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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: PopStander on April 04, 2016, 10:18:49 am
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Did he really design the away top or is it Rovers trying to get publicity??
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Latest April Fools ever.
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There is no way he got his colouring pencils out and designed a Rovers kit!!
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Fixed
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I saw that earlier and assumed it was some kind of April Fool's joke. Then I saw this... http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/top-of-the-tops-3041239.aspx (http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/top-of-the-tops-3041239.aspx)
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I thought it was a publicity stunt when I first saw it but reading that article I'm honestly not sure now!
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It definitely is a publicity stunt, and quite a clever one IMO.
No. 1. It gets LT back inside the proverbial tent pissing out. He seemed to take umbrage after his mate Dickov got the bullet.
No. 2. It explains the design. Grey and black doesn't look great as a footy strip. But think back to the Man United grey kit. It was chosen because it goes well with jeans, leggings etc.
No. 3. Expect massive orders for those grey jobbies with "Tomlinson 28" pre-printed on the back. Not from Donny fans but from Directioners. The Thais will be rubbing their hands and it is probably what sealed the deal.
If only we could apply this sort of thinking to the football side...
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It could only be a publicity stunt IF they'd mentioned it before the vote, though. No-one knew about it and it, presumably, didn't sway the vote (unless LT mentioned it before). Unless they rigged it (which I mention not because I think that they did, but it is a possibility), it's a case of no harm no foul... Reaction on Twitter is mixed, as you would expect from the keyboard warriors.
As long as it's a happy coincidence and it sells a few extra shirts, it's cool. It's also great to see LT still doing his bit for the club. He ain't my cup of tea, but every little helps.
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The only reason I question whether it was a publicity stunt is because (being involved) I know the club were very careful to comply with proper competition rules (because there was a proper prize).
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Which is why, I think, that this has been handled the way it has. Seems to have been done properly and all seems above board. Fair play, etc. To be honest, the way the club's handling it now is reasonably muted - can't argue with that.
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It seems that way Lipsy. To the best of my knowledge this is genuinely LT's design and he did enter the competition. Whether he did that directly or through his granddad (who seems more of the rovers fan) I don't know.
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Well, a few people think otherwise it appears. Still, I think that the marketing folks at Donny Rovers could have made A LOT more noise about this if they'd wanted to hawk a few more shirts to teenage girls.
Either way, if it does sell a few more shirts because a pop star has been involved then it benefits the club. And that's a good thing, right? Seriously, I think some folks out there need to chill out a bit and look at the bigger picture.
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must be hard to swallow for all those keyboard warriors that (unknowingly) voted for his kit but also criticise anything to do with Louis Tomlinson :lol:
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I just think that people forget that the club is a business. A business that is presumably under the threat of losing revenue next season and all that comes with it (maybe a loss of jobs and, certainly, reduced player budget, etc). There's plenty to suggest that the club hasn't acted improperly here, but you would have thought that people would just be pleased that it is looking to milk what it can to generate additional revenue and/or publicity. It might not amount to much, but it all helps.
And besides, I quite like the away shirt... :chair:
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Only Rovers fans could moan at the marketing dept not doing enough, and then moan when they pull a marketing rabbit out of the hat!
Who gives a shit who designed it?
If all the 1 d'ers buy a shirt we'll be quids in
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I'm safe, I voted for the green and white chequered shirt which affectionately became known as the tea towel shirt. I generally think green and white are the best colours for the away.
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Honestly, some of the vitriol I have seen elsewhere over this is laughable/embarrassing. You'd think that senior folk from the club had driven 'round to their house and taken a :turd: on their doorstep.
It's Monday, it's a thing, no-one died and - perhaps more importantly - no-one will remember that LT had involvement in this shirt in about a week's time.
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"Awful taste in music"? Is that a fact or just your opinion?
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What is it with Doncaster people who always seem to want to knock someone from our town who has made a success of his/her life?
Jealousy perhaps?
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What is it with Doncaster people who always seem to want to knock someone from our town who has made a success of his/her life?
Jealousy perhaps?
Honestly, we must have the biggest set of miserable moaning t**ts in football!
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Yorkiered, My sentiments exactly, and I've spoke of it on here a few times.
it seems to be an English thing that we don't like winners, and people round here seem to have been hit worse with the condition.
Eddie 'The Eagle' Edwards - Much loved because he's crap at what he does.
Steve 'Boring' Davis - Described as boring because he was a constant winner.
Frank Bruno - Much loved when he'd won now't, then ridiculed once he was World Champion.
Locally we have;
John Parr - Local lad, must be shit
Louis Tomlinson - local lad, must be shit
Please by all means contribute........
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I don't particularly care for his music but I don't begrudge him any success or look disparagingly at his fans.
I am however livid that a genuine fan has been denied the chance to win a fantastic prize in aid of this publicity stunt. Every competition I've ever seen has a clause stating that it can't be entered by anyone associated with the company, its employees or their immediate families. Being registered as a player makes him a club employee (last season at least, if not this).
I would have had no objection to a "third" kit being designed by LT or his family. It would actually be a great marketing stunt but the away kit was meant to be a competition for the fans. I'm not saying that the club fixed it (I'll leave that speculation to others) but the moment that the club got wind of any involvement they should've nipped it in the bud and excluded the design from the voting.
It's a massive own goal.
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Part of me thinks stunt the rest thinks great idea. It isn't the worst thing in the world.
Rubbish shirt though which I didn't vote for.
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Thomas Crapper: shite.
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Part of me thinks stunt the rest thinks great idea. It isn't the worst thing in the world.
Rubbish shirt though which I didn't vote for.
Not as rubbish as the new home shirt though. imho of course
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I am however livid that a genuine fan has been denied the chance to win a fantastic prize in aid of this publicity stunt. Every competition I've ever seen has a clause stating that it can't be entered by anyone associated with the company, its employees or their immediate families. Being registered as a player makes him a club employee (last season at least, if not this).
I would have had no objection to a "third" kit being designed by LT or his family. It would actually be a great marketing stunt but the away kit was meant to be a competition for the fans. I'm not saying that the club fixed it (I'll leave that speculation to others) but the moment that the club got wind of any involvement they should've nipped it in the bud and excluded the design from the voting.
It's a massive own goal.
I can't see it being a publicity stunt as nothing was known about who designed the kits before the voting, and even after, until now. It was all confidential.
I don't know about the "no employees rule", but I cannot see how genuine fans had been denied the chance to win? there were 4 other away shirts to vote for, and 5 home ones. So 9 more fans in the mix (unless anyone got 2 shortlisted).
I should know!
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Slagging LT off is just boring. Who gives a f**k really. The real issue here is that grown men actually spent time to design and enter a shirt in this competition. The should all have their hard drives checked immediatly, and reported to Yew Tree.
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I don't particularly care for his music but I don't begrudge him any success or look disparagingly at his fans.
I am however livid that a genuine fan has been denied the chance to win a fantastic prize in aid of this publicity stunt. Every competition I've ever seen has a clause stating that it can't be entered by anyone associated with the company, its employees or their immediate families. Being registered as a player makes him a club employee (last season at least, if not this).
I would have had no objection to a "third" kit being designed by LT or his family. It would actually be a great marketing stunt but the away kit was meant to be a competition for the fans. I'm not saying that the club fixed it (I'll leave that speculation to others) but the moment that the club got wind of any involvement they should've nipped it in the bud and excluded the design from the voting.
It's a massive own goal.
I think you've put the case forward quite succinctly there Mike although I actually think they've run the competition within the rules.
One thing I know of that I would add is that I believe the club still hold the opportunity for the prize for the away kit design to be given away in some form.
Maybe this would be a good opportunity for them to use that option wisely.
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Slagging LT off is just boring. Who gives a f**k really. The real issue here is that grown men actually spent time to design and enter a shirt in this competition. The should all have their hard drives checked immediatly, and reported to Yew Tree.
Do 'grown men' not work in design companies as a day job like?
Sounds like an insecure thing to say.
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I entered the comp. Great chance for a free trip to Thailand!
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Prepare to have your masculinity questioned by the 'real' men among us.
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Thomas Crapper: shite.
His idea went down the pan as soon as locals discovered he lived nearby.
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Flash in the pan... :coat:
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I think the One D bubble might have burst.
There's loads of their merchandise on sale in the Charity shop in Armthorpe at 18p each.
The teeny boppers have moved on.
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Love him or hate him his celebrity status gets publicity for Doncaster Rovers. Surely he cannot be faulted for that.
I don't see much publicity generated for DRFC from the loud mouthed t**t sacked by the BBC
Or from Leslie Garrett either.
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I think the One D bubble might have burst.
There's loads of their merchandise on sale in the Charity shop in Armthorpe at 18p each.
The teeny boppers have moved on.
That'll probably be the stuff which still includes Zayn.
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I'm now hearing LT has given his prize away to charity. I don't know which.
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Did anybody think for one minute that he would actually keep any prize if he managed to win?
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Firstly I feel I need to point out I have no beef with Tomlinson, fair play to the lad for making millions based on his "talents", I wish I'd done the f**ker. Secondly, I didn't enter the kit competition, I have the drawing ability of a bloke with no hands so no "vested interest" on my part that my design had been overlooked.
Lets look at the scenarios:
Louis Tomlinson sat on his grandads knee with his crayons out and coloured in an away kit. He submitted this like the rest of us mere mortals and it landed on the desk of someone at the club. At this stage no one thought, "we're running a competition for normal, run of the mill people to win a once in a lifetime trip to Thailand, surely it'd be inconceivable for a f**kING MILLIONAIRE PLAYBOY POP STAR TO WIN?". It got past this stage. Stage two was most likely reviewing the rules, someone must have thought at some point, "you know what, we best exclude people with a connection to the club let's say the lasses in the ticket office can't enter, lest we're accused of rigging it. How about OUR CELEBRITY SQUAD MEMBER who just over a year ago TRIED TO BUY THE f**kING CLUB? Nah, he's fine." Next stage was for a short list of five to be drawn up, no one at this stage thought "We best let SUPER RICH, A LIST CELEBRITY Louis know that, while we appreciate his crayon work, we can't possibly let him win in place of someone who's never likely to travel past Benidorm".
So now he's won. Little Timmy Snodgrass from Stainey who excitedly drew his kit and who's life experiences so far stretch to a weekend in Seaton Carew won't have that life changing experience and he'll never be able to tell his kids that he designed a Rovers kit. Meanwhile Tomlinson hasn't even bothered to go on his free trip to Thailand (why would he, he's not likely to fly f**king pleb class is he?) and he will file designing a Rovers kit in his memory as "stuff I've done" alongside playing at packed arenas, f**king women most of us would chew our own arms off to touch and earning his last million quid.
Given all this we're to believe that this is all some sort of amazing coincidence? That no one thought that a LT entering was a bit odd or that winning could leave the club with egg on its face? I call absoloute bull shit on that. The club were obviously well aware that LT was likely to win, I dare say they had one eye on potential shirt sales to his rapidly declining fanbase to impress FBT with and fluffed the competition to ensure his kit won. Look at some of the good designs that didn't make the cut such as BJWs or Lee Crofts yet the other four made up of a f**king table cloth and stuff that'd shame Donny Market did? Can anyone remember the reaction by the VSC and on this forum that JR was to enter a kit? People were rightly annoyed and JR has done a metric f**k-ton more for this club than LT is ever likely to.
So, we're left with the conclusion that, either the club are so collectively stupid that they didn't see any issues with LT winning this or they hold the fan base in such contempt that they don't give a f**k what the fans think.
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I stayed in digs in Seaton Carew.
There were no lady boys and exotic food was a burger.
You could get a brown hue from the chemicals at Seal Sands though.
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Firstly I feel I need to point out I have no beef with Tomlinson, fair play to the lad for making millions based on his "talents", I wish I'd done the f**ker. Secondly, I didn't enter the kit competition, I have the drawing ability of a bloke with no hands so no "vested interest" on my part that my design had been overlooked.
Lets look at the scenarios:
Louis Tomlinson sat on his grandads knee with his crayons out and coloured in an away kit. He submitted this like the rest of us mere mortals and it landed on the desk of someone at the club. At this stage no one thought, "we're running a competition for normal, run of the mill people to win a once in a lifetime trip to Thailand, surely it'd be inconceivable for a f**kING MILLIONAIRE PLAYBOY POP STAR TO WIN?". It got past this stage. Stage two was most likely reviewing the rules, someone must have thought at some point, "you know what, we best exclude people with a connection to the club let's say the lasses in the ticket office can't enter, lest we're accused of rigging it. How about OUR CELEBRITY SQUAD MEMBER who just over a year ago TRIED TO BUY THE f**kING CLUB? Nah, he's fine." Next stage was for a short list of five to be drawn up, no one at this stage thought "We best let SUPER RICH, A LIST CELEBRITY Louis know that, while we appreciate his crayon work, we can't possibly let him win in place of someone who's never likely to travel past Benidorm".
