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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: not on facebook on February 08, 2017, 06:14:35 pm
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I just know this thread will open a can of worms and the weight
of feelings options towards the donnywhites will allways go against them.
There will be numerous evidence of why most rovers fans have a dislike towards the DW,from bad experience at wembly or in general
day to day dealings with any DW etc etc.
I for life of me don't see why you all get hot under the collar about
DW as I find the statement ' they should support their local team' is
a load of b*llocks
since year zonk rovers have been shite while dirty Leeds played in division one against likes of man utd,lpool,arsenal,Spurs,Everton etc etc week in week out,while donny were playing likes of southport,workington,rochdale,Scunthorpe,bury etc etc in division 3 or 4
Can nobody see the pull towards Leeds Leeds Leeds there straight away or even to likes of footballing fans with Doncaster DN4 post code
attending likes of Sheffield utd/ weds,lpool or man utd?
The above has been going on for years so I guess in most cases dads
have passed that sequence on down to any off spring which all ties in with rovers allways been in division 3/4 and at bottom ends it seemed.if Iam honest with myself I can't blame them.
It's not as if Doncaster > Leeds were great rivals as are divisions kept
both teams apart unlike the Rotherham united rival days .
Ok rovers played Leeds for a couple of seasons in league1 and championship and at wembly but nothing to build a massive rival fealing on.
As daft as it sounds many Leeds fans would swell the crowds at BV on bigger so called games and good away games torquay,York,Rotherham,Everton,Bristol rovers ( Cardiff),grimsby,pboro to name a few.
I guess this might have changed since the game at wembly but it's was a fact that DRFC were many donnywhites 2nd team for obvious reasons.
I don't ever recall seeing any major influx of any donnylpool ,donnyman utd, donnysheff utd or donnysheff weds at any of above away games or at any game at BV over the years but you allways saw more than enough donnywhites .
Well that's my defence for the donnywhite thing > > > the prosecution(s) can take the stand .
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Are you some kind of cnut
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I've got a lot of friends and former colleagues who are Donny whites and I've not got a problem with them on a personal level, it's never got in the way of the relationship between them and myself.
I don't expect anyone to change there team after years of following them. the only thing that really annoys me is when they start off with all that, "you just a small town club with shit support", when they know fully well that there part of the problem.
Donny is a big and a city in all but status with a large population. Many commentators from the 50's agreed that Doncaster were the biggest club in South Yorkshire when a 30000 crowd was a regular in the early 50's. Just think how different it of been!!!
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My hatred of Leeds goes back to the 1970 cup final against Chelsea
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Are you some kind of cnut
If Iam honest with you it all depends on what side of the bed I get out of
Now Iam a Kitsonstable and will take out my note book and ask you " why you ask if Iam a type of cnut sir?
Can't you work out which type of cnut that I am sir?
How many types of cnuts are there sir?
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Who cares?? Why are you starting a thread about this? I have read your thoughts on the forum but this has been done to death..
Some folks in Doncaster support Leeds.. we live with it and those of us who couldn't care less just enjoy going to watch the rovers..
Simples..
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I've got a lot of friends and former colleagues who are Donny whites and I've not got a problem with them on a personal level, it's never got in the way of the relationship between them and myself.
I don't expect anyone to change there team after years of following them. the only thing that really annoys me is when they start off with all that, "you just a small town club with shit support", when they know fully well that there part of the problem.
Donny is a big and a city in all but status with a large population. Many commentators from the 50's agreed that Doncaster were the biggest club in South Yorkshire when a 30000 crowd was a regular in the early 50's. Just think how different it of been!!!
That bit about donny having shit support gets on my tits,but compared to likes of Leeds ,Sheffield utd,
Everton are support is small in numbers for obvious reasons.
But you are bang on about possible crowds if all was pulling in near enough same direction in doncaster.on that front I think Doncaster crowd wise would have been on same level as a full Hillsboro
and better likes of Blackburn,moboro Leicester
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I reckon more people support Man utd and Liverpool than Leeds in Donny. We probably come in 4th support wise in Doncaster
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Are you some kind of cnut
Well, he does live in Scandinavia. Lots of Cnuts up there. ;)
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I reckon more people support Man utd and Liverpool than Leeds in Donny. We probably come in 4th support wise in Doncaster
I seriously doubt that we are the 4th best supported team in Donny.
At the moment Rovers are attracting around 5000 home supporters to games (there are many more who class themselves as Rovers fans who don't currently attend for a variety of reasons).
