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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: glosterred on August 08, 2015, 05:35:59 pm
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Who ever let it off - you're a f**king idiot
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Who ever let it off - you're a f***ing idiot
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Yes I'm afraid some of the "Black Bank" seem intent on scoring own goals
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+1, the atmosphere was great, the flare was a step too far.
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Aye a bit silly. Hopefully no over reaction but the organisers need to make a stance on that. All got a tad silly.
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Embarrassing really. I was really enjoying it until then.
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Yes, maybe the people who think that the black bank has been agreed also think it means a free for all. Love the atmosphere that has been created bit don't spoil it
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The atmosphere created was top class, spoilt by one idiot with the pyro, people have invested a lot of time and effort into the black bank, and even though I've had my disagreements with alot of those people you have to feel for them, all their hard work and enthusiasm potentially spoilt by one idiot!
Well done the rest of you on a cracking atmosphere
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As some know I am making a banner for the Leeds game. I also know the guys behind the scenes are doing a lot of great work and the atmosphere has improved by a wide margin.
But a certain group of ours fans are constantly agitating against the stewards/SLOs, and the stewards are constantly agitating against a certain group of our supporters. They were up and down those stairs about 5/6 times during the game. I hope it doesn't come to a head and the club attempt to shut things down.
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As some know I am making a banner for the Leeds game. I also know the guys behind the scenes are doing a lot of great work and the atmosphere has improved by a wide margin.
But a certain group of ours fans are constantly agitating against the stewards/SLOs, and the stewards are constantly agitating against a certain group of our supporters. They were up and down those stairs about 5/6 times during the game. I hope it doesn't come to a head and the club attempt to shut things down.
You do something about the group of your supporters before it does come to a head
COYR
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It will only be the pyros that get the experiment ended ... if you know who they are talk to them before they get the club into serious point docking trouble .
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I seen the stewards moveing in when the flag went up and I asked a slo who was on the radio at the time, I asked him what had the fans
done and he said nothing so why the fuss there? now I don't no much if that was a pyro it was piss poor,
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It's really hard to control what other people do in a stand Gloster. I'm just there to make some noise and show some colour. But what can be controlled is the stewards constantly telling supporters to do this and that and standing over everyone with their radio mics!
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Looks like Facebook may have identified the culprit should it be true
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Surely CCTV should spot and ban the culprit
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Whoever did this needs to be named and banned, and prosecuted if there is a way that works, and anyone else directly involved with it. "Having a word" may influence that person but will do nothing to stop others thinking it's a clever thing to do.
Many people in the Black Bank will know who it is and it's up to them to decide whether they care more about this idiot or the Back Bank.
Personally I love pyros at games if there is a pyro friendly section, but it is not allowed at the KM, end of.
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Just unbelievable really. The BB was absolutely a success why risk ruining it? The organisers can't be happy with that.
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It's really hard to control what other people do in a stand Gloster. I'm just there to make some noise and show some colour. But what can be controlled is the stewards constantly telling supporters to do this and that and standing over everyone with their radio mics!
Someone from the BB must know who let it off, do the right thing and tell the stewards, get this idiot out of the ground once and for all.
COYR
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The Black bank has a Facebook page . I highly recommend you all visit it and you will perhaps like me be very surprised at a couple of pyro postings.
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It's probably a reaction to last weeks flag gate. It was a high probability it was going to happen.
Other than that, I thought it was as good in there as we dared to hope. The protagonists have to be sensible now though. A points been made but let's not let this ruin things for everyone.
The police will force the club to act if we have anymore incidents. Nobody wants that. The club want this to succeed as much as we do for obvious reasons.
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Was odds on that some prat will let of a smoke bomb, yeah it might look good and add to the atmosphere but we don't play in Poland or Russia do we? People need to realise and understand that some people have made real effort to form the group and if this continues the stadium management will take action and it will end up going down the swanny.
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I thought the BB guys were brilliant today - until the Pyro went off!
Very daft - I wonder if the culprit knows there's gonna have to be extra police presence at the next game and a fee of £8k to pay (may be more now - that was last season) - So well done whoever you were - not only did you spoil an amazing success story for the BB today - but you also cost the club some serious money!
Unfortunately, as great as Pyros look on the continent and as much as they add to the atmosphere across Europe - they ain't allowed here!
And DBR even tho it is probably a reaction to last week - there was still really no need for it, you're very right too DBR that the police will force the club to act sooner or later!
Guys - leave 'em at home and focus on turning the BB into the wall of noise you want it to be - you sounded amazing today! Build on that eh?
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What was the banner about ?
Good noise from BB from where I sit in middle of West Stand
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Assuming the stewards didn't see and eject the offender, I wouldn't have thought it would be too difficult to identify them via CCTV.
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What did that long white banner say? couldn't read it as I was fairly near the back and off to the side.
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Said something like (____ stewards are nothing) couldnt make out first word
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Looks like "Football is nothing without stewards"
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Football without Stewards is nothing !
From my perspective I thought the BB was very very impressive
Lose the f*****g Pyros . They have NO place whatsoever in modern Stadia and they are illegal
To summarise - do the things you do well and ditch the stupidity. It will cost us money and possibly even League Points. You want success and so do I but how would you (the thrower) feel if we missed out on Promo by a Point having been docked three points for this or a subsequent offence AND then lost to The Blades in the Playoffs ?
Yes sick as pigs - so stop NOW
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I thought they sounded great from the west stand and I like the pyros. I think it adds to the noise and atmosphere. Just my view do don't start getting snotty. I also thought the twelve year old bury fans were funny😱
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I was at Lincoln pre season and scunny away last year. On both occasions I witnessed OUR OWN SUPPORTERS including some elderly and children struggling to breathe as a result of an idiot (s) thinking it appropriate to let off a flare in an enclosed space.