So now he's won. Little Timmy Snodgrass from Stainey who excitedly drew his kit and who's life experiences so far stretch to a weekend in Seaton Carew won't have that life changing experience and he'll never be able to tell his kids that he designed a Rovers kit. Meanwhile Tomlinson hasn't even bothered to go on his free trip to Thailand (why would he, he's not likely to fly f**king pleb class is he?) and he will file designing a Rovers kit in his memory as "stuff I've done" alongside playing at packed arenas, f**king women most of us would chew our own arms off to touch and earning his last million quid.
Given all this we're to believe that this is all some sort of amazing coincidence? That no one thought that a LT entering was a bit odd or that winning could leave the club with egg on its face? I call absoloute bull shit on that. The club were obviously well aware that LT was likely to win, I dare say they had one eye on potential shirt sales to his rapidly declining fanbase to impress FBT with and fluffed the competition to ensure his kit won. Look at some of the good designs that didn't make the cut such as BJWs or Lee Crofts yet the other four made up of a f**king table cloth and stuff that'd shame Donny Market did? Can anyone remember the reaction by the VSC and on this forum that JR was to enter a kit? People were rightly annoyed and JR has done a metric f**k-ton more for this club than LT is ever likely to.
So, we're left with the conclusion that, either the club are so collectively stupid that they didn't see any issues with LT winning this or they hold the fan base in such contempt that they don't give a f**k what the fans think.
While I don't necessarily disagree with your post, I just want to point out John Ryan proposed he submit a design something like the day after the deadline for the entries.
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Firstly I feel I need to point out I have no beef with Tomlinson, fair play to the lad for making millions based on his "talents", I wish I'd done the f**ker. Secondly, I didn't enter the kit competition, I have the drawing ability of a bloke with no hands so no "vested interest" on my part that my design had been overlooked.
Lets look at the scenarios:
Louis Tomlinson sat on his grandads knee with his crayons out and coloured in an away kit. He submitted this like the rest of us mere mortals and it landed on the desk of someone at the club. At this stage no one thought, "we're running a competition for normal, run of the mill people to win a once in a lifetime trip to Thailand, surely it'd be inconceivable for a f**kING MILLIONAIRE PLAYBOY POP STAR TO WIN?". It got past this stage. Stage two was most likely reviewing the rules, someone must have thought at some point, "you know what, we best exclude people with a connection to the club let's say the lasses in the ticket office can't enter, lest we're accused of rigging it. How about OUR CELEBRITY SQUAD MEMBER who just over a year ago TRIED TO BUY THE f**kING CLUB? Nah, he's fine." Next stage was for a short list of five to be drawn up, no one at this stage thought "We best let SUPER RICH, A LIST CELEBRITY Louis know that, while we appreciate his crayon work, we can't possibly let him win in place of someone who's never likely to travel past Benidorm".
So now he's won. Little Timmy Snodgrass from Stainey who excitedly drew his kit and who's life experiences so far stretch to a weekend in Seaton Carew won't have that life changing experience and he'll never be able to tell his kids that he designed a Rovers kit. Meanwhile Tomlinson hasn't even bothered to go on his free trip to Thailand (why would he, he's not likely to fly f**king pleb class is he?) and he will file designing a Rovers kit in his memory as "stuff I've done" alongside playing at packed arenas, f**king women most of us would chew our own arms off to touch and earning his last million quid.
Given all this we're to believe that this is all some sort of amazing coincidence? That no one thought that a LT entering was a bit odd or that winning could leave the club with egg on its face? I call absoloute bull shit on that. The club were obviously well aware that LT was likely to win, I dare say they had one eye on potential shirt sales to his rapidly declining fanbase to impress FBT with and fluffed the competition to ensure his kit won. Look at some of the good designs that didn't make the cut such as BJWs or Lee Crofts yet the other four made up of a f**king table cloth and stuff that'd shame Donny Market did? Can anyone remember the reaction by the VSC and on this forum that JR was to enter a kit? People were rightly annoyed and JR has done a metric f**k-ton more for this club than LT is ever likely to.
So, we're left with the conclusion that, either the club are so collectively stupid that they didn't see any issues with LT winning this or they hold the fan base in such contempt that they don't give a f**k what the fans think.
While I don't necessarily disagree with your post, I just want to point out John Ryan proposed he submit a design something like the day after the deadline for the entries.
Grow up.
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How childish of me to suggest that our club value the waning market strength of a has-been pop star above their own moral integrity.
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Wasn't there a year where the fans chose a winning design and then John Ryan ignored it and chose his own anyway? Is that the same as the one you are talking about or a different season?
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Couldn't have said it better than Sad Rovers tbh.
Is the famous minted boy going to Thailand? Hmm.
Also, and I'm not saying this because Lewis Tonkinson designed one of them - both of the shirts that won are awful. They look absolutely rotten.
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I just think each year we've run a kit competition or kit vote we've had at least one problem associated with it. Even last year, which went relatively smoothly, people said the choices on offer were boring. If you're opening the competition up to fans like me you're going to have to expect unprofessional entries. You've also got to take into consideration the criticism that the people who submit designs are going to get afterwards. People voted for my kit entry but it's been universally slated since. Obviously I'm big enough to take that but a young lad or lass might not be.
I would abandon the idea completely in favour of the club putting the design out to a professional organisation to draw up prototypes. Even then there will still be criticism because fashion is a highly subjective thing (yet people still believe their opinions to be right ones). And this is from someone who won.
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Although I imagine you're making a wider point CiM, I don't mind the home design at all, but in the photo's, the actual shirt looks terrible in the flesh.
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Although I imagine you're making a wider point CiM, I don't mind the home design at all, but in the photo's, the actual shirt looks terrible in the flesh.
That's one of the other issues with it mate. The designs people submit are not going to be what the shirts turn out like. It's an unavoidable problem.
It makes me think the club should operate the other way round, work out what can be designed and manufactured first, then do the design second.
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If anyone, wants to support Rovers in anyway, then that should be ok shouldn't it. Now I'm going to assume this was a genuine submission and a genuine vote until someone tells me otherwise.
A cynical pr stunt? Ermm, as pointed out, his popularity, along with his bandmates is on the wane so, it wouldn't be that cynical or tactical would it.
I wonder if there was a other father-son collaboration submitted?
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Firstly I feel I need to point out I have no beef with Tomlinson, fair play to the lad for making millions based on his "talents", I wish I'd done the f**ker. Secondly, I didn't enter the kit competition, I have the drawing ability of a bloke with no hands so no "vested interest" on my part that my design had been overlooked.
Lets look at the scenarios:
Louis Tomlinson sat on his grandads knee with his crayons out and coloured in an away kit. He submitted this like the rest of us mere mortals and it landed on the desk of someone at the club. At this stage no one thought, "we're running a competition for normal, run of the mill people to win a once in a lifetime trip to Thailand, surely it'd be inconceivable for a f**kING MILLIONAIRE PLAYBOY POP STAR TO WIN?". It got past this stage. Stage two was most likely reviewing the rules, someone must have thought at some point, "you know what, we best exclude people with a connection to the club let's say the lasses in the ticket office can't enter, lest we're accused of rigging it. How about OUR CELEBRITY SQUAD MEMBER who just over a year ago TRIED TO BUY THE f**kING CLUB? Nah, he's fine." Next stage was for a short list of five to be drawn up, no one at this stage thought "We best let SUPER RICH, A LIST CELEBRITY Louis know that, while we appreciate his crayon work, we can't possibly let him win in place of someone who's never likely to travel past Benidorm".
So now he's won. Little Timmy Snodgrass from Stainey who excitedly drew his kit and who's life experiences so far stretch to a weekend in Seaton Carew won't have that life changing experience and he'll never be able to tell his kids that he designed a Rovers kit. Meanwhile Tomlinson hasn't even bothered to go on his free trip to Thailand (why would he, he's not likely to fly f**king pleb class is he?) and he will file designing a Rovers kit in his memory as "stuff I've done" alongside playing at packed arenas, f**king women most of us would chew our own arms off to touch and earning his last million quid.
Given all this we're to believe that this is all some sort of amazing coincidence? That no one thought that a LT entering was a bit odd or that winning could leave the club with egg on its face? I call absoloute bull shit on that. The club were obviously well aware that LT was likely to win, I dare say they had one eye on potential shirt sales to his rapidly declining fanbase to impress FBT with and fluffed the competition to ensure his kit won. Look at some of the good designs that didn't make the cut such as BJWs or Lee Crofts yet the other four made up of a f**king table cloth and stuff that'd shame Donny Market did? Can anyone remember the reaction by the VSC and on this forum that JR was to enter a kit? People were rightly annoyed and JR has done a metric f**k-ton more for this club than LT is ever likely to.
So, we're left with the conclusion that, either the club are so collectively stupid that they didn't see any issues with LT winning this or they hold the fan base in such contempt that they don't give a f**k what the fans think.
While I don't necessarily disagree with your post, I just want to point out John Ryan proposed he submit a design something like the day after the deadline for the entries.
Grow up.
Hahaha, what are you on about?
All I'm saying is John Ryan asked if he could enter after the deadline. And it was more than just "the VSC" that disagreed with letting him enter after the deadline.
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If him having an input sells more shirts good, plug it till the end. I can just imagine Terry and Dick in the boardroom listening to ''That's what makes you beautiful''!. :ohmy:
Get Harry Syles flipping the burgers then you older fellas would have something to moan about, loads of kids queueing up for a Harry burger!. :laugh:
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If you didnt submit a design yourself dont complain.
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An argument along the lines of "if you're not a professional footballer don't complain".
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A few fans throw a strop and it's worthy of a newspaper story with all of the other things going off in the world is unbelievable.
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I dont know why the club bother trying to get fans involved with things like this.I would let the shirt manufactures design the shirt and let the players decide.
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I dont know why the club bother trying to get fans involved with things like this.I would let the shirt manufactures design the shirt and let the players decide.
I don't know why they bother running a competition just to gift the prize to a fading pop star at thr expense of a normal fan so they can flog a few shirts to teenage girls in Asia.
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Sad. You've got this social media thing sussed haven't you?
Kick up a shit storm over this and get it in the public eye. Make sure all the lasses in the Far East get to hear about it. We sell millions of shirts and manage to buy the players who will take the Conference by storm the year after next.
Canny. I'm well impressed.
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(http://i.imgur.com/IgCXUG4.png)
Lets guess, is this in the Sun newspaper?
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I take no pleasure in the club scoring yet another own goal and damaging themselves, again, I actually despair that they hold the fans in such poor regard that they either think we're too stupid to notice an obvious stitch up or that we will notice but we mean so little to them thay can ride roughshod over us like this.
I honestly thought we were past things like this. Seems I was wrong.
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Anyone got a link to the social media pages where this wailing and gnashing of teeth has been going on.
I want to pass on my condolences to the anguished masses who have been so brutally violated by this obscenity.
f**k me, when do the Euros start?
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Anyone got a link to the social media pages where this wailing and gnashing of teeth has been going on.
I want to pass on my condolences to the anguished masses who have been so brutally violated by this obscenity.
f**k me, when do the Euros start?
Look on the bright side, Billy. At least the usual wailing and gnashing of teeth about "investment" will be taking a back seat for a couple of days.
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Behave BST, we all know you don't really exist outside of this forum.
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At least it's the first time we've been linked or compared with North Korea.
How stupid is that statement.
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At least it's the first time we've been linked or compared with North Korea.
How stupid is that statement.
We certainly don't have their firepower!
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I'M pretty sure there's a legal stand point to it so if the club have fixed it they'll be in bother...
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I'M pretty sure there's a legal stand point to it so if the club have fixed it they'll be in bother...
Read my earlier posts. The club were very careful to comply with competition rules throughout the whole process.
At least one person at the club must have known LT entered. Whether that same person then chose the short-listed designs I am honestly not sure at this stage. But that wouldn't indicate any wrong doing (in a technical sense, not based on the principle of whether LT should have been included or not) as that was how the competition was set-up.
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As long as the actual vote wasn't rigged there is no issue surely?
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I entered, got shortlisted (the violet one) and didn't win.
As far as I am concerned, my design was voted out. So what if LT has won? Where's the proof that it was a fix??
If anyone has any reason to gripe about the winner it is me and the 3 others.