Do any of you out there believe that anywhere close to 5000 from Donny attend home games of those clubs (combined)?
I suspect that a few hundred at best actually attend their games.
There is no doubt that many more support them from their armchairs, just like they do Rovers.
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My hatred of Leeds goes back to the 1970 cup final against Chelsea
They lost that though.
I have to admit when it comes to Leeds United I was influenced by my grandad. He was from Leeds but was a huge rugby league man. Even when Leeds United were in their pomp he regarded them as a standing joke. There was no danger of me becoming a Leeds United fan.
Funnily enough my grandad developed quite a soft spot for Rovers after I started going regularly.
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I think I preferred your misty-eyed rambles about the sadly-missed bygone days of football hooliganism.
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Are you some kind of cnut
Well, he does live in Scandinavia. Lots of Cnuts up there. ;)
Take it from me there is a massive difference between the cnuts up here than there is in donny.
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I reckon more people support Man utd and Liverpool than Leeds in Donny. We probably come in 4th support wise in Doncaster
I reckon your not far off with Man Utd! The thing with them lot, most haven't even see a football ground, never mind old Trafford!
My firm belief is there are around 25000 to 30000 people willing us to win every game. You got the 5000 regulars, the several hundred exiles who struggle to get to even get to a game.
Several thousand who probably class their selves as rovers fans but don't currently go or haven't been for ages and then the vast majority is made up of fans who follow other clubs and due to rovers being there hometown club, want us to win matches just like the regular fan does!
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I haven't watched premiership games for a few years now. I also have to admit I don't really follow whats going on in the championship either. However, I know by proxy, just reading this forum, that Leeds must be doing well because for the last couple of months we've pretty much had a thread on here every week about them.
Embarrassing.
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I reckon more people support Man utd and Liverpool than Leeds in Donny. We probably come in 4th support wise in Doncaster
I seriously doubt that we are the 4th best supported team in Donny.
At the moment Rovers are attracting around 5000 home supporters to games (there are many more who class themselves as Rovers fans who don't currently attend for a variety of reasons).
Do any of you out there believe that anywhere close to 5000 from Donny attend home games of those clubs (combined)?
I suspect that a few hundred at best actually attend their games.
There is no doubt that many more support them from their armchairs, just like they do Rovers.
There are three Man Utd "supporters" where I work.
None of them have ever seen them play except for on the telly.
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In my book they are followers not supporters.
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Would say there's over a thousand leeds same again Wednesday, in areas where were close to teams I.e. the north west there a few hundred each of rothers and dingles. To the south you'd be surprised how many went to forest when they were doing well, there'll still be some left or sons of clough era followers.
Dont see many blades? Their a sheffielders club?!
Our problem isn't these 4<5 thousand,its the tv premiere league supporters. A tough one tho as live is very different than the living room or pub.
Recon were going the right way but its a slow process. My 14y old and his mates are loving this season dispite it being L2 and understanding fun to win games regardless of the league.
Time sirs, you cant rush it
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What an absolutely pathetic and pointless thread.
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.....but worth posting a comment on?
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My hatred of Leeds goes back to the 1970 cup final against Chelsea
They played Chelsea off the park at Wembley and Eddie Grey was a joy to watch on that mud heap.
Chelsea certainly did a number on him in the replay.
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We must remember that some people will always follow a winning team which maybe at the other end of the country they do not regard loyalty as being important. Look North and Yorkshire bombarded us at every opportunity with the glory of Leeds United when they couldn't hold a light against the likes of Liverpool, Man Utd and Forest. No wonder the dull were attracted.
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My first team is Rovers
My second team is Rovers
My third team is Rovers
You may have noticed a trend but my fourth team is Rovers
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.... AND unless Rovers ever meet Leeds in a Wembley Play off Final (for entry to the Premiership) your fifth Team and their supporters can forever hold their heads up KNOWING that in the biggest ever game between the 2 Clubs - your fifth Team came out top dog !!!
... and for me even now when I listen to the Donny based Leeds Fans revelling in their current League position I know that they know that THAT was the one they wanted to win, and for more than the reason of the Promotion to The Second Tier ! :evil: :evil: :evil:
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you're over-complicating the whole debate unnecessarily by trying to make the geographic nuances relevant
all leeds fans are arsehơles regardless of where they come from - do feel free to lock the thread now....
