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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Alan Southstand on November 30, 2016, 04:28:09 pm
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.....in the squad on Saturday
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Than god for that. Mandy is nowhere near as good.
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Should we expect him to be Gaz? One valid comparison since you're making them would be that he has met and exceeded all reasonable expectations for a new player coming in. As I remember it Williams (a proven L1 goalscorer) needed appreciably longer to make a meaningful contribution when required.
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Not sure weve missed him that much,that said more competition has gotta be a positive :bbscarf:
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Than god for that. Mandy is nowhere near as good.
very harsh, give the kid a break. He is 19 and stood in well In Williams absence. Williams is 30 with lots of experience. Do not try to compare a young lad starting his career and an experienced professional.
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Aye, scoring 4 in 3 at 19, he's absolutely shite...
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Than god for that. Mandy is nowhere near as good.
very harsh, give the kid a break. He is 19 and stood in well In Williams absence. Williams is 30 with lots of experience. Do not try to compare a young lad starting his career and an experienced professional.
Obviously not but we should really have a replacement that's somewhere between the two. He's got two goals in your 4 game sample really Swindon. I prefer to judge on performances and how players affect the side though.
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Two goals? I made it four in three or five in five if you take the month as a whole.
A fully fit Williams is a better option, but for me Mandeville has done a pretty good job as a stand in.
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Than god for that. Mandy is nowhere near as good.
very harsh, give the kid a break. He is 19 and stood in well In Williams absence. Williams is 30 with lots of experience. Do not try to compare a young lad starting his career and an experienced professional.
You are Mr Frost - I claim my £10...
Obviously not but we should really have a replacement that's somewhere between the two. He's got two goals in your 4 game sample really Swindon. I prefer to judge on performances and how players affect the side though.
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Good news! I wouldn't be surprised though if he's on the bench though with Mandeville starting. It wouldn't be good to drop a player who's performed well and delivered the goods.
Great selection problem to have!
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Than god for that. Mandy is nowhere near as good.
Has the Boy let us down? He is learning his trade and has done more than expected than most, but a" thank God" you are a WUM and i claim my five pounds. Easy money.
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I expect Williams to be on the bench too Barry.
If I was Mandeville and I was dropped for Saturday I'd be hammering the managers door down
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Williams on bench for me saturday then play him next tuesday in mickey mouse cup
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Than god for that. Mandy is nowhere near as good.
very harsh, give the kid a break. He is 19 and stood in well In Williams absence. Williams is 30 with lots of experience. Do not try to compare a young lad starting his career and an experienced professional.
Agreed,and when Williams was 19yrs old he scored 9 goals in 48 appearances for Hereford who were in league 2 that season.
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Than god for that. Mandy is nowhere near as good.
very harsh, give the kid a break. He is 19 and stood in well In Williams absence. Williams is 30 with lots of experience. Do not try to compare a young lad starting his career and an experienced professional.
Obviously not but we should really have a replacement that's somewhere between the two. He's got two goals in your 4 game sample really Swindon. I prefer to judge on performances and how players affect the side though.
Assuming your implication is that the penalties he scored don't really count, that doesn't exactly seem fair considering how many of our players have taken to missing them this season.
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Mandeville has done a cracking job while Williams has been out. You would expect Williams to eventually get his starting spot back. It's for Mandeville to stop him doing that by keep scoring goals and improving-a nice selection' headache' for the manager.
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Than god for that. Mandy is nowhere near as good.
very harsh, give the kid a break. He is 19 and stood in well In Williams absence. Williams is 30 with lots of experience. Do not try to compare a young lad starting his career and an experienced professional.
Some people expect our kids to start off world beaters, when they are only 3rd rate youngsters. they have to learn the game first
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Than god for that. Mandy is nowhere near as good.
very harsh, give the kid a break. He is 19 and stood in well In Williams absence. Williams is 30 with lots of experience. Do not try to compare a young lad starting his career and an experienced professional.
Some people expect our kids to start off world beaters, when they are only 3rd rate youngsters. they have to learn the game first
My comments are aimed at our lack of depth up front rather than Mandy.
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Jesus wept, you would think we haven't carried on at 2 points per game, 2 goals per game (top scorers in the division) and have a chance to go top of the league this weekend, all with Williams out for the last 7 or 8 weeks!!
Mandeville by all accounts turned the game around at Exeter and scored in all 3 of our last winning games.
Whether that proves to be a flash in the pan or not, remains to be seen, but come on Gaz, what more could the lad have done!!
