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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: dickos1 on June 29, 2015, 10:43:27 pm
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New Liverpool assistant manager
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http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/587670/Sean-O-Driscoll-Liverpool-Brendan-Rodgers-assistant-manager (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/587670/Sean-O-Driscoll-Liverpool-Brendan-Rodgers-assistant-manager)
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Legend. To think, if Rodgers gets sacked. SOD could be Liverpool manager.
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Great appointment by them, should be a good team to watch next season
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We'll dome SOD!!
He's come a long way. We played so,e great football under him
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He has absolutely zero chance of becoming Liverpool manager. He's not a manager he's a coach. He couldn't be a No1 at the top level.
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Good luck to Shaun .
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Very good coach, good luck to him at Liverpool.
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Short term job as Rodgers will be sacked before Christmas
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Take a look at the Liverpool forum they are not pleased.
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Lots of Donny fans weren't happy when Sir Sean was appointed. They didn't think that a few years later. Delighted for the man.
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Credit to the man.
Good luck to him.
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In terms of taking a player and making him technically better I doubt there are few better based on testimonies of plenty of ex-players. For a club with plenty of young players he's a good appointment.
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Well done Sean. Give the bloke a chance
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I hope that he does well. I'm sure that their young players will appreciate what he brings to the training ground and club as a whole.
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I cant believe he has done this I really cant!!! He had the chance to develop England U19's into playing the game in the modern way for the future,it was a great job for him...Now he's left to be Liverpool assistant manager to a man whose hanging onto his job by a whispy straw...SOD will be unemployed By Christmas mark my words!!!!!!!
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Seth Bennett tweeted this
@Sethb45: I forgot how good SO'D's #DRFC were. The opening move is brilliant. @Coppinger26 https://t.co/xDlpR6z6db
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Seth Bennett tweeted this
@Sethb45: I forgot how good SO'D's #DRFC were. The opening move is brilliant. @Coppinger26 https://t.co/xDlpR6z6db
Some of those faces....Jeez what a team we had.
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Lucky Liverpool! Good luck Sean
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He has absolutely zero chance of becoming Liverpool manager. He's not a manager he's a coach. He couldn't be a No1 at the top level.
He's 2nd in line to the throne. Assistant Manager. It's irrelevant what you or I think of his managing abilities*, the plain fact is that if Rodgers gets sacked due to pressure from the the scouse public he could be interim manager. Look at the examples in the prem last season.
*I happen to think you've underestimated them considerably.
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Best manager we've ever had!!
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I don't see your point Copps....If Rodgers is sacked (and without a fast start he will be) SOD might take them over for a game or two..Liverpool wont take a chance on a manager whose been sacked so many times and has such a low profile..He wouldn't attract the calibre of players they go after...So in comes a new man from the top European leagues and brings in his own staff and he will be gone....And will find himself scrabbling round the lower leagues again....For me he has left a job perfect for his many talents and is about to take one that for is odds on to last no more than 6 months....
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John Carver, Tim Sherwood, Chris Ramsey, Gary Monk....
You are most probably right WC. All I'm saying is that there is at least a precedent for English managers to come from behind the scenes and take the top job. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I'm just saying it's possible.
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Your quoting guys with a history at a club and teams who are lower reaches of premiership mainly in relegation battles (Swansea aside)...Liverpool are one of the big fish,it's a totally different equation...They just wouldn't take a chance on him even if he won his 3 games in charge...The fans wouldn't accept it and like I said the top players wouldn't fancy joining them either...I love SOD,he was fantastic for us but he is a coach,not a manager.. Would I trust him with a 100 million war chest.....Not in a million years
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I don't see your point Copps....If Rodgers is sacked (and without a fast start he will be) SOD might take them over for a game or two..Liverpool wont take a chance on a manager whose been sacked so many times and has such a low profile..He wouldn't attract the calibre of players they go after...So in comes a new man from the top European leagues and brings in his own staff and he will be gone....And will find himself scrabbling round the lower leagues again....For me he has left a job perfect for his many talents and is about to take one that for is odds on to last no more than 6 months....
If/when Rodgers gets sacked Sod will no doubt get a hefty pay off and his name back in the public conscience from being at such a large club. International management isn't the same as the day to day of club management either, some coaches just prefer that day to day involvment that he wouldn't get in the England post.