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From my experience, Donny doesn't have the sole rights to suffering with a significant number of resident Leeds fans. Having lived in York, Hull, Huddersfield and Sheffield (amongst other places) over the years, I can personally testify that they're everywhere! Each of these towns/cities had plenty of Leeds fans.
I'm living now a few miles outside of Hull and I see Leeds fans quite often. A house around the corner from me has a Leeds badge in their window, a bloke who I work with is a Hull KR rugby fan and also a Leeds Utd fan and I was told a few years ago that when we played them at Wembley there were at least 2 coachloads of 'Hull Whites' who'd made the journey down. The thing with the bloke who I work with is that he doesn't get the irony of supporting his home city at rugby but a city he's no association with at football!
Looking specifically at the Donny Whites, an experience that I had back in the 80's sums it up for me. A mate and I were travelling home on the train from a Rovers away match at Darlington. I can't recall the exact year or result but I do remember that Tommy Gaynor scored with an overhead kick. Anyway, at Darlo station we saw a lad who we both vaguely knew from school. He was a few years older than us and we only knew the kid to say 'ey up' to really. On the train he sat with us and we spent an hour or so chatting about the match and all things Rovers. Then, completely out of the blue he said "I don't support the Rovers though, I'm a Leeds fan." Now, I'd seen this lad at almost every home match I'd gone to and a fair few away games too so I was surprised to say the very least. I always suspected that he said this because, at the time at least, wannabe football yobs (which I suspect he was) held more 'kudos' by claiming to be Leeds rather than Rovers. Or I may be way off the mark. Anyway, I continued to see him at matches for another season or so until he disappeared off the radar (as many did during the Dave Mackay years). Anyway, years later I saw him with his kids at the Keepmoat all wearing Rovers shirts.
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A friend of my dad's is a bit like that, considers himself a Leeds fan but lives in Sprotborough and is big into his football so probably gets to half of Rovers home games a season, as well as a handful of Leeds games. He can call himself a Leeds fan, in fact he can call himself Theresa May for all I care - as long as he is putting money in our coffers and getting behind the Rovers for those 90 minutes he is alright with me.
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A house around the corner from me has a Leeds badge in their window
you know what to do, agent anchovy
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Frankly I don't take any football fan seriously who hasn't the balls to support there hometown club first just because there not fashionable...Whether they were born in Manchester or Whitby....
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just don`t get the thing of calling yourself a leeds fan when you live in Donny, for me it`s your HOME town team every time, i will leave others to support other towns and city`s for the glory ,but i just dont get it.
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Frankly I don't take any football fan seriously who hasn't the balls to support there hometown club first just because there not fashionable...Whether they were born in Manchester or Whitby....
Is this a fair comment? I wonder how many on here were born outside of Doncaster but support Rovers. And where do you draw the line - should people from Armthorpe or Rossington support Welfare or Main rather than Rovers?
I will never live in Doncaster again, but I will encourage my kids to support Rovers. If they came to a game with me would you not take them seriously?
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just don`t get the thing of calling yourself a leeds fan ....for the glory
this glory of which you speak - over the last 25 years (count 'em) that amounts to what - losing the league cup final and one promotion from L1 to the championship (at the third attempt, having been humiliated at wembley by a pub side en route) ?
you can argue that Rovers have been far more successful over the same period if you have any concept of perspective; if you factor in the level of success relative to potential (even using realistic potential as a base line, not the dream world that supporters of the White Shîte inhabit) then they can be said to have underachieved to an embarrassing degree which exhibits mismanagement on every level to a staggering degree; Leeds fans are delusional and should really be pitied, were it not that they are so universally vile and have a self-regard inflated to such an extent that it borders on mental illness; the fans and the club deserve each other in that respect
still - they did win the European Cup, didn't they, so fair enough...
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Frankly I don't take any football fan seriously who hasn't the balls to support there hometown club first just because there not fashionable...Whether they were born in Manchester or Whitby....
Is this a fair comment? I wonder how many on here were born outside of Doncaster but support Rovers. And where do you draw the line - should people from Armthorpe or Rossington support Welfare or Main rather than Rovers?
I will never live in Doncaster again, but I will encourage my kids to support Rovers. If they came to a game with me would you not take them seriously?
Yes fair enough Nick,i take your point about family connections...it was aimed more at the people who decide that because there local team is unfashionable they will mainly support the ones that are...Obviously my main team is Rovers always has been as that's were I was born but I watch Trinity on occasions too as that's local to me...Would I ever fancy just turning up at Elland road,Anfield or the emirates and throw my allegiance with them just because they win more than they lose..no because I have no allegiance to those places...