I don't give a toss - there are real world problems to deal with! So that's potentially only 3 folks who may have a problem.
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As long as the actual vote wasn't rigged there is no issue surely?
From a legal stand point there is no issue but as a matter of principle people might raise objections.
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I entered, got shortlisted (the violet one) and didn't win.
As far as I am concerned, my design was voted out. So what if LT has won? Where's the proof that it was a fix??
Spot on. Not a fan of One Direction or the whole idea of design your own kit as given the final shortlist, for the away shirts, my preference was none of them.
However, as I recall most people on here felt that the LT design was the best of a bad bunch. We change kits every year so neither the home which I don't like either ( apologies Copps) or the away will get much of an airing. LT isn't going to take the prize so why all the fuss?
Time and energy wasted entering a competition you could never win. Hopes and dreams dashed. Frustrated that you appear to care more than those in charge. Not dissimilar to following us for 40 years.
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Think the fans quoted in the press saying it was rigged are lucky our owners are not the Oystens of Blackpool.
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Wish we could rig stopping in league 1. It's a shirt get over it please, it won't be the first time the club as use publicity to sell something. Some people will buy it some won't. Even less will if we get relegated.
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So the story has been twisted and subverted by TalkSport. This gets better and better...
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Ah, if anyone can blow something out of all proportion it's TalkSport.
And the Sun, of course.
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Just a shame for me personally that some people are lumping the home kit in with the away. Not been an enjoyable experience for me at all.
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Mercifully, the moment they were set straight and realised that the club's "wrong-doings" amounted to speculation they got bored and moved on.
Storm in a 1D cup, etc.
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Just a shame for me personally that some people are lumping the home kit in with the away. Not been an enjoyable experience for me at all.
bas**rd. How dare you win something you've entered. ;)
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Just a shame for me personally that some people are lumping the home kit in with the away. Not been an enjoyable experience for me at all.
Balls to that. I would be chuffed if I had designed the kit. You won fair and square - enjoy it!
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and now it has just been on local BBC lunchtime news. No doubt it will now get an airing on Look North tonight.
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They say there's no such thing as bad publicity......
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Embarrassing
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Ah, if anyone can blow something out of all proportion it's TalkSport.
And the Sun, of course.
I wonder which Sun journalist latched on to it?
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All told, those away kit options were pretty shocking...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CawwdXoUkAA7QCK.png)
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Think the fans quoted in the press saying it was rigged are lucky our owners are not the Oystens of Blackpool.
Point it out to Sad-Rovers, it's him being quoted.
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and now it has just been on local BBC lunchtime news. No doubt it will now get an airing on Look North tonight.
I'm not surprised. Tales of human suffering and misery need to be publicised.
I wonder if Look North have tracked down the hordes of poor destroyed souls who "bombarded" social media with their tales of woe yesterday?
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Nowt much going on the world today, then: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-35966906 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-35966906)
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(http://i.imgur.com/IgCXUG4.png)
Lets guess, is this in the Sun newspaper?
In my experience, a word of truth appearing in an article in The Sun was there purely by accident.
Good luck to LT, he's still obviously a Rovers fan and if the club get some publicity and sales out his involvement in the competition all well and good!
Can't see how the competition was rigged any more than Copps' win in the other section but I suppose the conspiracy theorists and just plain vindictive will be seeing plots everywhere right now.
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Nowt much going on the world today, then: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-35966906 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-35966906)
At last! We find out who the destroyed lives are.
#prayforJake-Adam-Lee-John
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PS
Good to see that the spirit of crusading journalism, looking after the downtrodden and the weak, is alive and well...
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I think that the DFP said fans are livid... Livid. I just about consider myself a grown-up, but I genuinely cannot remember a moment in the 40-dd years I have dwelled on this planet that I have been "livid". Annoyed? Yes. Angry? Certainly. Frustrated? Almost every sodding day. Livid? About a shirt design and speculative rigging? Do me a sodding favour.
http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/angry-doncaster-rovers-fans-claim-kit-contest-was-rigged-to-allow-louis-tomlinson-to-win-1-7834196 (http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/angry-doncaster-rovers-fans-claim-kit-contest-was-rigged-to-allow-louis-tomlinson-to-win-1-7834196)
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Think the fans quoted in the press saying it was rigged are lucky our owners are not the Oystens of Blackpool.
Its just an attention seeking individual who thinks he speaking for the majority, but in reality he isnt.
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"absolutely livid"
Really?? About a shirt??
Has he just been on Talksport?
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Think the fans quoted in the press saying it was rigged are lucky our owners are not the Oystens of Blackpool.
Its just an attention seeking individual who thinks he speaking for the majority, but in reality he isnt.
Perhaps the fans panel could help these disgruntled fans
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It's feckin' social media. It gives people the right to be ANGRY about absolutely nothing, which in turn gives so-called journalists the right to copy-and-paste thoughtless, vacuous soundbites rather than, y'know, do their job properly.
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Neil is lucky Rovers don't take legal action against the "rigged" claim. Be careful what you write on FB I guess...
Administrator of the Doncaster Rovers Facebook group and life-long fan, Neil Taylor, told The Free Press that some fans are even considering boycotting next season's away kit following Louis being confirmed as the winning designer.
The 35-year-old said: "I am absolutely livid because they asked me to push the competition [in the Rovers Facebook group] telling fans that it was a once in a lifetime prize - and we agreed. For most people a free trip to Thailand is a once in a lifetime prize.
"I have nothing against Louis Tomlinson, I'm sure he's a nice lad. My issue is with the club, it's them who fixed it.
"They shortlisted his shirt along with the four worst designs - one of which looked like a green table cloth - so that his was the only acceptable one for people to vote for.
"I can't see Louis sitting down on his granddad's knee to design it somehow. Even if you believe what they're saying, I don't see how they could have let someone who tried to buy the club, someone who has worked at the club, to enter the competition. You would have thought they would have stopped anyone connected to the club, from ticket sellers to whoever from entering.
"They have seen this as a way of making use of Louis' remaining popularity to sell the shirts to One Direction fans. I think it's a slick way of getting around his image rights, which I know they had problems with when he was wanting to takeover the club.
"I'm unhappy that the club are either taking us for total idiots, or they don't care what we think and feel there's plenty more fans in the sea - like teenage One Direction fans - who will buy the shirts instead."
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Neil is lucky Rovers don't take legal action against the "rigged" claim. Be careful what you write on FB I guess...
Administrator of the Doncaster Rovers Facebook group and life-long fan, Neil Taylor, told The Free Press that some fans are even considering boycotting next season's away kit following Louis being confirmed as the winning designer.
The 35-year-old said: "I am absolutely livid because they asked me to push the competition [in the Rovers Facebook group] telling fans that it was a once in a lifetime prize - and we agreed. For most people a free trip to Thailand is a once in a lifetime prize.
"I have nothing against Louis Tomlinson, I'm sure he's a nice lad. My issue is with the club, it's them who fixed it.
"They shortlisted his shirt along with the four worst designs - one of which looked like a green table cloth - so that his was the only acceptable one for people to vote for.
"I can't see Louis sitting down on his granddad's knee to design it somehow. Even if you believe what they're saying, I don't see how they could have let someone who tried to buy the club, someone who has worked at the club, to enter the competition. You would have thought they would have stopped anyone connected to the club, from ticket sellers to whoever from entering.
"They have seen this as a way of making use of Louis' remaining popularity to sell the shirts to One Direction fans. I think it's a slick way of getting around his image rights, which I know they had problems with when he was wanting to takeover the club.
"I'm unhappy that the club are either taking us for total idiots, or they don't care what we think and feel there's plenty more fans in the sea - like teenage One Direction fans - who will buy the shirts instead."
A solicitors letter might be in the post.
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I watched Look North for the first time in ages they other day and they had a whole episode dedicated to Harry Gration doing a three-legged Marathon. I kid you not. About 20 pensioners clapping him into some Yorkshire village. I realised they'd put owt on after I saw that.
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It's feckin' social media. It gives people the right to be ANGRY about absolutely nothing, which in turn gives so-called journalists the right to copy-and-paste thoughtless, vacuous soundbites rather than, y'know, do their job properly.
Dave Gorman would love the DRFC facebook page to use to make one of his found poems. Pure comedy gold.
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"Absolutely livid" - is that the adult version of "hate"? My nippers occasionally "hate" each other, their friends, and their mother and me when we don't give them what they want. Even if this was rigged (and I can see why some people think it was), the objective would only to have been to sell more shirts for the club to increase revenue. Evil, doing-their-jobs, bas**rds... And that's assuming it was rigged (which no-one can categorically prove one way or the other).
So yeah, I can see why people might be "absolutely livid". :headbang:
Still, this beats moaning about the results/board/the fact that JR's no longer here.
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Bet Bramhall had a hand in this.
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I would strongly advise the club against legal action.
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So would I, because it will all blow over in a day or two.
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Or by tonight if results don't go our way.*
*If results don't go our way tonight, I reserve the right to be absolutely livid.
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And if Main should score the winner for Oldham tonight...
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I blame the disappearance of the Belle Vue Owl!
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Well, woop-di-f**king-doo.
This story has now made the front page of the BBC's main website. Up there right alongside the Panama Papers.
And quite right too. We cannot allow this sort of corruption to go unpunished.
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Well, woop-di-f**king-doo.
This story has now made the front page of the BBC's main website. Up there right alongside the Panama Papers.
And quite right too. We cannot allow this sort of corruption to go unpunished.
There should be a captcha installed on this profile to stop this bot posting 😀
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So, I'm trying work out how we've become a major headline. Oh yes, because thoughtless keyboard warriors decided to become "absolutely livid" at nowt at all and get their 15 minutes. If these folks are "embarrassed" by the club, they need to have a good look at themselves and appreciate their part in this.
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/science/jamesvan.gif)
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Absolute non-issue here.
I can understand if the club allowed preferential treatment in a shirt design competition (ahem cue the usual debate on here about a certain someone), but in this case we all voted for the shirt not for the designer.
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Tomlinson won't be getting his replica shirt presented to him on the pitch at Belle Vue by the lady mayoress, whilst being obscenely abused by his so-called mates on the Mainstand terrace like proper kit design competition winners, so he can get to fück...
:cool:
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DFR!
Bring it back!
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I would strongly advise the club against legal action.
I would strongly advise Neil against libel.
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No doubt these numerous livid fans felt the same way when the bandwagon of tv presenters,famous chefs and the opportunity of an LT selfie rolled into town.
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Time to start a Rovers of Doncaster FC for some maybe?
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I would strongly advise the club against legal action.
I would strongly advise Neil against libel.
It's ok, I've got Filo advising me.
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Neil is lucky Rovers don't take legal action against the "rigged" claim. Be careful what you write on FB I guess...
Administrator of the Doncaster Rovers Facebook group and life-long fan, Neil Taylor, told The Free Press that some fans are even considering boycotting next season's away kit following Louis being confirmed as the winning designer.
The 35-year-old said: "I am absolutely livid because they asked me to push the competition [in the Rovers Facebook group] telling fans that it was a once in a lifetime prize - and we agreed. For most people a free trip to Thailand is a once in a lifetime prize.
"I have nothing against Louis Tomlinson, I'm sure he's a nice lad. My issue is with the club, it's them who fixed it.
"They shortlisted his shirt along with the four worst designs - one of which looked like a green table cloth - so that his was the only acceptable one for people to vote for.
"I can't see Louis sitting down on his granddad's knee to design it somehow. Even if you believe what they're saying, I don't see how they could have let someone who tried to buy the club, someone who has worked at the club, to enter the competition. You would have thought they would have stopped anyone connected to the club, from ticket sellers to whoever from entering.
"They have seen this as a way of making use of Louis' remaining popularity to sell the shirts to One Direction fans. I think it's a slick way of getting around his image rights, which I know they had problems with when he was wanting to takeover the club.
"I'm unhappy that the club are either taking us for total idiots, or they don't care what we think and feel there's plenty more fans in the sea - like teenage One Direction fans - who will buy the shirts instead."
A solicitors letter might be in the post.
And that would look amazing, a club threatening one of its own supporters with legal action. We aren't Blackpool yet. The vsc was also threatened with legal action for asking questions about a takeover.
Can't see the club being so reactive towards him.
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I may have blown my "slow hand clap gif" load too soon...
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/v/t1.0-9/12923102_10154679409283356_8756640265245612437_n.jpg?oh=fe9ac11d9004c985b58e33281d4f912f&oe=57BFDA03)
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Doncaster Rovers > Iceland
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I believe that's our very own Mush with his tweet on the article is it not?
