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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: les@donr on March 12, 2016, 03:51:32 pm
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Fergie must be now regretting taking the Rovers job, given the current shambles how long will it be before he says enough is enough and walks out. If our bad run continues for 3/4 more games, I think then he will throw in the towel. Gavin Strachan will become interim manager.
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Why would he walk and do himself out of a 12 month pay packet?
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The club is in such a shambles, it is not even worth the money to stay around. I'm sure he could get himself a good deal elsewhere. He has connections, so does his father.
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Not even a shot on target apparently. He must be starting to think they are not listening to him.
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An after his team talk, we go and let another in straight away.
Pathetic.
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He's the manager and should be held accountable For what happens on the pitch. If he can't motivate them then he should go... The players are good enough for this division, you've got to ask yourself why they aren't playing for him at the moment
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He's the manager and should be held accountable For what happens on the pitch. If he can't motivate them then he should go... The players are good enough for this division, you've got to ask yourself why they aren't playing for him at the moment
Very good question Jenny, I wonder if we ever get an answer, because it is key to everything that is going wrong at the moment. Perhaps you should put the question to our CEO and see what he has to say. He has been silent of late!
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He shouldn't be allowed to walk, he needs sacking!
COYR
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I don't see why everyone
He's the manager and should be held accountable For what happens on the pitch. If he can't motivate them then he should go... The players are good enough for this division, you've got to ask yourself why they aren't playing for him at the moment
Very good question Jenny, I wonder if we ever get an answer, because it is key to everything that is going wrong at the moment. Perhaps you should put the question to our CEO and see what he has to say. He has been silent of late!
What happens on the training ground and pitch is nothing to do with the CEO. Ferguson was employed to manage the team and he is doing a very poor job of it at the minute.
Those players are good enough to win games, simple as that.
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Don't think it would be a big loss if he walked
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I don't see why everyone He's the manager and should be held accountable For what happens on the pitch. If he can't motivate them then he should go... The players are good enough for this division, you've got to ask yourself why they aren't playing for him at the moment
Very good question Jenny, I wonder if we ever get an answer, because it is key to everything that is going wrong at the moment. Perhaps you should put the question to our CEO and see what he has to say. He has been silent of late!
The CEO was involved in the hiring of Fergie, and responsible for the day to day running of the club including the playing side. Fergie would have to report to him. So it would be appropriate for you to ask Gavin your question.
What happens on the training ground and pitch is nothing to do with the CEO. Ferguson was employed to manage the team and he is doing a very poor job of it at the minute.
Those players are good enough to win games, simple as that.
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Those who were involved in the hiring of Fergie have to accept their responsibility of the current shambles on the pitch. Though the buck stops at the managers feet.
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Don't think it would be a big loss if he walked
If he does,no more scottish managers please.
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lets be honest, didnt expect anything today from the game. results in our favour also.
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lets be honest, didnt expect anything today from the game. results in our favour also.
Aye, nowts changed at the bottom
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The whole season has been a shambles.
Firstly we started with a manager who had proved he wasn't good enough, he shouldn't have been here. But he was, and lumbered us with some of the shitest players we've had for years.
Secondly, after he was finally dismissed the time it took to replace him was a farce. In my opinion we hoped Jones did well so we could appoint the cheap option although I'm sure I will get shot down for that.
Fergie did well to go on any run at all with this team, they've now just gone back to their pre Fergie selves and his 2 form players (grant and Williams) have turned shite.
His call to get rid of Jones, wellens, Forrester though...I do believe we could do with them now.
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Jones and Wellens were potential replacements to Fegie and could challenge him, so they had to go to allow Fergie to rule the Dressing Room, Forrester was a show boating pony, certainly would not need him at the moment. I wonder if the players resent Fergie for letting Wellens, and maybe more crucially Jones go?
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Fergie can't manage anywhere other than Peterborough.
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I think Fergie could've used Jones to his advantage. Wellens had previously proven himself to have a negative effect on players and forrester hadn't played well in a while, so both good decisions to let them go.
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Fergie can't manage anywhere other than Peterborough.
His second coming at Peterboro' didn't go very well, he was sacked last February.
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Fergie must be now regretting taking the Rovers job, given the current shambles how long will it be before he says enough is enough and walks out. If our bad run continues for 3/4 more games, I think then he will throw in the towel. Gavin Strachan will become interim manager.