They have no place in an enclosed populated space.
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As some know I am making a banner for the Leeds game. I also know the guys behind the scenes are doing a lot of great work and the atmosphere has improved by a wide margin.
But a certain group of ours fans are constantly agitating against the stewards/SLOs, and the stewards are constantly agitating against a certain group of our supporters. They were up and down those stairs about 5/6 times during the game. I hope it doesn't come to a head and the club attempt to shut things down.
You do something about the group of your supporters before it does come to a head
COYR
Were you there glosterred because I was . They were hellbent on trying to take it to the supporters at the top.
Bar the pyro idiot ....it works. I was there and I needed to have a word about their attitude . they seemed to accept that they had agreed to certain things then decided to do an about turn.
The ''censored" German flag was one such example. I heard the whole conversation. Why it was a problem for the stewards is anyone's guess.
If you want a library again some of you then keep on knocking these young lads who are merely trying to replicate what goes on elsewhere safely and with fun.
The pyro was the exception to the rule. Try an attract these young'uns to have their 3/4 hours of fun or lose them and eventually slip to the 1500-2000 crowds of old people we had in the not too distant past.
Knock the idiots ( the pyro numpty ) but NOT the fantastic efforts of the team that put all this together.
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I think that everyone is appreciating the effort the BB are putting in
I am not in the know of the friction between BB and club/stewards but hope it gets sorted
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the old people you talk about hoola followed thro the bad times,the younger element went to leeds ,are you suggesting there should be an age limit when you must stop supporting a team.fun is fun but I get the feeling the self styled black bank are attracting an element not wanted at football matches.how many more pyros does it need before the f.a. step in and take action,ie fine for the club and section of ground closed.people know who the culprit and trouble makers are.report it now and snap it in the bud
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It's about education and setting an example. Yesterday was fantastic for 94 minutes. You can't tell me that 2 minutes of coloured smoke made the day!
It's about a word to the wise and not let the 2 minutes ruin the 94. The message needs to be "Party, no Pyro!".
The overwhelming majority want the Black Bank to work but a very small minority need to understand it's not a free for all. We can't let all the hard work to put it all together be undermined.
I thought, as well as the noise and the spectacle, the unreserved seating element seemed to work very well. Anyone else have any observations/comments?
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Were you there glosterred because I was . They were hellbent on trying to take it to the supporters at the top.
Bar the pyro idiot ....it works. I was there and I needed to have a word about their attitude . they seemed to accept that they had agreed to certain things then decided to do an about turn.
The ''censored" German flag was one such example. I heard the whole conversation. Why it was a problem for the stewards is anyone's guess.
If you want a library again some of you then keep on knocking these young lads who are merely trying to replicate what goes on elsewhere safely and with fun.
The pyro was the exception to the rule. Try an attract these young'uns to have their 3/4 hours of fun or lose them and eventually slip to the 1500-2000 crowds of old people we had in the not too distant past.
That's one of the issues we're facing. Do we really need Gavin Baldwin, the new employee who was a SLO last year, an actual SLO and numerous stewards (all with radio mics) stood at the bottom of the BB watching every move as they were yesterday! It's informal intimidation and it's only going to cause reactions from people (not me personally but others).
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its early days of an experiment and the rovers would be irrisponsable if they didn't monitor it from the start,but there must be occasions copps when you've gone to a game and the police have been openly filming supprters with their hand held cameras,give it time if its proved its not trouble the supporterd want then no doubt it will change
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It's about education and setting an example. Yesterday was fantastic for 94 minutes. You can't tell me that 2 minutes of coloured smoke made the day!
It's about a word to the wise and not let the 2 minutes ruin the 94. The message needs to be "Party, no Pyro!".
The overwhelming majority want the Black Bank to work but a very small minority need to understand it's not a free for all. We can't let all the hard work to put it all together be undermined.
I thought, as well as the noise and the spectacle, the unreserved seating element seemed to work very well. Anyone else have any observations/comments?
... and the person / people doing this (Pyro lighting) have shown they have no respect for 26 James Coppinger who appealed several times last season on the big screen for them NOT to do this
You are right - it was great for 90 odd minutes and what did a bit of red smoke do to add to that ? Nothing
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I thought they sounded great from the west stand and I like the pyros. I think it adds to the noise and atmosphere. Just my view do don't start getting snotty. I also thought the twelve year old bury fans were funny😱
Not getting snotty but note the quote below.
I was at Lincoln pre season and scunny away last year. On both occasions I witnessed OUR OWN SUPPORTERS including some elderly and children struggling to breathe as a result of an idiot (s) thinking it appropriate to let off a flare in an enclosed space.
They have no place in an enclosed populated space.
Why is that difficult to comprehend?
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Pity we can't have the pyros suspended from above then the smoke would rise. No-one ever objects when clubs have fireworks and flares are used on pitches in this country in a CONTROLLED manner.
Fellas the important thing is they are just that controlled.
As an aside , I understood that the Black Bank was to be controlled by the Stewards in a more relaxed manner....IT WAS NOT.
I was just in front of the drummers, 3 rows down at the end of the aisle. They were constantly up and down the stairs berating supporters for throwing till rolls at the beginning , for the German flag that had censored on it and other things. What is the problem with this flag ? Have we had any real objections from our massive band of German supporters as to its content ?
Were there outbreaks of violence ?
Were there major safety issues ?
Was there damage to property ?
Sorry the answer thankfully is NO to all these questions . What I witnessed were Stewards and stadium management on a power trip. Half a dozen times I heard the words " yes we agreed but....".