(and a rare person saying he likes the home kit, god bless you mush)
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Neil is lucky Rovers don't take legal action against the "rigged" claim. Be careful what you write on FB I guess...
Administrator of the Doncaster Rovers Facebook group and life-long fan, Neil Taylor, told The Free Press that some fans are even considering boycotting next season's away kit following Louis being confirmed as the winning designer.
The 35-year-old said: "I am absolutely livid because they asked me to push the competition [in the Rovers Facebook group] telling fans that it was a once in a lifetime prize - and we agreed. For most people a free trip to Thailand is a once in a lifetime prize.
"I have nothing against Louis Tomlinson, I'm sure he's a nice lad. My issue is with the club, it's them who fixed it.
"They shortlisted his shirt along with the four worst designs - one of which looked like a green table cloth - so that his was the only acceptable one for people to vote for.
"I can't see Louis sitting down on his granddad's knee to design it somehow. Even if you believe what they're saying, I don't see how they could have let someone who tried to buy the club, someone who has worked at the club, to enter the competition. You would have thought they would have stopped anyone connected to the club, from ticket sellers to whoever from entering.
"They have seen this as a way of making use of Louis' remaining popularity to sell the shirts to One Direction fans. I think it's a slick way of getting around his image rights, which I know they had problems with when he was wanting to takeover the club.
"I'm unhappy that the club are either taking us for total idiots, or they don't care what we think and feel there's plenty more fans in the sea - like teenage One Direction fans - who will buy the shirts instead."
A solicitors letter might be in the post.
And that would look amazing, a club threatening one of its own supporters with legal action. We aren't Blackpool yet. The vsc was also threatened with legal action for asking questions about a takeover.
Can't see the club being so reactive towards him.
But that supporter has made a libellous accusation against the club in the papers.
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So, I'm trying work out how we've become a major headline. Oh yes, because thoughtless keyboard warriors decided to become "absolutely livid" at nowt at all and get their 15 minutes. If these folks are "embarrassed" by the club, they need to have a good look at themselves and appreciate their part in this.
You know what, I am livid. I'm angry that the club didn't predict this obvious outcome of a millionaire pop star "winning" this competition. I'm angry that they asked me (and the VSC) to push this as a "once in a lifetime experience" for a Rovers fan. I'm angry at the f**king shoddy way the club have acted and am a bit cross that the clubs name has been dragged through the mud because of some greedy f**kers with an eye on an extra hundred shirt sales.
Blame me all you want but this story was blowing up well before I had a rant on Facebook.
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Guys, you all need to calm down and put this into perspective.
James McVey of 'The Vamps', another teeny bop boy band, tweeted to say to Louis that the kit looked "sick".
Mega.
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Guys, you all need to calm down and put this into perspective.
James McVey of 'The Vamps', another teeny bop boy band, tweeted to say to Louis that the kit looked "sick".
Mega.
That tweet was staged by the media team, we are being taken for a ride here!
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I would strongly advise the club against legal action.
I would strongly advise Neil against libel.
We normally like a good screenshot before we go posting allegations you're right.
However I reassure you that the club would be foolish to allow the intrecasies of this situation to be further exposed.
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I would strongly advise the club against legal action.
I would strongly advise Neil against libel.
We normally like a good screenshot before we go posting allegations you're right.
However I reassure you that the club would be foolish to allow the intrecasies of this situation to be further exposed.
Whats the end game here Wes, genuinely interested?
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They're trying to upset the club and make sure that we don't go on a stellar run of form, thus preventing my bet on us finishing in the top half from coming off.
I'm just about to have a word with SkyBet and get the bet voided. I reckon if I play the LT card, it should get some media coverage an all.
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So, I'm trying work out how we've become a major headline. Oh yes, because thoughtless keyboard warriors decided to become "absolutely livid" at nowt at all and get their 15 minutes. If these folks are "embarrassed" by the club, they need to have a good look at themselves and appreciate their part in this.
You know what, I am livid. I'm angry that the club didn't predict this obvious outcome of a millionaire pop star "winning" this competition. I'm angry that they asked me (and the VSC) to push this as a "once in a lifetime experience" for a Rovers fan. I'm angry at the f**king shoddy way the club have acted and am a bit cross that the clubs name has been dragged through the mud because of some greedy f**kers with an eye on an extra hundred shirt sales.
Blame me all you want but this story was blowing up well before I had a rant on Facebook.
So what are you saying - you've just jumped on the bandwagon?
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A few of the guys that have complained about this and the way it was ran were instrumental in helping the club achieve the only bright spot of the season...that is the black bank. Credit where credit is due...they do give a shit about the club.
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Sad, you don't know 100% that the vote was rigged. You might think it was and it might actually have been rigged - who knows? We certainly don't. However, your indignation and faux anger (and all the other twonks on social media), based on pure speculation and cynicism, has placed the club into the popular consciousness for all the wrong reasons. So well done for that - you all did that, and from what I have read, some of you all are rather pleased with yourselves.
Frankly, I don't much care if this was a publicity stunt. People went to Thailand and got their once in a lifetime holiday that you so wanted us lesser mortals to get, and the club will get additional shirt sales that will, no doubt, go back into the club rather than into someone else's pocket.
This was nothing that grown-ups needed to give two hoots about, but now the club is a laughing stock for a few days - all based on the belief (rather than any proof) of impropriety. And sorry, I am not buying anyone over the age of 12 being "livid" about all of this. Utter nonsense.
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Perhaps I'm an old romantic Lipsy, perhaps I believed the club's talk of "once in a lifetime experiences". I was obviously naive to believe that they'd put a fan above the chance to sell an extra hundred shirts to teenage girls.
You might not believe I'm sincere when I say I'm angry with the club, that's your decision, but I'm not usually in the business of damaging the club, am I?
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Is there a third kit in any of this?
Draw a team that play in red/black in one of the cups (Bournemouth) and it might pose a problem.
I believe what happens in that situation is the home team is forced to play in their away kit. I think we have done it in the past IIRC but my memories not rate good.
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Is there a third kit in any of this?
Draw a team that play in red/black in one of the cups (Bournemouth) and it might pose a problem.
I think Louis Tomlinson's mums designing it.
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Tomorrow's chip paper..
I'm bored with this already...
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I believe that's our very own Mush with his tweet on the article is it not?
(and a rare person saying he likes the home kit, god bless you mush)
What have I done??
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I believe that's our very own Mush with his tweet on the article is it not?
(and a rare person saying he likes the home kit, god bless you mush)
What have I done??
Your tweets on here is it not? Apologies if I'm getting you mixed up with someone else.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-35966906 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-35966906)
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This is f**king pathetic, the lot of it. :laugh:
f**king adults chucking a tantrum over a f**king football shirt.
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This is f**king pathetic, the lot of it. :laugh:
f**king adults chucking a tantrum over a f**king football shirt.
They could be bots, masquerading as real adults, we need to run this site through an antvirus! 😀
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Must be. I refuse to believe actual real life adults are this angry over something this unimportant.
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Imagine being angry the club deceived their own fans. What's wrong with people?
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I believe that's our very own Mush with his tweet on the article is it not?
(and a rare person saying he likes the home kit, god bless you mush)
What have I done??
Your tweets on here is it not? Apologies if I'm getting you mixed up with someone else.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-35966906 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-35966906)
Not guilty, im better looking than all of them
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Imagine being angry the club deceived their own fans. What's wrong with people?
Prove the deceit?
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Is there a third kit in any of this?
Draw a team that play in red/black in one of the cups (Bournemouth) and it might pose a problem.
No chance of us being in the cup long enough to play bournemouth
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Imagine being angry the club deceived their own fans. What's wrong with people?
I got angry when the then owner tried to burn the ground down.
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Me too.
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Well, it's being previewed on Look North as we speak.
Be interesting how it comes over. For me it's a bit cringe worthy and doubt it would have made the news without the fuss kicked up.
There may be a question about the process and the merit of the winner however, Neil, did you challenge the club first?
Now if it has been rigged then it is disappointing. On the other hand, if the club are open about the chain of events and can assure us it was a fair vote, then there is not a major issue worthy of the level of criticism.
No such thing as bad publicity? Time will tell.
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Ticket pricing.
Safe standing.
Stewarding.
Policing.
Section 27.
Governance.
FIFA
Uefa.
etc etc.
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Who gives a flying f@ck!!!!!! That's my 2 penneth on it anyway!
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I'm more annoyed that we always embarrass ourselves when we make the news. So tinpot.
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Shame we made the news then, eh?
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I would strongly advise the club against legal action.
I would strongly advise Neil against libel.
We normally like a good screenshot before we go posting allegations you're right.
However I reassure you that the club would be foolish to allow the intrecasies of this situation to be further exposed.
Whats the end game here Wes, genuinely interested?
A fair question which I'm more than willing to answer. This isn't a stand alone isolated case but more a build up of what I'd class as a disregard for the 'fan engagement' that the club claim to lead on.
The fact that so many people don't seem to understand the current upset over this on here, while being involved and outspoken about numerous similar issues speaks volumes. It strikes similarities with the Season Ticket Offers of last season, the constant excuses for Rovers Player and the piss poor behaviour and reaction to the stewarding situations earlier that have happened several times this season. It is a complete disregard to the people who should matter the most, the core Doncaster Rovers fans who have bought into this kit designing competition which should all fall under the 'In Rovers We Trust' tag but unfortunately once again I've been left with the opinion that I don't trust the club to make the right decisions.
I'll tell a story from just this month and I hope Neil doesn't mind me giving this insight.
This season the club invested in a section within the Frenchgate Centre to advertise games coming up and any offers that may arise. It was a great idea and gave a presence in the town centre that was currently lacking.
Neil spotted last month that the board was out of date and hadn't been updated since before Christmas. This was raised to a club official responsible for that board and the response was that it would be updated. Time passed and we had the Peterborough game on its way at the very reasonable price of £10. As the DRSG, the same no doubt as the VSC and the Supporters Club, we were asked to push the game and its ticket price. Naturally all three groups pushed this from our respective areas. Neil then returned to town to find that board was still out of date. Why are they asking us, volunteer led fan groups who dedicate our own time and efforts to do whats best for the club, when they couldn't be arsed to change their own paid for outlets that would have a far bigger potential take up to new fans? Neil as a result changed his tactic and decided to post that this board was massively out of date on the Facebook Group and on here, with the reaction being as you could imagine, dismay that the club wasn't focussing on what it should be. The public approach seemed to work and the board was changed the following week.
My concern in this isn't that the club has chosen to have a shirt designed by Louis Tomlinson. They could have a shirt designed by John Beresford for me, it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me.
What does make a difference is to have the gall to try and go through with this whole charade of this being fan designed and that they didn't see the pound signs flashing at the idea of Louis Tomlinson designing that shirt.
Fan Engagement shouldn't be about making a cheap buck of One Directioners. It should be about making the fans that are already engaged keep that engagement and to try and get more fans engaged in the same way. This hasn't been handled in that way. If anything its returning to the quite frankly cringeworthy and desperate attempts to sell Louis Tomlinson as a person and not Doncaster Rovers as an entity.
My personal opinion is that fan engagement has taken a large step backwards within the last year. This has further demonstrated that the club aren't clued up on the fans thoughts and feelings and that's a dangerous place to be. Quite recently the Supporters Board notes came out in which they referred to a 'Fans United' game on the last game of the season against Burton at a time when we were plummeting down the League and heading to our current Relegation position. They were mooting the idea of holding a celebration for Burton fans at a time when we've watched dogshit at the Keepmoat for three successive seasons. Does anyone think the current mood of Rovers fans would accept that with good grace?
So the end game for me unfortunately is to hopefully make the club sit up and listen. Currently the feedback approach in private to the club is being treated with the same contempt they've shown to those that have put time, effort and belief into a shirt design that was in fact, won by a club ambassador, former squad member and multi millionaire. George from Bentley may not have had the same headlines as Louis from One Direction but in terms of fan engagement it would have meant far more.
I'm not willing to spill much more in terms of this process that has led me to believe that it is less than pure chance that Louis has won it. Should the club wish to challenge anything Neil has said I think it would become more than relevant but as I've previously said, I don't believe they would be wise to do so.
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So it was fixed and you've got proof?
I once criticised the club shop on the old forum as I had a really shite experience there. I had an email from Dave Parker saying that JR was upset by my comments. I actually spoke with John who threatened to pull out of the club, over justifiable criticism of the club shop. I apologised for my comments, but I was stunned that JR could be so petulant. Good job he's not at the club now - I can imagine the fracas that would have resulted from Neil's comments.
