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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Dutch Uncle on August 13, 2016, 05:40:18 pm
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Has now become the fifth player in Rovers history to score for Rovers at three different Football League levels (i.e. levels 2, 3 and 4). The other four are Alick Jeffrey, Jimmy Fletcher, Ron Walker and Chris Brown.
Mark Albrighton, Greg Blundell, Steve Foster and Paul Green scored for Rovers at League levels 3 and 4 and in the Conference.
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Cracking goal today as well
COYR
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He was probably rightly man of match today in a thin field. Welcome return to his usual standard.
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He was probably rightly man of match today in a thin field. Welcome return to his usual standard.
He was dogshite first half like the rest of them
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He was probably rightly man of match today in a thin field. Welcome return to his usual standard.
He was dogshite first half like the rest of them
There wasn't a decent player in the park in a Rovers shirt in the first half. But fair play to Copps- he raised his game second half and so did one or two others. Not enough though.
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Gota be his last season this, when mcsheffrey is back he will hopefully be on the bench.
Shocking last weekend and rightfully dragged off and just as bad today.. he scores and therefore gets his predicted mom and everyone sings his name... reality is he's past it, he's giving the ball away for fun and basically is shit.. time to drop him and make someone else captain.
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I wasn't there today as I'm on holiday, but I can't help but take you up on your description of Copps as 'shit'.
Harsh in the extreme, not to mention utterly disrespectful.
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He`s gone bigtime. Put it this way he won`t get us out of this league.
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Who on the pitch was any better than Coppinger today?
No one.
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Gota be his last season this, when mcsheffrey is back he will hopefully be on the bench.
Shocking last weekend and rightfully dragged off and just as bad today.. he scores and therefore gets his predicted mom and everyone sings his name... reality is he's past it, he's giving the ball away for fun and basically is shit.. time to drop him and make someone else captain.
What a load of crap.
Copps and Marquis were by far our best players today.
Your summary of him is very blinkered and obviously from a personal position if resentment of him for some reason.
Not one of our players was good in the first half with this ridiculous system of Fergusons.
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The goal was a reminder, of what he is capable of. There's no doubt he isn't what he was, but he is a very useful player to have in the squad, his experience, helped a lot today.
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He was crap again in the first half, people aren't wrong. His passing seems to have gotten worse.
But in the second half he was much better, and simply enough if he wasn't on the pitch we would have lost. Superb finish, only man on the pitch who could do that in my opinion and he nearly won it from a free kick too.
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Copps was ok second half at the moment we're just not creating enough goal mouth action. It's not just copps it was all the midfield today Tommy Rowe didn't have his best game Calder was better than last week just and still think Blair is class in this league . Maybe it's our forwards not creating space for the midfielders to play them in . We need a midfield general and a striker to complement copps and the rest .lay off him he gives his all 4 this club still our best player against crawley
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Copps played much better when he started to come out wide in the 2nd half which is where he should be playing jmho
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Copps is much better out wide and it's a waste trying to fit him in to this ridiculous system that the manager favours.
Once again, as soon as we went to a more conventional set-up after the break, we were a class above Crawley and should have won in a canter.
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I made that his 50th goal for us today. I still have that goal v Wigan in 2014 down to Richie Wellens.
I must ask them on Twitter, though I suspect both will claim it.
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All the players were poor 1st half and Copps was no exception. But he is the kind of player who can win or save a game with one bit of skill. Was driving everything we did 2nd half down the right, linking up well with Blair, Lund, Mandeville.
Not at his peak but is still an asset to the team.
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Copps played much better when he started to come out wide in the 2nd half which is where he should be playing jmho
That was because we switched to a four at the back when Mason went off and Mandeville came on.
Had Mason stayed on DF would probably have persisted with the ridiculous wing back system.
The reshuffle allowed Copps to play where he does most damage to the opposition and he showed him quality yet again.
I agree that Copps isnt suited to a more central midfield role, but likewise Blair isnt suited to the wing back position, however our illustrious manager continues to put players where they are not comfortable and expects us to get results.
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He has also now scored for us for 12 seasons in a row. Still class and he will prove it.
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He has also now scored for us for 12 seasons in a row. Still class and he will prove it.
This must be a record?
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He has also now scored for us for 12 seasons in a row. Still class and he will prove it.
That is an amazing statistic right there.
Thanks for bringing that to our attention deebee
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if we count Football League or Conference seasons only (I.e. No wartime or Midland League seasons) then only Bert Tindill equals Copps 12 consecutive seasons scored
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Probably one of the few on the pitch, capable of that finish. The manager needs to use him wisely, don't flog him into the ground every game, when blair can play there as well, pick and choose the games, he plays.
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Said it last week. Coppinger is wasted in the middle because he is a winger and not a f**king central midfielder.