If you agree that the Black Bank is a good idea and it doesn't breach any of the above criteria then please leave the supporters alone . Monitor yes , interfere and spoil NO.
Pyro aside , it was a massive success slightly marred by excessive and totally unnecessary over- zealous stewarding.
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Let's hope this can be resolved without the police/SAG stepping in. Otherwise the minority could have spoiled it for the majority, and not just the core of the black bank, but the whole of the south stand. :unsure:
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I was disgusted that when the announcement was made about the death of Neville Neville, I heard some idiots shouting w**ker, w**ker, w**ker and then I realised it was aimed at the flag confiscation, the Bury fans must have been appalled because it appeared very disrespectful at the time.
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Hoola
I asked on a previous thread if people could give me examples of where a banner that contained swearing was allowed to stay in place in a ground. I guess people must have missed it as no-one gave any examples. Now we have a return of the pyros they were asked not to use several times last season.
If some people are determined to do what they want, despite being asked not to, is it any surprise the authorities are watching them.
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Yes, it's right to say it's early days and the relationship between fans and stewards is not quite there yet. I wasn't sure myself whether putting a steward right in the middle of it was the right thing to do. We on the fan panel will be addressing these issues on an ongoing basis.
We've come this far. I'm buggered if these things are allowed to spoil it. The potential for the whole thing was there for all to see and experience.
For an old fart, I really enjoyed my day on the Black Bank and my voice is still a bit hoarse.
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As some know I am making a banner for the Leeds game. I also know the guys behind the scenes are doing a lot of great work and the atmosphere has improved by a wide margin.
But a certain group of ours fans are constantly agitating against the stewards/SLOs, and the stewards are constantly agitating against a certain group of our supporters. They were up and down those stairs about 5/6 times during the game. I hope it doesn't come to a head and the club attempt to shut things down.
You do something about the group of your supporters before it does come to a head
COYR
Were you there glosterred because I was . They were hellbent on trying to take it to the supporters at the top.
Bar the pyro idiot ....it works. I was there and I needed to have a word about their attitude . they seemed to accept that they had agreed to certain things then decided to do an about turn.
The ''censored" German flag was one such example. I heard the whole conversation. Why it was a problem for the stewards is anyone's guess.
If you want a library again some of you then keep on knocking these young lads who are merely trying to replicate what goes on elsewhere safely and with fun.
The pyro was the exception to the rule. Try an attract these young'uns to have their 3/4 hours of fun or lose them and eventually slip to the 1500-2000 crowds of old people we had in the not too distant past.
Knock the idiots ( the pyro numpty ) but NOT the fantastic efforts of the team that put all this together.
Yes I was there, in the west stand and I stand by my comment that the person who did it was a f**king idiot. I also stand by my comment that the BB should do something about it, report the idiot, we don't need that in our ground. I am not knocking what the BB have done, the singing helped the atmosphere. But all the work BB has done, goes up in smoke (pun intended) when the idiots let off the pyros.
With respect to the stewards stood at the bottom watching, you may find things calm down, when they know they can trust the group not to be setting off pyros and behave.
COYR
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I doubt the stewards appreciated the banner though. That can't have helped. Stewards shouldn't wind fans up, fans shouldn't wind stewards up. In reality there's a few on both sides no doubt who would like a scrap but it spoils it for the rest on both sides. The organisers and stewards both need to do their bit and I'm sure they will and it'll be fine.
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Any group needs to be managed fromwith first and foremost . The initiators of the Black bank experiment met the club . Those individuals of BB and the club should meet again and agree a set of rules. The boss of the stewards should be present and agree to abide by the spirit of the agreement too.
Treat the piro thing as it is considered by the Football league and make it clear it could do serious harm to the club's position , including points deductions or worse ( behind closed doors ).
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The Black bank has a Facebook page . I highly recommend you all visit it and you will perhaps like me be very surprised at a couple of pyro postings.
Could you elaborate on that please?
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The Black bank has a Facebook page . I highly recommend you all visit it and you will perhaps like me be very surprised at a couple of pyro postings.
Could you elaborate on that please?
Jamie, should n't your user name have 1879 at the end?
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Here's the issue. The vast majority of people know how to behave and conduct themselves in a good way and respect others enjoyment of the game. Those in the wrong know they are and we need to make it clear to them, it is not acceptable and they are spoiling the party. Without the pyro I think it was very nearly a perfect start.
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The Black bank has a Facebook page . I highly recommend you all visit it and you will perhaps like me be very surprised at a couple of pyro postings.
Could you elaborate on that please?
Jamie, should n't your user name have 1879 at the end?
Maybe he is ahead of his time
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The Black bank has a Facebook page . I highly recommend you all visit it and you will perhaps like me be very surprised at a couple of pyro postings.
Could you elaborate on that please?
Jamie, should n't your user name have 1879 at the end?
No, shouldn't.
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The Black bank has a Facebook page . I highly recommend you all visit it and you will perhaps like me be very surprised at a couple of pyro postings.
Could you elaborate on that please?
Jamie, should n't your user name have 1879 at the end?
No, shouldn't.
Ok
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Yes sure .. my elaboration is that on the Facebook page there are a couple of posters I would interrview if I were a club official to get them to elaborate ! OK?
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I've looked on the Black Bank facebook and can't see anything relating to pyrotechnics?
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A good idea would be to get Dean, the SLO, to stand in the middle of all the lads up the top, get to know them and get them on board to leave the smoke/pyros at home. SLOs are fans at the end of the day, and should be on the fans side primarily, not the clubs.
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I'm not sure that is a good idea - it would in some peoples minds make the SLOs an extension of the stewards and would destroy the relationship they have with the fans. It would also make the role very unappealing.