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Just to even it up.....I'm a Rovers fan who lives in Leeds
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Frankly I don't take any football fan seriously who hasn't the balls to support there hometown club first just because there not fashionable...Whether they were born in Manchester or Whitby....
Is this a fair comment? I wonder how many on here were born outside of Doncaster but support Rovers. And where do you draw the line - should people from Armthorpe or Rossington support Welfare or Main rather than Rovers?
I will never live in Doncaster again, but I will encourage my kids to support Rovers. If they came to a game with me would you not take them seriously?
I was born in Hampshire and have lived in the Midlands for nearly 40 years. The 12 years I spent in Donny were the important ones in terms of who I support though.
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Frankly I don't take any football fan seriously who hasn't the balls to support there hometown club first just because there not fashionable...Whether they were born in Manchester or Whitby....
So I suppose that puts to bed the Frankly I don't take any football fan seriously who hasn't the balls to support there hometown club first just because there not fashionable...Whether they were born in Manchester or Whitby....
Is this a fair comment? I wonder how many on here were born outside of Doncaster but support Rovers. And where do you draw the line - should people from Armthorpe or Rossington support Welfare or Main rather than Rovers?
I will never live in Doncaster again, but I will encourage my kids to support Rovers. If they came to a game with me would you not take them seriously?
Yes fair enough Nick,i take your point about family connections...it was aimed more at the people who decide that because there local team is unfashionable they will mainly support the ones that are...Obviously my main team is Rovers always has been as that's were I was born but I watch Trinity on occasions too as that's local to me...Would I ever fancy just turning up at Elland road,Anfield or the emirates and throw my allegiance with them just because they win more than they lose..no because I have no allegiance to those places...
just don`t get the thing of calling yourself a leeds fan ....for the glory
this glory of which you speak - over the last 25 years (count 'em) that amounts to what - losing the league cup final and one promotion from L1 to the championship (at the third attempt, having been humiliated at wembley by a pub side en route) ?
you can argue that Rovers have been far more successful over the same period if you have any concept of perspective; if you factor in the level of success relative to potential (even using realistic potential as a base line, not the dream world that supporters of the White Shîte inhabit) then they can be said to have underachieved to an embarrassing degree which exhibits mismanagement on every level to a staggering degree; Leeds fans are delusional and should really be pitied, were it not that they are so universally vile and have a self-regard inflated to such an extent that it borders on mental illness; the fans and the club deserve each other in that respect
still - they did win the European Cup, didn't they, so fair enough...
just don`t get the thing of calling yourself a leeds fan ....for the glory
this glory of which you speak - over the last 25 years (count 'em) that amounts to what - losing the league cup final and one promotion from L1 to the championship (at the third attempt, having been humiliated at wembley by a pub side en route) ?
you can argue that Rovers have been far more successful over the same period if you have any concept of perspective; if you factor in the level of success relative to potential (even using realistic potential as a base line, not the dream world that supporters of the White Shîte inhabit) then they can be said to have underachieved to an embarrassing degree which exhibits mismanagement on every level to a staggering degree; Leeds fans are delusional and should really be pitied, were it not that they are so universally vile and have a self-regard inflated to such an extent that it borders on mental illness; the fans and the club deserve each other in that respect
still - they did win the European Cup, didn't they, so fair enough...
accusation that Donny Whites are "Glory Seekers"
Is this a fair comment? I wonder how many on here were born outside of Doncaster but support Rovers. And where do you draw the line - should people from Armthorpe or Rossington support Welfare or Main rather than Rovers?
I will never live in Doncaster again, but I will encourage my kids to support Rovers. If they came to a game with me would you not take them seriously?
Yes fair enough Nick,i take your point about family connections...it was aimed more at the people who decide that because there local team is unfashionable they will mainly support the ones that are...Obviously my main team is Rovers always has been as that's were I was born but I watch Trinity on occasions too as that's local to me...Would I ever fancy just turning up at Elland road,Anfield or the emirates and throw my allegiance with them just because they win more than they lose..no because I have no allegiance to those places...
Well, I take it that this theory puts to bed the allegation that all the Donny Whites are all "Glory Seekers"?
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Hello mr Wellington ,just knew you would raise yer head above the parapit .