I imagine fergie has a lot more character than many in here, he will want to put it right not give up like is all too common within this forum
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He's the manager and should be held accountable For what happens on the pitch. If he can't motivate them then he should go... The players are good enough for this division, you've got to ask yourself why they aren't playing for him at the moment
Some of the players are good enough for this division, but some are League 2 at best.
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The real question is - how long will it be before he realises that the name Taylor-Sinclair should never appear in a Rovers' line-up?
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Fergie must be now regretting taking the Rovers job, given the current shambles how long will it be before he says enough is enough and walks out. If our bad run continues for 3/4 more games, I think then he will throw in the towel. Gavin Strachan will become interim manager.
I imagine fergie has a lot more character than many in here, he will want to put it right not give up like is all too common within this forum
Never mind the forum users,whats more worrying is the players seem to have given up.
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The end of the game today maybe shows they haven't, a good 20 mins and a goal could be what we need for sat
Saturday is a big game
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The end of the game today maybe shows they haven't, a good 20 mins and a goal could be what we need for sat
Saturday is a big game
Lets hope your right. We're desperate to take an early lead in a game.
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He might walk after next week's game, especially if we get a tonking.
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He's not walking ffs - you've posted the same thing about 20 times in the space of 2 hours. Hardly any manager ever walks out of a job because they are so rare. The job is to stay up, and we've got a decent chance of doing that.
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Are you hoping he walks away?
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He's not walking ffs - you've posted the same thing about 20 times in the space of 2 hours. Hardly any manager ever walks out of a job because they are so rare. The job is to stay up, and we've got a decent chance of doing that.
How many more defeats do you think Fergie can take before he says, I can't turnaround this team, and decides to walk?
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He won't walk. Why on earth would he? Get over it already!
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I can think of a lot of reasons why he would go and less as to why he should stay. He will come to a point where he will know he can do no more, and accept that the team is not good enough to stay in this division. I think then, he will walk. For what it's worth, I would be very surprised if the Board would sack him, after all they were very confident when they appointed him, that they had the right man to turnaround Rovers fortunes, it would look as if they had made a mistake in appointing him, if they were then to fire him.
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Why are you so obsessed with what Fergie might do.How the hell do you know what he thinks.
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What are all these reasons why he would walk? I'm intrigued
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Its the end of his managerial career if he walks. He had the disaster at Preston and left Peterborough on the slide. This was his chance to renew and rebuild his career and walking away because the team he has prepared are having a bad run and he cant change it - who would employ him after that!
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When has any manager in living memory ever "walked"? Managers have left to go to other (better) clubs or quit due to ill health, but does anybody just walk due to crap results? Just fantasy to think anyone, let alone someone like Ferguson who carries the weight of his dad's reputation on his shoulders, would do this.
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I have a memory like a goldfish but there MUST be loads
Google led me to many such as this one :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34437620
There were lots of others who were not sick and who just "left" for no other Club in particular
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Looks like Aitor Karanka is about to walk out of Middlesbrough. He's told the players he no longer wants to coach them!
Although I doubt Fergie will follow suit - at least before the end of the season.
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You learn more as a manager when you are struggling, about yourself and the players.
I think he got a touch arrogant like many of ourselves were when he came in and winning wasn't a problem. He made the same mistake we did he thought the job was near enough done, and he could let players go not in his plans, and have a look at players with a view to next season.
The problem is we should have known better after the championship relegation, but he is an experienced manager, and i think if he was being truthful, though they were not in his plans, he would be thinking should i have held onto them until the summer?.
Many of us were not that bothered when he let these players go!, and what's happened is relegation, has slowly crept up on us, every season there is one team that gets dragged into a fight, when they looked safe.
When you start dismantling teams, you do have to get rid of them when you can, and the problem is he has been trying to clear the problems away for next season, and has just realised it's not over yet.
If you let vast experience go all at once like that, then usually you replace it, but when you are a manager who has come in to rebuild a side, you wouldn't want to be signing players that you don't want full time.
Experienced players will be wanting one or two year contracts, unless they don't have a club, they aren't going to want a few months contract.
So he has taken a big gamble, to bring more potential energy and youth into the side, and hope the experience in there is sufficient.
It's a big call, we wanted a manager who made decisions, let's see if he is proven right in the end, as i suspect!.
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What concerns me is that the team have disappeared in every big derby or relegation game since Xmas. If we lie on sat then we are down and it's time to start shouting to sack the board
It's getting very close to questioning if the board are up to the task of running a football club and over the last 6 seasons or so it is looking v doubtful indeed
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When has any manager in living memory ever "walked"? Managers have left to go to other (better) clubs or quit due to ill health, but does anybody just walk due to crap results? Just fantasy to think anyone, let alone someone like Ferguson who carries the weight of his dad's reputation on his shoulders, would do this.