The fans themselves need to "police" the behaviour of the small minority and if they fail to take the advice, then the only remaining solution is to identify the culprits and have the club deal with them with whatever sanctions are necessary against the individuals - not the majority who are doing a great job of improving the experience.
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I have been told that there was trouble after the match some Bury Fans Coaches were bricked.
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The Facebook post has apparently been deleted .. quite sensible and best for all concerned ;
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The Facebook post has apparently been deleted .. quite sensible and best for all concerned ;
Still none the wiser if this post was on the DRF Facebook group or the actual Black Bank page though.
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the atmosphere was fantastic just let the pyro go the more you mention it the more it will happen let it fizzle out and just enjoy what we avnt had for years
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It was a good atmosphere. We need to continue the positivity and get things out there on social media. Pictures, videos etc.
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Saying that though, nowt beats 'flag day' at Belle Vue. Remember those? :laugh:
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For those of us who don't use Facebook, will someone just explain what was posted on there please.
Secondly, the atmosphere on saturday in the South Stand was fantastic.
I sit central and about 2/3 of the way up and there were times when i had to shout to my mate next to me to make myself heard.
It was by far the noisiest it has been in there for some years.
please don't let the use of Pyro's spoil things lads.
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For those of us who don't use Facebook, will someone just explain what was posted on there please.
Nothing of any consequence.
https://www.facebook.com/blackbankDRFC?fref=ts
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Cheers Muttley.
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the old people you talk about hoola followed thro the bad times,the younger element went to leeds ,are you suggesting there should be an age limit when you must stop supporting a team.fun is fun but I get the feeling the self styled black bank are attracting an element not wanted at football matches.how many more pyros does it need before the f.a. step in and take action,ie fine for the club and section of ground closed.people know who the culprit and trouble makers are.report it now and snap it in the bud
Acko , I'm 59 and my first game was in the 67/8 season so don't give me that. Some here need to remember what it was like to support their team in the 1950's through to the present day.
Lighten up , I feel refreshed by what these lads and lasses are doing irrespective of age....why shouldn't they live on the edge too and have fun .
Providing it is done within rules, safely and without the violence of my youth. Give this a chance , you've all screamed for this and now you have the potential for an enhanced atmosphere. One knob with a pyro does not an experiment break !
There are bound to be boundaries pushed by both the stadium management and the supporters. Both are testing the water ; it's difficult for the Stewards to be more relaxed and it's difficult too for the supporters to know the exact boundaries when the parameters are suddenly changed and ridiculous decisions are made about the flag etc.
The Leeds game will be interesting i.e. are the stewards going to be silly again with the home supporters whilst letting the Leeds act in their usual way ? All I want is for it to be safe. That does NOT mean over-zealous stewarding but rather smart vigilant stewarding that's not in the supporter's faces.
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Well said that man.
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Just a quickie, did the club grant the swearing german flag to start with only then to back track ?
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For those of us who don't use Facebook, will someone just explain what was posted on there please.
Nothing of any consequence.
https://www.facebook.com/blackbankDRFC?fref=ts
I've followed that link and can't see anything relating to pyro? Am I missing something?
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That's the gist of what I heard , I gathered that the swear words had been covered up and that the flag could be used . CIM may be able to help me out here ? I wonder if the middle section was written in Swahili, would there still be an objection ?
So let me get this right 1500 can mouth the words but no-one can see the German hymn sheet ?
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So youre just going on hear say then Hoola.
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For those of us who don't use Facebook, will someone just explain what was posted on there please.
Nothing of any consequence.
https://www.facebook.com/blackbankDRFC?fref=ts
That looks well intimidating...
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That's the gist of what I heard , I gathered that the swear words had been covered up and that the flag could be used . CIM may be able to help me out here ? I wonder if the middle section was written in Swahili, would there still be an objection ?
So let me get this right 1500 can mouth the words but no-one can see the German hymn sheet ?
Mimi, naenda kulala, rafiki yangu.
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Sorry,that was auto correct,read embarrassing
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No the conversation was going on next to me . It was raucous in there, presumably you know something different to ''we agreed but''..... pray tell.
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you obviously misunderstood what I was saying hoola,i am in know way accusing the the black bank of being trouble but I do think there is an element of trouble causes that will attache theirselves to the black bank which will tar them all with the same brush,i don't think for one minute that all millwall or leeds supporters go out to cause trouble but those that do bring the club down,you yourself must remember how it was when fighting and trouble was the norm at matches do we need to go back to those days.pyros are banned from football matches in this country so root out the people what take them and get rid
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This pyro business.
Letting of steam like this is a classic case of Freudian sublimation of unsatisfied sexual urges.
In other words, they're not getting their rocks off.
In which case, maybe they need some help.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porno_for_Pyros_(album)
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Wasn't Rocks Off by Def Leppard?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dg5dkJAGSM
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Rocks - Primal Scream
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Nice one fellas, I'm more worried about stewards knocking every fecker out of the way including moi to get a bloody flag off some supporters. Was it really necessary ?
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The heavies that walk around the ground, don't you think they look like the second rate villains with the little leather gloves on that Terry McCann regularly fettles for Arfur?, pantomime villains! :laugh:
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The heavies that walk around the ground, don't you think they look like the second rate villains with the little leather gloves on that Terry McCann regularly fettles for Arfur?, pantomime villains! :laugh:
Yes and it needs sorting.
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The heavies that walk around the ground, don't you think they look like the second rate villains with the little leather gloves on that Terry McCann regularly fettles for Arfur?, pantomime villains! :laugh:
Yes and it needs sorting.
