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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: GazLaz on April 21, 2015, 02:33:03 pm
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.... we could be 7th or 14th. It just shows the argument of league position can't be used to judge this seasons success.
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Precisely.
The number of unacceptably limp and spineless performances in a massively underwhelming league should be the measure.
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But just why are we not at least in a play off place . Why , when , who if's and buts that's been our season . Nothing deffinate just maybe's and they wonder why we don't get decent home crowds . Lol
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Well that's 2 wins from the last 11 now, excellent.
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Sack the fans
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Well that's 2 wins from the last 11 now, excellent.
That is proper, proper, proper rubbish.
For the vast majority of those games we were (allegedly) desperately trying to get the final play off place and absolutely busting a gut (apparently) to clinch that spot - all with virtually no injury concerns whatsoever.
Let's call a spade a spade - that record is absolutely and utterly unacceptable.
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LOL CHRIS.
QUESTION FOR THE CLAPPERS.
HOW MANY SEASONS WOULD YOU GIVE THE CLOWN TO FINALLY COME GOOD.
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One more.
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He's had 2 too many for me.....
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One game shouldn't draw any conclusions, but a relegation and bottom half finish with that home record should.
Tonight is almost irrelevant, the long term pattern isn't good.
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I agree, tonight is almost irrelevant, it's the bigger picture that's scary, we have played the last quarter of the season with only 2 wins, & playing football worthy of league 2.
One game shouldn't draw any conclusions, but a relegation and bottom half finish with that home record should.
Tonight is almost irrelevant, the long term pattern isn't good.
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This League this season has been terrible.
The quality on show in many many teams and games weve seen has been terrible.
We had a Good budget, we have failed .
Percentage wise of matches we have been terrible. :crying:
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There are better sides in the league this year than when we were last in it.
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2 wins out of 11 is shocking.
Couple this with the record at the end of last season that saw us relegated.
The guy has had several seasons as a manager at two clubs and seemingly doesn't learn from his mistakes as the patterns and traits are there for all but the blinkered to see.
He has to go, but he won't. He has the safest job in football. Any other club in the football league would have got rid well before now.
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You may be right Underwood. But how do you actually know? Surely it's your opinion rather than the fact you claim?
Cheers
BobG
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You may be right Underwood. But how do you actually know? Surely it's your opinion rather than the fact you claim?
Cheers
BobG
I don't believe i've mentioned fact anywhere in my post?
I can only assume, the powers that be at the club are happy with his performance over the last two seasons, despite saying our aim was to get promoted this term. If that was the aim, we have fallen massively short. It makes you wonder what the aim for next season will be.
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You don't have to mention 'fact'. It is implicit in your sentence
"Any other club in the football league would have got rid well before now."
You presented that statement as a fact. I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion. i'm simply curious. Lots will agree. I may even do so myself. But I have never seen any evidence that it is actually a fact - so I'd like to know where you got yours from.
Cheers
BobG
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There are better sides in the league this year than when we were last in it.
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-one/2012-2013/table
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-one/2014-2015/table
Think you are wrong with your assumption.
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You don't have to mention 'fact'. It is implicit in your sentence
"Any other club in the football league would have got rid well before now."
You presented that statement as a fact. I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion. i'm simply curious. Lots will agree. I may even do so myself. But I have never seen any evidence that it is actually a fact - so I'd like to know where you got yours from.
Cheers
BobG
No, it was presented as an opinion. Wrong again Bobby.
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What? I think if you read it your sentence is presented as fact It can't be otherwise can it when there is no mention anywhere of 'opinion' and the crucial words state "Any other club in the football league would have got rid well before now". That is a positive statement. It's not qualified by any use of 'might', could', 'maybe' or anything else. It simply says 'would'. Ergo, it's a statement of fact. Anyway, I don't really care about arguing semantics. I really was simply interested in where you got this fact from? I'm as fed up as the next guy with what we're watching. I'd like to see exactly what head of steam is buidling up. Your post suggested there is something. Your subsequent flanneling rather destroys that sadly.
BobG
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What? I think if you read it your sentence is presented as fact It can't be otherwise can it when there is no mention anywhere of 'opinion' and the crucial words state "Any other club in the football league would have got rid well before now". That is a positive statement. It's not qualified by any use of 'might', could', 'maybe' or anything else. It simply says 'would'. Ergo, it's a statement of fact. Anyway, I don't really care about arguing semantics. I really was simply interested in where you got this fact from? I'm as fed up as the next guy with what we're watching. I'd like to see exactly what head of steam is buidling up. Your post suggested there is something. Your subsequent flanneling rather destroys that sadly.
