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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: MrFrost on December 10, 2016, 05:13:57 pm
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We need a win. Going into Christmas after a couple of defeats would be bad.
A shame today's result will knock several hundred off the crowd. According to the ticket office we've sold less than 4000 home tickets in total.
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Oh for goodness sake give it a rest
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Oh for goodness sake give it a rest
Don't reply if you don't like what I post
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Is your profession a full time undertaker Mr frost, if not You would make a great coop for Steadmens funeral services.
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We're doomed! Doomed, I tell ya
Or perhaps not.
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Week before xmas were never going to get a bumper home crowd, the ones that don't normally go are not going to be excited by Grimsby, or anyone else in this league unfortunately
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We won't get a bumper crowd what ever. We're probably the 5th most supported team in our own town behind Leeds Man utd Liverpool and Sheffield Wednesday. Maybe even behind the saddos that support Newcastle as well
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Week before xmas were never going to get a bumper home crowd, the ones that don't normally go are not going to be excited by Grimsby, or anyone else in this league unfortunately
The week before Christmas has nothing to do with it. Hasn't effected the Grimsby turn out.
We are a poorly supported team.
We probably won't come close to selling out at Mansfield either.
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We need a win. Going into Christmas after a couple of defeats would be bad.
A shame today's result will knock several hundred off the crowd. According to the ticket office we've sold less than 4000 home tickets in total.
So there's 20 mins left in the match after going 2-0 down, and the first comment you can come up with is about the attendance next week?
Unbelievable!
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We need a win. Going into Christmas after a couple of defeats would be bad.
A shame today's result will knock several hundred off the crowd. According to the ticket office we've sold less than 4000 home tickets in total.
So there's 20 mins left in the match after going 2-0 down, and the first comment you can come up with is about the attendance next week?
Unbelievable!
Yeah, why not.
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I'm only winding up. It just annoys me
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Week before xmas were never going to get a bumper home crowd, the ones that don't normally go are not going to be excited by Grimsby, or anyone else in this league unfortunately
The week before Christmas has nothing to do with it. Hasn't effected the Grimsby turn out.
We are a poorly supported team.
We probably won't come close to selling out at Mansfield either.
I agree yes but not long ago we were playing Leicester Derby etc. So that's why I can't see many more deciding to come to this game
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Week before xmas were never going to get a bumper home crowd, the ones that don't normally go are not going to be excited by Grimsby, or anyone else in this league unfortunately
The week before Christmas has nothing to do with it. Hasn't effected the Grimsby turn out.
We are a poorly supported team.
We probably won't come close to selling out at Mansfield either.
I agree yes but not long ago we were playing Leicester Derby etc. So that's why I can't see many more deciding to come to this game
Our average at home is about 4400. You'd think it would be 5000 home fans minimum.
I think the general thought was if we were near the top this season supporters would come back when in reality we've lost them regardless of what we do in the future.
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Frosty, supporting Donny Rovers embarrasses you because we're a poorly supported club. I feel for you. Might I suggest you go and support one of the massive clubs on our doorstep like L**ds of the Fowls? Make you feel proud to be massive along with the rest of them.
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We have always been a team that has had up and down attendances. We have 4-5 thousand hardcore supporters we used to have fifteen hundred. Everywhere you go in Doncaster you see young kids wearing our shirts.
We have a newish stadium we have a good squad of players. Owners that aren't involved in the club to do us harm. Yes the way our club does some things is frustrating but there is a lot of good things happening for us.
We had a spell in the championship how many sides of our size can say that?. And we didn't just make the numbers up we were very competitive for a few years!.
The Grimsby game in my opinion will be about 8.5 to 9 thousand there. We were relegated unless you have a massive support you lose fans. The club has tried to help time and again with ticket offers. They can't do much more other than beg fans to attend.
Fans will go to games when they want to or can afford to. If other sides see us as small time, so what?. We are what we are. We're ambitious without being stupid. Until the public of Doncaster get to games in great numbers regularly then that ambition will always be restricted.
I'm very happy with the squad we have. There are bits and pieces that need to improve. Hopefully those things do improve then we get to play a league above.
We deserve to be in this league because we were not good enough. The managers job is to improve all aspects of the squad so if we got promoted we would be mentally, physically and technically good enough to compete higher up.
