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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Padge_DRFC on December 10, 2016, 04:54:27 pm
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For Coppinger. Violent conduct
Who comes in? Same formation. 3 massive games as well!
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Why the hell when you have just got an 89th min penalty do you get yourself sent off. Can somebody tell me. If it was retaliation at that late stage he should lose his wages. what in heaven's name happened.
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Stupid. We will miss him badly over the next three games. Christmas will make us or break us.
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If you make a
Mistake at work Bally do you lose your wages?
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Not what you'd expect from Coppinger, he's going to be a big miss for the next few games now. Really shot ourselves in the foot here.
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Stupid. We will miss him badly over the next three games. Christmas will make us or break us.
Christmas will make us or break us !!!! BEHAVE !!!
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Will be appealed, surely. Keeper was taunting our player for missing the penalty, Coppinger went to confront the keeper. His conduct was not violent.
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What exactly did Coppinger do? No one seems to have said.
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I'm sure it was one of their players who was in Mandevilles face after he missed not the keeper. Copps went over to stick up for him (no arms raised) and the trouble ended up in the goal mouth where a few players were arguing.
Still a mystery to why it was a red but to me their penalty was the same, striker had a bad touch and ran into our defender who was stood still!?. Have to see highlights but looked a shocking decision from where I was sitting.
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Will be appealed, surely. Keeper was taunting our player for missing the penalty, Coppinger went to confront the keeper. His conduct was not violent.
Tell us more Nigel. Were you there??
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Reports fro fans there and commentators say it wasn't violent conduct. Copps just intervening to stop their player gloating at Manderville.
Even if Copps pushed him away, the ref should have seen what was happening. At best a booking for both players.
Yet again, one of the many injustices in football when the perpetrator escapes without punishment!
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Can it be appealed if he hasn't done anything wrong?
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If we've got some decent video footage of the incident we may be able to appeal.
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Will be appealed, surely. Keeper was taunting our player for missing the penalty, Coppinger went to confront the keeper. His conduct was not violent.
Tell us more Nigel. Were you there??
Yes,I was there. Keeper should have been booked at least for unsporting conduct. Coppinger did not hit the keeper, he only confronted him. Referee got it totally wrong.
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Fergie's just told Liam Hoden he's considering an appeal.
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I'm sure DF will stick up for Copps exemplary record if an injustice has been done.
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Will be appealed, surely. Keeper was taunting our player for missing the penalty, Coppinger went to confront the keeper. His conduct was not violent.
In which case we don't have a problem then.
It can be appealed and overturned
Tell us more Nigel. Were you there??
Yes,I was there. Keeper should have been booked at least for unsporting conduct. Coppinger did not hit the keeper, he only confronted him. Referee got it totally wrong.
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Either way, 2-0 down and on 90 mins the game is over, why get involved and get a straight red? Silly and unprofessional of coppinger
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'confronting' someone is hardly a red card offense. He must have done something extra. No one seems to know or have seen what.
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Some reports suggest he said something to the ref afterwards
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Either way, 2-0 down and on 90 mins the game is over, why get involved and get a straight red? Silly and unprofessional of coppinger
Because the c-u-next-Tuesday of a goalkeeper (who lest we forget once killed two kids while driving drunk) had a go at a team mate. And a young team mate at that.
It's what teams do. If he's not done anything violent no way should he have been sent off.
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Free press reporting it as grabbing their keeper by the throat
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Copps did the right thing then. Something must have really irked him, hardly got that kind of temperament has he copps?
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Copps did the right thing then. Something must have really irked him, hardly got that kind of temperament has he copps?
Sharing a playing field with that waste of oxygen would be enough.
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They'll be a welcoming party at the keepmoat for this Kitson
Liam HodenVerified account @liamhoden 3m3 minutes ago
The McCormick incident was disgraceful and wholly unneccessary. 2-0 up and goading a 19yo who has missed a penalty. Very classy
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As the captain copps did the right thing by protecting the young players it was never violent conduct
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Got a feeling that McCormack will be in the receiving end of a bit more abuse when he next plays at the KMS
COYR
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Their supporters love him. Scum
http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=97155&sid=68a0d619938963bc3b06e2b76a2cd0ce
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Free press reporting it as grabbing their keeper by the throat
He didnt grab him by anything. All handbags!