Chris, you've hit the nail on the head, DF has all along tried to live up to his dad's reputation and failed, not able to get from under the shadow he tries to try again and uses the Ferguson name to get him jobs which he would not have got without it. Now he might be seeing he cannot be his dad, he has to be himself, that might mean walking away from football management. Perhaps his experience at Rovers has just made that clear to him.
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I'm sorry but that maybe the most absurd post I've ever read on this forum,
How on earth do you know, that he's been trying to live up to his dad's reputation? How on earth do you know he has only got jobs because of his name?
Walk away from football because he can't be his dad?
Now I've read some shite on here but this is a cracker
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I wouldn't want fergie to walk out but I think hes got to tell the board back me or sack me,dont come out with the line our budget is as good as anybodys in this league because its not.If fergie should go theres people above him should go,3 seasons now all downhill with no sign it might stop.they have ruined the rugby club and well on the way to doing the same to the football club.When Richardson was here everyone new what he wanted what does the owners want now.As I said previously the chairmans rise to fame was to get a company ready for a buyout,maybe that's is job now because he certainly doesn't respond to the position the team and club are in.
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Ruined the rugby club, how have you come up with that one
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What concerns me is that the team have disappeared in every big derby or relegation game since Xmas. If we lie on sat then we are down and it's time to start shouting to sack the board
It's getting very close to questioning if the board are up to the task of running a football club and over the last 6 seasons or so it is looking v doubtful indeed
Who is going to sack the board?
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Under the same ownership dickos 1 win last season very good,same amount rovers have had this year
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I know they are, but they haven't ruined them,
Dons fans are very excited about this season and they've got off to a terrific start
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What concerns me is that the team have disappeared in every big derby or relegation game since Xmas. If we lie on sat then we are down and it's time to start shouting to sack the board
It's getting very close to questioning if the board are up to the task of running a football club and over the last 6 seasons or so it is looking v doubtful indeed
Who is going to sack the board?
Very true. How can you sack the board?
Unless you've got several millions spare and are willing to buy the club.
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There are really only three reasons why a manager would walk out:
1. He had another job offer.
2. He had irreconcilable differences with significant people at the club.
3. He felt he had failed, or couldn't achieve any more with the resources available.
Neither of the first two seem to apply, and 3 would be only likely to happen in the aftermath of relegation. Quitting now would look awful and would reek of leaving a sinking ship.
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What concerns me is that the team have disappeared in every big derby or relegation game since Xmas. If we lie on sat then we are down and it's time to start shouting to sack the board
It's getting very close to questioning if the board are up to the task of running a football club and over the last 6 seasons or so it is looking v doubtful indeed
Who is going to sack the board?
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The problem is that they think we're really happy with everything that they do
On the playing side they have done nothing over the last 6 seasons or so other than let the club go backwards
Very true. How can you sack the board?
Unless you've got several millions spare and are willing to buy the club.
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Is Ferguson going to walk out then?
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Over the last 6 seasons we have done nothing on the playing side?
You need to have a sit down and think
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When has any manager in living memory ever "walked"? Managers have left to go to other (better) clubs or quit due to ill health, but does anybody just walk due to crap results? Just fantasy to think anyone, let alone someone like Ferguson who carries the weight of his dad's reputation on his shoulders, would do this.
Chris, you've hit the nail on the head, DF has all along tried to live up to his dad's reputation and failed, not able to get from under the shadow he tries to try again and uses the Ferguson name to get him jobs which he would not have got without it. Now he might be seeing he cannot be his dad, he has to be himself, that might mean walking away from football management. Perhaps his experience at Rovers has just made that clear to him.
Just remind me Les, where abouts in the world you are? How many games have you actually seen this or even last season?
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To all those who believe no one would buy the club, I understand Crawey have attracted a very wealthy new investor.
If they can, then what is stopping us? Maybe a new investor who could work with who is already there instead of necessarily replacing them?
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This new Crawley owner.
He's set the target of reaching Tier 2 in 8-10 years.
I'm sure you'd be cock-a-hoop with that ambition Frosty.
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This new Crawley owner.
He's set the target of reaching Tier 2 in 8-10 years.
I'm sure you'd be cock-a-hoop with that ambition Frosty.
At least he has a target with a time frame.
What's ours?