They do look very much like bouncers from the clubs, wearing four coats to make them look more bulky. :laugh:
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The heavies that walk around the ground, don't you think they look like the second rate villains with the little leather gloves on that Terry McCann regularly fettles for Arfur?, pantomime villains! :laugh:
Yes and it needs sorting.
Well if they are out of a panto they should dress appropriately
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The club have released two statements today.
The first on 'Pyros' (http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/statement-pyrotechnics-2017754.aspx) Basically says pyros are a no.
The second on banners (http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/flags-policy-2614317.aspx), which basically says that small flags are ok, Big banners have to be taken to the club and agreed before hand. This seems fair enough to me. I have actually done this myself this week and they were OK about it (and they were a bit more lenient than the rules suggest).
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I think the policy on flags is appalling, where the heck did they get that from??
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In what way?
edit - now I read it, some bits are a bit draconian
5. Flags which are not subject to section 4 (above) may generally be waved in the stadium;
however, the Stadium Operator reserves the right, if appropriate to ask supporters to resist from waving flags in certain circumstances.
This seems to give stewards free right to stop people waving even small flags at any time?
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In what way?
Basically all of it.
There's nothing in the Green Guide to affect flags or banners, the SAG have no policy on this either. An example, to suggest a flag that is larger than 0.6m x 1.0m should be flame retardant and have a fire certificate is completely OTT. My England flag is much bigger than that and I've never had to produce anything in any stadium I've ever been to, and I've been to quite a few around the globe in the last 30 years or so. If Wembley ever introduced this policy then it would be completely devoid of flags.
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OK, I agree in part (see the PM I sent you). But in practice, you wouldn't be able to take your England flag into the Keepmoat anyway because there is basically zero free available space that has not already been taken by advertising, and banners can't block advertising. They have written these rules (it seems to me) in response to the prospect of very large, over the head type banners coming in. Have they not consulted the fan pannel in anyway on this?
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We (the fan panel) have discussed flags and banners numerous times, but this is a first time I've seen a written policy. I have my suspicions of where this has come from!!
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Ridiculous, let fans be fans for god's sake. They shoot themselves in the foot far too often.
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invented on the back of a fag packet last night :) especially with the Club Doncaster heading
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It smacks of a reactionary policy to keep the upper hand and control. We can understand a common sense approach and as Copps is Magic has said, the club have been accommodating to his.
It's another challenge to overcome.
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Is the giant shirt paraded round by the kids fire retardant with a certificate to prove it? I somehow doubt it :)
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Is the giant shirt paraded round by the kids fire retardant with a certificate to prove it? I somehow doubt it :)
Its actually owned by the VSC, and yes it does have one!! :-)
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Is the giant shirt paraded round by the kids fire retardant with a certificate to prove it? I somehow doubt it :)
Its actually owned by the VSC, and yes it does have one!! :-)
:) :) :)
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Sadly I can't make the game tonight as I have a wedding evening bash to go to. Even that was touch and go though as my back has been a bit sore this week but after a bit of a massage from the gf I'm fit and raring to go so I guess its true what they chant - no chiro no party!
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Copps has waded in with a public service announcement! (Edit: video was posted some time ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVCfpA86rys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVCfpA86rys)
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Ho Dear :(
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Another pyro
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These people dont care about the club we must now be due a fine thats cost us a loan player for a month
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3 tonight, as I said at the start, whoever you are, you're a f**king idiot and I will say it again, you're a f**king idiot.
Black bank, you need to sort this and fast before all your hard work is lost.
COYR
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The culprits need to be caught and banned from the KM for a very long time, to make an example to other would be d*ckheads.
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been over this subect how many times? said it I don't no how many times, but when you wach cup games on tv how often do you see none league or lower league fans let them off when there winning, and it's called celabrateing but when it comes down to the likes of us or no not allowed, if your not affected buy them Whats up? Can't believe so much fuss about them
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Yep it needs sorting pronto. Pyros of any sort, colour, type, size etc are a NO-NO. Whoever it is will bring the whole thing down .........out them please. Next thing is we will have police and trained sniffer dogs to worry about . Sorry no-one gets a kick out of this ant it's fecking dangerous.
Support brilliant tonight (minus pyros please).
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been over this subect how many times? said it I don't no how many times, but when you wach cup games on tv how often do you see none league or lower league fans let them off when there winning, and it's called celabrateing but when it comes down to the likes of us or no not allowed, if your not affected buy them Whats up? Can't believe so much fuss about them
They are illegal, end of.
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been over this subect how many times? said it I don't no how many times, but when you wach cup games on tv how often do you see none league or lower league fans let them off when there winning, and it's called celabrateing but when it comes down to the likes of us or no not allowed, if your not affected buy them Whats up? Can't believe so much fuss about them
Knob jockeys use them for some temporary gratification...............LEAVE THEM AT HOME !! :headbang:
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I hear 2 culprits have already been identified and, I think they will not be partying at the Keepmoat again.
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Otherwise every person will need to be searched thoroughly and that punishes the majority over a couple of bell ends.
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I hear 2 culprits have already been identified and, I think they will not be partying at the Keepmoat again.
If true, it needs to get widely reported so that people know that action is being taken.
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The problem the BB has is that a certain few who are determined to ignore the rules have aligned themselves with them..They are certainly trying to sort it out though as I see you are no longer allowed to talk about setting of Pyro's on there facebook page..Neils finding out that censorship isn't quite the dirty word he used to argue for so hard on here...They know that there achieving something good and are trying to police it themselves but they wouldn't shop anybody in even if they knew who was doing it,thats for sure ...Its a tough one and with the Club being one step away from further action taken against us..i really hope common sense prevails so the BB can carry on doing there good work without these distractions...