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So it was fixed and you've got proof?
I once criticised the club shop on the old forum as I had a really shite experience there. I had an email from Dave Parker saying that JR was upset by my comments. I actually spoke with John who threatened to pull out of the club, over justifiable criticism of the club shop. I apologised for my comments, but I was stunned that JR could be so petulant. Good job he's not at the club now - I can imagine the fracas that would have resulted from Neil's comments.
You know JR isn't an all-purpose strawman you can pull out whenever you don't agree with someone don't you? Do you do this in everyday life or just on here?
"The ending of Lost was a bit shit wasn't it?"
"I don't know about that, but let me tell you about the time JR did a shit on the war memorial..."
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I understand that viewpoint Wes and let's see if the name and shame tactic works. Still the club may think the additional publicity is worth it. Free adverting courtesy of newspapers and TV.
In my time working with the club we've had many a knock back. Disappointing for me but less so for other folk can make their own minds up.
So, are you still convinced it was fixed?
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So it was fixed and you've got proof?
I once criticised the club shop on the old forum as I had a really shite experience there. I had an email from Dave Parker saying that JR was upset by my comments. I actually spoke with John who threatened to pull out of the club, over justifiable criticism of the club shop. I apologised for my comments, but I was stunned that JR could be so petulant. Good job he's not at the club now - I can imagine the fracas that would have resulted from Neil's comments.
You know JR isn't an all-purpose strawman you can pull out whenever you don't agree with someone don't you? Do you do this in everyday life or just on here?
"The ending of Lost was a bit shit wasn't it?"
"I don't know about that, but let me tell you about the time JR did a shit on the war memorial..."
Is there a war memorial in Leyton Orient's bogs? 😀
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Calm down man. I am simply making a point about the current owners versus previous. I don't have a personal vendetta against JR, whatever you or anyone else thinks. He is rightly a legend for what he did for our club. But he could be a bit petulant.
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I'd add that as supporters we are going to be annoyed that the club acts in certain ways sometimes. I reference the marketing plan submitted ten years ago, at the request of the club, by fans working in these professions. Only one idea, the CRM system was implemented.
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I'm with you Wesley. What I really like about this is the proportionality of the response.
A few Rovers fans are pissed off at being used as patsies by the club. Result: organisation of a global media humiliation for the club.
Kind of fits in with my MO of sticking a shotgun through the letterbox when the God Squad come door-to-dooring of a Sunday morning.
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I'm perfectly calm, but then so are most people who don't have crippling abandonment issues about a football chairman. Merely pointing out how childish it was to bring him up in a thread that has nothing do with the man.
But still, I responded (twice!) so I'll give you a 4/10.
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We didn't create that proportionality though I'm genuinely flattered you think so.
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I quite like the shirt,when does it go on sale ?
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So it's all got a bit out of hand then Wesley? Is that what you're saying?
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Naming and shaming tactics never go down well. This could have been handled better and won't go down well at the club I'd imagine. C'est la vie.
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I don't think anyone, including us expected it to blow up in the way it has.
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I'm not sure how people can come to the conclusion it was rigged, it went to a public vote, how many who voted knew the identity of the designer, the designer of each shirt would have known his own design obviously, and then we have uproar because people are not happy about who the designer turned out to be, some of the same people probably voted for that shirt as well
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And with hindsight, would you have preferred for it not to have blown up like this?
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I'm perfectly calm, but then so are most people who don't have crippling abandonment issues about a football chairman. Merely pointing out how childish it was to bring him up in a thread that has nothing do with the man.
But still, I responded (twice!) so I'll give you a 4/10.
It's relevant given the respective responses to criticism of the club though. That's all I'm saying.
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And with hindsight, would you have preferred for it not to have blown up like this?
I honestly have no preference either way. The club seemed more than happy with the potential media attention of having Louis Tomlinson design their shirt. The fact it hasn't transpired in such a positive way will not keep me awake at night.
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And with hindsight, would you have preferred for it not to have blown up like this?
Personally I'd rather it'd stayed local. Someone I have a bit of respect for once said summat about the media genie getting out the bottle but then he meandered off confusing our players with each other and then pissed his pants, the geriatric old sod...
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Naming and shaming tactics never go down well. This could have been handled better and won't go down well at the club I'd imagine. C'est la vie.
You're right, it could have been handled better by the club. They should have had the foresight of what possible backlash this stunt would have. If they did they made the decision anyway, if they didn't then that's even more worrying.
Any reaction or response taken by fans does not justify the decision made by the club. The club employ people whose remit it is to maintain a healthy relationship with the media, if they focused more on that rather than relying on volunteers from supporter organisations then this might not have blown up in the way it has.
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Sorry, you've lost me.
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(http://i.imgur.com/IgCXUG4.png)
Lets guess, is this in the Sun newspaper?
We know a Sun journalist don't we?
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Naming and shaming tactics never go down well. This could have been handled better and won't go down well at the club I'd imagine. C'est la vie.
You're right, it could have been handled better by the club. They should have had the foresight of what possible backlash this stunt would have. If they did they made the decision anyway, if they didn't then that's even more worrying.
Any reaction or response taken by fans does not justify the decision made by the club. The club employ people whose remit it is to maintain a healthy relationship with the media, if they focused more on that rather than relying on volunteers from supporter organisations then this might not have blown up in the way it has.
LEE my two pence worth. For what it's worth aren't things better done behind closed doors as much as possible? Why wasn't it in this case and why have you guys felt the press and social media present a good option over talking?
I find it all very embarrassing really. It's just a shirt and whilst I don't have much time for the poor marketing the club carried out, i don't think this reaction is proportionate.
Equally I still can't believe the vote was rigged. If it was that's not just improper but illegal isn't it?
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Naming and shaming tactics never go down well. This could have been handled better and won't go down well at the club I'd imagine. C'est la vie.
You're right, it could have been handled better by the club. They should have had the foresight of what possible backlash this stunt would have. If they did they made the decision anyway, if they didn't then that's even more worrying.
Any reaction or response taken by fans does not justify the decision made by the club. The club employ people whose remit it is to maintain a healthy relationship with the media, if they focused more on that rather than relying on volunteers from supporter organisations then this might not have blown up in the way it has.
LEE my two pence worth. For what it's worth aren't things better done behind closed doors as much as possible? Why wasn't it in this case and why have you guys felt the press and social media present a good option over talking?
I find it all very embarrassing really. It's just a shirt and whilst I don't have much time for the poor marketing the club carried out, i don't think this reaction is proportionate.
Equally I still can't believe the vote was rigged. If it was that's not just improper but illegal isn't it?
I don't think the vote was rigged at all. But neither do I believe that Tomlinson's shirt was included in the final 5 based on its design alone.
Without digressing I think Wes' post here (http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=256957.msg622711#msg622711) sums up that side of it perfectly and explains our reasons and events that have lead to us going down this route.
I also don't think it's just a shirt and I find that insulting towards those that spent time making designs to submit, it was supposed to be a competition to win not just a trip to Thailand but also the chance of your childhood team wearing a shirt designed by you, a chance to feature in Rovers history and help be part of the Rovers identity for at least a season. That opportunity has been stolen from an average fan and gifted to someone whose wealth has seen him become an ambassador of the club, played for the reserves and almost become owner in a little over 3 years.
But any reaction taken by a fan or a fans group is just that, a reaction of the club stance on this one. We've spoken out on an issue that fans have clearly voiced their frustration on.
If the club aren't happy with the media attention and negative press they have received on this and wish to use that as an excuse to not work with the DRSG in future then so be it. Our allegiances are to the club's fans, not its employees.
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LT will be speaking about Rovers on Radio 5 live shortly.
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Club announcing that Louis is putting the prize back for a fan.
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How many of these teenage girls actually bought a shirt when he last got involved? Did sales improve significantly?
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But any reaction taken by a fan or a fans group is just that, a reaction of the club stance on this one. We've spoken out on an issue that fans have clearly voiced their frustration on.
If the club aren't happy with the media attention and negative press they have received on this and wish to use that as an excuse to not work with the DRSG in future then so be it. Our allegiances are to the club's fans, not its employees.
Did you ask your 1000 members, or did you base your decision on some facebook posts and a few tweets?
Being honest, the club will probably continue to work with the DRSG, but going to the press over something so trivial was a pointless and risky move.
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Well, I think it's a poor, poor day when so-called fans of the club are happy to go on national radio to stick the knife into the club, based purely on their understanding/belief/feeling/cynicism that their club acted improperly.
I have tried to be balanced about this matter, but I'm genuinely saddened and disgusted that people would do this. Sorry.
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So called fans, eh?
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Maybe I'm being harsh; it's late and it's been a long, shitty day. Call me an old romantic, I just think that if people are going to go on national radio to slate their football club, they should do so with more than just supposition to back up their accusations. And it should be about a genuine thing and not about a sodding shirt.
Again, sorry.
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Disgusted is a bit strong, I do feel that both sides of this have gotten carried away.
Also, did Neil ring up Talksport frothing at the mouth demanding to speak live on air about what a despicable club Rovers are, or did they contact him because they wanted somebody to represent the fans view in the story and were directed towards him based on his online quotes by the relevant people? I'm happy to be corrected if wrong but I suspect it's the latter.
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It's a pretty shitty way of getting publicity, he might have a right to enter as a fan, but from what i have read, he entered after the closing date, would an entry from a normal supporter be allowed like this? .I wonder if the club value the ordinary supporters view as much as somebody who has a fanbase?.
It's publicity for the club, more shirts will sell than if Barry from Bentley designed it, but in the end is it worth winding your own supporters up, who are already p..sed off with how things are run as it is?.
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But who is wound up?
A handful claiming to represent the masses (where have we heard that before eh?), never mind, they'll be able to dine out on their 5 minutes in the limelight on national radio for years to come pmsl! 😀
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A bit on GMTV in a minute
well that was a 10 second job
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A handful claiming to represent the masses (where have we heard that before eh?)
http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk?
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There is no such thing as bad publicity. Grow up the lot of you. It's a storm in a tea cup and has got nationwide publicity that would have cost a fortune had the club been paying for it.
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I personally see nowt wrong with this and if the club make a coin or two from selling shirts then fair enough. Some folk really do take life too seriously...
Everyone needs to take a deep breath and think about exactly what they are getting excited about.... :huh:
I hope that LT gets himself involved again and can perhaps provide support to the Club and Board in the future - should he wish to do so.
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There is no such thing as bad publicity. Grow up the lot of you. It's a storm in a tea cup and has got nationwide publicity that would have cost a fortune had the club been paying for it.
I disagree. It could have been good publicly but it has ended up making us look very bad.
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There is no such thing as bad publicity. Grow up the lot of you. It's a storm in a tea cup and has got nationwide publicity that would have cost a fortune had the club been paying for it.
I disagree. It could have been good publicly but it has ended up making us look very bad.
I see where you are coming from TRB but this incident has propelled the shirt to prominence on national TV. While some fans may feel embarrassed or upset by it, the teenage girls who idolise LT won't be bothered about that but will now know about the shirt. When any bad press is last weeks news, the shirt is still out there.
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But who is wound up?
A handful claiming to represent the masses (where have we heard that before eh?), never mind, they'll be able to dine out on their 5 minutes in the limelight on national radio for years to come pmsl! 😀
Deary me, your antagonism skills are getting as bad as your moderating ones.
A little search on either Facebook or Twitter will show that this isn't just a handful. The Viking Chat demographic may be of a different sway but our very formation in the first place was as a result of our belief that Viking Chat and the VSC did not represent the younger generation (bar those old beyond their time like BFYP).
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But who is wound up?
A handful claiming to represent the masses (where have we heard that before eh?), never mind, they'll be able to dine out on their 5 minutes in the limelight on national radio for years to come pmsl! 😀
Deary me, your antagonism skills are getting as bad as your moderating ones.
A little search on either Facebook or Twitter will show that this isn't just a handful. The Viking Chat demographic may be of a different sway but our very formation in the first place was as a result of our belief that Viking Chat and the VSC did not represent the younger generation (bar those old beyond their time like BFYP).
Not sure I agree. I think the fact that many of the contributors do not like 1D and the kind of music they represent is really why they aren't happy.
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But who is wound up?
A handful claiming to represent the masses (where have we heard that before eh?), never mind, they'll be able to dine out on their 5 minutes in the limelight on national radio for years to come pmsl! 😀
Deary me, your antagonism skills are getting as bad as your moderating ones.
A little search on either Facebook or Twitter will show that this isn't just a handful. The Viking Chat demographic may be of a different sway but our very formation in the first place was as a result of our belief that Viking Chat and the VSC did not represent the younger generation (bar those old beyond their time like BFYP).