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again I bet he doesn't get a big pay off...The Liverpool executives will already probably be putting a few feelers out about possible replacements for Rodgers that's how these things work...So they are not going to be offering him big payments on long contracts..It will have clauses in it that make the pay off minimal...I accept your point about his raised profile,but that only works if Rodgers turns them around...If he goes early..it wont enhance his reputation much...Like it or not or even agree with it or not,the reality is he hasn't managed to hold a job down for 5 minutes since he left us,wherever he's gone...
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Maybe the under -19 role isn't that appealing to him. They only played 7 games last season and didn't qualify for the final tournament. He probably misses the day to day involvement. I also think he'll get paid substantially more at Liverpool than he was at the FA.
The under -17 coach, John Peacock, has just left to take up a coaching job at Derby.
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Wow, what a move for SOD! Hope he has a successful spell at Liverpool!
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Why are people wasting time arguing over the utter irrelevance of whether or not he may, at some point in the future, have to step in as a caretaker manager for a game or two?
He did a great job for us, comes across as a completely decent man and there is no rational reason why anyone with any connection to our club wouldn't wish him anything but the very best in this move. They're a huge club, it's a great job working for a progressive manager. Pleased for him and hope it works out well for all parties.
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Am I going crazy here or is it just the heat? SOD has just been appointed assistant manager of Liverpool FC. One of the most famous clubs in the entire world. Hundreds and hundreds of AMs progress to become managers at some time or another. How would SOD potentially becoming manager of Liverpool FC not be relevant to what we're discussing?
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Because he's not going to.
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Sorry, didn't realise that had been finalised. Do tell me the lottery numbers when they come to you.
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The England u19 job is really a part time job and perhaps they will allow him to do both, but I doubt it.
In my opinion he was the best manager we have ever had. The quality of football was the best I have seen in over 50 years of supporting Donny. We treated Sean very badly when he was on gardening leave but I won't go in to that again. I did talk to Sean during that period and he takes a very philosophical view on football management "the sack is all part of the job" but if the contract is honoured "that's life" move on.
I know he is good enough for the job but football being what it is he will need that bit of luck.
Just look at that idiot Steve Cotterell now a manager in the Prem and yet not good enough to lick Sean's boots thats the kind of luck Sean needs.
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Cotterill is a Championship manager.
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I stand corrected Gaz but my point remains. He got the promotion by being in the right place at the right time and certainly not on his ability.
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well it's all about opinions and every body's got one? mine is not good enough is cv isn't that good is it. but I'm not botherd can't stand scousers there as bad as scum utd to me, can't see the top teams in prem shitting them selves at this news
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I stand corrected Gaz but my point remains. He got the promotion by being in the right place at the right time and certainly not on his ability.
I dislike Cotterill immensely but I do recall reading he had a 42% win ratio over a 600+ game managerial career (it was on twitter so could be gubbins mind). For anyone who manages outside a big club thats a very impressive stat. I do take your point re SOD though, who knows where this move could take him, assuming he wants to be a top dog again somewhere and isn't happier coaching top players who can buy into his beliefs rather than managing at a lower level.
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Why are people wasting time arguing over the utter irrelevance of whether or not he may, at some point in the future, have to step in as a caretaker manager for a game or two?
He did a great job for us, comes across as a completely decent man and there is no rational reason why anyone with any connection to our club wouldn't wish him anything but the very best in this move. They're a huge club, it's a great job working for a progressive manager. Pleased for him and hope it works out well for all parties.
It's just a friendly debate Jonathon about one of our most popular managers and what he's doing now..nobodys falling out,just giving there opinions about his expected appointment...Don't see how that's a problem,after all isn't that what these boards are for??
It doesn't mean anybody doesn't wish him well though,i do but I think he would have been better seeing a job out for once that's all....
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Daily Mail: Sean O'Driscoll Scouting Report (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3144459/Sean-O-Driscoll-scouting-report-need-know-Brendan-Rodgers-new-assistant-manager-Liverpool.html)
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Noel,
I admit I don't have a liking for SC.
I think he tends to talk rubbish most of the time and non more so than when we have played his teams in the past.
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Noel,
I admit I don't have a liking for SC.
I think he tends to talk rubbish most of the time and non more so than when we have played his teams in the past.
I think he's anti-football and his tactics are as ugly as any I've ever seen (that home defeat to Portsmouth where him and SoD clashed was as angry as I've been at a game) but I think there must be effectiveness in them for him to have had the career he's had sadly.