I don't really concern myself how many turn up only if i'm there. I understand the worrying but there is no point. Unless we got back in the championship then many of those fans you won't see again!.
We've got a massive battle to get out of this league first. I would expect crowds to improve due to greater away followings and an increase in ours probably in the hundreds if we got back into league one.
We support a decent little club that tries to do things the right way. Be happy in that.
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Our average at home is about 4400. You'd think it would be 5000 home fans minimum.
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Why?
I guess you don't remember the 1990's or the 2000's.
BobG
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Our average at home is about 4400. You'd think it would be 5000 home fans minimum.
Why?
I guess you don't remember the 1990's or the 2000's.
BobG
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I reckon it's you who can't remember the 2000s
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We have always been a team that has had up and down attendances. We have 4-5 thousand hardcore supporters we used to have fifteen hundred. Everywhere you go in Doncaster you see young kids wearing our shirts.
We have a newish stadium we have a good squad of players. Owners that aren't involved in the club to do us harm. Yes the way our club does some things is frustrating but there is a lot of good things happening for us.
We had a spell in the championship how many sides of our size can say that?. And we didn't just make the numbers up we were very competitive for a few years!.
The Grimsby game in my opinion will be about 8.5 to 9 thousand there. We were relegated unless you have a massive support you lose fans. The club has tried to help time and again with ticket offers. They can't do much more other than beg fans to attend.
Fans will go to games when they want to or can afford to. If other sides see us as small time, so what?. We are what we are. We're ambitious without being stupid. Until the public of Doncaster get to games in great numbers regularly then that ambition will always be restricted.
We are donny rovers, no matter about the other un-loyal fans, we will always stick with the rovers.
I'm very happy with the squad we have. There are bits and pieces that need to improve. Hopefully those things do improve then we get to play a league above.
We deserve to be in this league because we were not good enough. The managers job is to improve all aspects of the squad so if we got promoted we would be mentally, physically and technically good enough to compete higher up.
I don't really concern myself how many turn up only if i'm there. I understand the worrying but there is no point. Unless we got back in the championship then many of those fans you won't see again!.
We've got a massive battle to get out of this league first. I would expect crowds to improve due to greater away followings and an increase in ours probably in the hundreds if we got back into league one.
We support a decent little club that tries to do things the right way. Be happy in that.
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Agreed
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From 1986 to 2003, dear boy, the Rovers average crowd never came close to exceeding 4,000. In only 2 of those 18 seasons did it even exceed 3,000 and in another two, it was less than 2,000. So what are you trying to suggest?
I'm still wondering what facts there could possibly be that make you say the home attendance for Grimsby should be 5,000 minimum. You've offered zero reasons so far. As far as I know all the evidence we have points to a different, lower, conclusion - so put me right please rather than giving a smart arse answer again. If there is a good reason, I'll applaud and I'll be very happy indeed. I wish it was nearer 10,000 than the 5,000 you suggested. All I want to know is what reason(s) make you suggest it.
BobG
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The fan base has increased also the potential fan base. Many of those fans who would return in either the league above or championship if we are good enough to get there.
We are not a club that is ridiculed now on the whole we are respected as a well run smaller club. We are back to playing an attractive style of play that produces goals.
I can understand disappointment with how well we are doing it would be nice to be getting say eight thousand every week. As it is we have four or five thousand putting their hard earned money into watching us regular, it could be worse.
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From 1986 to 2003, dear boy, the Rovers average crowd never came close to exceeding 4,000. In only 2 of those 18 seasons did it even exceed 3,000 and in another two, it was less than 2,000. So what are you trying to suggest?
I'm still wondering what facts there could possibly be that make you say the home attendance for Grimsby should be 5,000 minimum. You've offered zero reasons so far. As far as I know all the evidence we have points to a different, lower, conclusion - so put me right please rather than giving a smart arse answer again. If there is a good reason, I'll applaud and I'll be very happy indeed. I wish it was nearer 10,000 than the 5,000 you suggested. All I want to know is what reason(s) make you suggest it.
BobG
It's pointless looking at what attendances were back then as so much as changed.
I predicted the attendance levels to be what they are at the moment and was immediately shot down by the majority who stated if we're near the top of the league we'd be getting as many, if not more than we were last season. This isn't the case.
In my opinion we should be getting more than what we are. But while ever the club does nothing in terms of marketing and promotion, it won't happen.