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You learn more as a manager when you are struggling, about yourself and the players.
I think he got a touch arrogant like many of ourselves were when he came in and winning wasn't a problem. He made the same mistake we did he thought the job was near enough done, and he could let players go not in his plans, and have a look at players with a view to next season.
The problem is we should have known better after the championship relegation, but he is an experienced manager, and i think if he was being truthful, though they were not in his plans, he would be thinking should i have held onto them until the summer?.
Many of us were not that bothered when he let these players go!, and what's happened is relegation, has slowly crept up on us, every season there is one team that gets dragged into a fight, when they looked safe.
When you start dismantling teams, you do have to get rid of them when you can, and the problem is he has been trying to clear the problems away for next season, and has just realised it's not over yet.
If you let vast experience go all at once like that, then usually you replace it, but when you are a manager who has come in to rebuild a side, you wouldn't want to be signing players that you don't want full time.
Experienced players will be wanting one or two year contracts, unless they don't have a club, they aren't going to want a few months contract.
So he has taken a big gamble, to bring more potential energy and youth into the side, and hope the experience in there is sufficient.
It's a big call, we wanted a manager who made decisions, let's see if he is proven right in the end, as i suspect!.
Great post, bang on the money for me.
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What concerns me is that the team have disappeared in every big derby or relegation game since Xmas. If we lie on sat then we are down and it's time to start shouting to sack the board
It's getting very close to questioning if the board are up to the task of running a football club and over the last 6 seasons or so it is looking v doubtful indeed
Absolutely hilarious, and who do we ask to sack the board? The board? But then who's left to hire the new board? And where do we get it from? The football club boardroom and owners transfer market which i have to assume must exist? But with our crap budget we would probably end up getting in a free transfer board with no experience wouldn't we?
Get a grip man.
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The magazine hedge fund monthly is where you look :rolleyes:
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Wot owner wud u get
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This new Crawley owner.
He's set the target of reaching Tier 2 in 8-10 years.
I'm sure you'd be cock-a-hoop with that ambition Frosty.
At least he has a target with a time frame.
What's ours?
Seven frosty
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Crawley guy is reasonable. Burton are going to be playing there next season and they are arguably no bigger and certainly no better established than Crawley. Whether he can actually get them up is another thing entirely, but they at least have a decent precedent.
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I wouldn't want fergie to walk out but I think hes got to tell the board back me or sack me,dont come out with the line our budget is as good as anybodys in this league because its not.If fergie should go theres people above him should go,3 seasons now all downhill with no sign it might stop.they have ruined the rugby club and well on the way to doing the same to the football club.When Richardson was here everyone new what he wanted what does the owners want now.As I said previously the chairmans rise to fame was to get a company ready for a buyout,maybe that's is job now because he certainly doesn't respond to the position the team and club are in.
Aye, they're well and truely ruined, they won handsomely again today 😀😀😀
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I think the overall plan that the KM2 have is right but they need to understand that like any battle plan, it never survives entirely intact after the first clash with the enemy.
For the longer term sake of their plan and their own credibility (and pockets) they should fire out some short term cash to keep us up. One CB, one CM and one CF. Experienced rather than kids please.
Next season we go back to your plan again and hope it turns out better.
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How can we hope to sign three loan players when we already have four?
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I suppose theoretically we could sign them, but only include 5 in each match day squad
Expensive and not a great signal to the current loan players and their clubs.
I am more interested how long Marosi is out for - do we need a backup keeper?
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I think Marosi should be fit next week.
With a bit of luck we've got Alcock and Coppinger coming back, although Grant may be out.
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Thanks TRB
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Not sure it's expensive as I doubt very much we are paying much in wages for the loan players we have
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Folk don't seem to realise how desperate the situation is for us.
Sending some of our fringe loan players back to their home clubs, or keeping them, is not really a priority issue. Having players on the pitch who can keep us up, is the priority. The only way we can get these players is by paying fairly hefty sums for their loan services until May.
Some decent men in the mould of Tamas, Jones or Brown are what we need now. Our players were literally bouncing off Bradford players yesterday. We need proper blokes for these final dozen or so games. Get them in. Bugger the cost!
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When has any manager in living memory ever "walked"? Managers have left to go to other (better) clubs or quit due to ill health, but does anybody just walk due to crap results? Just fantasy to think anyone, let alone someone like Ferguson who carries the weight of his dad's reputation on his shoulders, would do this.
