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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Dutch Uncle on November 05, 2016, 05:20:30 pm
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Liam has scored his first 4 goals for the club in 4 different competitions (FL Div1, League Cup, Checkatrade/AMC, FA Cup)
Only two other players have achieved that for us (Brian Stock and Harry Forrester)
Liam has also become the 6th Rovers player to score in 3 different cup competitions in the same season, following Graeme Jones, Colin Cramb, Mark McCammon, Brian Stock and Chris Brown. In addition James Hayter scored in 2 cup competitions and the Play-offs in 2007-08.
Like Liam, Forrester's first 4 goals for us were spread over 2 seasons, but Harry did not score in 3 cup competitions in the same season.
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Did Paul Heffernan also score in all competitions? He scored a lot of cup goals for us. Maybe not FA Cup?
Forget that. First four.
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Hi TRB
As you point out Heffs did indeed score in three cup competitions (4 FA cup, 4 League cup and 10 AMC), and of course his first four goals were not in different competitions. Also he never managed to score in all 3 national cup competitions in the same season.
Those 18 goals did however make him Rovers leading all-time cup goalscorer. The next three are:
Peter Kitchen 16 (9 FA cup, 7 League Cup)
Alick Jeffrey 12 (8 FA Cup, 4 League Cup)
Brendan O'Callaghan 12 (2 FA Cup, 10 League Cup)
Of course these three only had two competitions to play in, and those before 1960 had only 1 competition (except 3 years in the 1930's)
Regional/local competitions (i.e. Sheffield County Cup and others) not counted of course
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So if LM scores his next goal in FL2 that makes it five in five different competitions. Anyone else done that?
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So if LM scores his next goal in FL2 that makes it five in five different competitions. Anyone else done that?
No-one Mike - I have been waiting on that one, secretly hoping he doesn't score tomorrow ;)
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Now done
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A first for the club - well done Liam on earning a place in DRFC history, and with such a great performance as well :thumbsup:
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He's got something that boy Mandeville.
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People say he looks knackered but he's a languid type of player. Might have found a niche as an impact sub though once Williams is back.
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The stat was the first thing I thought of when he scored.
Going to a team that hasn't won at home all season and starting with one up top reaffirms my doubts about Fergie's tactical nous. Ok I wasn't there but listening on Player it seems that going to two up front turned the game on its head.
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The stat was the first thing I thought of when he scored.
Going to a team that hasn't won at home all season and starting with one up top reaffirms my doubts about Fergie's tactical nous. Ok I wasn't there but listening on Player it seems that going to two up front turned the game on its head.
Apparently Fergie wasn't happy with the performance - although he did single out Mandeville for praise.
I sometimes wonder if he should look a bit closer to home...
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Only 19!
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Only 19!
Good point D.O.
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He is starting to develop nicely. The EFL Trophy games have helped a lot. He looks to be a bit stronger and has enough pace to get by somebody.
Technically very good and a calm finisher still work for him to do but has been our most promising young player for some time now. A few of the others need to match him and show they are capable as well.
Lovely awareness and the ability to release the ball at just the right time. I see in him a lot of hard work has gone into his game during the summer and ever since. Keep it going Liam. :thumbsup: :scarf:
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As Dutch Uncle said it's a first for the club , I bet it's nearly a whole top 4 divisions record,I wonder if there is any way of finding out
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It would be very difficult to find out.
There is one other player who has scored in four separate domestic competitions this season - Lyle Taylor of AFC Wimbledon. He has scored eight in total. Liam's feat is unusual because four goals are spread over four competitions.
If someone has done it I would think it is a long serving defender who scores about once a season.
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First four in four competitions is unusual enough. Five would involve either spreading the goals over two seasons combined with a relegation as in Liam's case, or finding a fifth competition in the same season - e.g. Charity Shield plus European competition for a Prem side or Play-offs for a lower league side.
Would not surprise me at all if Liam's achievement is unique over the prem/football league clubs as Draytonian suggests, but I have no idea how to check up on it.
Long serving defender might be a possibility. More likely maybe would be a young striker given an opportunity in the side at the end of a relegation season, followed by a combination of his club fielding youthful sides in cup competitions and a main striker being injured at just the right moment....................
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And Liam has done 5 in 5 now.... :) It's pretty hard to imagine it has being done before. Anybody up for writing to the BBC?
BobG
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And Liam has done 5 in 5 now.... :) It's pretty hard to imagine it has being done before. Anybody up for writing to the BBC?
BobG
Can't imagine the BBC, never knowingly right, could reliably help Bob. I think only the FL/FA might be able to help, or write to all clubs who have been in the league since 1983-84.