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Said it last week. Coppinger is wasted in the middle because he is a winger and not a f**king central midfielder.
A few managers, have tried to convert him, into a central midfielder, haven't they?, it just isn't his position.
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Well deserved MOM for me tonight may not be the same Copps as a few years ago but he can still do a good job at this level
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I thought marquis was man of the match overall, the good thing is we got a fair few, playing well enough to win, all at the same time, we've had problems with that for a while, so good to get the win.
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Marquis? Shit penalty and he missed three or four great chances to score. Ok, he got the goal but he should've had a hat-trick!
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Certainly didn't think Copps was mom, probably Matty Blair for me
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Butler was terrific at back. Throw in a clearance off the line and he was MoM for me.
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Butler was immense.
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Agreed, not bad for a player that some fans want us to get rid of.
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Haha plenty of posters on here love the club but don't have a clue about football.
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As bad as we were as a team and as individual players on Saturday, last night was better all round - everyone contributed..
Copps did fine, but Butler was my motm..
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I was thinking Lund or Butler for MOM but decided against a defender as Cambridge offered so little. We should've been out of sight had Marquis taken half of his chances.
I gave Copps MOM as a lot of the attacking impetus went through him. His first touch when under pressure in the middle of the park was excellent and several times he played us out of overcrowded areas into attacking phases. His intelligent runs looking for the overlap created space for Blair down that side too.
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The clearance of the line sealed it for Butler but, Blair and Copps were close.
Copps is doing a valuable job, now tell me, for a winger, who would you rather have right now, Blair or Copps?
For me Blair's no nonsense approach and quality of cross wins it for me. Copps' control, link up play, experience and composure means he's also playing in the right position for now.
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Blair looks like he's got a good football brain to me. He was organising people and there were a couple of pieces of play which made me think he was a bit smarter than your ordinary winger. The cross for the goal was superb technique.
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Yeah, that cross was superb in technique, pace and placement.
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I would agree that Butler was mom,Blair had a good game too and I like the look of him...Copps had a much better game in a much better all round performance..The only real criticism from last night was how narrow we played.We have a problem that when we are attacking we get caught out with the quick ball down the wings which left us 2 against 1,the space we left was gaping and a better team would have taken advantage..That said last night was much much better and should give them some confidence..We needed that...
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I would agree that Butler was mom,Blair had a good game too and I like the look of him...Copps had a much better game in a much better all round performance..The only real criticism from last night was how narrow we played.We have a problem that when we are attacking we get caught out with the quick ball down the wings which left us 2 against 1,the space we left was gaping and a better team would have taken advantage..That said last night was much much better and should give them some confidence..We needed that...
For me Tommy Rowe is better behind the front two than playing left of the diamond. Blair did well on the right, Copps was ok but certainly was not mom. Going forward we still need to tinker with those postions to get the best out of the team.
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TRB
Agreed. I'm far from Butler's biggest fan but I thought he was excellent last night.
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I have been disappointed with copps upto now.
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Coppinger is lucky to be in the team, once mcsheffrey is back then that's it for him, out of all the corners he's taken this season 99% haven't cleared the 1st man, he's given the ball away in every game loads of times and how many times has he made the wrong choice of pass... fergie did right to haul him off at accrington..
As for these happy clappers who keep giving him motm I think it's about time they got their heads out his arse and give it someone who deserves it.
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Really, DJ?
I was critical of his performance at Accrington but you must've been watching a different player against Crawley (2nd half; he was poor in the first half) and Cambridge.
I gave him MOM last night which I know is subjective and others ran him close in my opinion but to suggest that the decision makes me a "happy clapper" with my head stuck up my arse is ludicrous.
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Coppinger is lucky to be in the team, once mcsheffrey is back then that's it for him, out of all the corners he's taken this season 99% haven't cleared the 1st man, he's given the ball away in every game loads of times and how many times has he made the wrong choice of pass... fergie did right to haul him off at accrington..
As for these happy clappers who keep giving him motm I think it's about time they got their heads out his arse and give it someone who deserves it.
That's a bit harsh - especially for his performance last night. He did OK, not my motm (Butler) but did enough to justify his place.
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Coppinger is lucky to be in the team, once mcsheffrey is back then that's it for him, out of all the corners he's taken this season 99% haven't cleared the 1st man, he's given the ball away in every game loads of times and how many times has he made the wrong choice of pass... fergie did right to haul him off at accrington..
As for these happy clappers who keep giving him motm I think it's about time they got their heads out his arse and give it someone who deserves it.
That's a bit harsh - especially for his performance last night. He did OK, not my motm (Butler) but did enough to justify his place.
It's not harsh it's just wrong. Most of our corners are t great but a lot of them end up in the vacinity of Butler at the back post.