Are you still marching all together
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I know a number of Leeds and Owls fans however none of them take any particular delight or need to unfurl a flag or banner that reads "Donny White" or "Donny Owl". The ones that do seem to have a mental state that I can't get my head around.
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I don't begrudge someone supporting any team (even when they try and justify it with tenuous reasons) so far that I don't get worked up by the existence of Donny Whites/Owls. However when these fans do wind me up is when they have the brass neck for ripping the piss out of you for supporting your home/local team when they never had the balls to because they might have been unfashionable/un-successful at the time.
I can't say from experience Donny Whites are any worse for that than fans of any other team but maybe it sticks out in our memory more from recent times.
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I was born close to Doncaster, my folks came from Doncaster. My dad took me to Rovers as a child.
I grew up in West Yorkshire, most of my school mates who went to football went to Leeds. As an adult I have lived all over the country and only in the last decade or so close enough to go to matches regularly again.
I live about 80 miles away from Doncaster now.
So by logic, who should I support??? One of my "local" teams, one of the teams I have been local to in previous areas, or one of the bigger prem teams I can see on telly?
Sorry if I don't fit the mold, but whilst I have watched other teams form time to time, the team I have always supported primarily is Doncaster Rovers, and always will be.
So does it really matter who supports who, and where they live??
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I can remember being in a pub listening to somebody banging on about how he hated Donny Whites, then about 5 minutes later talking about going to watch Leeds Rhinos because the Dons are shite!
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Would say there's over a thousand leeds same again Wednesday, in areas where were close to teams I.e. the north west there a few hundred each of rothers and dingles. To the south you'd be surprised how many went to forest when they were doing well, there'll still be some left or sons of clough era followers.
Dont see many blades? Their a sheffielders club?!
Our problem isn't these 4<5 thousand,its the tv premiere league supporters. A tough one tho as live is very different than the living room or pub.
Recon were going the right way but its a slow process. My 14y old and his mates are loving this season dispite it being L2 and understanding fun to win games regardless of the league.
Time sirs, you cant rush it
Agree with the last part of your comment. My 14 year old son & his mates are also loving it & if you can get them hooked at that age or younger then generally you've got them for life & in turn their kids & so on.
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Hello mr Wellington ,just knew you would raise yer head above the parapit .
Are you still marching all together
I don't march anymore.....it's more of an aimless shuffle! And touching on the Rugby League theme, when I lived in Donny, I can remember coming out of a newsagents in Barnby Dun one Sunday morning and seeing a car full of St. Helens fans setting off for their match, which I found quite bizarre.
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I dislike the team from Elland Road with a passion,but I have to admit they are a " big" club with a lot of supporters/followers. They are roughly in the top dozen or so in the country, in fact if you go back on average home attendance over the past 40 years they would be above most.
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Genuinely, think this is a tricky one. Born and bred in Wakefield but always supported Rovers. Wakey is a rugby town and the local footy team plays on a municipal park somewhere. My Dad took me to Belle Vue and I just got the bug. Donny were shite when I started going in the early 70's and it got worse before the relatively recent golden years. I can't say I like Leeds. Always harping on about the 70's. Their supporters in general have an air of arrogance, some would say menace and I've been in a few scrapes with some of them. Most notably after our only triumph at Elland road when Stocky scuffled a free kick in. It would have been hunkydory if we had lost but they couldn't take the stick after losing so me giving it what for in the pubs around Wakey and Leeds was never going to end well. I triggered the same vitriol at Wembley but god was that nice. I can see why folk would support Leeds but it is essentially glory hunting but they do generate a cameraderie on the road due to numbers and the tribal thing. I must confess they out sing most clubs on the road and I know quite a few that just go to the aways for purely that reason. As a outsider I do half get the supporting other teams bit but if I were a born and bred Doncastrian singing "You're just a town full of Leeds fans!" it wouldn't sit right with me.
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I can never understand why anyone would get hung up for sole reason
that a person is supporting a team from where he is not born
It's not as if we all still live in caves is it
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Hello mr Wellington ,just knew you would raise yer head above the parapit .
Are you still marching all together
I don't march anymore.....it's more of an aimless shuffle! And touching on the Rugby League theme, when I lived in Donny, I can remember coming out of a newsagents in Barnby Dun one Sunday morning and seeing a car full of St. Helens fans setting off for their match, which I found quite bizarre.
Not at all, Pilks is based in St Helens, a lot of people that worked at Pilks came over from there