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been over this subect how many times? said it I don't no how many times, but when you wach cup games on tv how often do you see none league or lower league fans let them off when there winning, and it's called celabrateing but when it comes down to the likes of us or no not allowed, if your not affected buy them Whats up? Can't believe so much fuss about them
Last night someone was affected by there release and was treated by the medics.
COYR
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The problem the BB has is that a certain few who are determined to ignore the rules have aligned themselves with them..They are certainly trying to sort it out though as I see you are no longer allowed to talk about setting of Pyro's on there facebook page..Neils finding out that censorship isn't quite the dirty word he used to argue for so hard on here...They know that there achieving something good and are trying to police it themselves but they wouldn't shop anybody in even if they knew who was doing it,thats for sure ...Its a tough one and with the Club being one step away from further action taken against us..i really hope common sense prevails so the BB can carry on doing there good work without these distractions...
Censorship?
Never, not on there surely?
The home of anything goes and the world of free speech?
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So it would seem...But that's not a cheap dig at Neil although I see the irony Filo...He's in a rock and a hard place and knows that a lot of peoples hard work could literally go up in smoke..
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I think the policy on flags is appalling, where the heck did they get that from??
Wembley......
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but they wouldn't shop anybody in even if they knew who was doing it,thats for sure ..
So they are prepared to let the Club suffer Financially and possible points loss and to have all their great work on improving the atmosphere for these people.
Quite simply it is ILLEGAL to set these off in Football Stadia
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They have made it perfectly clear what they think about "grasses" so NO in all honesty I don't think they would shop anybody to the club..That said they may not need too,I'm sure by now they will know who it is and a quiet errr word will hopefully sort it out...I really hope so because they have put a lot of hard work into it...
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but they wouldn't shop anybody in even if they knew who was doing it,thats for sure ..
So they are prepared to let the Club suffer Financially and possible points loss and to have all their great work on improving the atmosphere for these people.
Quite simply it is ILLEGAL to set these off in Football Stadia
They want to be everybody's mate. I think they're finding out the hard way that it's not as easy as they think. They've got to decide who they really represent and what principles they intend to stick to.
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The flag policy is draconian at best and should be addressed . Someone at the club thinks he's in a power struggle wtf is going on here and who agreed to this. It's nonsense and smacks of the Stewards ensuring that they don't get a mention on them . GROW UP LADS (STEWARDS THAT IS) !!
As for pyros they can and have been used effectively at many grounds for many years . I am not advocating them but is there a possibility that they can be released just when we score in an empty designated part of the ground ? They do get used as long with other types of fireworks etc on the pitch before the start of the game etc or am I imagining this ?
Personally I DON'T like them but this is a fans game and there must be ways of carefully marshalling this ?
Spoiling the whole atmosphere arguing about the size, content and sex of a flag is unnecessary totally unnecessary
The sterility of stadia is wrecking the whole game and turning hundreds of thousands against it at lower league levels where youngsters try to congregate in soulless bowls. Please don't strangle their spontaneity completely , don't over steward like poor night club bouncers. Stewards lighten up or you will face up to a hardening opposition. Last night you were relatively restrained........keep it that way please !
Stewards you are at the ground to help as well as maintain an element of crowd control. Control does not mean over-reacting.
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As for pyros they can and have been used effectively at many grounds for many years . I am not advocating them but is there a possibility that they can be released just when we score in an empty designated part of the ground ? They do get used as long with other types of fireworks etc on the pitch before the start of the game etc or am I imagining this ?
Personally I DON'T like them but this is a fans game and there must be ways of carefully marshalling this ?
In a word, no. It's the law hoola. People can moan or ague as much as they want, but it's westminster they need to petition, not the stewards or the keepmoat management.
http://www.fsf.org.uk/blog/view/no-pyro-no-party
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Quite simply, the morons with the pyro's need a rocket up their arses. (See what I did there?)
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Bjw I think what's being referred to is the use of fireworks by the FA at cup finals/play off finals surely the FA aren't allowed to use them even in that situation
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You can if you're licensed.
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So if the club were to employ a licensed "pyrotechnician" what hoopla suggested could be allowed at what are conceived as big games ;)
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Absolute disgrace, those morons from the so called "Black Bank" need all banning from the ground.
I'd rather watch us in an empty ground than put up with those idiots.
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Great sweeping generalisation there.
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I'm sure the Stadium cctv will have identified the idiots, they're that stupid that they let the smoke bombs off in the exact same place, that area would have been monitered after the first one
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Absolute disgrace, those morons from the so called "Black Bank" need all banning from the ground.
I'd rather watch us in an empty ground than put up with those idiots.
Look at his previous posts - blatant WUM
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The club website have announced that two people will be given two year bans from our home or away games following the pyro incidents on Thursday.
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2 years is that it, brain dead fcukers need banning from every football club in the country for life.
Hope PC plod come looking for them now.
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I think you've just used a steamroller to break an egg!
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I think you've just used a steamroller to break an egg!
The egg was hard boiled though :)
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We haven't got enough fans to be banning them for petty things like this. Health & safety gone mad!
Free the Black Bank 2 !! :scarf:
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Two fans banned over smoke bombs at Doncaster Rovers v Leeds United game (http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/two-fans-banned-over-smoke-bombs-at-doncaster-rovers-v-leeds-united-game-1-7410873)
Correct decision. Hopefully the Black Bank will pull through this and the idiot minority will think twice for the next home game.
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The problem the BB has is that a certain few who are determined to ignore the rules have aligned themselves with them..They are certainly trying to sort it out though as I see you are no longer allowed to talk about setting of Pyro's on there facebook page..Neils finding out that censorship isn't quite the dirty word he used to argue for so hard on here...They know that there achieving something good and are trying to police it themselves but they wouldn't shop anybody in even if they knew who was doing it,thats for sure ...Its a tough one and with the Club being one step away from further action taken against us..i really hope common sense prevails so the BB can carry on doing there good work without these distractions...