I frequent other clubs social media and websites to get a gauage on how they do things, and they all promote the hell out of upcoming fixtures at ticket sales.
All we have for the Grimsby match Is a nicely designed banner which you can only see by going to the page itself. And that's just for starters.
Oh and if SM wants to chip in I've contacted the club with suggestions and had no reply.
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Oh for f**k's sake!
What happens on the pitch is infinetly more important than the attendance!
I will be buying my tickets today, so i reckon will be many others this week.
How many other games this season have we sold over 4000 a week before the game??
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Oh for f**k's sake!
What happens on the pitch is infinetly more important than the attendance!
I will be buying my tickets today, so i reckon will be many others this week.
How many other games this season have we sold over 4000 a week before the game??
We haven't. We'd sold less than 4000 as of Saturday.
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So f**king what? Just over or just under, it is what it is!!
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So f**king what? Just over or just under, it is what it is!!
Someone is in a bad mood this morning.
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Yes you are, aren't you?
Are you EVER going to stop bleating on about our attendances??
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Yes you are, aren't you?
Are you EVER going to stop bleating on about our attendances??
Probably not
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7500+posts, all excellent, informative, dare I say ground breaking. If there was a literary prize on this forum you would walk it. Plus & it's a big plus, never once have I detected any hint of sarcasm.
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7500+posts, all excellent, informative, dare I say ground breaking. If there was a literary prize on this forum you would walk it. Plus & it's a big plus, never once have I detected any hint of sarcasm.
I'm never ignored though.
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The crowds will return to the KM when there is consistent success by the team.
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7500+posts, all excellent, informative, dare I say ground breaking. If there was a literary prize on this forum you would walk it. Plus & it's a big plus, never once have I detected any hint of sarcasm.
I'm never ignored though.
Neither is a toothache!
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It's all about what we do on the pitch and results. I want a win on Saturday like every week if there are only 5000 home fans it does not matter. The people who are there will be happy if we get three points.
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:that:
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From 1986 to 2003, dear boy, the Rovers average crowd never came close to exceeding 4,000. In only 2 of those 18 seasons did it even exceed 3,000 and in another two, it was less than 2,000. So what are you trying to suggest?
I'm still wondering what facts there could possibly be that make you say the home attendance for Grimsby should be 5,000 minimum. You've offered zero reasons so far. As far as I know all the evidence we have points to a different, lower, conclusion - so put me right please rather than giving a smart arse answer again. If there is a good reason, I'll applaud and I'll be very happy indeed. I wish it was nearer 10,000 than the 5,000 you suggested. All I want to know is what reason(s) make you suggest it.
BobG
It's pointless looking at what attendances were back then as so much as changed.
I predicted the attendance levels to be what they are at the moment and was immediately shot down by the majority who stated if we're near the top of the league we'd be getting as many, if not more than we were last season. This isn't the case.
In my opinion we should be getting more than what we are. But while ever the club does nothing in terms of marketing and promotion, it won't happen.
I frequent other clubs social media and websites to get a gauage on how they do things, and they all promote the hell out of upcoming fixtures at ticket sales.
All we have for the Grimsby match Is a nicely designed banner which you can only see by going to the page itself. And that's just for starters.
Oh and if SM wants to chip in I've contacted the club with suggestions and had no reply.
Mr Frost
Apologies that you did not receive a response to your email to the club. If you would like to dm me a copy of your email or forward to email to myself. I will pass it on the relevant person at the club.
Thanks
Dean
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Can i also request a response to an email that i sent to the club media department a couple of weeks ago.
I asked if it would be possible to edit a clip from RP showing Coppinger collecting the clearance from the sky which drew gasps of appreciation from around the ground.
I didn't hear back from them.
Even if it cant be done, a reply would have been nice.
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If you would like to forward the email on to me I will pass it on the the media team. Dean.medcalf@clubdoncaster.co.uk
Thanks
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Our average at home is about 4400. You'd think it would be 5000 home fans minimum.
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Why?
I guess you don't remember the 1990's or the 2000's.
BobG
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I reckon it's you who can't remember the 2000s
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If you are so keen to avoid looking at previous years' attendance, what on earth prompted you to mention the 2000's Frostie? I offered some reason for my view. You followed that path by being snide about my knowledge of the 2000's. Yet now you say it's all pointless going down that road. Strange logic there friend.