Chris, you've hit the nail on the head, DF has all along tried to live up to his dad's reputation and failed, not able to get from under the shadow he tries to try again and uses the Ferguson name to get him jobs which he would not have got without it. Now he might be seeing he cannot be his dad, he has to be himself, that might mean walking away from football management. Perhaps his experience at Rovers has just made that clear to him.
Just remind me Les, where abouts in the world you are? How many games have you actually seen this or even last season?
Still waiting Les!
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Dons supporters must be ecstatic filo,when were they last down as low in the rugby league ladder as they are now
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Dons supporters must be ecstatic filo,when were they last down as low in the rugby league ladder as they are now
2012. Next question?
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Why would he walk out of a job?
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If Fergie has learnt anything from his Dad, it would be to not give up when things seem bleak.
He could do with a Mark Robins soon...
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When has any manager in living memory ever "walked"? Managers have left to go to other (better) clubs or quit due to ill health, but does anybody just walk due to crap results? Just fantasy to think anyone, let alone someone like Ferguson who carries the weight of his dad's reputation on his shoulders, would do this.
Chris, you've hit the nail on the head, DF has all along tried to live up to his dad's reputation and failed, not able to get from under the shadow he tries to try again and uses the Ferguson name to get him jobs which he would not have got without it. Now he might be seeing he cannot be his dad, he has to be himself, that might mean walking away from football management. Perhaps his experience at Rovers has just made that clear to him.
Just remind me Les, where abouts in the world you are? How many games have you actually seen this or even last season?
Still waiting Les!
Raven, my location has nothing to do with this discussion. There are many exiles on this board, who due to distance can or cannot attend games, it doesn't make them lesser a supporter. We have as much to add to the discussion to those who attend games week in week out. When I can get back to SY I do try and attend as many games as possible.
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If Fergie has learnt anything from his Dad, it would be to not give up when things seem bleak.
He could do with a Mark Robins soon...
maybe it was Tyson but that may have kick started something. Fingers crossed for next weekend now
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You never give up in football, one bounce of the ball going for you and you are back in the game, we will be alright, don't worry.
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When has any manager in living memory ever "walked"? Managers have left to go to other (better) clubs or quit due to ill health, but does anybody just walk due to crap results? Just fantasy to think anyone, let alone someone like Ferguson who carries the weight of his dad's reputation on his shoulders, would do this.
Chris, you've hit the nail on the head, DF has all along tried to live up to his dad's reputation and failed, not able to get from under the shadow he tries to try again and uses the Ferguson name to get him jobs which he would not have got without it. Now he might be seeing he cannot be his dad, he has to be himself, that might mean walking away from football management. Perhaps his experience at Rovers has just made that clear to him.
Just remind me Les, where abouts in the world you are? How many games have you actually seen this or even last season?
Still waiting Les!
Raven, my location has nothing to do with this discussion. There are many exiles on this board, who due to distance can or cannot attend games, it doesn't make them lesser a supporter. We have as much to add to the discussion to those who attend games week in week out. When I can get back to SY I do try and attend as many games as possible.
So you are discussing this topic based on what?
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Raven, I do not have to justify to you or anyone why and what I post on this forum. I do not do that to others.
My views are my views, I can base them on detailed research or on a whim, that doesn't matter, neither should they to you.
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You never give up in football, one bounce of the ball going for you and you are back in the game, we will be alright, don't worry.
Someone or other has posted something similar every week for about five weeks now.
Nothing has changed.......well.....apart from the fact that we are even deeper in now than we were five weeks ago. :facepalm:
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Not quite as deep as the hole they dug outside your house at the weekend. Bet you really are a happy hound
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Having endured the Raven Inquisition. Now back on topic. DF has had 4 defeats on a row, who was the last Rovers manager to experience such a losing run? My guess is it has to be SOD?
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Possibly Saunders in 2011/12.
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I wonder if there is something about DF's style of management that rubs people the wrong way? He started well at Preston, then it went pear shape, and same on his return to Peterboro' and now at Rovers? Is he an abrasive man manager with the players? Maybe some no longer want to play for him, whereas when he first arrived all the players wanted to impress him and would play to their best, this is simply speculation on my part without any knowledge or evidence. However, there must be something seriously wrong going on with the team and management staff for us to be win-less since January 2nd.
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I do wonder if Ferguson has lost some faith in his ability which is effecting his decison making? Also I wonder if some of the memories of Posh getting relegated on the last day are still lingering in his mind.
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DD, I agree, also the point I was making is that there seems to be a similar pattern of Fergie's club management experience that has repeated itself on three occasions, I was simply asking the answer why?