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Just seen the highlights and Copps had his hands on him and then someone comes into the back of him and a melee ensued which made it worse.
For me it's not violent conduct and the ref got in wrong. Depends what the disciplinary panel make of it.
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Copps did grab him by the throat. McCormick is a complete scum lowlife who somehow got a second chance in football. Regarding copps, Heat of the moment thing and you could understand any player doing the same when you see a teammate being taunted for missing a penalty.
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If that's the case he is banned for 3 games for sure. Mandeville will play behind the strikers
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The only thing the Plymouth fans got right on their forum is that Copps is our main man.
If he is banned he will be a massive miss for us.
A couple of pathetic posts on here about fining him and him being unprofessional, especially without any facts.
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Copps did grab him by the throat. McCormick is a complete scum lowlife who somehow got a second chance in football. Regarding copps, Heat of the moment thing and you could understand any player doing the same when you see a teammate being taunted for missing a penalty.
Im with you on that... probably not the best thing hes done but at least it shows he cares and pissed off that we're getting beat. Anyone whos played the game has surely done the same at some point.
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Maybe some "holier than thou's" would disagree.
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They don't like it that we are having a go at "super Luke" 0on their forum, saying it was the worst away following in years.
Don't think I've ever seen Plymouth take a decent following anywhere.
Isn't the piece of shit their captain as well? Speaks volumes about the club for me.
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I think the character of the two men in question speaks for itself.
It's so far beyond comparison its a joke.
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Yes, McCormick is their captain and the likeyhood is that him and Copps will have to shake hands at the start of the return match.
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It would definitely be worth an appeal. As you said there was no physical assault. Copps was simply defending his young player from a child murdering kitson.
Football is the only profession where you kill someone (two children no less) and still keep your job. I sometimes wonder about this so called 'great game' we allegedly love.
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Free press said it. Must be true
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All i saw was Copps hand on the keepers chest not even pushing him.
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(http://m.plymouthherald.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276351/binaries/McCormick%20Coppinger.jpg)
Hand on him here...
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(http://m.plymouthherald.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276351/binaries/McCormick%20Coppinger.jpg)
Hand on him here...
A shame he didn't strangle him to death.
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Shortly before.
(http://i.imgur.com/MtTl0FH.png)
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Hmm another day that's a yellow card
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McCormick is a piece of scum who should never have played on a football pitch again after what he did. Hopefully common sense prevails here.
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That piece of low life shit, killed two young boys while driving drunk, the bas**rd should n't be walking the streets a free man, never mind playing football. That alone shows what kind of shite he is, lesson in life obviously not learned by him
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I'm surprised no one has attacked him at a match yet. Still we can hope.
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That piece of low life shit, killed two young boys while driving drunk, the bas**rd should n't be walking the streets a free man, never mind playing football. That alone shows what kind of shite he is, lesson in life obviously not learned by him
Maybe so but the justice system found him guilty of causing death by dangerous driving etc and no doubt it is the tariffs that are wrong
He was done for it and has returned to work as have many others such as Actors , other Footballers who used to play for WBA for example and butchers bakers and candlestick makers for all sorts of serious offences
It is up to us all to toughen the law to make the punishment fit the crime
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This has nothing to do with his past. Don't let that cloud your judgement.
Copps was making his point about McCormick's ungentlemanly conduct. Had the other players had not come steaming in then it wouldn't have looked as bad.
It's definitely worth an appeal, and I don't know if Copps exemplary record will count for anything, but depends whether 'hands on' is deemed to be violent.
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This has nothing to do with his past. Don't let that cloud your judgement.
Copps was making his point about McCormick's ungentlemanly conduct. Had the other players had not come steaming in then it wouldn't have looked as bad.
It's definitely worth an appeal, and I don't know if Copps exemplary record will count for anything, but depends whether 'hands on' is deemed to be violent.