An alternative to the Junior Rovers S.C.
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An alternative to the Doncaster Rovers retirement home.
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So, what is the predominant gripe on FB and Twitter Wesley?
Is it people who had entered the competition and feel cheated?
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But who is wound up?
A handful claiming to represent the masses (where have we heard that before eh?), never mind, they'll be able to dine out on their 5 minutes in the limelight on national radio for years to come pmsl! 😀
Deary me, your antagonism skills are getting as bad as your moderating ones.
A little search on either Facebook or Twitter will show that this isn't just a handful. The Viking Chat demographic may be of a different sway but our very formation in the first place was as a result of our belief that Viking Chat and the VSC did not represent the younger generation (bar those old beyond their time like BFYP).
What, the "younger generation" who throw a strop whenever we lose and demand the board gets sacked for not signing players for £10M?
As well as have a paranoid belief that a fan (however famous they may be) won a competition by it being fixed? Out of the 5 five available away shirts, Tomlinson's was the best of a bad bunch.
And I'm 20 Wes, part of the so-called younger generation who's views aren't represented on here. I prefer the VSC's measured touch to the DRSG's all guns blazing approach.
Black Bank is a top concept though, I'll give you that.
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But who is wound up?
A handful claiming to represent the masses (where have we heard that before eh?), never mind, they'll be able to dine out on their 5 minutes in the limelight on national radio for years to come pmsl! 😀
Deary me, your antagonism skills are getting as bad as your moderating ones.
A little search on either Facebook or Twitter will show that this isn't just a handful. The Viking Chat demographic may be of a different sway but our very formation in the first place was as a result of our belief that Viking Chat and the VSC did not represent the younger generation (bar those old beyond their time like BFYP).
What, the "younger generation" who throw a strop whenever we lose and demand the board gets sacked for not signing players for £10M?
As well as have a paranoid belief that a fan (however famous they may be) won a competition by it being fixed? Out of the 5 five available away shirts, Tomlinson's was the best of a bad bunch.
And I'm 20 Wes, part of the so-called younger generation who's views aren't represented on here. I prefer the VSC's measured touch to the DRSG's all guns blazing approach.
Black Bank is a top concept though, I'll give you that.
That is a very poor representation of the younger generation. Are you suggesting that the older generation don't throw a strop whenever we lose? My Dad would sulk for a week when Rovers lost. The reactionary nature of a win or a loss is one of the the things we do all share regardless of age. You also see as many on here demanding the board are sacked after every loss. The format may be different but the opinions remain the same.
There will always be exceptions to the rule as I stated above just the same as there will be in our approach. It was the all guns blazing approach that meant Black Bank was delivered. It needed something fuelled on passion than pie charts and meetings. Having been heavily involved with the divide between the two parties for the last two years I still believe there is a requirement for both.
I feel that the club is miles more safe with the VSC around, I remain a member of the trust. However I still believe that the DRSG is 100% required and have delivered enough within the last year to justify saying so. If not we wouldn't still be dedicating the time we do.
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But who is wound up?
A handful claiming to represent the masses (where have we heard that before eh?), never mind, they'll be able to dine out on their 5 minutes in the limelight on national radio for years to come pmsl! 😀
Deary me, your antagonism skills are getting as bad as your moderating ones.
A little search on either Facebook or Twitter will show that this isn't just a handful. The Viking Chat demographic may be of a different sway but our very formation in the first place was as a result of our belief that Viking Chat and the VSC did not represent the younger generation (bar those old beyond their time like BFYP).
What, the "younger generation" who throw a strop whenever we lose and demand the board gets sacked for not signing players for £10M?
As well as have a paranoid belief that a fan (however famous they may be) won a competition by it being fixed? Out of the 5 five available away shirts, Tomlinson's was the best of a bad bunch.
And I'm 20 Wes, part of the so-called younger generation who's views aren't represented on here. I prefer the VSC's measured touch to the DRSG's all guns blazing approach.
Black Bank is a top concept though, I'll give you that.
That is a very poor representation of the younger generation. Are you suggesting that the older generation don't throw a strop whenever we lose? My Dad would sulk for a week when Rovers lost. The reactionary nature of a win or a loss is one of the the things we do all share regardless of age. You also see as many on here demanding the board are sacked after every loss. The format may be different but the opinions remain the same.
There will always be exceptions to the rule as I stated above just the same as there will be in our approach. It was the all guns blazing approach that meant Black Bank was delivered. It needed something fuelled on passion than pie charts and meetings. Having been heavily involved with the divide between the two parties for the last two years I still believe there is a requirement for both.
I feel that the club is miles more safe with the VSC around, I remain a member of the trust. However I still believe that the DRSG is 100% required and have delivered enough within the last year to justify saying so. If not we wouldn't still be dedicating the time we do.
I completely agree that the DRSG's yin to the VSC's yang is needed. And I hurt when we lose, I agree we all do. But (and I'm probably associating the Facebook Group with the DRSG closer than I should) you have idiots who were posting "sack this clueless clown" after Ferguson's first defeat, and Ferguson being blamed for the Rochdale draw when we had a referee who had no concept of what a bookable offence is sending Alcock off for two tackles, one of which wasn't even a foul, playing 7 minutes injury time.
The man deserves some stick for how unequivocally shit we've been for the last 3 months, but he gets blamed for way more than he should.
And by all guns blazing, I'm referring to the individuals who've plastered themselves all over the radio over a f**king colouring competition, making both the club and us fans look like a bunch of idiots.
Passion is great, and I do respect you Wes because you have a brain up there, I just wish some of your fellow DRSG members were able to think first.
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That's what make you beautiful!
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Football fans react. Social media has allowed them to react in public instantaneously. I always remember my Dad on a Saturday evening slamming the door and announcing 'I'm not going again' followed by the ranting about how the players and manager were 'bloody shite'. The difference nowadays is that you have a place where thousands of Rovers fans call all do that at the same time, before they've even left the ground and had a chance to calm down.
By default (the same way that the VSC have been associated by comments on Viking Chat) the DRSG to get associated with comments on the Facebook group. We are very active on there and use the page as a communication tool. The club do read the Facebook page the same way as they do on here also, something I don't believe would have happened 18 months ago, so while you are correct that there is the reactionary knee jerk posts, there is obviously some value to the club also.
Finally the radio, you may not be aware but I also featured on BBC Radio Five Live last night, immediately after Louis' Grandpops. As has been already questioned on this thread, neither myself or Neil made the calls to the press, the club flirting with Celebrity culture instead of concentrating on the task at hand caused the media stir. Should we have been questioning the moral stance of Egbert from Hyde Park winning the kit competition, I don't think the BBC or TalkSport would have given a damn.
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Fair enough, hold my hands up.
Still think that grown men arguing over the morality a colouring competition is bloody daft mind. Like you said, there's more important things going on.
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Would we have all this stupidity if another Donny born celebrity had designed the shirt,i dont think we would its just because its LT and some people dont like him.
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I don't understand the fuss about these shirts.
Look at the publicity the club have had from it, but some supporters are making themselves look childish. It seems any excuse to have a go at the club.
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Disingenuous Wesley.
You might not have courted the media interest, but you have stoked it by going on the radio. That was your choice.
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Would we have all this stupidity if another Donny born celebrity had designed the shirt,i dont think we would its just because its LT and some people dont like him.
I'm not sure a shirt designed by Jeremy Clarkson would have gone down well.
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I never said I regretted it Billy or apologised for it. Having heard the soundbites from Len Poulton I certainly don't. A man who designed a shirt but struggled to describe it. He didn't seem too sure how they went about designing it also if I was being cynical.
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I would strongly advise the club against legal action.
I would strongly advise Neil against libel.
We normally like a good screenshot before we go posting allegations you're right.
However I reassure you that the club would be foolish to allow the intrecasies of this situation to be further exposed.
Whats the end game here Wes, genuinely interested?
A fair question which I'm more than willing to answer. This isn't a stand alone isolated case but more a build up of what I'd class as a disregard for the 'fan engagement' that the club claim to lead on.
The fact that so many people don't seem to understand the current upset over this on here, while being involved and outspoken about numerous similar issues speaks volumes. It strikes similarities with the Season Ticket Offers of last season, the constant excuses for Rovers Player and the piss poor behaviour and reaction to the stewarding situations earlier that have happened several times this season. It is a complete disregard to the people who should matter the most, the core Doncaster Rovers fans who have bought into this kit designing competition which should all fall under the 'In Rovers We Trust' tag but unfortunately once again I've been left with the opinion that I don't trust the club to make the right decisions.
I'll tell a story from just this month and I hope Neil doesn't mind me giving this insight.
This season the club invested in a section within the Frenchgate Centre to advertise games coming up and any offers that may arise. It was a great idea and gave a presence in the town centre that was currently lacking.
Neil spotted last month that the board was out of date and hadn't been updated since before Christmas. This was raised to a club official responsible for that board and the response was that it would be updated. Time passed and we had the Peterborough game on its way at the very reasonable price of £10. As the DRSG, the same no doubt as the VSC and the Supporters Club, we were asked to push the game and its ticket price. Naturally all three groups pushed this from our respective areas. Neil then returned to town to find that board was still out of date. Why are they asking us, volunteer led fan groups who dedicate our own time and efforts to do whats best for the club, when they couldn't be arsed to change their own paid for outlets that would have a far bigger potential take up to new fans? Neil as a result changed his tactic and decided to post that this board was massively out of date on the Facebook Group and on here, with the reaction being as you could imagine, dismay that the club wasn't focussing on what it should be. The public approach seemed to work and the board was changed the following week.
My concern in this isn't that the club has chosen to have a shirt designed by Louis Tomlinson. They could have a shirt designed by John Beresford for me, it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me.
What does make a difference is to have the gall to try and go through with this whole charade of this being fan designed and that they didn't see the pound signs flashing at the idea of Louis Tomlinson designing that shirt.
Fan Engagement shouldn't be about making a cheap buck of One Directioners. It should be about making the fans that are already engaged keep that engagement and to try and get more fans engaged in the same way. This hasn't been handled in that way. If anything its returning to the quite frankly cringeworthy and desperate attempts to sell Louis Tomlinson as a person and not Doncaster Rovers as an entity.
My personal opinion is that fan engagement has taken a large step backwards within the last year. This has further demonstrated that the club aren't clued up on the fans thoughts and feelings and that's a dangerous place to be. Quite recently the Supporters Board notes came out in which they referred to a 'Fans United' game on the last game of the season against Burton at a time when we were plummeting down the League and heading to our current Relegation position. They were mooting the idea of holding a celebration for Burton fans at a time when we've watched dogshit at the Keepmoat for three successive seasons. Does anyone think the current mood of Rovers fans would accept that with good grace?
So the end game for me unfortunately is to hopefully make the club sit up and listen. Currently the feedback approach in private to the club is being treated with the same contempt they've shown to those that have put time, effort and belief into a shirt design that was in fact, won by a club ambassador, former squad member and multi millionaire. George from Bentley may not have had the same headlines as Louis from One Direction but in terms of fan engagement it would have meant far more.
I'm not willing to spill much more in terms of this process that has led me to believe that it is less than pure chance that Louis has won it. Should the club wish to challenge anything Neil has said I think it would become more than relevant but as I've previously said, I don't believe they would be wise to do so.
For me this is a great post...It's all well and good some of you sniping at Neil,Wes etc etc but most are not getting the point...It's not just about Tomlinsons shirt (although for me that's bad enough) its about a continued failing of the club to do the basic things we expect and sitting back on their arses expecting others to do it for them and ballsing up what they do do...There is no fan engagement left at our club, its all one way..There are people employed who really shouldn't be paid in brass washes frankly...The club are not working with the vsc or drsg for the benefit of us all,they are doing it for to take advantage of these groups,do any of you believe that if Neil hadn't raised the shop frontage issue that it wouldn't still be the same old poster,because even after he told them they didn't do anything,it was only when he ranted on social media they thought they had better do something..Shocking management by that department and very poor management from Mr Baldwin too...???
In Rovers we trust once heralded by the club as a vehicle to work together is dead,abandoned by the club as no longer required and I challenge anybody at the club to tell me I'm wrong.They wont because they have dropped it....
So snipe away all you want at the people who are rightly annoyed because they have been taken advantage off on too many occasions recently, but sometimes actions and the publicity caused over this might make one or two at the top realise that certain people employed by the club are just not good enough...The first in that category for me is Murrant..
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The difference between myself and you wes is you judge based on demographic etc, I just judge what people say no matter what their age etc.