I notice too that you still haven't offered one single reason why there should be than 5,000 home supporters. I'm starting to think you were just blustering mate. You know: hot air.
BobG
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There's a reason why we're a lower league club, and it's not because of the fanbase. It's because of the lack of ambition of the owners over the years - apart from a couple of occasions when we were inspired by Peter Doherty and John Ryan.
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f**king hell I remember when we used to get 1500 at OBV in the old 3rd and 4th division when I was a nipper.
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There's a reason why we're a lower league club, and it's not because of the fanbase. It's because of the lack of ambition of the owners over the years - apart from a couple of occasions when we were inspired by Peter Doherty and John Ryan.
Having only 5000 home fans dictates how ambitious they can be.
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Its easy to spend other peoples money.
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Having only 5000 home fans dictates how ambitious they can be.
Which came first, chicken or egg?
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If....
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We had a crap chippy in Bentley. Nobody went apart from a handful of easily pleased punters. Then an ambitious new owner took over and soon they were the best fish and chips for miles.
It's packed all the time now.
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We had a crap chippy in Bentley. Nobody went apart from a handful of easily pleased punters. Then an ambitious new owner took over and soon they were the best fish and chips for miles.
It's packed all the time now.
We have a near top of the league entertaining football team, but less people are going.
Let's face it the fans who went in the Championship came for the newness of DRFC in the championship. Now Leeds and Sheffield Wednesday are doing well they've gone back there. United and Liverpool are on sky or BT every week as well.
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We averaged just over 3,500 fans in our last season in the conference. Following our promotion to league 2 the average almost doubled. When we reached the Championship our attendances rose again by over 50%.
As a result of our decline (2 relegations in the last 3 seasons), our crowds have decreased. Confidence in the club rising again has diminished.
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I think there is alot of truth in your last sentence BB. That and a general malaise, a feeling of been there, done that.
It will take something out of the ordinary to bump the numbers up to anywhere near Championship levels. I don't think another promotion to the Championship would achieve those levels even if the ambition was to drive onwards to the Premier.
I expect a slow increase in the average with the odd high gate as we, hopefully, secure promotion towards the end of the season.
I did expect us to have increased to at least 6k by now though.
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We averaged just over 3,500 fans in our last season in the conference. Following our promotion to league 2 the average almost doubled. When we reached the Championship our attendances rose again by over 50%.
As a result of our decline (2 relegations in the last 3 seasons), our crowds have decreased. Confidence in the club rising again has diminished.
The crowds started declining before then though didn't they - I remember John Ryan moaning more than once that people weren't coming and we couldn't fill the ground when we gave tickets away.
It's all right putting money into a fish and chip shop, but if people prefer Chinese takeaways then you have to be realistic on how many customers you are going to attract.
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Our attendances declined year on year in the championship. Rotherham have managed to sustain there
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Well, their first season they averaged 10,013. (Our first season 11,959)
They are averaging 9,744 (Our 2nd season was around 10,800)
Albeit ours has a bigger capacity, I suspect their trend will mirror ours if they continue in the Championship.
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There was bound to be an effect of the new ground novelty wearing off, leading to a reduction in numbers from both home and away fans. It was also obvious that the glory fans would drop in numbers once the glory of winning regularly ceased. The only way of preventing that from happening was to improve the team sufficiently so as to improve results.
I would rather have a good Chinese takeaway than poor Fish and Chips, although I prefer good fish and chips given the choice.
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Isn't this their third season?
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Only second I think. It probably feels like three! 😃
Either way, the trend is down even if marginally. Which is only to be expected.
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Apologies, it is their 3rd season. First season average was 10,240.
Their rate of decline is less steep than ours. Our 4th season reduced to 9340.
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We've let people in for free before and not filled the ground. People just don't care.
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We've let people in for free before and not filled the ground. People just don't care.
We did it once against Palace and it was 'sold' out.
Think the best we did in terms of home fans was against Notts County in League One a few years ago. Nearly 13000 plus away fans and it was full price.
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Can you still pay on gate for Saturdays game?
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Can you still pay on gate for Saturdays game?
You definitely can't pay on the gate. You may be able to get tickets from the ticket office.
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Can you still pay on gate for Saturdays game?
Rovers would like to advise fans that there will be no cash turnstiles available for the Sky Bet League Two fixture with Grimsby Town on Saturday December 17.