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I wasn't thinking of asking the BBC for research .... Heaven forbid. No. I was thinking of some publicity for LM. And DRFC.
BobG
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And Liam has done 5 in 5 now.... :) It's pretty hard to imagine it has being done before. Anybody up for writing to the BBC?
BobG
Can't imagine the BBC, never knowingly right, could reliably help Bob. I think only the FL/FA might be able to help, or write to all clubs who have been in the league since 1983-84.
It's a bit more complicated than that. Yes, the EFL Trophy has only been in existence since 83-84 but there was the Group Cup in 1981-82 and before that the Texaco Cup & Anglo-Italian Cup. There's also the Watney Cup, but I would be reluctant to count that as "first-class." More of a pre-season pipe opener and restricted to a few clubs.
Throw European competitions into the mix and you broaden the scope hugely.
We can say Liam's record is unique for a DRFC player though.
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and a main striker being injured at just the right moment....................
Maybe check Steve Brookers stats...
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I wasn't thinking of asking the BBC for research .... Heaven forbid. No. I was thinking of some publicity for LM. And DRFC.
BobG
Maybe a very good idea Bob. I think we really might have a very special situation here.
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On a slightly different note, one player I can remember scoring in five different situations in the same season was Kevin Bremner in 1982-83. He started the season as a Division 4 Colchester player, and was sent to Birmingham on loan where he scored one goal in Division 1 against Nottm Forest. He returned to Colchester and scored 2 goals in Division 4 before being sent out on loan again, this time to Division 3 Wrexham where he scored a Division 3 goal against Reading. He was then loaned to Divison 3 Plymouth where he again scored 1 league goal (also against Reading), before being transferred permanently to Division 3 Millwall. He then scored 6 league goals for Millwall that season, including another against Reading, 2 against former team Wrexham, and naturally one against DRFC.
So he scored league goals for 5 different teams in the same season, although unfortunately his most dynamic run was of 6 goals scored (1, 2, 1, 1, 1) for 5 different teams, not 5 in 5.
Some time after that the rule was introduced limiting a player to three (I think) clubs in a season.
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He's a talent there is no doubt about that but like all young players he's going to be inconsistent..After Williams was injured he didn't take his chance when starting games and was dropped back to the bench...In a squad that has hardly got a fit forward, that could have sent him backwards in confidence but it hasn't and obviously Saturday he changed the game and showed his quality...
Maybe it's still a tad early for him to be playing every week...He suits the impact role while coming on,gives his game chance to mature without putting to much pressure on a promising talent...
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And now nominated in the EFL Team of the Week.
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Two more big stats today. Excellent penalties. Some good trickery in open play as well.
Don't you just love watching him develop.
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The mad is turning into a very good player.
Massive credit to him for having the guts to put those pens away too.
Earlier in the week I said that if Williams had been available today I would have put him in the team ahead of Liam.
After that today Liam has to keep the place ahead of AW if he is available next week .
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He absolutely thrashed in the Charity Pen he took for me .... took a long run and thumped it into bottom left corner
Only yesterday I was wondering why he was not taking our real ones and heigh ho there he was.
Also enjoyed his open play and his confidence is rising. The quick feet move on our right with about 10 minutes to go was a real joy to watch
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5 goals in 5 games and 2 assists, surely he's nailed on for efl L2 player of the month?
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Good point and what about DF for the other award as well.
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As far as I can work out he has joined a list of only 6 Rovers players who have scored 2 penalties in the same match - the other 5 being Tom Keetley (1926-27), Ian Snodin (1982-83), David Roche (1994-95), Nathan Tyson (2014-15) in the league and Norman Curtis (1960-61) in the FA Cup.
Rovers also scored 2 penalties in a match against Bristol Rovers in 2007-08 - but these were scored one each by Paul Heffernan and Brian Stock
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Mac, you are Liam Mandeville and I claim my £5! ;)
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Sorry to disagree but the 2 things that let him down are his lack of pace and his physicality. Centre halves at this level must love playing against him. Well has he has played, Williams is streets ahead of him. JMHO
Get him built up a bit and his lack of pace wont matter. Carry on like he has and he could be our next 6 figure transfer the big boys love a goalscorer. I think we have had one before haven't we? :P
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Raven today, if not before, Mandy looked a lot more physical than ever before.. Agreed he isn't the quickest, but he's developing nicely isn't he?
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Back to stats, has he now got 7 goals this season, if you include the checkatrade trophy?
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Sorry to disagree but the 2 things that let him down are his lack of pace and his physicality. Centre halves at this level must love playing against him. Well has he has played, Williams is streets ahead of him. JMHO
I could not disagree more.