I disagree, his actions and remorse in the past should have made him a better person. His actions today showed that he's just the same piece of shit
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You've got to wonder how many players, never mind fans, are parents, who face McCormick each week and have to restrain themselves from saying/doing something to him. Copps has young kids, and maybe this tipped him over the edge, especially when McCormick is their captain (terrible decision by the club) and should be acting as a role model.
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Morally maybe, but that won't help Copps' case.
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If you make a
Mistake at work Bally do you lose your wages?
No I would have lost my job. I was a Policeman
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Also Copps did play for local rival's Exeter City, so there might have been some old scores to settle.
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I have changed my mind he should have strangled the bas**rd.
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25th march should be fun then when McCormick is stood in the south stand end goal 👍.. ✊
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Rowe will play in Copps position. He's better anyway.
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I doubt it will worry him Rich, he will get it every away game.
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If you make a
Mistake at work Bally do you lose your wages?
No I would have lost my job. I was a Policeman
hmmmm!
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Just seen the Sky highlights, and if that is a red card then what has our game come to. If Copps gets Red then at least 4 Plymouth players should
And the Plymouth penalty - very soft - their player overhit the ball hopelessly
Our pen soft as well - Blair was looking for it
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Rowe will play in Copps position. He's better anyway.
Aye, and Marquis wont score more than 10 goals this season...
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Agree Dutch. Two soft pens. Copps touched him on the shoulder and if that's a red the game's gone. Yellow at worst and the child killer should have got one for taunting Mandeville.
Have had a few interactions with Plymouth "fans" on social media tonight. Hope they are not representative of their club. Low life.
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It's not a red card, it's a yellow card for Copps and yellow of their pillock keeper if the ref is looking to manage the game properly. It won't get changed though because they always side with the refs version.
I think Butler needs to have a quiet reflection about both those goals. Extremely sloppy by himself.
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Rowe won't play there because neither Keegan or Middleton can play the left hand side of the diamond. Mandeville will play in Coppinger role and Williams will come back in. The FA will not change the decision. We'll see Coppinger again Jan 2nd
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Quote from Matty Blair in the Plymouth Herald said what McCormick did was outrageous and disgusting.
From what I can make out the ref appeared to be acting on advice from the linesman.
What was Butler doing. Another hospital pass!
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Just seen the Sky highlights, and if that is a red card then what has our game come to. If Copps gets Red then at least 4 Plymouth players should
And the Plymouth penalty - very soft - their player overhit the ball hopelessly
Our pen soft as well - Blair was looking for it
If thats violent conduct those Southern tosser must be softer than we thought. How has the keeper got away scot free there?
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Older pro sticking up for the youngster in the team i would have been more disappointed if he hadn't done it. The kids on the floor and he is towering over him giving him s..t.
From the highlights it shows Coppinger grab his throat. If that's a sending off why don't we all pack it in and watch tennis?. A travesty if it doesn't get rescinded.
The only thing i can add is the radio commentators said ''he had been in the referee's face all game''. I wasn't there so i don't know.
He might as well have just gone back and stuck the nut on him. Get sent off for something if you are accused of it.
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Ironic that people are calling McCormick a murderer and then saying he should be murdered.
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(http://m.plymouthherald.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276351/binaries/McCormick%20Coppinger.jpg)
Hand on him here...
have a look at that Plymouth players foot is seems to be in an unusual position almost as if he put it under copps foot so he had to steady himself or maybe copps felt pressurised (slight push) from behind worth checking out
remember he is down only to miss one home game and two away - and he would be targeted by both Notts teams just like Chessie went after him last season
also carlisles centre half who had played all 20 league matches got a red card for "testing the strength" of that Luton players mask as the commentator put it so he's out for 3 games
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25th march should be fun then when McCormick is stood in the south stand end goal 👍.. ✊💦
Lets hope we "barrack" the right person. Last time people tried "barracking" Norris for supporting McCormick they ended up singling out a totally wrong Player. The Clue this time will be the Keepers jersey I suppose !