I don't have much time for the marketing at rovers, it's rubbish - I've had a lot of criticism about it previously app a soul me I don't get the banter (I do it's just not funny or professional). I also don't think they've handled this well at all but it didn't warrant the response it's had.
There's much more things to be concerned about than a shirt... I also actually like the idea and positive out of it, shame they didn't implement it quite right.
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Oh good... this has reverted to a VSC vs DRSG thing.
As a heads up, this story is going to be on 5Live later this afternoon; sometime after 3:30pm. They emailed me to ask if I'd go on and talk about it, but I declined. Should anyone care, here's my reply to them...
Thank you for your email. Unfortunately I'm unavailable as I have deadlines to meet in my day job.
Whilst the Tomlinson 'story' is unfortunate, and I'd suggest the club could've managed the shirt design competition better than they have, I would argue that as a fan, the very real prospect of relegation to the fourth tier and the implications that will have for the team I support are of greater concern right now.
But then that's a football story, and unfortunately these days the national media has a habit of only dipping into the third tier for novelty value rather than to cover the game itself.
Again thanks for getting in touch, and sorry that I'm unable to assist. Best of luck with the broadcast.
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Couldn't have put it better myself. Time everyone stopped giving this story more "legs."
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To me it would be unfair to start throwing club employees under the bus this season. Their job has been made ten times more difficult by the poor performances on the pitch. Crowds are down about 500 on last season which is not as terrible as you might imagine. I don't think there is anyone in the world of football promotion who could have done much more to promote this side this season.
I say this because I also remember the off field set-up we had before the current crop of staff came on board. We can't pretend it was anything other than non-existent. They largely relied on word of mouth to do their promotion but it worked because there was a buzz about the team.
I also remember the worries people had that Gavin Baldwin would be head-hunted by another club! Remember that? What changed? I also remember when Ryan first came in people were generally happy about having someone who was social media savvy on board.
I'm not claiming nothing is wrong with the way we are being run or fan engagement either. They seem to make some strange choices/decisions at times and I generally think an eye for detail is lacking but a wholesale change in personnel? I am not sure. A freshening up of the decision making process, certainly.
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Another 'voice of the club/supporters' will be appearing on Capital FM at 1.05pm, apparently. Give me strength. :headbang:
No doubt he'll be talking not about #shirtgate but the lack of genuine fan engagement and the wider issues that this has exposed. I for one am looking forward to hearing this additional input and the positive suggestions and solutions he'll be positing. :whistle:
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0vECGh9hY68
:headbang:
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Another 'voice of the club/supporters' will be appearing on Capital FM at 1.05pm, apparently. Give me strength. :headbang:
No doubt he'll be talking not about #shirtgate but the lack of genuine fan engagement and the wider issues that this has exposed. I for one am looking forward to hearing this additional input and the positive suggestions and solutions he'll be positing. :whistle:
You may look forward to Radio One later as well then.
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In all of this I also really question what is going through Louis Tomlinson's head.
He has the desire and means to become involved with the club in a greater capacity. When the take-over stuff died down I remember Watson and Bramall saying they were open to Louis coming on board and having a greater involvement with the club. Why doesn't he do that? We've seen the previous strength of having three wealthy owner on board.
Instead, he chooses to enter a kit competition? Really? His grandad was on the radio telling people how much of good kid he is and that he was brought up properly, and I believe that to be the case, but the kid seems to be seriously naive regarding the whole issue of how he supports this club.
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In all of this I also really question what is going through Louis Tomlinson's head.
He has the desire and means to become involved with the club in a greater capacity. When the take-over stuff died down I remember Watson and Bramall saying they were open to Louis coming on board and having a greater involvement with the club. Why doesn't he do that? We've seen the previous strength of having three wealthy owner on board.
Instead, he chooses to enter a kit competition? Really? His grandad was on the radio telling people how much of good kid he is and that he was brought up properly, and I believe that to be the case, but the kid seems to be seriously naive regarding the whole issue of how he supports this club.
Who says he won't get involved - he may do so in the future; however, he is by no means obligated to do so. If I were him I'd probably run a mile given the abuse he has be subjected to. Either way, as a fan is he not entitled to enter any free competition set by the club - regardless of his status?
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I'm not looking at it that way. Of course he has the right to enter. I am talking about LT the individual and his motivations. He obviously has a motivation to become involved with the club but he isn't.
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I'm not looking at it that way. Of course he has the right to enter. I am talking about LT the individual and his motivations. He obviously has a motivation to become involved with the club but he isn't.
Maybe he's seen the hammer that people who invest in the club get on here and elsewhere?
I've always said that if I ever came by a really substantial sum of money I'd put some into the club. I probably still would, but it would be strictly anonymous. I wouldn't want to be told to put my hand into my pocket every time we lost a game.
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I'm not looking at it that way. Of course he has the right to enter. I am talking about LT the individual and his motivations. He obviously has a motivation to become involved with the club but he isn't.
Maybe he's seen the hammer that people who invest in the club get on here and elsewhere?
I've always said that if I ever came by a really substantial sum of money I'd put some into the club. I probably still would, but it would be strictly anonymous. I wouldn't want to be told to put my hand into my pocket every time we lost a game.
If I won the euromillions I'd be on the blower the next morning asking them how much they want and whether they take visa electron.
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Is it people who had entered the competition and feel cheated?
I did, and I don't feel cheated in the slightest.
I am looking forward to my chippy tea and the grease soaking into yesterday's news.....
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As another heads up, we've also declined to be interviewed. There are so many football stories that should be making the news we don't feel it necessary to fan the flames of this.
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strikes me that the most important part of this story - in spite of having been mentioned fairly regularly throughout - has failed to be given due consideration, and it's something that both ends of the (otherwise divisive) age-range should be more than happy to think about in depth, at length and probably in private...
teenage girls
just give that some thought - mmmmm...
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I'm not looking at it that way. Of course he has the right to enter. I am talking about LT the individual and his motivations. He obviously has a motivation to become involved with the club but he isn't.
Well I would say he is - after all he's entering competitions and everything.........
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"Maybe he's seen the hammer that people who invest in the club get on here and elsewhere"?
Yes I bet he has. The hammer our one time saviour John Ryan gets is bound to put any potential buyer off.
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I'm not looking at it that way. Of course he has the right to enter. I am talking about LT the individual and his motivations. He obviously has a motivation to become involved with the club but he isn't.
Well I would say he is - after all he's entering competitions and everything.........
Only complete sad acts enter kit competitions.
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"Maybe he's seen the hammer that people who invest in the club get on here and elsewhere"?
Yes I bet he has. The hammer our one time saviour John Ryan gets is bound to put any potential buyer off.
And nobody else?
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Of course there's TB and DW as well, but considering they were the obvious victims of 'hammer' that TRB had in mind, I merely suggested that LT might have taken JR's treatment on here more to heart.
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Why would Louis Tomlinson douby anything said by or about John Ryan tho Bentley?
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/i-was-misled-claims-pop-star-tomlinson-over-failed-doncaster-takeover-1-6735649
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Even if LT was wronged by JR, I doubt he would have such a selective judgement to think it was wrong to criticise our current investors, but quite alright to discredit our previous one. Especially when the only reason for this is because of fear of them pulling out.
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Yet the same selective judgement doesnt apply the other way - how strange.
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Eh?
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As another heads up, we've also declined to be interviewed. There are so many football stories that should be making the news we don't feel it necessary to fan the flames of this.
God forbid the VSC say anything against this current board eh?
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As another heads up, we've also declined to be interviewed. There are so many football stories that should be making the news we don't feel it necessary to fan the flames of this.
God forbid the VSC say anything against this current board eh?
The board ran the shirt competition? Bugger!
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As another heads up, we've also declined to be interviewed. There are so many football stories that should be making the news we don't feel it necessary to fan the flames of this.
God forbid the VSC say anything against this current board eh?
The board ran the shirt competition? Bugger!
Somehow I doubt that Terry and Co involve themselves in kit competitions.
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As another heads up, we've also declined to be interviewed. There are so many football stories that should be making the news we don't feel it necessary to fan the flames of this.
God forbid the VSC say anything against this current board eh?
The board ran the shirt competition? Bugger!
Somehow I doubt that Terry and Co involve themselves in kit competitions.
The board of directors weren't involved?
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As another heads up, we've also declined to be interviewed. There are so many football stories that should be making the news we don't feel it necessary to fan the flames of this.
God forbid the VSC say anything against this current board eh?
The board ran the shirt competition? Bugger!
Somehow I doubt that Terry and Co involve themselves in kit competitions.
The board of directors weren't involved?
I'd guess that this was dealt with from either the CEO or COO downward with the majority of the work being done in either the commercial or marketing departments.
I dare say Martin will have a better idea than me.
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Cue....the defensive reply.
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I'm not being defensive CR, I believe that's how this has been ran. I could well be wrong but some how I can't see Terry and Dick flicking through a bunch of kit designs somehow.
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I've never said the owners have had anything to do with it...all I said was don't expect the VSC to say anything bad about the current board....meaning board of directors.
I think my message maybe wasn't clear enough and has taken wrong way.
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The argument that the club hold the "fan base in such contempt that they don't give a f**k what the fans think." is b*llocks.
If that were true, there would have been no kit competition these past few years, there would be no pay on gate, there would be no un-allocated stand or black bank, there would be no smoking bubbles at half time, there would't be a meet the owners evening, there wouldn't be a supporters board, there wouldn't be an 1879 beer, the CEO wouldn't sit down 1 on 1 with moaning fans to listen to their views, management wouldn't sit down at supporter groups AGMs.... the list can go on.
Supporters need to pick their battles when dealing with clubs over issues of fan-engagement, and this, frankly, shouldn't have ever been on the radar. I'd be suprised if the club have the same confidence going forward in dealing with the DRSG.
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The argument that the club hold the "fan base in such contempt that they don't give a f**k what the fans think." is b*llocks.
If that were true, there would have been no kit competition these past few years, there would be no pay on gate, there would be no un-allocated stand or black bank, there would be no smoking bubbles at half time, there would't be a meet the owners evening, there wouldn't be a supporters board, there wouldn't be an 1879 beer, the CEO wouldn't sit down 1 on 1 with moaning fans to listen to their views, management wouldn't sit down at supporter groups AGMs.... the list can go on.
Supporters need to pick their battles when dealing with clubs over issues of fan-engagement, and this, frankly, shouldn't have ever been on the radar. I'd be suprised if the club have the same confidence going forward in dealing with the DRSG.
How much confidence do they have in the VSC?
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The argument that the club hold the "fan base in such contempt that they don't give a f**k what the fans think." is b*llocks.
If that were true, there would have been no kit competition these past few years, there would be no pay on gate, there would be no un-allocated stand or black bank, there would be no smoking bubbles at half time, there would't be a meet the owners evening, there wouldn't be a supporters board, there wouldn't be an 1879 beer, the CEO wouldn't sit down 1 on 1 with moaning fans to listen to their views, management wouldn't sit down at supporter groups AGMs.... the list can go on.
Supporters need to pick their battles when dealing with clubs over issues of fan-engagement, and this, frankly, shouldn't have ever been on the radar. I'd be suprised if the club have the same confidence going forward in dealing with the DRSG.
Rob can I remind you what happened last year when the club we're running a vote for the kit design and the fuss you kicked up over the lack of transparency over where the shirts had come from? When myself and others challenged you over this yourself and others claimed you were disappointed in the lack of engagement throughout the process (which appears in the minutes of a VSC Board Meeting) and a moderator on this very forum went as far as saying that fan engagement had appeared to have been abandoned. How that appeared on your agenda and a millionaire celebrity having his design short-listed by the club doesn't genuinely baffles me.
Furthermore I would like to draw your attention to the following:
"4.4. operating democratically, fairly, sustainably, transparently and with financial responsibility and encouraging the Club to do the same;"
That isn't an extract from the DRSG rules, but the VSC's which you served to protect during your time as an elected representative. Now was this decision democratic? Was it fair? Was it transparent? There is serious doubt on this and if the club putting a commercial interest over that of supporters isn't a battle worth fighting then what is?
You and I both know that football fans are often treated so badly for showing such loyalty because from a business point of view we are market that won't switch to a competitor if the product becomes sub-standard or we are unhappy with the service levels. This is as good as an example as any and the criticism it has attracted is wholly justified.
Please don't confuse this as an attempt to draw out another DRSG/VSC debate because that isn't the intention, but I have a suspicion that had the DRSG come out in support of Tomlinson winning the competition then you may have reacted differently. Our stance is based on what we feel is morally unfair and not trying to score political points. That time is past.