BobG
Have a look into managerial sackings, when they occur, how long the manager has been at the helm, etc etc.
Furthermore, have a look at the longest serving managers and their success rate compared to PD. Should give some basis to back up my "opinion".
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There are four teams with better squads than us, take them away and i would say we are on a par to be good enough to be in one of the two play-off spots.
We didn't make it unfortunately, according to Paul nobody in this league, gives their youngsters a chance more than us, it's funny i only remember young players really getting their chance when promotion was over.
Our squad misses the dependability of our promotion squad, technically this one is better, but there are too many in and out performers.
Cotterill would go almost a whole game doing nothing, but could be relied on to produce one match winning cross every week, Chris Brown when the ball went upto him it stuck, this season the strikers can't hold onto it long enough.
We lost Husband we replaced him with Evina, played in the championship but always as a wing back, we don't play that way, so he was stuck in a flat four.
Stevens was brought in pretty solid player, but different to Husband in style.
The signings Paul has made are good players, they were never going to be as good as in the championship, any manager has to lower his standards for targets when you drop a league, you go down the pecking order of clubs players want to join.
For me we have lost our way a little in the transfer market, we used to recruit players from lower down who had something to prove, now we just plunder teams reserve squads, and the hunger has been lost a bit.
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There are better sides in the league this year than when we were last in it.
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-one/2012-2013/table
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-one/2014-2015/table
Think you are wrong with your assumption.
Why do you think that
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There are four teams with better squads than us, take them away and i would say we are on a par to be good enough to be in one of the two play-off spots.
We didn't make it unfortunately, according to Paul nobody in this league, gives their youngsters a chance more than us, it's funny i only remember young players really getting their chance when promotion was over.
Our squad misses the dependability of our promotion squad, technically this one is better, but there are too many in and out performers.
Cotterill would go almost a whole game doing nothing, but could be relied on to produce one match winning cross every week, Chris Brown when the ball went upto him it stuck, this season the strikers can't hold onto it long enough.
We lost Husband we replaced him with Evina, played in the championship but always as a wing back, we don't play that way, so he was stuck in a flat four.
Stevens was brought in pretty solid player, but different to Husband in style.
The signings Paul has made are good players, they were never going to be as good as in the championship, any manager has to lower his standards for targets when you drop a league, you go down the pecking order of clubs players want to join.
For me we have lost our way a little in the transfer market, we used to recruit players from lower down who had something to prove, now we just plunder teams reserve squads, and the hunger has been lost a bit.
Laughable. How is playing a loanee over your own youngsters giving them a chance?
The man is a joke and I fear for next season if he is still in charge.
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There are better sides in the league this year than when we were last in it.
And there are a lot worse sides too.
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I do agree with that jenny unless he is considering buying him
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I do agree with that jenny unless he is considering buying him
It is that what worries me, if he is considering buying him then we may as well throw in the towel for next season to. You would think if he had any thought that he was using this as a shop window for a perm move his efforts would be increased, the fact that he is a lazy passenger in a loan spell doesn't hold much hope for anything more permanent!
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Quite agree,I would like us to go for a young prem forward on loan if possible,other teams seem to get the odd 1 or 2
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What? I think if you read it your sentence is presented as fact It can't be otherwise can it when there is no mention anywhere of 'opinion' and the crucial words state "Any other club in the football league would have got rid well before now". That is a positive statement. It's not qualified by any use of 'might', could', 'maybe' or anything else. It simply says 'would'. Ergo, it's a statement of fact. Anyway, I don't really care about arguing semantics. I really was simply interested in where you got this fact from? I'm as fed up as the next guy with what we're watching. I'd like to see exactly what head of steam is buidling up. Your post suggested there is something. Your subsequent flanneling rather destroys that sadly.
BobG
Bob. Is it a fact that you are often incredibly condescending towards many posters on here, or is that just everyone's opinion?
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Bob. Stop splitting hairs and finally agree with the great majority of posters on here: Dickov is completely and utterly clueless and should have already been sacked twice. The board now has a third opportunity to get rid of him. Third time lucky?? Not a hope in hell! Could you imagine how much money they would have had to spend had we actually got promoted?
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But do the majority of posters on here represent the majority who go to watch?
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I guess it's a microcosm of all our supporters.