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CLH
Also others, if you look at the keepers feet and body, he is actually leaning in and towering above Copps, surely provocation BUT he was the home player and Refs are no doubt aware of the treatment the poor soul endures at games and is trying to get back his life. What utter Crap.. Remorse is what Solicitors tell their clients to show in Court, be subdued and go smart and a sentence will be lighter, be polite to the judge (and hide your disgust for the courts) seen it too many times over 27 years and then the laughs and sniggers outside the court afterwards. Call me cynical but I do have experience in it.. Drink too much then take a weapon in your hands knowing you should not do so is as bad as holding a loaded gun. if you drive towards people
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He served about 3 years of a 7 year sentence, those 2 boys lives were snuffed out forever, while that piece of shit carries on his life like nothing happened and continues to show disrespect for fellow human beings!
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He served about 3 years of a 7 year sentence, those 2 boys lives were snuffed out forever, while that piece of shit carries on his life like nothing happened and continues to show disrespect for fellow human beings!
f**king Hell. He made a mistake, one hopefully none of us will make He's expressed remorse, he's also got to live with what he did all his life. that won't be an easy thing for him to do and I can almost guarantee he thinks about it everyday. get off your high horse!
Copps went running in after the incident and lost his head. As soon as you grab someone by the throat its a straight red. Copps made it easy for the referee. McCormick, for whatever you think of him, didn't make Copps grab him round the throat. He did that all himself.
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Didnt Copps get sent off at Scunny a few years ago for the same thing?
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He served about 3 years of a 7 year sentence, those 2 boys lives were snuffed out forever, while that piece of shit carries on his life like nothing happened and continues to show disrespect for fellow human beings!
f**king Hell. He made a mistake, one hopefully none of us will make He's expressed remorse, he's also got to live with what he did all his life. that won't be an easy thing for him to do and I can almost guarantee he thinks about it everyday. get off your high horse!
Copps went running in after the incident and lost his head. As soon as you grab someone by the throat its a straight red. Copps made it easy for the referee. McCormick, for whatever you think of him, didn't make Copps grab him round the throat. He did that all himself.
Awww I feel so sorry for him now you've said that. Maybe a fund raiser to help him out as well?
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That was the most frustrating game I have watched in many years. I haven't looked at the stats but I can't remember a decent effort on goal. Admittedly we played some pretty stuff in the first two thirds of the pitch but no end product. We never looked like scoring.
I can't totally defend Copps and his actions because there is more than one way to skin a cat and poor old Copps allowed himself to be set up. What their GK did was disgusting and should have been equally punished. The GK wound Mandy up before the penalty which may well have affected his effort on goal? I didn't like to see the GK winding up Mandy but it happens just look at Marquis, he does it every week.
Was it worth a red? NO, should the keeper have been punished? Yes.
I was pleased that our supporters never entered the field of play.
When you "live by the sword you die by the sword" and that GK will get some stick in the return. It can be issued professionally and Marquis is my man but not at the expense of the result or another sending off which is always the danger.
I think Bally's suggested action is slightly over the top but I admit it went through my mind as well at the time.
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Their supporters really are thick.
All they come back with is how bad our support was yesterday.
Almost 400 for 6 hour trek to an away game a couple of weeks before Christmas is excellent in this division.
A quick glance at their away followings indicates they travel in marginally higher numbers and they certainly won't bring many more here for the return game.
Still any set f supporters who claim that excuse of a man is a hero are certainly missing a brain cell or two
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25th march should be fun then when McCormick is stood in the south stand end goal 👍.. ✊💦
Lets hope we "barrack" the right person. Last time people tried "barracking" Norris for supporting McCormick they ended up singling out a totally wrong Player. The Clue this time will be the Keepers jersey I suppose !
I remember that, poor Moritz Volz kept getting rinsed every time he came to take a throw-in. Don't think he even had the same colour hair as Norris!
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If the ref had used a bit of common sense he'd have booked both McCormick and Copps.