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That is quite a good article by the Daily Mails standard anyway...As for Cotterill he's the classic example of success the ugly way but success he normally achieves..This doesn't make him popular with opposing fans or even his own...Its a bit like Saunders,his team and tactics were not for the purist but it achieved what it needed too but is he remembered fondly at Donny..No not really...
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Let's be fair if Sean does a successful job at Liverpool then the team will do well so why would they sack the manager. When he went to NFFC as coach he kept them up although Cotterill got the accolades for doing it.
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keeping seat warm for gerrard
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WC,
I have just been reading the supporter comments at the end of the article. They are totally predictable and not to far off the one's I made when he came to us, "Sean who"
The difference being Sean made me a convert early on and I haven't changed my views about the man one bit.
I consider him to be an eccentric who knows what he is talking about.
You are right WC when you say "we all have opinions" and have the right to express them in a respectful way and on reflection the forum seems to be running very smoothly of late.
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The Mail does say JOC was signed by SOD when in fact Penney signed him, just to be pedantic.
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Was gonna post the same DO. However - SO'D (imo) did a marvelous job for us and all the very best of luck Sir Sean!
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It's a nice and balanced article. His strengths are coaching and improving players. You could argue his weaknesses are irrelevant to the job he's got. Hope he does well.
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I stand corrected Gaz but my point remains. He got the promotion by being in the right place at the right time and certainly not on his ability.
I dislike Cotterill immensely but I do recall reading he had a 42% win ratio over a 600+ game managerial career (it was on twitter so could be gubbins mind). For anyone who manages outside a big club thats a very impressive stat. I do take your point re SOD though, who knows where this move could take him, assuming he wants to be a top dog again somewhere and isn't happier coaching top players who can buy into his beliefs rather than managing at a lower level.
no one likes a winner and that what cots is,
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Noel,
I admit I don't have a liking for SC.
I think he tends to talk rubbish most of the time and non more so than when we have played his teams in the past.
I think he's anti-football and his tactics are as ugly as any I've ever seen (that home defeat to Portsmouth where him and SoD clashed was as angry as I've been at a game) but I think there must be effectiveness in them for him to have had the career he's had sadly.
Not sitting on the fence here, but I think Cotterill is a kitson. I left that game vs Portsmouth really angry at the antics of his players, we lost 0-2 didn't we?
A few days later we got hit for 6 by Ipswich - one of those days when everything they did went right. But I went home much happier that night having watched a more "honest" game than vs Portsmouth.
Second behind Cotterill IMHO is Coleman - his Coventry side were awful. The classic example was at the KM when it finished 0-0. At one point, their winger chased down a lost cause that was always going to be a goal kick. When he realised this, he went down injured but off the pitch. Then, for some odd reason, he came back onto the pitch and went down again. Now that kind of thinking can only have been instigated by the coaching regime.
Good luck to SoD, what a fantastic appointment for him.
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on the subject of Gerard i reckon he'll have a similar management career as brian Robson did "absolutely hopeless" suggest you all look back at the last world cup and see how many of the goals England conceeded were down to Gerard's defending i think it was three -- his performances in that world cup were a total disaster - he was a broken "boy" after that slip in the league.
now has anyone realised SOD is simply gaining experience for when he takes over struggling Bournemouth later in the season :chair:
- if only Sod had taken that Burnley premiership job history would be so different.
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Seth Bennett tweeted this
@Sethb45: I forgot how good SO'D's #DRFC were. The opening move is brilliant. @Coppinger26 https://t.co/xDlpR6z6db
Nah. It were shite. Heffernan was just lucky being in the right place at the right time[1].
[1] ie on the pitch, not on the bench...
Edit: Seriously though, I never did appreciate at the time just how good that goal was. I think we just got accustomed to passing like that.
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why o why do fans keep looking at history? that's what sod is, Saunders and flyn, ffs forget them look forward not back.
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Cool. No point talking about Alick then I guess? Or Wembley? Or Cardiff. Or Brentford. No problem. They're all banned subjects from now on.
Cheers
Bobg
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Seth Bennett tweeted this
@Sethb45: I forgot how good SO'D's #DRFC were. The opening move is brilliant. @Coppinger26 https://t.co/xDlpR6z6db
... AND the 40 pass move v QPR. OK we went back several times but it was good to watch and see their players commit 3 fouls in a row to finally stop the move
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR8L5QLtbVE
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What a good set of footballers we had then.