I know plenty of people who are season ticket holders who don't post on here at all, and not a single one of them want Dickov here. Most of them didn't want him in the first place.
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I know lots that don't think he has had a fair crack at it, I also no a lot that don't want him here but certainly not a big swing either way,the fact Is thou it seems he is going to be here and is there much point arguing over it for the next few months till the new season,he should in my opinion get the 1st 10 games and if again it's boring football and were not getting results then it's time to look elsewhere
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Two seasons? Is that not long enough?
Personally, I think he is totally responsible for our relegation last season. He had us safe, and then got us relegated with horrendous tactics. Going for improbable/impossible wins when a draw would have done fine.
This season, he had us in a play off position and bottled it again. And please, don't let's keep using the old 'pre season argument' it's been done to death.
Swindon had a transfer embargo and have done pretty well. Southampton sold ALL their decent players and haven't done so bad. Even Crawley are way better than us at the moment FFS. Having said that, they all have managers who have half a clue what they're doing.
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Southampton have a excellent youth academy and spent some decent money to so you can't compare them to us,Swindon yes have done well and yes they might have a better manager,the pre season has everything to do with it,1 min he has the funds to sign good players the next he has to get players that prob were not his 1st or even 2nd choice,look how we have missed keegan did he not miss the 1st few weeks and the same with wellens,which would be fine with a big strong squad but we didn't have 1
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I'm sorry but the fault lies at PDs door for missing Keegan - it was obvious we would miss him and he wasted funds on bringing in the likes of JCH instead.
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Maybe there was no1 available or maybe he didn't have the right funds to replace him
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If the right funds aren't available then perhaps PD should spend more wisely..
JCH, Razak, De Val....
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How much did they cost jenny? Agree on de val thou
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2 full seasons of quite uninspiring football is more concerning to me than anything else. It seems to me Dickov still doesn't know how he wants his team to play. Fast, direct and tenacious or slow, patient and technical? We've seen it all this season but very little of it could be called good football. The legends game was the best value for money I've had at the KMS for a long time because it was actually entertaining, sadly I feel like the case is the same for a lot of fans.
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here are Dickovs signings over the last two years, both permanent and loan (feel free to point out any I've missed):
Bywater
Clark-Harris
De Val
Evina
Forrester
Furman
Ikpeazu
Johnstone
Lund *
Main
Mandeville *
Marosi
McCullough
J McKay *
Peterson *
Razak
Robinson
Sharp
Steer
Stevens
Tyson
Wabara
Wellens
Whitehouse *
* already in youth system
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Looking at the list, Dickov has had some bloody good strikers and players with really good goalscoring records - they haven't scored many though. The players he has had are not poor, but their records are - manager has to be blamed there.
Not to mention the ommission of Billy Sharp!
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Which forwards do you mean?
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Not to mention the ommission of Billy Sharp!
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Wellens is technically a Dickov signing. That list also needs to include Macheda, Meite, Tamas and Neill.
It would probably be simpler to list those he hasn't signed. Coppinger, Jones, McCombe and those who came via the youth system if we're looking at current players. It is difficult to argue this is anyone's team but Dickov's.
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Wellens is technically a Dickov signing.
agreed - added
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Sack him now. I am sick and tired of watching the same shit week in week out. Tactically inept with no clue how to motivate anyone.
Fans staying away because the passion and performances on show have been shocking. Nobody has a right to challenge for promotion, that has to be earned ibut we have been dreadful this season, considering the so called budget.
We don't have one decent forward on the books. Curtis main couldn't trap his fingers in a door & tysons finished after 60 mins. Dickov defo has personality issues with forrester which prevents him getting a consistent run in the team.
Before each game you can telegraph the substitutions. The man is incompetent and needs to go. I have renewed my season ticket but I have no interest whatsoever in attending whilst we have to watch the same dreadful performances.
I can even say I enjoyed it more under Saunders, the football was poor but effective and we had passion in abundance.
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The only striker you would class as good on there is Sharp and he hasn't looked like scoring for anyone since Southampton got promoted.
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Tamas, meite, neill, bowery , butler (apologies if I've duplicated)
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Agree Gaz,years ago Tyson was a class player unfortunately he didn't manage to keep it going
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The players Paul has signed are good players, but some of them are not team orientated in my opinion, we need a group of players that play as one, rather than a bunch of individuals.
They are good when on the ball but we don't have enough who can win the ball back.
Paul seems a very hard worker i can imagine him putting long hours into the team, but unfortunately when you score nineteen goals at home, that tells you what you need to know.