Tickets can be purchased from the Box Office right up to kick-off, but tickets for the home stands will only be sold to fans who have previously attended Rovers games or who have a Doncaster address.
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You can get tickets from the ticket office on the day providing you're on the database
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We've let people in for free before and not filled the ground. People just don't care.
We did it once against Palace and it was 'sold' out.
Think the best we did in terms of home fans was against Notts County in League One a few years ago. Nearly 13000 plus away fans and it was full price.
It wasn't full price I'm sure. I know I got an extra ticket or two for people as I has a season ticket then.
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Notts County was quid a kid wasn't it?
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Yes and I think that there were family offers etc too.
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Got my ticket stub from that game. £23
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Got my ticket stub from that game. £23
That might be, but you aren't a kid.
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Got my ticket stub from that game. £23
That might be, but you aren't a kid.
You wouldn't realise with how he posts.*
HE SHOOTS HE SCORES!
*(Just a joke Mr Frost, thought it was too good an opportunity to pass up)
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Two oblique mentions to 'have you got your tickets' on the rovers twitter feed. One (ONE) post made on the official facebook group (134,857 Total Page follows) on 5th December.
Nothing pushing the game, just nothing over and above sending bog standard timed tweets out.
Apparently our marketing budget doesn't even stretch to this.
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It must surely come as a concern when the only bit of interest generated on (official) social medial was by 'Weldricks Pharmacy' who have run a ticket competition. An official partner.
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The Black Bank sent out a tweet with the below picture. It contained some gentle banter, a talking point and a picture which hopefully gets rovers fans juices flowing. It's not a ground-breaking formula but its generated more interest than anything the club have put out in relation to this game (BB has 1,500 followers).
(http://i.imgur.com/aYbsOtx.png)
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It really is ridiculous. It takes all of 30 seconds to write a Tweet or post on Facebook. Better yet have scheduled ones.
Who ever runs the social media side clearly has no clue how it works.
And to update, we've sold around 4400 for the home ends. Shocking.
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Frosty, go watch "Frozen"...
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Didn't they sack the bloke who ran the social media side of things because, err, some fans complained that he was posting on social media?
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Didn't they sack the bloke who ran the social media side of things because, err, some fans complained that he was posting on social media?
I think it was the context of what he was posting which was the problem.
There's been no mention of the Grimsby match on Facebook since 5th December. To me, that is absolutely criminal.
I also note the club do not engage with supporters at all on either platform. If anyone asks a question in the comments section, it is always ignored.
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To put next to nothing out is shoddy. We have the biggest social media following in the lower echelons of the football league. A game we could have promoted but we didn't.
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If the marketing department is really that stretched, i'll do it for free.
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Like you say, it takes no time at all to post on twitter and Facebook (if you use something like Hootsuite, you only do it once and it posts to all your social media for you) it also costs nothing to do.
It's probably not going to generate 1000's on the gate but even if it adds a few, given the low time and cost involved, I can't understand why it doesn't happen
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Correct me if I'm wrong but on Facebook it goes out as an event and is set in your calendar. Mine came up as a reminder earlier in the week.
So, have any of you taken up the offer to put your concerns idea to the club?
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People at the club read all forms of social media including this forum. They know the concerns. There's no need to go through some lengthy (and usually useless) feedback channel.
I am not moaning for the sake of it. I genuinely want there to be a big crowd there Saturday and believe there could have been with at least some promotion. For whatever reason there hasn't been. In fact, it's lower than it is for a regular matchday.
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I don't think what was offered, as a meeting with the people who push the buttons, could be a lengthy feedback process. It's the same way I got to meet up with Shaun Lockwood many moons ago and it works both ways with an exchange of ideas.
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Check Facebook.
Someone must be reading.
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We're not talking about sitting down discussing some ideas Baz. With all due respect.
This is the very basics. One home game we have in December. One. And it happens to be a big one and (barring the Weldricks offer) there is one post about it on the facebook group.
edit: They have indeed put something up in the last hour.
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Got my ticket stub from that game. £23
I think that all Alliance members got two free tickets for the game. That will have boosted it as well. There was certainly marketing in the run up to the game.
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Did they Idler? I didn't get any.
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I'm sure I did. I'm not sure if at that time they didn't spread them out a bit rather than pick a match that is likely to be poorly attended and give tickets to all members.