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Dons supporters must be ecstatic filo,when were they last down as low in the rugby league ladder as they are now
2012. Next question?
Thanks for that BST, I'm sure acko will have another misinformed straw to clutch at 😀
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Having endured the Raven Inquisition. Now back on topic. DF has had 4 defeats on a row, who was the last Rovers manager to experience such a losing run? My guess is it has to be SOD?
If you thought that was an inquisition wait till I really get started :evil. I'll be getting the comfy chair and soft pillows out next.
I was questioning your negativity on this and a number of other topics recently and was asking what you were basing it on. No you don't have to justify yourself to me or any one else on the forum which is quite right. I'm just glad you haven't had to witness the disaster that this season is turning into 1st hand, who knows what you would have been posting if you had
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Having endured the Raven Inquisition. Now back on topic. DF has had 4 defeats on a row, who was the last Rovers manager to experience such a losing run? My guess is it has to be SOD?
If you thought that was an inquisition wait till I really get started :evil. I'll be getting the comfy chair and soft pillows out next.
I was questioning your negativity on this and a number of other topics recently and was asking what you were basing it on. No you don't have to justify yourself to me or any one else on the forum which is quite right. I'm just glad you haven't had to witness the disaster that this season is turning into 1st hand, who knows what you would have been posting if you had
Raven, I'll leave that to you. Talking of negativity, I've never used the word "disaster", could you care to explain?
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A sudden or calamitous event that seriously affects the functioning of a community which can have human origins. Having actually witnessed the highs and lows of this season unfold I think it is fair to say that relegation would be disaster. I hope you don't just base your negativity on comments made on this or any other forum. I am more than happy to continue this inquisition but perhaps by personal message rather than the forum?
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Raven, I've been there too, remember 1998. This season can't be any worse than that one.
Even if I can't be present I do follow every game and have a good idea on how we've, once you know the Rovers way, you cannot forget it.
My basis of this thread, is how much more beating can Fergie take, before he says enough is enough. From reading his own recent comments written in The Star, he is certainly feeling and showing the pressure of a very bad run. I guess time will tell.
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How long will it be before Fergie walks out?
Let's all say he won't because we will be in league 1 at the end of the season.
On Saturday the eleven players on the field must prove they want this.
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Having endured the Raven Inquisition. Now back on topic. DF has had 4 defeats on a row, who was the last Rovers manager to experience such a losing run? My guess is it has to be SOD?
Dickov in April 2014 and December 2013.
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Having endured the Raven Inquisition. Now back on topic. DF has had 4 defeats on a row, who was the last Rovers manager to experience such a losing run? My guess is it has to be SOD?
Dickov in April 2014 and December 2013.
BST, I did seriously thought of Dickov, but I didn't think he had four defeats in a row. More likely a couple of defeats then a draw, and so on.
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Having endured the Raven Inquisition. Now back on topic. DF has had 4 defeats on a row, who was the last Rovers manager to experience such a losing run? My guess is it has to be SOD?
Dickov in April 2014 and December 2013.
BST, I did seriously thought of Dickov, but I didn't think he had four defeats in a row. More likely a couple of defeats then a draw, and so on.
Unfortunately for DF the four defeats came in league 1 for PD and SOD it was in the Championship.
The common denominator is the worst midfield in 10 years, which he as made worst by the players he has brought in.
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How long will it be before Fergie walks out?
Let's all say he won't because we will be in league 1 at the end of the season.
On Saturday the eleven players on the field must prove they want this.
Surely, if they actually wanted this we wouldn't be in the position we find ourselves. For that reason alone I really can't see why anyone believes it is likely to change.
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Maybe Saturday after a bad result against Peterboro, could be the last straw.
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Maybe Saturday after a bad result against Peterboro, could be the last straw.
It wouldn't solve anything at this stage Les, he will be stronger for it when he gets us to safety, i'm sure it's hit the managers confidence a touch, he hasn't become a terrible manager just because we have lost games.
Whereas when we built him up maybe too much when we were winning, he is getting knocked just as hard now he's losing, he is still the same manager probably doing the same things, it's just the results have gone the other way.
This is where we see how good his man management skills are, whether he can get players performing to their potential, repairing lost confidence, kicking ar..s with some, arm round the shoulder with others, all players are different what motivates them, this run will improve him.