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Coppinger is lucky to be in the team, once mcsheffrey is back then that's it for him, out of all the corners he's taken this season 99% haven't cleared the 1st man, he's given the ball away in every game loads of times and how many times has he made the wrong choice of pass... fergie did right to haul him off at accrington..
As for these happy clappers who keep giving him motm I think it's about time they got their heads out his arse and give it someone who deserves it.
That is the biggest load of tosh i have read on here for quite some time.
Obviously written by someone with a personal beef against Copps for some reason.
As for that comment about the corners, you have got to laugh.
Every single of of his corners beat the first man last night.
What a blinkered opinion.
I bet you are great to sit next to.
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He showed great intelligence in stoppage time in the corners winning a series of throw ins and corners to "manage the game".
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I though Lund had his best game for a long time last night. The defence looked solid and butler/Wright looked a good partnership. With baudry and Alcock still to come back we could be very strong defensively as the season progresses. Just need ethridge to get his act together
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I have criticised butler before, but couldn't on tuesday's game, he was fantastic, did everything you want a centre half, to do.
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He was up against an old fashioned centre forward, one who wanted a battle for every ball,. Butler won thebattle. The problems start when he is up against a quick footballing centre forward
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Coppinger is lucky to be in the team, once mcsheffrey is back then that's it for him, out of all the corners he's taken this season 99% haven't cleared the 1st man, he's given the ball away in every game loads of times and how many times has he made the wrong choice of pass... fergie did right to haul him off at accrington..
As for these happy clappers who keep giving him motm I think it's about time they got their heads out his arse and give it someone who deserves it.
That's a bit harsh - especially for his performance last night. He did OK, not my motm (Butler) but did enough to justify his place.
It's not harsh it's just wrong. Most of our corners are t great but a lot of them end up in the vacinity of Butler at the back post.
It's no secret I don't think Coppingers the player everybody else thinks he is,if we had never heard of him and signed him 18 months ago nobody would be paticulary impressed.He had a decent game on Tuesday though but he's not a game changer anymore,if he can maintain that level of performance consistently he is still worth a place in a league 2 team.As for the corners,whoever takes them we need to be a bit less predictable..They are mainly just floaters to the back post as Gaz says,and don't look like they are going to cause anybody problems,a bit more variety is needed..
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Changed the game vs Crawley, and was involved with much of our attacking vs Cambridge...
No, he's not at his peak but he is still good enough IMHO.
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I'm prepared to have another look but I've been impressed with the variation from corners so far.
There was the training ground move that led to the goal (scored by Copps) against Crawley and a mixture of deliveries against Cambridge. At least one went towards the head of Marquis at the near post.
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Also, dont forget that not all corners "that dont beat the first man" are bad ones.
They are probably as a result of trying to get someone in at the near post in a rehearsed move.
However to say that our corners are poor is wrong.
Towards the end of last season and so far this one there has been much variation, the delivery has been decent and the movement by our players has been really good.
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I agree with you Hound, haven't we scored three goals from corners already as well? How often do we manage that in 6 months nevermind a handful of games?
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The type of corner I like are the ones that the left full back from Reading, whose name escapes me, took. Pinged inswingers, caused chaos when they played us 3 or 4 seasons back of seasons back.
But back to the original post, I had to ask if it was Copps who went down the left in the 2nd half and left a couple of their defenders for dead, but his class showed when he started coming wide right 2nd half he haf that full back tied up in knots and we would still be talking about it if his swiveled shot or the one where he dribbled in from the right and fired just over, had gone in.
Yes I am a Copps fan.
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That was Ian Harte. One of the best dead-ball merchants I've ever seen live.
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It was Ian Harte, Raven. That was the best display of corners and free kicks over a 90 minute period that I have ever seen. Every one was on the money, absolutely brilliant.
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Thst's the one, thanks chaps
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Ian Harte is the best and most consistent set piece taker i have seen. He was consistently good for a fair few seasons, give him a 'deadball' whether it be a penalty, free kick or corner in his prime and he caused damage to a lot of teams, going from the top teams and down the leagues.
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Could have been Douglas Bader taking corners for Reading and they would still have been on the money. We never ever do anything against them. Ever. Ever.
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We did exceptionally well to get a draw that day.
Somehow they only got one goal.
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Could have been Douglas Bader taking corners for Reading and they would still have been on the money. We never ever do anything against them. Ever. Ever.
That's not quite true is it?
OK,a few decades ago now but how many did Alan Brown score at their place, and I saw us hit 7 to their 5 in 1982...
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And I once saw Les Chappell give us a win at Elm Park.
As for strikers of dead balls, I honestly do believe Glynn Snodin was better than Ian Harte. But then, Glynn was better than Peter Lorimer too. He was more accurate as well as being just as fearsome.