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Contempt is a strong word however we all know occasionally when all of us at some point, when working with the club have felt let down. We all accept from the outset the 'club' are the decision makers and will ultimately have the final say.
The Lengate issue follows on from a number of other issues when we've been given promises, assurances, agreements and yet what is put in place is totally different. Yes Rob, there have been successes which you mention however with a bit more care and attention these conflicts could be avoided. How many times has Gavin had to step in and firefight?
I would have hoped the co-operation between supporter groups and the new fans board would help to improve the fan/club relationship however there's still evidence the club fails at times to consult and collectively you all fail to control the output on social media.
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I'm not looking at it that way. Of course he has the right to enter. I am talking about LT the individual and his motivations. He obviously has a motivation to become involved with the club but he isn't.
Well I would say he is - after all he's entering competitions and everything.........
Only complete sad acts enter kit competitions.
I take it your design didn't get picked eh....... :whistle:
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The kit designs have been selected. END OF. Buy if you want or do not if you don't. SIMPLES to me, because you nor anyone will ever know what is what. or who did what.
QUE SERRA SERRA
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I might be falling for an obvious gag here, metalmickey but Copps is Magic WON the home kit vote.
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I might be falling for an obvious gag here, metalmickey but Copps is Magic WON the home kit vote.
It was intended as a rhetorical statement.... :whistle:
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I might be falling for an obvious gag here, metalmickey but Copps is Magic WON the home kit vote.
It was intended as a rhetorical statement.... :whistle:
Where have I heard that recently? :P
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The argument that the club hold the "fan base in such contempt that they don't give a f**k what the fans think." is b*llocks.
If that were true, there would have been no kit competition these past few years, there would be no pay on gate, there would be no un-allocated stand or black bank, there would be no smoking bubbles at half time, there would't be a meet the owners evening, there wouldn't be a supporters board, there wouldn't be an 1879 beer, the CEO wouldn't sit down 1 on 1 with moaning fans to listen to their views, management wouldn't sit down at supporter groups AGMs.... the list can go on.
Supporters need to pick their battles when dealing with clubs over issues of fan-engagement, and this, frankly, shouldn't have ever been on the radar. I'd be suprised if the club have the same confidence going forward in dealing with the DRSG.
Come on children its like kids in a playground. "Well my supporters organisation is better than your supporters organisation" Na na ha na na.
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It's worse than a playground.
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True ... and though not recorded by 1D nor performed by them this piece of music needs hearing - never a more appropriate song
Words are appropriate (both ways round I suppose)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJWquqi4yhs
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The argument that the club hold the "fan base in such contempt that they don't give a f**k what the fans think." is b*llocks.
If that were true, there would have been no kit competition these past few years, there would be no pay on gate, there would be no un-allocated stand or black bank, there would be no smoking bubbles at half time, there would't be a meet the owners evening, there wouldn't be a supporters board, there wouldn't be an 1879 beer, the CEO wouldn't sit down 1 on 1 with moaning fans to listen to their views, management wouldn't sit down at supporter groups AGMs.... the list can go on.
Supporters need to pick their battles when dealing with clubs over issues of fan-engagement, and this, frankly, shouldn't have ever been on the radar. I'd be suprised if the club have the same confidence going forward in dealing with the DRSG.
Come on children its like kids in a playground. "Well my supporters organisation is better than your supporters organisation" Na na ha na na.
Isn't BJW entitled to an opinion on this? Has he posted as the VSC?
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http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/one-direction-star-louis-tomlinson-to-donate-doncaster-rovers-kit-contest-prize-claims-grandfather-1-7836806 (http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/one-direction-star-louis-tomlinson-to-donate-doncaster-rovers-kit-contest-prize-claims-grandfather-1-7836806)
Let's see what comes of this, eh?
Rather than auction the trip to Thailand (for charity??) I think the trip should be given to the family of that young lad who was on the pitch at half time a few months ago - when the tannoy first broke.
I forget the name, but because the tannoy wasn't working at the time I had no idea of the young lad's condition - until I read the story on DROS which was very moving.
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http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/one-direction-star-louis-tomlinson-to-donate-doncaster-rovers-kit-contest-prize-claims-grandfather-1-7836806 (http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/one-direction-star-louis-tomlinson-to-donate-doncaster-rovers-kit-contest-prize-claims-grandfather-1-7836806)
Let's see what comes of this, eh?
Rather than auction the trip to Thailand (for charity??) I think the trip should be given to the family of that young lad who was on the pitch at half time a few months ago - when the tannoy first broke.
I forget the name, but because the tannoy wasn't working at the time I had no idea of the young lad's condition - until I read the story on DROS which was very moving.
Great idea I think !
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I might be falling for an obvious gag here, metalmickey but Copps is Magic WON the home kit vote.
It was intended as a rhetorical statement.... :whistle:
Where have I heard that recently? :P
I'm glad you find my posts so memorable.
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At times the advantage of being school children over this site, is that when the bell rings they go in and forget about it. Just an observation.
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The argument that the club hold the "fan base in such contempt that they don't give a f**k what the fans think." is b*llocks.
If that were true, there would have been no kit competition these past few years, there would be no pay on gate, there would be no un-allocated stand or black bank, there would be no smoking bubbles at half time, there would't be a meet the owners evening, there wouldn't be a supporters board, there wouldn't be an 1879 beer, the CEO wouldn't sit down 1 on 1 with moaning fans to listen to their views, management wouldn't sit down at supporter groups AGMs.... the list can go on.
Supporters need to pick their battles when dealing with clubs over issues of fan-engagement, and this, frankly, shouldn't have ever been on the radar. I'd be suprised if the club have the same confidence going forward in dealing with the DRSG.
Rob can I remind you what happened last year when the club we're running a vote for the kit design and the fuss you kicked up over the lack of transparency over where the shirts had come from? When myself and others challenged you over this yourself and others claimed you were disappointed in the lack of engagement throughout the process (which appears in the minutes of a VSC Board Meeting) and a moderator on this very forum went as far as saying that fan engagement had appeared to have been abandoned. How that appeared on your agenda and a millionaire celebrity having his design short-listed by the club doesn't genuinely baffles me.
Furthermore I would like to draw your attention to the following:
"4.4. operating democratically, fairly, sustainably, transparently and with financial responsibility and encouraging the Club to do the same;"
That isn't an extract from the DRSG rules, but the VSC's which you served to protect during your time as an elected representative. Now was this decision democratic? Was it fair? Was it transparent? There is serious doubt on this and if the club putting a commercial interest over that of supporters isn't a battle worth fighting then what is?
You and I both know that football fans are often treated so badly for showing such loyalty because from a business point of view we are market that won't switch to a competitor if the product becomes sub-standard or we are unhappy with the service levels. This is as good as an example as any and the criticism it has attracted is wholly justified.
Please don't confuse this as an attempt to draw out another DRSG/VSC debate because that isn't the intention, but I have a suspicion that had the DRSG come out in support of Tomlinson winning the competition then you may have reacted differently. Our stance is based on what we feel is morally unfair and not trying to score political points. That time is past.
Lee,
I don't doubt your sincerity but you're missing the point here.
a) You have no proof that the shirt design competition was rigged. The evidence you've put forward proves nothing
b) If you are going to ridicule the club in public and setback any relations by such a long way is this the right subject?
c) As an elected member of the Supporters Board did you not consider that it should be discussed there first, or at least consult other board members?
d) If its such a burning issue for all DRFC fans then maybe testing the temperature of the water would have been a good first step?
e) What exactly are you now asking for? What is your resolution?
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9 pages of drivel , mods please lock it
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first of all:
Please don't confuse this as an attempt to draw out another DRSG/VSC debate because that isn't the intention, but...
priceless :lol:
was this decision democratic? Was it fair? Was it transparent? There is serious doubt on this and if the club putting a commercial interest over that of supporters isn't a battle worth fighting then what is?
Were we not told in advance the final 5 would be chosen by the club/FBT? If the club had been transparent about Louis Tomlinson's design then I'm sure some people would vote others just because, which wouldn't have been fair.
You're talking as if the club have gone against all supporters on this? That simply isn't true. Most, if not all, negative comments on facebook regarding the shirt have less than 100 likes - that's less than VSC membership, which is an insignificant number according to the same people who have kicked up a fuss about all this! Negative tweets come into dozens also, which asks the question how to you deduce the club have disregarded supporters interests?
the criticism it has attracted is wholly justified.
that's your opinion. My opinion is there are far more important issues to lose your shit over, and this certainly wouldn't be in my top 10. By going public you've also highlighted that maybe the club isn't listening to/working with you behind closed doors, which is worrying for your members.
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http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/one-direction-star-louis-tomlinson-to-donate-doncaster-rovers-kit-contest-prize-claims-grandfather-1-7836806 (http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/one-direction-star-louis-tomlinson-to-donate-doncaster-rovers-kit-contest-prize-claims-grandfather-1-7836806)
Let's see what comes of this, eh?
Rather than auction the trip to Thailand (for charity??) I think the trip should be given to the family of that young lad who was on the pitch at half time a few months ago - when the tannoy first broke.
I forget the name, but because the tannoy wasn't working at the time I had no idea of the young lad's condition - until I read the story on DROS which was very moving.
Great idea I think !
Bump..
Start a new thread if this one gets locked..
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Its a great idea imho and maybe offers a bit of oil on troubled waters SO ....
... don't wait for the Thread to get locked just go for it anyway because I think those with views entrenched on either side of the "debate" would surely be all behind this idea ?
I will wait and see though rather than assuming !
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http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/one-direction-star-louis-tomlinson-to-donate-doncaster-rovers-kit-contest-prize-claims-grandfather-1-7836806 (http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/one-direction-star-louis-tomlinson-to-donate-doncaster-rovers-kit-contest-prize-claims-grandfather-1-7836806)
Let's see what comes of this, eh?
Rather than auction the trip to Thailand (for charity??) I think the trip should be given to the family of that young lad who was on the pitch at half time a few months ago - when the tannoy first broke.
I forget the name, but because the tannoy wasn't working at the time I had no idea of the young lad's condition - until I read the story on DROS which was very moving.
Great idea I think !
Bump..
Start a new thread if this one gets locked..
Whilst the idea in principle is good, I'm not sure that a 2/3 year old really wants to go to Thailand. I think put it into a prize draw at say £10 a ticket, if you sell 500 tickets that's £5,000; donate that to a charity or that lad's family (still a charity) and they can spend it on what they want for him, a trip to Disneyland or something. That way a fan still wins the Thailand trip and you're also raising a substantial sum for charity.
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The argument that the club hold the "fan base in such contempt that they don't give a f**k what the fans think." is b*llocks.
If that were true, there would have been no kit competition these past few years, there would be no pay on gate, there would be no un-allocated stand or black bank, there would be no smoking bubbles at half time, there would't be a meet the owners evening, there wouldn't be a supporters board, there wouldn't be an 1879 beer, the CEO wouldn't sit down 1 on 1 with moaning fans to listen to their views, management wouldn't sit down at supporter groups AGMs.... the list can go on.
Supporters need to pick their battles when dealing with clubs over issues of fan-engagement, and this, frankly, shouldn't have ever been on the radar. I'd be suprised if the club have the same confidence going forward in dealing with the DRSG.
Come on children its like kids in a playground. "Well my supporters organisation is better than your supporters organisation" Na na ha na na.
Isn't BJW entitled to an opinion on this? Has he posted as the VSC?
VSC member having a snide dig at DRSG shocker!!
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http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/one-direction-star-louis-tomlinson-to-donate-doncaster-rovers-kit-contest-prize-claims-grandfather-1-7836806 (http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/one-direction-star-louis-tomlinson-to-donate-doncaster-rovers-kit-contest-prize-claims-grandfather-1-7836806)
Let's see what comes of this, eh?
Rather than auction the trip to Thailand (for charity??) I think the trip should be given to the family of that young lad who was on the pitch at half time a few months ago - when the tannoy first broke.
I forget the name, but because the tannoy wasn't working at the time I had no idea of the young lad's condition - until I read the story on DROS which was very moving.
Great idea I think !
Bump..
Start a new thread if this one gets locked..
Whilst the idea in principle is good, I'm not sure that a 2/3 year old really wants to go to Thailand. I think put it into a prize draw at say £10 a ticket, if you sell 500 tickets that's £5,000; donate that to a charity or that lad's family (still a charity) and they can spend it on what they want for him, a trip to Disneyland or something. That way a fan still wins the Thailand trip and you're also raising a substantial sum for charity.
Maybe Nick, it was just a thought...
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Thread locked. 10 pages of this is enough for anyone.