Alternatively, perhaps they are only concerned that having it talked about on their Facebook page risks the identity of the perpetrators being revealed.
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100% correct decision
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We haven't got enough fans to be banning them for petty things like this. Health & safety gone mad!
Free the Black Bank 2 !! :scarf:
They broke the law, and have brought potential further punishment on the club from the authorities following previous pyro incidents.
The club has widely publicised that pyros are not tolerated at the stadium yet folks STILL insist on ignoring the warnings.
Serves them right IMHO!
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The club website have announced that two people will be given two year bans from our home or away games following the pyro incidents on Thursday.
Best news I've had all week, two down about 398 to go.
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We haven't got enough fans to be banning them for petty things like this. Health & safety gone mad!
Free the Black Bank 2 !! :scarf:
They broke the law, and have brought potential further punishment on the club from the authorities following previous pyro incidents.
The club has widely publicised that pyros are not tolerated at the stadium yet folks STILL insist on ignoring the warnings.
Serves them right IMHO!
The law's an ass, there isn't enough police officers to enforce laws like this, or there soon won't be, they cant get to burglaries never mind smoke bombs. We haven't enough fans, we need to be recruiting not banning kids for polluting!
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We haven't got enough fans to be banning them for petty things like this. Health & safety gone mad!
Free the Black Bank 2 !! :scarf:
They broke the law, and have brought potential further punishment on the club from the authorities following previous pyro incidents.
The club has widely publicised that pyros are not tolerated at the stadium yet folks STILL insist on ignoring the warnings.
Serves them right IMHO!
The law's an ass, there isn't enough police officers to enforce laws like this, or there soon won't be, they cant get to burglaries never mind smoke bombs. We haven't enough fans, we need to be recruiting not banning kids for polluting!
People like you are just as bad, if not worse than the perpetrators. Do you reckon the young kid and his dad who were hit by the smoke bomb will come back? Or don't they matter?
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:chair:So instead of punishing them, they are relieved from watching the sh*te we will continue to have to watch for the next two-years.
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Cnt believe the club keep letting them all stand too... need a good clamp down.
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Let them stand at the back if they want, there's 1500 spare seats in that end if people want a seat with a good view.
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We haven't got enough fans to be banning them for petty things like this. Health & safety gone mad!
Free the Black Bank 2 !! :scarf:
They broke the law, and have brought potential further punishment on the club from the authorities following previous pyro incidents.
The club has widely publicised that pyros are not tolerated at the stadium yet folks STILL insist on ignoring the warnings.
Serves them right IMHO!
The law's an ass, there isn't enough police officers to enforce laws like this, or there soon won't be, they cant get to burglaries never mind smoke bombs. We haven't enough fans, we need to be recruiting not banning kids for polluting!
Then by your exact same logic, the law against burglary is also an ass as according to you there isn't enough police to enforce that either. :/
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Cnt believe the club keep letting them all stand too... need a good clamp down.
I know, standing at a football match. They'll be singing in the stands next if we let em.
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And for the record, the stewards WERE doing something about standing last night. Anyone who was standing in front of someone who was sitting were asked to either sit down or move to the back of the stand (where they were accepted to stand). Very sensible it was and it worked.
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We haven't got enough fans to be banning them for petty things like this. Health & safety gone mad!
Free the Black Bank 2 !! :scarf:
They broke the law, and have brought potential further punishment on the club from the authorities following previous pyro incidents.
The club has widely publicised that pyros are not tolerated at the stadium yet folks STILL insist on ignoring the warnings.
Serves them right IMHO!
The law's an ass, there isn't enough police officers to enforce laws like this, or there soon won't be, they cant get to burglaries never mind smoke bombs. We haven't enough fans, we need to be recruiting not banning kids for polluting!
Then by your exact same logic, the law against burglary is also an ass as according to you there isn't enough police to enforce that either. :/
Not really, it infers that due to lack of police that the police would have to prioritize, the comment was tongue in cheek as you might notice by the shitty rhyme at the end. Anyway I apologise to anyone who I may of offended for trivializing the subject. I do not a want to encourage pyros and do not agree with the policy of cutting the police force but that's 'off topic' so I apologise again.
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Two fans banned over smoke bombs at Doncaster Rovers v Leeds United game (http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/two-fans-banned-over-smoke-bombs-at-doncaster-rovers-v-leeds-united-game-1-7410873)
Correct decision. Hopefully the Black Bank will pull through this and the idiot minority will think twice for the next home game.
Name and shame them.
COYR
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We haven't got enough fans to be banning them for petty things like this. Health & safety gone mad!
Free the Black Bank 2 !! :scarf:
They broke the law, and have brought potential further punishment on the club from the authorities following previous pyro incidents.
The club has widely publicised that pyros are not tolerated at the stadium yet folks STILL insist on ignoring the warnings.
Serves them right IMHO!
The law's an ass, there isn't enough police officers to enforce laws like this, or there soon won't be, they cant get to burglaries never mind smoke bombs. We haven't enough fans, we need to be recruiting not banning kids for polluting!
No, the law isn't an ass.
There are reasons why they are illegal :facepalm:
Pyros in enclosed spaces are dangerous.
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Agreed, don't let them off indoors.
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I take it you don't know anyone, young or old or whatever, who is asthmatic? Or might be affected by smoke in the eyes. Plus these things are hot and can cause injuries if thrown etc..
(over reaction deleted)
by the way "beast" go read the black bank thread - how would you feel if it was YOUR kid needing paramedic treatment?