Can't see us getting the red overturned, although I was surprised to see Jonjo Shelvey getting one scrubbed last week. Watford had a chap sent off for a scuffle (with James McClean, another real charmer) and they managed to argue that three games was excessive. It was reduced to one. That might be the route to go down.
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I would question why the youngest player on the pitch was chosen to take the penalty in the 1st place but what followed was disgusting. I personally can't blame Copps for trying to protect and support his young colleague, Copps would not be the player he is if he did not have such passion for the game. But Mc Cormack's conduct was disgusting, however, he should remember that what goes around comes around. He will get his just deserts one day.
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I would question why the youngest player on the pitch was chosen to take the penalty in the 1st place but what followed was disgusting. I personally can't blame Copps for trying to protect and support his young colleague, Copps would not be the player he is if he did not have such passion for the game. But Mc Cormack's conduct was disgusting, however, he should remember that what goes around comes around. He will get his just deserts one day.
Because he'd scored his last three penalties
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I would question why the youngest player on the pitch was chosen to take the penalty in the 1st place but what followed was disgusting. I personally can't blame Copps for trying to protect and support his young colleague, Copps would not be the player he is if he did not have such passion for the game. But Mc Cormack's conduct was disgusting, however, he should remember that what goes around comes around. He will get his just deserts one day.
Because he'd scored his last three penalties
I think its more than that, 5 or 6 isn't it this season with all the EL Trophy shoot-outs?
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Didnt Copps get sent off at Scunny a few years ago for the same thing?
I seem to recall that was for a bad tackle. He did once get sent off for reacting to a foul when he was at Exeter. It delayed his debut for us.
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Did Mandeville say anything before the Pen to provoke it?
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Did Mandeville say anything before the Pen to provoke it?
Who got close enough to hear. I doubt it personally bearing in mind if he score then they kick off and play keep ball, would really seem pointless in him shooting his gob off, more like a young kid up against a very nasty person, who actually was mugged by the kid and went the wrong way 6 inches sideways and the ball was in the net, but it wasn't and it didn't
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The GK went up to Mandy, when he had placed the ball on the sport, and started his windup to put Mandy off, the ref must have heard that as he was only feet away and yet did nothing.
That was the GK's plan and on the surface it worked. Mandy's reaction after his shot missed was to go down to a kneeling position and it was then the GK towered over Mandy and appeared to deliver his abuse, I say appeared because he was hardly likely to offer any comfort and in old money that is "ungentlemanly conduct" and a yellow card. It was definitely an aggressive action. The ref was only feet away from the spot kick and never did anything. Had the ref been in control at this point and took action against the GK there would not have been an incident.
The reason I thought Copps had his hand on the GK's upper chest was because the GK started to lean in to Copps and Copps was trying to maintain his personal space. The GK pushed in to Copps personal space, and that, as far as I am concerned, is an assault on Copps and not the other way around. The red card should be receded.
Because the ref never saw the incident video evidence can and should be used to punish the GK as he provoked the incident in the first place.
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The GK went up to Mandy, when he had placed the ball on the sport, and started his windup to put Mandy off, the ref must have heard that as he was only feet away and yet did nothing.
You mean just like Neil Sullivan at Brentford except Sulli got booked for it aye I love the consistency of these "officials"
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I agree with Alickismyhero that the card should be overturned but it is highly unlikely.
There was no aggressive action by Copps at all.
We are after all just Donny Rovers.
Now if Arsenalor Man Utd had appealed over something similar it would get a different response.
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To be fair with the ref, on the whole, I thought he had a good game with that one exception, he lost control. If a ref gets all the big decisions right and eight out of 10 of the minor ones right he's had a fantastic game and I say that as a retired youth ref of many years experience, and I admit, I made some right bloomers.
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The GK went up to Mandy, when he had placed the ball on the sport, and started his windup to put Mandy off, the ref must have heard that as he was only feet away and yet did nothing.
You mean just like Neil Sullivan at Brentford except Sulli got booked for it aye I love the consistency of these "officials"
That penalty was a very interesting incident and you make a very good point about Sully's booking. We were at the other end from the penalty and never knew why Mr Oliver had given it so I got in touch with him and he sent a message saying "it was for reckless play" by McCombe.
