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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on November 19, 2016, 05:48:38 pm
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First touch nearly gave them a goal, the lad is a quivering wreck
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That was awful BUT for me one of the positives from today was his very competent second half performance. It's in nobody's interest to see him fail so I hope he builds on that.
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Goalkeeper in January?
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It sounded like our supporters gave him loads of encouragement today, I think not!
for whatever reason the poor kid is going through a bad period but sarcastic cheering won't make him improve.
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In fairness after his huge error he did very well. Really strong second half. HE needs confidence that's all. Whether he's actually any good we'll have to see.
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Marosi looked proper guttered going off. Could be a bad injury looking at his body language, anyone heard anything?.
First touch was crazy from Ross but after that he got into the game, he even caught a few (with broken/dislocated fingers?) from Crosses/Corners. Still a lot to learn and hopefully be decent for us in the future
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It sounded like our supporters gave him loads of encouragement today, I think not!
for whatever reason the poor kid is going through a bad period but sarcastic cheering won't make him improve.
Our supporters gave more support to the ex Rovers than our own current side today. At such a critical part of the game they were chanting like Jones was still here.. I've got no problem with a good round of applause but what would the reaction have been if he'd popped with a winner. I'd sooner take 3 points than give the opposition hope .. just my opinion like
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I was made up when Ross claimed those 2 balls in the second half. I reprimanded someone near me who boo'd him soon as he came on. Nearly left me with egg on my face, mind!
It really baffles me why people would pay copious amounts of money to boo their own players?
Bit weird if you ask me.
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That was awful BUT for me one of the positives from today was his very competent second half performance. It's in nobody's interest to see him fail so I hope he builds on that.
I was sad for Marosi of course and I bet poor old Ross was bricking it . I REALLY wanted him to play out of his skin and when he gifted that bloke the ball who then chipped him I had time to think of the flak he would get an think perhaps that's him gone. The ball took forever to deal a fatal blow to him but NO it hit the post and bounced straight back into his arms
Seconds later we were 1-0 up and he did well in the second half (granted he was doing what you expect from your keeper) I REALLY hope he builds on that.
Not long after you will have read I went on the Pitch and won the ten Thou. No doubt lots of the Crowd thought I was the jammiest bloke there today but I think Ross was luckier and I for one AM GLAD for him
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It's a shame cos when I saw him pre-season he looked really good but he seems to suffer badly from nerves. Good that he took those important gathers towards the end of the game because I was fearing the worst when Barn Door and Corporal came on.
Marosi looks like he could become a really good keeper as his all round game is a level up from Etheridge.
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We could be short of a keeper for next Saturday, Marosi off injured and not sure how bad it is, Etheridge has broken a finger and may not be fit, that only leaves us with the youth team keeper. Can we bring in a loan?
COYR
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Etheridge has more ability than Marosi, you will see in time.
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We could be short of a keeper for next Saturday, Marosi off injured and not sure how bad it is, Etheridge has broken a finger and may not be fit, thT only leaves us with the youth team keeper. Can we bring in a loan?
COYR
No loans. Would have to be a player without a club.
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We could be short of a keeper for next Saturday, Marosi off injured and not sure how bad it is, Etheridge has broken a finger and may not be fit, that only leaves us with the youth team keeper. Can we bring in a loan?
COYR
yes we could bring a keeper in on loan if both are injured
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Etheridge has more ability than Marosi, you will see in time.
I agree, but Marosi has come on loads. He'll not be one of the games greatest ever but he is fairly solid in a lot of what he does. Etheridge needs to get his confidence going and do the simple well. With experience I think he has that something extra that will shine - maybe for our next Championship season :santa:
I think it'd be a huge mistake to get a loan in for these two unless injury necessitates, and then really as a back up, not as a number one role.
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First touch nearly gave them a goal, the lad is a quivering wreck
His fellow defenders didn't do him any favours there, they could have laid the ball back to him straight away to settle him down rather than having his first touch under pressure
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His fellow defenders didn't do him any favours there, they could have laid the ball back to him straight away to settle him down rather than having his first touch under pressure
could not agree more
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Etheridge was not under any pressure at that time.