Williams on the bench for me on Sat, and half a game or 60 mins in the chickenfood trophy...,
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Mandeville is far better/more confident at taking penalties than Williams. He is also better technically - by a long way in fact. Mandeville is becoming very confident with ball at feet, his twists and turns remind me of Copps at times.
Not got the same work-rate as Williams (although Williams often runs round aimlessly in some games), same finishing or heading ability.
Mandeville will maintain his place in the team and Williams will be on the bench for the next two league games at least. Having three decent strikers really isn't a problem. It's not an either or situation we'll need all three.
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He also MIGHT be more consistent than Williams. People have short memories. At the start of the season Williams was having one of those periods where he couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo. It was only the form of Big John holding things together. We can't afford to have a striker who's so inconsistent. It's alright when he's on it but what about when he's not?
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I too expect Williams to be on the bench on Saturday because Mandy has done so well.
Williams could get some game time in against Blackpool to regain match fitness.
Long term though i expect AW to be first choice along with Marquis, UNLESS Mandy does so well that it is impossible to leave him out.
Right now i think it is fair to say that AW is better than LM and that is not being disrespectful to Liam, just a fact.
I have been on the fence about Liams' prospects but have to say that in the last few games he has won me over somewhat.
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Didn't DF imply in the DFP that he might play all three?
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mmmm, could be a smokescreen so Stevenage aren't sure about how we will set up.................
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Williams has more core strength (although he sometimes goes down too easy) and on his day, is one of the better finishers around. As it stands on a level playing field, Williams would be first choice.
At this rate of development though, Mandeville will be snapping at his heels. An instinctive, intelligent player who is developing that knack of being in the right place. Once his core strength improves he's going to be a very good goal scorer.
Let's be right though, it might not be a question of either or. We have 3 strikers who score goals, we may need different combinations as the season progresses.
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I was thinking earlier on that he might pick all three but with Mandeville slightly behind Marquis & Williams. Trouble with that is, if LM doesn't score from the deeper role people could get on his back/lose faith.
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When have we ever had a youth team player come through up front better than Mandeville?
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When have we ever had a youth team player come through up front better than Mandeville?
Alick Jeffrey and Peter Kitchen?
Big boots to fill
Edit: Add Alan Warboys and maybe Mike Elwiss to that
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Brian Deane?
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So our best youth forward prospect in 20/30 years?
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His all round game against Orient was his best by a mile. The run in the team playing 90 minutes every week is showing. He doesn't look like a dog on a hot day after 10 minutes of the match as much
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Whilst ever he continues to perform and produce as he is he keeps the shirt for me. We already have bitter experience of Williams' scoring inconsistency. And Mandeville doesn't have that annoying habit of stopping to curse the football gods whenever things don't go for him.
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I for one have no problem with Williams visibly expressing frustration - it shows he cares IMHO.
It is what Fergie will want, selection dilemmas for good reasons!
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I am pretty sure Williams will come off the subs bench on the hour winning or losing -- fergie would be on a hiding to nothing if he started and got injured
common sense rules the day
when rovers first started playing stevenage (non league) for some reason there was "friction" between the times remember sky sports allowing the world to watch it for free on the sky sports news channel -- the free bit only ever happened once -- after that it was pay time
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Probably due to us poaching their manager. That worked out well, didn't it? :s
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Last time Williams had competition (Keshi) didn't it bring the best out of him?
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Funny you should mention his antics of throwing his arms in the air in frustration. At first it seemed a bit OTT and a plea for sympathy, but having watched him more closely off the ball, he does it when other players go close etc. That's just how he is, and perhaps like you say, he does genuinely care.
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He does it in training a lot too apparently, especially when he misses one on ones.
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Probably due to us poaching their manager. That worked out well, didn't it? :s
Wignall did a decent job under trying personal times. A fair few of the players who did well under Penney were signed by him. We were very well organised defensively we just didn't score enough goals. His part in our success is very underrated. His team were the start of us being serious challengers for promotion.
Was Wignall not liked by our supporters on the whole?. Yes he didn't quite achieve what we wanted him to but he set a solid base for Penney's reign.
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It would be a kick in the teeth if Williams walks into the side over Mandeville and could knock his confidence. If Mandeville don't score on a game a willo comes on and scores then he wins the shirt imo.
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Probably due to us poaching their manager. That worked out well, didn't it? :s
Wignall did a decent job under trying personal times. A fair few of the players who did well under Penney were signed by him. We were very well organised defensively we just didn't score enough goals. His part in our success is very underrated. His team were the start of us being serious challengers for promotion.
Was Wignall not liked by our supporters on the whole?. Yes he didn't quite achieve what we wanted him to but he set a solid base for Penney's reign.
We were nothing more than mid table plodders under Wignall