A very happy day ensued at Brentford unlike the Plymouth game but we are still enjoying a short break in Looe at the moment with superb weather, that's life, time to move on.
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I think the fans should pull it up to pay the FA fine.
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He shouldn't have been banned, their keeper is an idiot.
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I wouldn't say the keeper was an idiot because he knew what he was doing and it worked.
A nasty piece of work if you ask me.
Now lets see if he can take the friendly banter in the return.
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DO we know what Mandeville said to him before. He may have spent the rest of the game telling the keeper he was a shit house and that he would score. He may have just give him some back. we don't know. All we do know is the penalty was missed, Copps reacted well over the top of how he should have and now we have three games without one of our better players.
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We wouldn't know, but to even raise the point seems nonsense.
Madevellie comes across as a very laid-back, mellow kid - both in speaking and on the pitch. Hardly one to start trouble.
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I think we should just run 'Don't drink and Drive' ads on the big screen all game. That'd be a nice touch.
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What I would like to see........if we win? then the whole team go over to their GK and shake him by the hand with a big big grin.....I believe that would really get under his skin and yet keep within the "RESPECT" part of the game.
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We wouldn't know, but to even raise the point seems nonsense.
Madevellie comes across as a very laid-back, mellow kid - both in speaking and on the pitch. Hardly one to start trouble.
Is it nonsense because it doesn't go with the one sided view of the incident Rovers supporters have? If this was the other way around and it was Marko Marosi being grabbed round the throat by the other teams captain, we would be screaming blue murder. Copps f**ked up, he's now got a three game suspension.
And if you don't think any footballer wouldn't have a word in someones ear to try and get under their skin and get an advantage, even someone as mild mannered as Liam Mandeville, you are very niave! they all do, I've done it and I'm a delight!
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I don't mind the keeper trying to put the taker off. Part of the game. What I did object to was McCormick gloating in a very direct way once Mandeville had missed.
And what Copps did was not violent by any means. A booking would be reasonable, but the referee has totally over-reacted. It will be difficult to get it overturned unless the referee has second thoughts once he sees the video.
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Crikey, Rigos got competition for posting the most contrariness piddle on here tonight.
Let's start by pointing out the hypocrisy of your profile picture.
Next, let's address this notion that 'if this was the other way round'.. 'this happens at every club nonsense'. NO. Quite clearly it doesn't. Some clubs develop much better cultures than others.
Can you imagine Andy Warrington or Neil Sullivan running out to taunt a young lad after he's missed a penalty ?! Can you imagine the look on Rob Jones' face or any of the other great characters we've had at this club back in the dressing room?
Let me also tell you. Copps has absolutely not f**ked up. Not one person in that dressing room or Fergie himself (or 95% of fans) will think that. The morale and togetherness of the team will be far better in the long run.
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I don't mind the keeper trying to put the taker off. Part of the game. What I did object to was McCormick gloating in a very direct way once Mandeville had missed.
And what Copps did was not violent by any means. A booking would be reasonable, but the referee has totally over-reacted. It will be difficult to get it overturned unless the referee has second thoughts once he sees the video.
That's how I see it as well
As you suggest elsewhere TRB, maybe the lack of violence might be used as a mitigating factor to reduce the ban from 3 matches to 1 match
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Has the 'unsporting behaviour' offence gone out of the game?. To me the keeper should get a yellow card for that. Coppinger at most should have got a yellow for raising his hands. A proper referee wouldn't have sent a player off for grabbing somebodies throat.
A yellow for both and both told to grow up.
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Crikey, Rigos got competition for posting the most contrariness piddle on here tonight.
Let's start by pointing out the hypocrisy of your profile picture.
Next, let's address this notion that 'if this was the other way round'.. 'this happens at every club nonsense'. NO. Quite clearly it doesn't. Some clubs develop much better cultures than others.
Can you imagine Andy Warrington or Neil Sullivan running out to taunt a young lad after he's missed a penalty ?! Can you imagine the look on Rob Jones' face or any of the other great characters we've had at this club back in the dressing room?