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Sammy, I don't think Fergie is a terrible manager, but it might have lost what he had when he joined us, and will he ever get it back? He seems as desperate as his players and the club. The reality is we could be relegated, if we don't buck the current form we will be relegated. If he thinks he cannot get us out of the hole, I can see him walking, and Gavin Strachan given the job of Caretaker Manager.
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I can see him walking if we lose both the Easter fixtures to rival relegation candidates.
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You're f**king desperate for him to walk, aren't you?
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Even if we got Mourinho we'd still be shite. Let's let him build his own squad in the Summer whatever division were in.
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Would you want to have fired Manager on you CV, or Resigned as Manager of Doncaster Rovers. I think Fergie would rather jump before he is pushed.
If we go down, I think the Board will not make the same mistake with Fergie as with Dickov, keeping a manager who had just relegated us. I think a new manager would come in pre-season.
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The sack is so common these days, nobody is concerned about hiring managers who've been sacked from their last one, two, three jobs. If he resigned he wouldn't get a payout; there's no way he would do so.
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The sack is so common these days, nobody is concerned about hiring managers who've been sacked from their last one, two, three jobs. If he resigned he wouldn't get a payout; there's no way he would do so.
Nick, a very good point, the question could be rephrased. Is Fergie sticking around for his payout, assuming he is going to get sacked, rather than doing the honourable thing for himself and DRFC, and resigning?
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There's no honour or loyalty in football, with maybe an odd exception, it's all about the money
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Even if we got Mourinho we'd still be shite. Let's let him build his own squad in the Summer whatever division were in.
Agreed, we are not historically a hire em, fire em club so give the guy a chance. It would have been easy for Barnsley to sack Lee Johnson during their horrendous run last year but their board held their nerve and I know he has now moved on but the club have been left in a much better state.
The ultimate example of not sacking working is of course Fergie Senior but lets gloss over that one shall we. Darren Ferguson IMHO knows what he wants and will get it and if that means taking a step back to take two or three forward so be it. He's not a clueless Dickov, far from it and if we stick with him I think we have some exciting times ahead (after this season)!!
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The sack is so common these days, nobody is concerned about hiring managers who've been sacked from their last one, two, three jobs. If he resigned he wouldn't get a payout; there's no way he would do so.
Nick, a very good point, the question could be rephrased. Is Fergie sticking around for his payout, assuming he is going to get sacked, rather than doing the honourable thing for himself and DRFC, and resigning?
Our team at the minute is like a sinking rubber dingy, Ferguson has plenty of buckets but when he bales one side out, another leak appears!.
He won't even be thinking of the sack as a manager you can't control that. He will be working hard on restoring confidence, encouraging building of team spirit and hopefully practising to iron out the wrinkles that are all over the team.
Every department of the team isn't functioning properly, the two strikers are as good as it gets in this league, but have measly goal return for the talent they have.
He has a midfield that no matter which combination he puts together can't control games. He has wingers not producing good crosses consistently.
The central midfielders aren't getting on the ball and producing enough chances for the strikers, and none of them are getting beyond the strikers into the box.
We have problems at the back, not enough pace, defenders who can read a game, no dominance in the air. Defenders who get caught out positionally, and full backs who are standing off wingers letting them put crosses in, and also all the defenders are too easily beat.
We let far too many in from set pieces but have no threat when we go forward, with either a direct free kick or centre halves going up and chipping a goal in or two.
We have a goal keeper who is prone to rushes of blood. Slow around the area, reflexes let him down at times, not great on crosses, a keeper who hasn't any confidence in himself and his defence also feel same way about him.
So if he hasn't enough to be going on with there there's something wrong. Being sacked i can't see him having much time to think about it!.
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Les
You don't get the football manager psyche do you?
He's not plotting an exit. He has a rock-solid belief in his own omnipotence. In his ability, even now, to justify my faith that we would finish top half this season.
He will be thinking.
a) We will not go down
b) If we do, it's not my fault, it's the squad I inherited.
c) Whichever league we are in next year, I will lead this club to promotion.
At least he'll be thinking that during the daytime. Maybe not at 3am...
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What is really worrying are all the comments regarding this not being his team and giving him the opportunity to build his own squad during the summer.
If his record of loan signings he has made whilst he has been with us are anything to go by, I fear the worst.
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And if the next manager can't get a win?
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What is really worrying are all the comments regarding this not being his team and giving him the opportunity to build his own squad during the summer.
If his record of loan signings he has made whilst he has been with us are anything to go by, I fear the worst.
Agreed, his signings have been very average and it doesn't matter that some players are Dickov signings, it is Fergie who sets the game plan and instructs them on what he wants to do.