The pass he made was totally routine and his mis hit it allowing their player to intercept.
Agreed though that he had a better second half but there was one time that he was very slow coming to collect a through ball.
If Baudry hadn't blocked the run of the Pools player then he might have nipped in go score.
If Marosi did have to go off with double vision( as he indicated to the bench) he should be fine for next week.
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After that first loose pass Etheridge did OK.. And I also thought the support for him was genuine, not sarcastic...
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Not good enough, end of.
First touch should have presented a goal, 2nd touch (fortunately he didn't touch it because he came out of his goal so far it may have been hand ball outside the area) he got nowhere near trying to punch it. I think the melee led to the penalty. We could quite easily have been 2-0 down and not 1-1.
Marosi has come on well without doubt, but for me when I look at the keepers we've had in the recent(ish) past, these two are nowhere near. Having said that, we're in League 2 so we're not going to have a Sulli or a Sam Johnston
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Harsh..
Don't forget he kept a second half clean sheet whilst carrying an injury..??
We still won, and we are still 3rd with 33 points from 17 games, and 35 goals...
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Harsh..
Don't forget he kept a second half clean sheet whilst carrying an injury..??
We still won, and we are still 3rd with 33 points from 17 games, and 35 goals...
Yes we won and that's all that matters for now. Regroup next summer when we're in League 1.
Harsh? I don't think so. I don't think he's had a decent game for us yet. Kept a clean sheet in the second half but thankfully didn't have much to do
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Yes harsh..
There are some players it seems, who once they get out of form or confidence, and have a few bad games then become the scapegoat - unless they play like Ronaldo or Messi every time then they are not worthy of the shirt..
Of course it is OK to criticise a poor performance like Etheridge had vs Wycombe but he's a pro employed by the club we support..
So is Evina, so is ATS, so is Keegan..
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Aye, and even the manager doesn't rate him, hence why he can't get a game unless Marosi is injured.
I've never booed him and won't. He did make me laugh a couple of times today though
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Was worried when marko went off and when the first misplaced pass but thought he did well. So hopefully will gain confidance thought at end when there keeper came up for the corner Ross should have been quicker and tried to get ball up to JM who had made the run rather than wandering around the back of the net
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.......or, at 2-1 up with less than a minute to go should have taken longer than he did.
There was no need for him to rush because the game was as good as won.
A bloke near me at the game was also screaming for Ross to hurry up but people around him laughed and said the same i i have here.
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His distribution in the second half was good.
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I said to my lad just after he came on and some of the idiots boo'd him " I bet the poor lad can't wait for the second half when he's up the other end away from these idiots"
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You can bring in a loan if they're both injured.
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Now I admit I have a drink or two tonight but It gets right up my nose when our supporters don't give our players the support they need, Etheridge needs our support now. He is a young lad with potential otherwise we wouldn't have him. There is something wrong right now but he has potential. Will it help him with the sarcastic cheers? I don't think so. Right now he is all we have so get behind him he may be the first team choice for some time?
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First touch nearly gave them a goal, the lad is a quivering wreck
I'm not surprised with all the booing the lad got - he's not good, he's as scared as fook but he was all we had today ......the South can't invite the lad onto the pitch with a chorus of boos. It's not clever and it's not supportive .
Not many things make me angry on a match day but so called " supporters " like that do 😣
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Etheridge came for and won some important crosses. The majority in the South actually clapped him on.
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Agree, certainly round me everyone was willing him on, unfortunately he tried his best to throw it away straight away. He's not that bad but clearly can't cope with nerves.
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Gazlaz: Etheridge has more ability than Marosi, you will see in time.Agreed 100%
As time goes by and his confidence in himself grows Ross will become the better goalkeeper out of the two.
Don't forget - Fergie bought him to be no.1, so he clearly rates him. From what I gather he was the main Gking target.
He's younger than Marko (by about a year) so we have two young goalkeepers who can improve.