Let me also tell you. Copps has absolutely not f**ked up. Not one person in that dressing room or Fergie himself (or 95% of fans) will think that. The morale and togetherness of the team will be far better in the long run.
Well I think Copps missing three massive games because he can't control himself and grabbed someone by the throat is f**king up. Some of the things said about this are amazing he grabbed the bloke by the throat there is pictoral evidence. no doubt it is in the referees report and now he will miss important games against Grimsby, Notts COunty and Mansfield. Our best chance of winning this league is with our best eleven players on the pitch, and now we don't because Coppinger grabbed their keeper round the throat. he should know better.
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The referee at the home game will be well advised by Plymouth FC as to what they believe their keeper is going to be subjected to and ask for protection and sadly this will be afforded him. Because that is what it is all about "Respect" Any Donny player does anything wrong and I tell you they will get a card, and Plymouth will soak it all up and fall down at the slightest breeze. I am certain of that. THe Rovers will be told they make sure that the stewards eject anyone bearing insulting signs or flags and also anyone giving verbal abuse will also go out.
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I wouldn't appeal...It's a straight red card by the rule book,and it may get increased to 4 games,so I would accept it and move on..it's not morally right of course but those are the rules...
At the end of the day...Mandeville,Copps and us can sleep at night...He will never have those boys far from his mind if there is any justice...I am also a bit uncomfortable with using that incident to goad him on his return...Not for his sake,but we need to remember two young boys died and there parents lives destroyed by this man and show them respect...
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Copps has definitely grabbed him by the throat (albeit momentarily), will be extremely tough to get that overturned.
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The referee at the home game will be well advised by Plymouth FC as to what they believe their keeper is going to be subjected to and ask for protection and sadly this will be afforded him. Because that is what it is all about "Respect" Any Donny player does anything wrong and I tell you they will get a card, and Plymouth will soak it all up and fall down at the slightest breeze. I am certain of that. THe Rovers will be told they make sure that the stewards eject anyone bearing insulting signs or flags and also anyone giving verbal abuse will also go out.
Crikey bally, half of the fans in the ground will be ejected then if that is the case.
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He should know better, if you're judging this just based on hindsight, but in the heat of the moment if you see an opponent giving it the big one to a particularly young team-mate who's just missed a penalty, quite a lot of folk would want to go wading in and potentially knock the f**k out of the opponent.
You can't blame him in that respect as it's a human reaction.
It's done with, for now. It's sh*t for the guy that he's going to miss three games, but that's life. It'd just be sh*t for McCormick too, if he got wound up at a few comments/tactics in the return game.
Surely the referee should be unbiased and un-swayed by anything like that, and judge the game by what goes on during the 90 minutes??
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The referee has to follow the rules of the game as that's what the guy sat in the stands is assessing him on...If you raise your hands intentionally to the throat or head of an opponent it's a straight red and once the referee has seen it or been informed of that there is no other action he can take....He doesn't have the option to take anything into account and on that basis he has no complaints...Morally justified is a different argument but for me an appeal would be foolish and I would be amazed if we did.....
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Do we know if the Rovers have appealed or not the sending off?
COYR
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We don't. I suspect they will look at the video and seek advice from someone who knows how the appeals process works.
Interestingly Carlisle have appealed their player's dismissal at Luton. I think they are basing it on the fact that the referee didn't see it and it was reported by a linesman. Interesting to see how they get on.
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It will be interesting to see if the linesmans decision is with held then.
We won the World Cup on a linesmans decision.
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It will be interesting to see if the linesmans decision is with held then.
We won the World Cup on a linesmans decision.
.... true but of course he was wrong !
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He should know better, if you're judging this just based on hindsight, but in the heat of the moment if you see an opponent giving it the big one to a particularly young team-mate who's just missed a penalty, quite a lot of folk would want to go wading in and potentially knock the f**k out of the opponent.
You can't blame him in that respect as it's a human reaction.