BobG
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Could have been Douglas Bader taking corners for Reading and they would still have been on the money. We never ever do anything against them. Ever. Ever.
That's not quite true is it?
OK,a few decades ago now but how many did Alan Brown score at their place, and I saw us hit 7 to their 5 in 1982...
Think that was Sept 1984. I was there that day and I'm sure we were 1-0 down before Alan Brown took over, scored a hat trick and we ended up winning 4-1 at Elm Park. Fair bit of trouble outside the ground at the end as I recall as it was Reading's first home defeat for about a year.
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If Alan hadn't been crocked not long after, I'm sure we would have been in the mix for promotion that season.
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Could have been Douglas Bader taking corners for Reading and they would still have been on the money. We never ever do anything against them. Ever. Ever.
That's not quite true is it?
OK,a few decades ago now but how many did Alan Brown score at their place, and I saw us hit 7 to their 5 in 1982...
Young 'uns, eh?
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I'd recommend anyone who's got a rovers player subscription to watch the full 10 minute highlight from Cheltenham. Copps played an absolute blinder.
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The ball he played to Marquis for the goal was sublime. He's still got it, although he will have some days when he's more influential than others. Big job for Fergie to get the most out of him.
Only 3 more games for 500. Crewe or Morecambe away probably.
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He seems to have lifted his game. He's playing with much more purpose and authority. Last season he seemed to struggle at times with his form wearing the captains armband. Maybe trying too hard.
Now, he's playing that more central role with more direct play and less of the old dilly dallying. If he continues like this he'll be hard to shift...and who would want him to revert to wide right?
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He was awful at Accrington. He's not improved from last season. Just playing against worse players.
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He's not improved from last season. Just playing against worse players.
Last season is over. If he is performing well now, regardless of the quality of the opposition, then he's good enough for me.
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Plays best at the top of the diamond behind front two.
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He was awful at Accrington. He's not improved from last season. Just playing against worse players.
Classic anti Coppinger statement.
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He was awful at Accrington. He's not improved from last season. Just playing against worse players.
He's never been the most consistent of players. Had he been he'd have played at Premier League level. I didn't think he was all that bad last season. There were many worse and when he was injured our lack of creativity showed- at least until we got the likes of Rowe and McSheffrey in.
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He was awful at Accrington. He's not improved from last season. Just playing against worse players.
Classic anti Coppinger statement.
You could the same thing for about 80% of our players at Accrington?
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I was expecting Rowe to be the best player in league 2 by a mile. He hasn't even been our best player. Coppinger has been, and I dread the day I won't see him in a Rovers shirt anymore.
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I was expecting Rowe to be the best player in league 2 by a mile. He hasn't even been our best player. Coppinger has been, and I dread the day I won't see him in a Rovers shirt anymore.
I think Marquis has but I get your point. If Row had been given the position to play in that Copps has he would have stood out more. He's doing a disciplined job for the team though and has been very consistent.
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You only had to see Copps thread that pass though for the goal on Saturday, he's still got enough to secure his position in the team. His improvement might have something to do with the team playing a back four?
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Coppinger i have always thought he plays best as a winger. The problem is do you want him slogging up and down the line?. When he has played central he has good games, but always seems to me suited to the wing.
For me he is caught between both positions, play him centrally and you miss him on the wing, play him on the wing and you miss his subtle skills centrally. We could do with a 'coppinger clone' set up to play like he did at his best.
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I think in the last couple of games we've seen some fire in his belly. He even got booked! He's certainly trying to lead from the front. He, Marquis, Blair are setting the standards at the mo and it's rubbing off on the rest of the team.
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I think you might be right Donnybaz..This is probably the first time in his career at Rovers were he thinks his place in the team isn't guaranteed...Since Fergy arrived, he hasn't been good and probably realised that many more Accrington performances coupled with a fit squad and he was likely to drop out..He probably knows this will be his last season too...
On the last 2 performances he's well worth his place in the team.I don't think he has or ever will be a team captain though but that's easy to say from the stands without knowing him or seeing training etc etc...
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And I once saw Les Chappell give us a win at Elm Park.
As for strikers of dead balls, I honestly do believe Glynn Snodin was better than Ian Harte. But then, Glynn was better than Peter Lorimer too. He was more accurate as well as being just as fearsome.
BobG
Me too !
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I think in the last couple of games we've seen some fire in his belly. He even got booked! He's certainly trying to lead from the front. He, Marquis, Blair are setting the standards at the mo and it's rubbing off on the rest of the team.
Aye Booked - how ironic given he came from Exeter suspended. The feisty Copps was I think fettled by SOD although I still recall he was lucky on Keepmoat opening day v Terriers when he connected with a boot up the a**e of the Asian lad after he had been sent off