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Absolutely hound, what would we give to have them now? Mind, as good as they were there weren't that many of them supremely talented, in the Championship years there weren't many of our players other teams in the division wanted... two, maybe three if memory serves me right.
Sean O'Driscoll made all the difference. He gave them a system, confidence and a work ethic that truly made the whole greater than sum of the parts, they each knew the system and their role in it, which is why they achieved so much. He wrung every last drop of potential out of each one of them. Sean was the manager who got Billy Sharp playing to his potential, nobody since has come close.
I cringe when I read comments on here about him being a great Coach but a lousy Manager. O'Driscoll was an outstanding manager, how else could our club have punched above its weight in the way it did?
His achilles heel, if he had one was that he couldn't bring himself to suffer fools gladly and for a football manager that is certain to make life difficult. That only sets him apart from the rest for me because he stuck to his principles with honesty and integrity, even if some people didn't want to see it.
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Pieman,
Spot on, my sentiment entirely.
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Yes Sean was the best manager we have ever seen at Rovers, but he certainly had his faults. The biggest of them his stubborness and lack of a Plan B. If you have more players in the sick room than on the pitch - dont you think there might be something wrong with the fitness levels? When teams had worked us out and realised all they needed to do was defend their penalty box and let us play pretty patterns before we would eventually loose possesion and hit us on the break - that's what we continued to do. Continually playing Stock when he was struggling.
He had his faults.
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Wilts,
Can you name me someone who doesn't have faults? Perhaps the wife?
At every game there are 1000's of supporters who know better than the manager!
I would be the first to admit Sean moves in mysterious ways but on the whole, in the world surrounding the team, with the limitation of a small budget, personally I really enjoyed what he produced.
Even with your perceived faults Sean had, he was the best.
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Really surprised that everyone is talking about SOD, how good this is for him and what a great manager he was for us - but we should forget the past and move on etc. and nobody has mentioned what a great move this could be for us now. He still has ties with the club, recieved a great reception from fans, players and chairman at the legends game - any chance of a quality loanie coming in to Donny from the pool - insider info.....In fact lets offer to be a partner in developing their youth players. Come on PD make that call :thumbsup:
Come on you reds!
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Gareth Roberts on SO'D:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/odriscoll-liverpool-fcs-new-assistant-9565296#ICID=sharebar_twitter
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Donny Viking - I think the way SODs departure was handle by the Board will have put pay to any favours being done for us by him. And, as we all know, SOD is very much a man of principal!!!!
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Craig,
When it comes to loaning players out I would think Sean would talk it over with the player and only let him go to a club where the player/ his club could gain a benefit from that position, could that be Donny?
Old pals act will not come in to it.
Will he hold a grudge against our club for the poor treatment? I don't think so, Sean seems to take a very philosophical view on life in football and getting the sack is very much part of it.
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The BBC. First with the news!
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33401289
Leaving aside the "Sheffield United lose appeal" aspect, how have they managed to produce a "factfile" that ignores the most successful period of his career?
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Been watching old vids of The Day Today recently.
That Factfile sounds like a Chris Morris job.
Sean O'Driscoll - the FACTS!
1) Sean O'Driscoll was BORN!
2) Sean O'Driscoll is rumoured to have two testicles!
3) Sean O'Driscoll is an anagram of "LL! No Disco Arse". A reference to the FACT that, whilst manager of Sudbury AntiGrammaticals, he signed the 1980s Ladies Love rapper LL Cool J, but banned him from shaking his naked tush in the dressing room to the sound of "(You Make Me Feel) Mighty Real" by Trans-sexual disco star Sylvester who died of bad AIDS.
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Gareth Roberts on SO'D:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/odriscoll-liverpool-fcs-new-assistant-9565296#ICID=sharebar_twitter
The best left back we had in the last ten years and never replaced.
Great to hear he felt Sean made him better.
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Now it appears that Gary McAllister is joining Liverpool's backroom staff as a coach.
I wonder if the two of them will chat fondly about the playoff final :scarf:
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Now it appears that Gary McAllister is joining Liverpool's backroom staff as a coach.
I wonder if the two of them will chat fondly about the playoff final :scarf:
one of them might. 😉
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No doubt McAllister will use his finger to stir Sean's tea, when he's not looking!. :unsure: