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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: bobjimwilly on July 12, 2016, 03:44:15 pm
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David Cameron’s premiership is a tragedy for which we will all pay (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/12/david-cameron-premiership-tragedy-pay-eu-referendum)
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I'd say very accurate.
What a shambles, and he will carry on earning a good wage whatever he does and where ever he goes.
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The PM who disunited the Kingdom. What a legacy.
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From a journalist who is further out on the left wing than Corbyn
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You have got to laugh.
Talk about never believe what you read in the paper.
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This is what you get, from a shallow man, who was constantly thinking, 'What will sound good to give the public'?, rather than really leading a country, having values, having a strong way of sorting out inequalities in our society.
Parties really are coming to the end, i feel it is very close to the time when things must change for the better.
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Surely we should all be celebrating? David Cameron has secured his place in history. It's there for all time: the worst Prime Minister since Lord North. He was the last PM who lost a big chunk of the body politic....
Cheers
BobG
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Boris Johnson the new Foreign Secretary.
This f**king buffoon travelling the world as my representative. Words fail me.
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Political satire is dead. Partially because it is no longer required, but also because there's no way anyone could make anything up that is better/worse than is happening right now.
Jebus wept. I give in/up.
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The lunatics have taken over the asylum. 🙄
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Boris Johnson the new Foreign Secretary.
This f**king buffoon travelling the world as my representative. Words fail me.
Like him or not, he is popular both here and in other countries, he will bring in investment. If he hadn't been shafted he would be prime minister by now, so be glad of small mercies.
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Is he popular in other countries though?
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Boris Johnson the new Foreign Secretary.
This f**king buffoon travelling the world as my representative. Words fail me.
Like him or not, he is popular both here and in other countries, he will bring in investment. If he hadn't been shafted he would be prime minister by now, so be glad of small mercies.
I voted leave despite Boris not because of him Sammy.
If he is the best that we can manage we are in deep trouble.
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Boris Johnson is to International Diplomacy what Alan Little was to flower arranging.
But maybe it's a cunning plot by Theresa May, along the lines of "Right Boris, you made your bed......now go and lie in it".
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He recently - as in a couple of months ago - wrote a poem about the Turkish president shagging a goat. He ain't that popular. Look at the US spokesman trying desperately not to piss himself laughing as he speaks about it.
He is a joke, but underneath all the bluster is a genuinely nasty politician. Bizarre appointment even if the new Brexit positions have taken some of the claws out of the foreign sec position.
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Some lefty tosser writes something in a lefty rag. To be taken with a pinch of salt.
In my opinion, he's been the best PM in my living memory.
The PM who sorted the economy.
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Yeah. He certainly showed us how to fix an economy.
(http://www.economicvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/ercchart0415.gif)
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He fixed our productivity too.
He's left us in a really healthy place. We should be eternally grateful.
(http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/files/2015/11/Fig-1-Anna-Valero.png)
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Oh come off it. Thats the 2008 stock market crash. That happened on Browns watch.
The economy has recovered leaps and bounds since labours decimation of the economy thanks to Cameron and Osbourne.
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By no metric is that the case. Unless you think our engineers and scientist graduates working on a zero-hours contract at Greggs just so Cameron could spout off about falling unemployment is a success story.
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Yep. You can see that leaps and bounds recovery right there in those graphs. Unmistakable.
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Still, if there's one ray of sunshine emerging from the current clusterf**k, it looks like the new Govt is shelving Osborne Austerity. We might get a bit closer to a sane economic policy.
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Oh come off it. Thats the 2008 stock market crash. That happened on Browns watch.
Yeah, that thing that happened globally. Brown's fault, though.
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By no metric is that the case. Unless you think our engineers and scientist graduates working on a zero-hours contract at Greggs just so Cameron could spout off about falling unemployment is a success story.
Better 1 zero hour contract, than no job at all? If a company is forced to offer full time positions to all zero hour workers, then it could very well cripple the company. Then it could be no jobs for anyone
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Yep. You can see that leaps and bounds recovery right there in those graphs. Unmistakable.
They are on a steady rise, with safe stability in the markets (brexit aside, only short term anyway). Also with the confidence of no more boom and bust, like what happened under Brown. (despite his previous statements to the contrary).
labour have destroyed themselves.
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Oh come off it. Thats the 2008 stock market crash. That happened on Browns watch.
Yeah, that thing that happened globally. Brown's fault, though.
Still happened on his watch though, despite his assurances of an end to boom and bust. (he was quick to reap the praise in those unsustainable boom years too)
Its easy to use 2008 to help your own argument. Like BST has done with his little graphs.
But the facts are, 2008 happened on browns watch, and the economy is improving steadily and sustainably year on year.
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Oh come off it. Thats the 2008 stock market crash. That happened on Browns watch.
Yeah, that thing that happened globally. Brown's fault, though.
Still happened on his watch though, despite his assurances of an end to boom and bust. (he was quick to reap the praise in those unsustainable boom years too)
Its easy to use 2008 to help your own argument. Like BST has done with his little graphs.
But the facts are, 2008 happened on browns watch, and the economy is improving steadily and sustainably year on year.
But it happened globally, ergo, it can't have been Brown that was solely to blame.
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Help me out here Boom, cos I'm really struggling to see that pre-2008 boom on those graphs. Must be there somewhere cos folk keep banging on about it.
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Oh come off it. Thats the 2008 stock market crash. That happened on Browns watch.
Yeah, that thing that happened globally. Brown's fault, though.
Still happened on his watch though, despite his assurances of an end to boom and bust. (he was quick to reap the praise in those unsustainable boom years too)
Its easy to use 2008 to help your own argument. Like BST has done with his little graphs.
But the facts are, 2008 happened on browns watch, and the economy is improving steadily and sustainably year on year.
Do you have access to different graphs other than the ones Billy posted? Can you post them for us all to see - or we shall just assume you are making things up again?
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I didn't say there was a boom, but there was certainly a bust.
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Didn't you.
My mistake. I thought that when you said there was a boom that Brown took credit for, you meant there was a boom.
I get it now. You meant there wasn't a boom.
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They have stabilised the country, nothing more than that. To get the country moving away from just being above water, new business needs to be created, improvements to the whole system need to be made, while also watching you don't drop too far back in what you owe.
The country has to 'speculate to accumulate', but sensibly. The leave vote gives the opportunity for us to get out of the mess we are in, by trading with a much bigger group of countries. It is a fantastic opportunity for our country.
Our country needs to start looking in other areas to grow, whereas in the past it was steel, coal or whatever, new opportunities await the people with the vision, there is a lot of money to be made!.
Between the two parties, they have made a real clusterf..k of the job. The country has done reasonably well in the past inspite of them, not because of them .
I think the days of 'blind' voting on what you're mam and dad, or gran and grandad is coming to an end, there is an opportunity for a forward thinking leader and new party, to take the reigns of power.
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The country hasn't done reasonably well though. It's done very poorly, especially recently. In terms of the 2008 recession, we're experiencing the "slowest post-recession recovery in output in the past 100 years" (National Institute of Economic and Social Research).
With regards to the economy, quite frankly this government have been shit.
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And the really sad thing is that we've known for 80 years how to pull out of recessions. You do NOT cut Govt spending. You keep the tap on until the private sector has recovered. You then cut the Govt deficit when the private economy is strong enough to pay big taxes.
It's very, very simple stuff. But in 2010, much of the world lost its marbles and convinced itself that Govt debt was the big threat.
And here's the grimly humorous bit. The most authoritative academic work that convinced Govts that debt was a terrible danger (work quoted regularly by Osborne in 2010-11) turned out to be based on an error in an Excel spreadsheet.
http://theconversation.com/the-reinhart-rogoff-error-or-how-not-to-excel-at-economics-13646
The theoretical case for Austerity is dead and buried now. We were the last nation to obsess about it because Osborne built his politics around it. But he temporarily ditched it in the run up to the 2015 Election, and now it's going to be ditched entirely.
Because it doesn't work.
Cutting Govt spending drastically makes you poorer as a nation and actually increases Govt debt. We've learned that lesson the hard way. And the lost output we chucked away in 2010-13 has cost us somewhere between £150-350bn in wealth, depending on whose figures you take.
Lost. Permanently. £2,500-5000 for every man woman and child in this country. Permanently lost output that will never come back.
That's why those graphs flatline. And that is the doing of Osborne.
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Actually THIS sums up Cameron's performance far more eloquently than I ever could.
http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/stumbling_and_mumbling/2016/07/camerons-failure-austerity.html
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This is a choker:
"David Cameron’s premiership must be considered a failure. He wanted to keep the UK in the EU, but failed; he wanted to preserve the Union but Scotland might well leave as a result of Brexit; and he wanted to heal a “broken Britain” but leaves the country divided and with hate crime rising."
And he was worried all along about his legacy. That, right there, is it.
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And on the other points (which he was wrong about anyway, but which he set up as defining principles for his first premiership):
Eliminate the structural deficit by 2015: It's now not going to be eliminated before the mid 2020s.
Bring down net immigration to the tens of thousands: It's now higher than it has ever been.
Both of those were proposed as politically motivated themes to put opponents on the back foot. Both failed spectacularly, and both did big damage on the way (trying to impose Austerity f**ked the economy for three years, hammering on about immigration without doing anything about it lost him any authority in the Referendum debate).
An absolute disaster of a PM.
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The deficit thing has become (at least in my warped mind) the ongoing joke of this current (last?) government. I have given up on it because they just bleat on about getting it down when - as we know - they've never looked like winning that war. It's just a thing that they say when the nation is vaguely paying attention. "We're fixing the roof" etc.
Net immigration, though, the one that they were going to reduce to the tens of thousands, really gets my goat. They stand up at conference time and bray to their converts that they are going to get the numbers of foreign types coming in, knowing that they don't want that/can't do anything about it and it's one of the small successes of our economy (relative to others')... As I have said before, removing the Immigration Impact Fund in 2010 while Theresa May was banging on about numbers has really done the damage. It's hard to not to feel that it a) purposefully made the poorer areas of this country suffer, and b) played a part in leading people to vote to leave the EU. The bas**rds.
Typically, our former leader announced in June something called an Immigration Impact Fund to help deal with immigration. f**king genius idea - wonder where he got that one from?