It's done with, for now. It's sh*t for the guy that he's going to miss three games, but that's life. It'd just be sh*t for McCormick too, if he got wound up at a few comments/tactics in the return game.
Hardly worth me paying my entry because I for sure am going to get booted out and I am not scared of using the gob
Surely the referee should be unbiased and un-swayed by anything like that, and judge the game by what goes on during the 90 minutes??
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thought it was me with impaired vision ?
"grabbed him by the throat" .. Copps index finger is the only digit above the collar
and the left hand is horizontally flat across the chest whilst a bloke 6 inches taller
is leaning into his space ...
I really do pity some of you, you must do it on purpose
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He should know better, if you're judging this just based on hindsight, but in the heat of the moment if you see an opponent giving it the big one to a particularly young team-mate who's just missed a penalty, quite a lot of folk would want to go wading in and potentially knock the f**k out of the opponent.
You can't blame him in that respect as it's a human reaction.
It's done with, for now. It's sh*t for the guy that he's going to miss three games, but that's life. It'd just be sh*t for McCormick too, if he got wound up at a few comments/tactics in the return game.
Surely the referee should be unbiased and un-swayed by anything like that, and judge the game by what goes on during the 90 minutes??
I don't get why you've quoted my post, nor what point you're trying to make.
Because I was using my phone and accidentally clicked on the quote button for the adjacent post (yours) instead of that of Bally which was next...
The referee at the home game will be well advised by Plymouth FC as to what they believe their keeper is going to be subjected to and ask for protection and sadly this will be afforded him. Because that is what it is all about "Respect" Any Donny player does anything wrong and I tell you they will get a card, and Plymouth will soak it all up and fall down at the slightest breeze. I am certain of that. THe Rovers will be told they make sure that the stewards eject anyone bearing insulting signs or flags and also anyone giving verbal abuse will also go out.
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Copps 3 match
PERSON CLUB START END TOTAL
James Coppinger Doncaster Rovers 10.12.2016 31.12.2016 3
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thought it was me with impaired vision ?
"grabbed him by the throat" .. Copps index finger is the only digit above the collar
and the left hand is horizontally flat across the chest whilst a bloke 6 inches taller
is leaning into his space ...
I really do pity some of you, you must do it on purpose
Thank you Danum, thought it was just me who sees the same as you have
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Just seen on t**tter that the club isn't going to appeal.
I can see Rowe taking on the centre mid position, but that would mean Calder or Evina playing left midfield?
I would consider putting Marquis in Copps' role and leaving Mandeville and Williams up front. Yes that does mean all our leading forwards starting, but it is only for 3 games and then in a few weeks the window is open for loans etc should, god forbid, one of those three pick up an injury.
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I'd be happy if Rowe moved into the middle and Evina played out wide. He's much more a winger than a defender.
Equally Mandeville has been known to play behind the strikers (the role which Copps has been playing) so push him deeper and start Williams.
It's shit Copps being suspended, but it makes me feel slightly better that we do have options available.
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I'll be very surprised if Evina ever makes the starting XI again.
I think Rowe will play more central but how he'll organise Marquis, Williams and Mandeville remains to be seen.
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Two options for me:
Rowe on the point of the diamond with Calder on the left.
Mandeville on point, Rowe on the left.
It's possible we will see both deployed on Saturday.
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Two options for me:
Rowe on the point of the diamond with Calder on the left.
Mandeville on point, Rowe on the left.
It's possible we will see both deployed on Saturday.
I agree with these and would be happy to start with either. But could he go back to a 3-5-2 and play houghton with either Keegan or Middleton and Rowe just in front. I am hoping he doesn't but it wouldn't surprise me.
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You are scaring me with that projected starting line up.
I also hope not because we will probably lose if he goes that way.
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Agreed. Need to make as few changes as possible.
Personally I would go with Rowe/ Mandeville will Williams partnering Marquis up top. But I wouldn't have a great problem if it's Calder / Rowe.
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Anyone but Calder. Worst player I've seen for years.
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Beestin in the Coppinger role would be my pick. Give him an opportunity.