isn't a well off area, cut the price down to fifteen quid for every game, don't waste time on offers every now and then.
If there is a reasonable price and supporters know week in week out that is the price then maybe we might get bigger numbers watching, and the pitch can be sorted out.
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Can it be a coincidence then that in the last seven games we played before the first Dons home game we won 4,drew 2 and lost one.
Since the Dons first home game we have won 1, drawn 1 and lost 4.
So nothing to do with the teams we were playing, lower end before Dons upper end after Dons? Strange that!
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Considering that we have been inconsistent whether playing against teams above us or below us it doesn't really come into the equation either.
There is no doubt that the pitch has deteriorated since the rugby team began their fixtures despite claims of boiling piss in certain quarters.
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Ravenrover, if you look at the six games that i mentioned AFTER the Dons started you will find that three of the teams were above us at the time we played them and three were below us.
Sorry to pee on your bonfire (i suppose that might boil now as well).
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Ravenrover, if you look at the six games that i mentioned AFTER the Dons started you will find that three of the teams were above us at the time we played them and three were below us.
Sorry to pee on your bonfire (i suppose that might boil now as well).
Seeing as you won't listen to a word you're told, what's your excuse for all the shit Rovers performances in the 5 months before the Dons season even started.
Just another convenient load of bollox to justify your theory why the Rovers didn't win the league by 20 points ?
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REd
I can tell you that you are wasting your time arguing with hound, I gave up on JA606, he is always right, you will get to know. BUT on the subject it matters who Donny has played above or below they have been utter rubbish at home. Now if you count the extra games played on the pitch by The Belles, Dons Eagles or who ever it really does not equate because The Keepmoat was built as a Community Stadium and the pitch was intended for maximum use, including concerts. In the early days it was considered for floodlit cricket so I suppose the ones who designed it will really not bother what any of us say.
If you can't play football on something flat and green then it is time to give up and whats more, I bet there is not many on this site that did not learn their skills on a road or learn tricks with a ball at the side of a house somewhere - usually on council estates. I know one estate for certain at Dunscroft that saw more FA Cup Finals. Ashes Series and Wimbledons than a lot.
Will it matter come 14 days time any way?
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I can recommend a top quality groundsman who's worked at Headingley and the Melbourne Cricket Ground who is well used to producing quality playing surfaces..... :)
You is agent Rev, on a commission?
COYR
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Bally, i wondered how long it would be before you had a go at me again.
Have you noticed that almost everyone has quit DRFC 606 board because they are fed up to the teeth with moaners, which is why i quit that site.
At least on here there is a more equal split of opinion.
Not everyone follows like sheep when someone says something aginst the club or the manager ( or a player in the case of Curtis Main).
I am glad to see that the VSC site has many true supporters who will back the club through thick and thin and not complain for the sake of it.
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I am not "Having a go at you" stop being such a child, You have already upset those members above. I am merely attempting to stop such childish arguments between supporters of the club there is no need for it. Yes I quit that site too because of what was going on,
If you want me to vacate this one just tell me and I am gone. Not a problem I have paid my money for the year then I can keep it in pocket.
If you cannot accept that you and I have different views which I see you did not argue against then that is your problem, if you want to have a go at me then that is your problem too.
Que Serra Serra
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Good grief bally, you really are a sad case.
It is a bit rich, you telling people "he is never wrong" about me.
Think back to a few years ago when you were saying vehemently, on 606, that the police had done nothing wrong at Hillsborough.
Look at what has since come out!!
Do me a favour and don't post responses to my posts and then you wont have to get wound up will you?
I have found that most posters on this forum are level headed and prepared to understand each others point of view.
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Then you think back a year or so when you said that "All that lot on VSC talk a lot of crap" I have enjoyed the banter on this site but how long would it be till you came on??? Did not get your own way on 606 threw the teddy out and you were the biggest problem on it, you come on here and straight away your bias against Rugby and the "Piss" you talk about. Just give up. Have a good day graham
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This is my last response TO YOU.
If you can, find, copy and paste the alleged "that lot on VSC talk a load of crap " comment you say i made.
You will have to look hard because i have never said that.
As for 606, well as i said, i quit because of all the negativity.
If, as you say, i was a problem, then it was because i was too positive for the majority on that site who seem to get off on putting a downer on almost every post that is written on there.
There are still one or two lads who dont moan but they are very much in the minority.
As for me mentioning piss, well if you care to read back what someone else had written it was a humorous response by me, but then you dont do humour do you?
Oh, and who have i upset on here besides yourself?
I dont see anyone else crying.
Bye bally, go and do one please.
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:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: Think you have shown yourself up enough. Give me a wave next time you drive past me. You and your Pals. and must you shout? Your opinion of yourself on 606 was that you were too positive, well that I do agree with.
As for your comment of piss, I do not trawl through pages of comments just to make a humerous comment. If you wish to post I cannot stop you, I have no intention of attempting you are entitled to what you think and so am I.
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Ravenrover, if you look at the six games that i mentioned AFTER the Dons started you will find that three of the teams were above us at the time we played them and three were below us.
Sorry to pee on your bonfire (i suppose that might boil now as well).
Not at all, you have an opinion - I have one. As Cloughie would have said lets have a discussion and then agree that I was right all along :thumbsup:
I don't think the Dons or any other activity on the pitch has caused us to play any worse, we have been dire all season and will end up as a mediocre middle of the table team. I now see that PD is trotting out that "the pitch hasn't helped" believe that you'll believe anything JMHO
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raven - nice response (the Cloughie bit).
The thing about football is that people always have different opinions dont they, i suppose that is why these forums are always interesting.
Glad i didnt upset you by the way.
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Our form has been down the toilet since Keegan got injured. We were inconsistent for the first half of the season, then from around Christmas onwards we turned into more consistent play off contenders. We are by no means a one man team but Keegan has been a great asset this year.
Getting back to the OP, we need a fit Keegan (or very similar player) for next season.