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Keyboard warrior :zzz:
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If you read back through the posts I have said that I do not encourage the use of Pyros. It is you that is sending insults from behind your laptop.
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We haven't got enough fans to be banning them for petty things like this. Health & safety gone mad!
Free the Black Bank 2 !! :scarf:
We haven't enough fans, we need to be recruiting not banning kids for polluting!
Agreed, don't let them off indoors.
Which bits of your quotes show you DON'T advocate pyros?
"free the black bank 2" perhaps, or going on about "not banning kids for polluting"?
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We haven't got enough fans to be banning them for petty things like this. Health & safety gone mad!
Free the Black Bank 2 !! :scarf:
They broke the law, and have brought potential further punishment on the club from the authorities following previous pyro incidents.
The club has widely publicised that pyros are not tolerated at the stadium yet folks STILL insist on ignoring the warnings.
Serves them right IMHO!
The law's an ass, there isn't enough police officers to enforce laws like this, or there soon won't be, they cant get to burglaries never mind smoke bombs. We haven't enough fans, we need to be recruiting not banning kids for polluting!
Then by your exact same logic, the law against burglary is also an ass as according to you there isn't enough police to enforce that either. :/
Not really, it infers that due to lack of police that the police would have to prioritize, the comment was tongue in cheek as you might notice by the shitty rhyme at the end. Anyway I apologise to anyone who I may of offended for trivializing the subject. I do not a want to encourage pyros and do not agree with the policy of cutting the police force but that's 'off topic' so I apologise again.
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I understand there illegal, but do we really need to be banning fans when were struggling to get people to turn up as it is, just give them a slap on the rist and put them on a watch list or something, im sure therea other ways around it other than banning people for good.
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That was my point Wheatley, I'm sure we've all done things wrong in the past with the exception of IDM. Educate and integrate these boys back into the DRFC family and maybe one day they will be upright members of society and bring their kids and grandkids to this club we love so dearly.
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We haven't got enough fans to be banning them for petty things like this. Health & safety gone mad!
Free the Black Bank 2 !! :scarf:
They broke the law, and have brought potential further punishment on the club from the authorities following previous pyro incidents.
The club has widely publicised that pyros are not tolerated at the stadium yet folks STILL insist on ignoring the warnings.
Serves them right IMHO!
The law's an ass, there isn't enough police officers to enforce laws like this, or there soon won't be, they cant get to burglaries never mind smoke bombs. We haven't enough fans, we need to be recruiting not banning kids for polluting!
Then by your exact same logic, the law against burglary is also an ass as according to you there isn't enough police to enforce that either. :/
Not really, it infers that due to lack of police that the police would have to prioritize, the comment was tongue in cheek as you might notice by the shitty rhyme at the end. Anyway I apologise to anyone who I may of offended for trivializing the subject. I do not a want to encourage pyros and do not agree with the policy of cutting the police force but that's 'off topic' so I apologise again.
Sorry, lost that bit amongst everything else. But your other posts gave the appearance of trivialising pyros. That's what wound me up.
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Pyros in a confined space have proved to be dangerous, so it is right to ban them for the safety of all fans. If fans bring pyros to the ground then they are putting themselves and fellow fans in danger by setting off pyros. They must be banned, and culprits banned from the ground.
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That was my point Wheatley, I'm sure we've all done things wrong in the past with the exception of IDM. Educate and integrate these boys back into the DRFC family and maybe one day they will be upright members of society and bring their kids and grandkids to this club we love so dearly.
No one's perfect.. But the use of pyros has been repeatedly warned against..
The great work of the black bank to generate a better atmosphere, whether all fans join in or not, could be easily undone by the actions of a few selfish individuals.
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No probs IDM, I apologise, maybe I was been a bit cantankerous, at the end of the day we're all Rovers!
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No probs IDM, I apologise, maybe I was been a bit cantankerous, at the end of the day we're all Rovers!
And I have deleted my over reaction - sorry.
I want a successful team supported by a great atmosphere. Had last night seen the first use of pyros by our fans then yes, a proverbial slap on the wrist would suffice.
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I'm buzzing my tits of with the atmosphere can I call it the cop are creating, can't you stop talking about pyros the more you talk the more attention you give these guys with them nothing like publicity?
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Lets not call it a kop, just the black bank!!
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sorry Wheatley just going back to my youth
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I understand there illegal, but do we really need to be banning fans when were struggling to get people to turn up as it is, just give them a slap on the rist and put them on a watch list or something, im sure therea other ways around it other than banning people for good.
According to the club statement they had already been warned, and signed an ASB statement regarding their conduct, you can only do so much.
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Then they received the correct treatment. Those advocating 99 years penal servitude etc. really do need to lighten up. I don't know the lads in question but I take it they will be educated as to the effects on others of their behaviour. The bans ought to sort out the lads behaviour and serve as a warning to others. To be frozen out of watching your team play at home for 2 seasons is a difficult pill to swallow in itself.
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I very much hope they're prevented from buying tickets from the KM for away matches too. The club will not be immune from penal action if they're used by our support in someone else's stadium.
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It depends on the type of banning order. One issued through the courts will apply to all and every game of football, plus the handing in of your passport when England play away. A club ban is much harder to regulate.
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It's not as though these individuals had not been warned that the club would take action, the Copps video on the big screen ran last year as well as this season. There has been no end of chatter on the forums and Facebook about it ever since the incident at Frickley. If we don't ban them, make an example of someone, when do those supporting these individuals not to be ban think it will end and people will stop letting off pyro's?
COYR
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For all those advocating giving these numbskulls a warning, can I ask how many warnings you think they should get? 3? 4? 5?................unlimited?