The fact that Marko was given an extension last summer suggests to me that Fergie was always gonna give them both this year to get matchday experience for us! Should we get promotion I would expect Ross to start as no.1 next season.!
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Hi Al
I posted almost the same as that earlier in the Season and I agree. We targeted him an "they" must have seen something to get straight in there - and I trust whoevers judgement
Felt really sorry for the kid yesterday - and what a horrendous start that could have been but pleased to say he "got away with it" and hopefully that may be a change in his fortune
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Let's hope that he can now start building confidence and become the keeper that we thought we were getting. A clean sheet next week would be good but even Marosi was struggling with those.
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Maybe that stroke of luck when his poor pass resulted in Pools hitting the post, might just kick start his confidence again?
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I sit in the South and when he came on all I could hear was clapping and cheers, shout if encouragement.
When he made that mistake straight away there was some murmuring but no booing.
There was a bit of sarcastic cheering on a couple if occasions but it came from all sides of the ground.
For what it us worth, my opinion is that Marosi is the better of the two keepers.
By the way, during the pre match shoot in did anyone else notice that Ross appeared to be injured.
He was limping on his left leg and struggled to get to any low shots on his left side?
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I think the majority of the cheers when he took the 2 corners out of the air were well meant - designed to encourage him. There may have been a few sarky ones - its hard to tell - but the vast majority surely want him to do well
We want every player (and their deputies) to be as good as poss surely ?
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I sit in the South and when he came on all I could hear was clapping and cheers, shout if encouragement.
When he made that mistake straight away there was some murmuring but no booing.
There was a bit of sarcastic cheering on a couple if occasions but it came from all sides of the ground.
For what it us worth, my opinion is that Marosi is the better of the two keepers.
By the way, during the pre match shoot in did anyone else notice that Ross appeared to be injured.
He was limping on his left leg and struggled to get to any low shots on his left side?
I was in the SS and there were (regrettably) quite a lot of boos when he came on.
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I sit in the South and when he came on all I could hear was clapping and cheers, shout if encouragement.
When he made that mistake straight away there was some murmuring but no booing.
There was a bit of sarcastic cheering on a couple if occasions but it came from all sides of the ground.
For what it us worth, my opinion is that Marosi is the better of the two keepers.
By the way, during the pre match shoot in did anyone else notice that Ross appeared to be injured.
He was limping on his left leg and struggled to get to any low shots on his left side?
I was in the SS and there were (regrettably) quite a lot of boos when he came on.
:that: there was!
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Just hope we have 2 fit keepers for next game
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.... Should we get promotion I would expect Ross to start as no.1 next season.!
It will be VERY interesting to see the progression here. We are blessed to have two young keepers, both of similar quality at this time, and who can both push each other. Having an older experienced keeper with a young one as number 2 to learn from that experience is a good situation too, but that always suffers with the young one getting minimal game time, something necessary for good development.
Marosi is getting better and if we get promotion this season I think he will still be number one. There's a kind of solidity in his style. He might surprise me and continue to get better but I think Etheridge has more star potential, it's just a question of when he makes the next step up in quality. Let's hope we can hold onto both.
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Just hope we have 2 fit keepers for next game
From what Fergie said Marosi should be ok for next week. However a broken finger probably means Etheridge is out 4-6 weeks.
We can only bring in a loan keeper if we don't have a fit keeper who has played five or more games. There are always free agents of course.
I guess Louis Jones will be on the bench for the next few games.
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I've never seen someone look less like a keeper than Louis Jones. Looks about 5'6 and 14 years old.
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He is rather slight but he's recently had a loan spell at Maltby Main and apparently did well there.
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It surprises me the number of people on here believing Etheridge is/will be the better keeper. On the strength of what we have seen from him, what on earth makes people think that?
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Etheridge will never be a decent keeper until he learns to control his nerves and not shit his pants everytime he enters the pitch
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Well that is the responsibility of the manager and the fans within the Keepmoat.
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Well that is the responsibility of the manager and the fans within the Keepmoat.