I may be wrong but in the current team, Stuckman , Tyson,Williams, Evina, Butler and McCullough were all Divkov signings ( I think) and most of them would be in the team if we were picking it.
ATS probably wouldn't be in it.
Gooch and Grant(now gone), Lecygne, Allcock and Stewart were brought in by Fergie whilst Copps has been here for years and Lund and Mdcleton progressed through the ranks.
That is about it, so it is now far from being a case of Fergie being asked to work with a crap bunch of players signed by a previous manager.
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So 3 out of nine make it a team of DF's choosing?
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Agreed, we are not historically a hire em, fire em club
U WOT M8?!
Historically we're probably the biggest "hire em and fire em" club in the Football League.
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Before the 'modern' era definitely the case. I think when I looked at it last Paul Dickov was the 8th or 9th longest serving DRFC manager in history. Which tells you all you need to know.
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We went through a lot of managers in the Richardson era.
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And in the Hubert Bates era. After Peter Doherty left, managers were lucky if they got more than one season.
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So 3 out of nine make it a team of DF's choosing?
You didn't read properly what I had written did you?
I said that Fergie hadn't been asked to work with a crap bunch of players signed by a previous manager given that six out of seven Dickov signings would probably be picked by most fans.
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Fergie took the job knowing the players he was inheriting from PD. So he has no excuses as to the quality of the squad. Perhaps his style of football doesn't work with the players he has got, and he hasn't another Game-plan?
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Tonight, after today's showing.
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he won't walk, the board will have to sack him if he's to leave
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Tonight, after today's showing.
If not tonight then never.
Will he be sacked?
I doubt it, who the fcuk would take it now?
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Put Gavin Strachan in charge for the rest of the season, he can't do any worse.
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Strachan is very much part of Fergie's staff, if he goes then so does Gavin. Why have somebody with the same philosophy take over? We need a total clear out.
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Put Gavin Strachan in charge for the rest of the season, he can't do any worse.
On the basis put Donny Dog in charge....he can do no worse.
(and knows what a lead is too)....sorry :chair:
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Strachan is very much part of Fergie's staff, if he goes then so does Gavin. Why have somebody with the same philosophy take over? We need a total clear out.
Strachan was manager at Ilkeston, he will have his own ideas and probably differ alot from Fergie.
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I just think we need a totally fresh set of eyes on this club, it hasn't worked with Fergie and friends. Seldom does a club replace a failing manager with his own established assistant and do any better.
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Atkins took over from Laws at Scunny and did a decent job, it can work.
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Fergie has to walk on Monday at 5pm if we get another beating from a fellow relegation rival. There will be nowhere for him to hide. I'm sure the crowd will call for him to go.
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I am guessing that the Fergie banner won't be getting an airing on Monday then?
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Hound, what banner?
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I am guessing that is tongue in cheek.....
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Fergie has to walk on Monday at 5pm if we get another beating from a fellow relegation rival. There will be nowhere for him to hide. I'm sure the crowd will call for him to go.
f**king hell he isn't going to walk! Jesus wept.
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Can't be too long, what has he to hang around for? The damage is done.
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Les. For the millionth time. What he has to hang around for is his money. If he walks he forfeits it. Not going to happen.
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Fergie doesn't need the money.
Whether he will walk or not, I don't care. He shouldn't be given the option anymore.
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Les he won't walk he's on a years rolling contract, if the board decide to sack him they have to pay him one years salary from that day.
It's up to the owners now and they have failed to get many decisions right in the last three years, apart from Club Doncaster.
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If they, the board were going to sack him, I'm pretty sure he would have gone by now, I suspect he will be here for the start of next season.
COYR
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Les he won't walk he's on a years rolling contract, if the board decide to sack him they have to pay him one years salary from that day.
It's up to the owners now and they have failed to get many decisions right in the last three years, apart from Club Doncaster.
We could make him and Strachan redundant. It's clear that there is presently no need for a Manager at the club. The players might as well pick themselves.
And we've done this before, remember.
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I wasn't impressed with him refusing to comment on the question put to him in his radio sheff interview today. He was asked if he'd had assurances from the board about his position.
I appreciate him not wanting to go into that area, however, at a time like this certainty is a good thing, simply saying something along the lines of "everything is good between me and the board, we're working hard to do our best this season and looking forward to next season...".
I could read into his lack of replying, but the fact is he left it open. Not good.
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Maybe but I agree with his point that he should just be talking about the game, straight after the game