JMHO..
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I have said elsewhere that he could be our next 6 figure transfer but at the moment Williams is streets ahead, Apart from the penalties what else did he do to trouble their back 4 today. He was never going to score with his jinking run and shot in the 2nd half. I repeat at the moment he he is not physical enough has no pace and as for his heading ability under pressure don't get me started.
He has definitely got the potential but is far from the finished article let's not get carried away
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As far as I can work out he has joined a list of only 6 Rovers players who have scored 2 penalties in the same match - the other 5 being Tom Keetley (1926-27), Ian Snodin (1982-83), David Roche (1994-95), Nathan Tyson (2014-15) in the league and Norman Curtis (1960-61) in the FA Cup.
Rovers also scored 2 penalties in a match against Bristol Rovers in 2007-08 - but these were scored one each by Paul Heffernan and Brian Stock
Heffs scored two in the same game in the JPT second leg against Crewe, the year we won it!
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As far as I can work out he has joined a list of only 6 Rovers players who have scored 2 penalties in the same match - the other 5 being Tom Keetley (1926-27), Ian Snodin (1982-83), David Roche (1994-95), Nathan Tyson (2014-15) in the league and Norman Curtis (1960-61) in the FA Cup.
Rovers also scored 2 penalties in a match against Bristol Rovers in 2007-08 - but these were scored one each by Paul Heffernan and Brian Stock
Dutch,
That brings back memories. Norman Curtis, player manager, my minds picture of him was his long shorts pulled up over his bellybutton, Benny Hill style.
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As far as I can work out he has joined a list of only 6 Rovers players who have scored 2 penalties in the same match - the other 5 being Tom Keetley (1926-27), Ian Snodin (1982-83), David Roche (1994-95), Nathan Tyson (2014-15) in the league and Norman Curtis (1960-61) in the FA Cup.
Rovers also scored 2 penalties in a match against Bristol Rovers in 2007-08 - but these were scored one each by Paul Heffernan and Brian Stock
Heffs scored two in the same game in the JPT second leg against Crewe, the year we won it!
I think that was one penalty he was made to re-take JD
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As far as I can work out he has joined a list of only 6 Rovers players who have scored 2 penalties in the same match - the other 5 being Tom Keetley (1926-27), Ian Snodin (1982-83), David Roche (1994-95), Nathan Tyson (2014-15) in the league and Norman Curtis (1960-61) in the FA Cup.
Rovers also scored 2 penalties in a match against Bristol Rovers in 2007-08 - but these were scored one each by Paul Heffernan and Brian Stock
Heffs scored two in the same game in the JPT second leg against Crewe, the year we won it!
I think that was one penalty he was made to re-take JD
... aaaand we have a biter!!! :lol:
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Yes he's crap nowt to see here.......
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Who is the youngest player to get to double figures for Rovers?
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Who is the youngest player to get to double figures for Rovers?
Without checking I'm pretty sure it's going to be Alick Jeffrey.
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Apart from the penalties what else did he do to trouble their back 4 today.
I repeat at the moment he he is not physical enough has no pace
He has definitely got the potential but is far from the finished article let's not get carried away
He nearly broke the bar in the First half with a tremendous shot ?
Agree on the physique.Players in the olden days were often "treated" to Steaks and other stuff to bulk them up and in these days of Sports Science this problem will be addressed. Pace wise I am less bothered personally because he can and does get past defenders a la Copps
I am not getting carried away because you see players over the years who flatter to deceive but there are many who do improve continuously (as they learn or are well coached or both) and if LM continues his progression I AM going to enjoy what I see of him
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And some people wanted him released last season. :lol:
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And to Donnywolf, so am I for a few more seasons to come I hope.
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LOL yes of course !
If they let me continue with the Charity Penalty thing I will be insisting he takes them for me. Nearly broke net last time !
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Who is the youngest player to get to double figures for Rovers?
Without checking I'm pretty sure it's going to be Alick Jeffrey.
Daft question really. Obviously Jeffrey having made his debut at 15.
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More and more he's reminding me of Peter Kitchen. Very clever footballer, not blessed with great physique but made up for with technique and guile.
He's a cheeky little scamp who'll hopefully continue his progression and make some defenders look very silly. He's in a great position to learn from Copps and Marquis. I wouldn't be surprised to see an overhead kick in his repertoire at some point.
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If you don't have pace you have to have a quicker brain to make it in football. Mandeville knows what's needed intelligence get's him the edge he needs. He has a lot of work to do but he is coming along nice.
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full agreement there SCWK