I'd say they have a role to play, but ultimatley he has got to develop a thicker skin, and only he can do that
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Etheridge will never be a decent keeper until he learns to control his nerves and not shit his pants everytime he enters the pitch
That comes with experience. The crown getting on his back doesn't to help either. Our fans a generally idiots so the ironic cheers are bound to continue for a while yet.
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In support of Gaz..............I can remember my father telling me about an incident he had witnessed with a GK many years ago at Belle View.
The GK was Harry Gregg who was later on his way to Man U. Harry wasn't having a good performance in goal and the supporters were giving him stick for it. Now Harry, known for his temper and a short fuse, turned on the hecklers behind the goal and offered to change their opinion in a physical way, get my drift? Gregg was a big guy and no one was prepared to take him on.
So there we have it, one of the best keepers in the land and Donny supporters still gave him stick, so nothing new there then.
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I get that any player can have a nightmare game but Etheridge has had them in every game he's turned out for us. I do hope that he can turn it around but all I asked was on what basis do people think he is/can be better than Marosi. He has don NOTHING for us yet to suggest he will.
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Etheridge is a much better keeper than Marosi 'potentially' but so far Marosi has shown the better form. Etheridge has to blank any criticism out and concentrate on his game and keep working to get better.
Neither so far are a patch on some others that we have had. So far neither is any better than Gary Woods was. Both have a lot of work to do before i'm confident about them.
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We could be short of a keeper for next Saturday, Marosi off injured and not sure how bad it is, Etheridge has broken a finger and may not be fit, that only leaves us with the youth team keeper. Can we bring in a loan?
COYR
Yes, goalkeeper is the one position where and emergency loan signing can be made.
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Both of them would have to be crocked before we could make an emergency loan.
I would have thought Etheridge would be out a few weeks with a broken finger. Outfield players can often play on with one but not keepers. Marosi doesn't appear to be too bad, so could be ok for Saturday.
Of course we could bring in a free agent as cover.
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The way the physio was pulling at his fingers it looked as though there may have been a dislocation. Has it been confirmed officially what the diagnosis is?
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Both of them would have to be crocked before we could make an emergency loan.
I would have thought Etheridge would be out a few weeks with a broken finger. Outfield players can often play on with one but not keepers. Marosi doesn't appear to be too bad, so could be ok for Saturday.
Of course we could bring in a free agent as cover.
Could we though? not sure what date it is, but there's a deadline for free agent signings too.
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Etheridge is a much better keeper than Marosi 'potentially' but so far Marosi has shown the better form. Etheridge has to blank any criticism out and concentrate on his game and keep working to get better.
Neither so far are a patch on some others that we have had. So far neither is any better than Gary Woods was. Both have a lot of work to do before i'm confident about them.
Seriously?
Gary Woods may have been part of a championship-winning side but I've been going to Rovers since the Sixties and he's the worst I've ever seen (not counting Weaver's fat neighbour, naturally).
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I get that any player can have a nightmare game but Etheridge has had them in every game he's turned out for us. I do hope that he can turn it around but all I asked was on what basis do people think he is/can be better than Marosi. He has don NOTHING for us yet to suggest he will.
From the responses on here/chatting with other Rovers fans, I think the two main reasons that people think there is a player in there are:
1. He kept clean sheets in something like a third of his games last year at Accrington Stanley.
2. Fergie brought him in with the expressed intention of him taking the No.1 slot, which suggest either he saw him/had him watched and rated his ability and/or potential.
I'm not sure Point 1 means a lot - when we won the league I'm sure that Gary Woods had similar stats or better, but that wasn't down to his ability, more that of a rock solid back 4. With point 2, again it doesn't necessarily mean anything - he may have had one good game when he was scouted, and DF was impressed by point 1.
I'm inclined to agree with you that as yet I've seen nothing to suggest he is any good, but I'm willing to give him a chance every time he plays. His treatment on Saturday was a disgrace.
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I've see. Him and Marosi training together. Obvious who has the ability.
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Etheridge is a much better keeper than Marosi 'potentially' but so far Marosi has shown the better form. Etheridge has to blank any criticism out and concentrate on his game and keep working to get better.
Neither so far are a patch on some others that we have had. So far neither is any better than Gary Woods was. Both have a lot of work to do before i'm confident about them.
Seriously?
Gary Woods may have been part of a championship-winning side but I've been going to Rovers since the Sixties and he's the worst I've ever seen (not counting Weaver's fat neighbour, naturally).
You weren't at the Rovers v Mansfield game 66/67. We lost 4-6 and a young lad called David Cromack or Cramack I think was in goal.
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David Cromack making his league debut.
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I look at our keeper situation from a keeper and keeper coach perspective! Always have - etheridge has all the ingredients but lacks confidence in his ability - marosi isn't as tight on the ingredients but oozes confidence and doesn't get down on himself if things don't go his way! Confidence is a big thing for keepers - an error generally results in a goal against - some can appreciate conceding goals is what they're expected to do - so they don't get down when it inevitably happens - others it destroys them! Woods was a fine example - all the attributes were there - destroyed confidence from the outset when conceding 6 at Ipswich early for us - he never really recovered an Andy Bearley, Paul Crichton, Neil sullivan or Sam Johnstone would've done, samways wouldn't, Dean Williams would, turnbull would've, Ben smith couldn't - marosi strikes me as a recoverer - not sure etheridge is...yet! That goes for any level - you can see in the kid keepers at schools which ones can't regroup after a big hit and which can - it's a mentality thing! I think etheridge will in the end and he'll be the better of the two! Jmo like!
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I didn't think k he was treated badly by the fans on Saturday.
There was plenty of cheering and shouts of encouragement when he came on from around me in the South stand.
It could have been very different though had Pools scored after Ross's early mistake.
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I recall the Mansfield match with McCormack ? in our goal, he was very young and thrown in at the deep end. I do believe he had 23 goals put past him in 8 games.
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Etheridge is a much better keeper than Marosi 'potentially' but so far Marosi has shown the better form. Etheridge has to blank any criticism out and concentrate on his game and keep working to get better.
Neither so far are a patch on some others that we have had. So far neither is any better than Gary Woods was. Both have a lot of work to do before i'm confident about them.
Seriously?
Gary Woods may have been part of a championship-winning side but I've been going to Rovers since the Sixties and he's the worst I've ever seen (not counting Weaver's fat neighbour, naturally).
You weren't at the Rovers v Mansfield game 66/67. We lost 4-6 and a young lad called David Cromack or Cramack I think was in goal.
Nope, 1968 was my first game.
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The manager won't have seen this situation happening when he signed Etheridge. As much as noises were made that both had an equal chance i'm sure Marosi was expected to fill in here and there.
As it is football makes these sort of things happen. Etheridge can have all the potential in the world but he must produce his best. Just accept that the same fan giving you stick will be at the front of the queue saying he is you're biggest fan!.
People from the outside look at where we are, third in the league going along nicely what they don't see is the problems the manager has had to fix already this season.
He has a keeper very low on confidence who he thought was an almost certainty to do well who he has to bring the best from. A defence that has had multiple injuries and changes. Lost the striker considered by many to be our best forward.
He has been waiting and waiting for players to get fit. Then has had to slowly work them back into the squad. Doing all this while coping with pressure hanging over him from last years relegation.
Coping with the fans expectations. Blooding young players into the squad. Working young loan players into the squad while creating a good spirit throughout the squad.
Dealing with criticism of his three at the back. Dealing with losses when we have been the better team at times. While also trying to sort out defensive problems.
I have criticised him many times but for me he has done a fine job to have us in contention going towards christmas. You look at our squad and say ''He should be doing well with what he has available''. The problem is he has rarely had everybody fit all at once.
He has had a fair number of major problems and found the solution to many of them while still playing entertaining football-He has done very well so far!.
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Fergie confirms he has broken finger, but a wrist problem might keep him out on Saturday, Marosi should be OK though