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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: roversdude on February 24, 2017, 11:15:15 pm
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WTF is wrong with some do gooding gits
Eeny meeny miny mo t shirts removed from sale because one person complains wrongly citing that it is racist
Guess he never watched this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ7BoKzVqZM
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We used to have a different rhyme when I was young.
It would be considered as not PC or racist now.
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Strange .... I have seen the story doing the rounds but not actually read it. Only saw what the supposed problem was on this thread nd thought why is that TShirt deemed as racist ?
Even though Idler and I are from very similar year my recollection of Eeny Meeny is just one of a "counting" or deciding who would go first or last in a street game and was just :
Eeny Meeny Miny Mo
Put the baby on the Po (toilet)
When it's done
wipe its bum
Eeny Meeny Miny Mo
Obviously there must have been many versions even at the time I knew it from
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The version I knew had the n word in It and it certainly would be deemed as racist in modern times.
Eeny meeny minee mo
Catch a n***** by his toe
If he squeals let him go
Eeny meeny minee mo...
I'm sure that only people of a certain age knew that version.
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I seem to remember Jeremy Clarkson bring that particular version to public prominence a couple of years back Stockton.
Obviously Primark (and roversdude) dont watch any news outlets or read any newspapers so would have been totally unaware of this. Lucky them.
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I heard that one Stockton and also instead of the n word, b**** m**.
We also used to play a game called I draw a snake on a black m**'*.
A variation of block 1,2,3.
Life was great before tellies. One of the lads had a dog as well that shared the name of Guy Gibson's dog.
You could never go out now and call it in without getting arrested.
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Strange .... I have seen the story doing the rounds but not actually read it. Only saw what the supposed problem was on this thread nd thought why is that TShirt deemed as racist ?
Even though Idler and I are from very similar year my recollection of Eeny Meeny is just one of a "counting" or deciding who would go first or last in a street game and was just :
Eeny Meeny Miny Mo
Put the baby on the Po (toilet)
When it's done
wipe its bum
Eeny Meeny Miny Mo
Yep JT this is the one we were taught in Dunscroft, just over the bridge
Obviously there must have been many versions even at the time I knew it from
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I heard that one Stockton and also instead of the n word, b**** m**.
We also used to play a game called I draw a snake on a black m**'*.
A variation of block 1,2,3.
Life was great before tellies. One of the lads had a dog as well that shared the name of Guy Gibson's dog.
You could never go out now and call it in without getting arrested.
Aye now your talking - I draw a snake on this mans back !
Again though we are of the same era and were just a few miles apart I had never heard that version of "draw a snake" - always on this mans back for the PC people of Stainforth !
Also as posted earlier it was always "put the baby on the Po"
In these days of Social media there would no doubt have been a universal one like 24/7 doing the rounds in no time flat
I did used to sing a song re Bradford whenever we went to Valley Parade with Rovers and used to think it funny but it would get people thrown out of the Ground these days and rightly so !
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My daughter's mother-in-law and brother-in-law were doing a Spanish course. When the teacher was doing the colours she got to negro and a dark lady said, "You can't use that word".
The teacher had to patiently explain that as it was Spanish for black she could.
The problem is that words and their context can change, also the way a word is used. It does seem these days that there some folk just waiting to jump in saying they are offended or even someone else could be offended.
Nitty gritty is a case in point. Most people used it without knowing it's origins and not meaning offence. Likewise most people wouldn't be offended because they didn't understand the implications.
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Wilts I am usually up to speed with news, my point was that these t shirts are produced under licence from "The Walking Dead" part of this is a baseball bat wrapped with barbed wire also depicted on the t shirt
As far as I am aware there has not been an outcry in America or U.K. after the show aired
One Methodist minister who was obviously brought up in the era where the n word was used decided it may cause offence (even though it ultimately hadn't)
Growing up - we played lots of games such as drawing snake etc as mentioned by wolfie, if mum was out it was common to say she had run away with a black man (she hadn't by the way) and so on
There were lots of dogs with same name as Guy Gibsons
No one took offence
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Another blast from the past - run away with a black man. Totally forgot that former ex common phrase too !
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Tell me...Coloured people use the "N" word to and at each other" problem is ????
Just tell me can someone what the hell the problem, next it will be Politically Incorrect to cal People from Scunthorpe a Scunny Bunny and people from that County Yellow Bellies. But they can all call us "Yorkies".
I am Fecked if I know.. now before you start. The word "Fecked is not a swear word in Ireland it is also allowed to call someone an ejiot not idiot, and their targets are "The Kerry Man"
Now the word F (uniform) c k ee d is a swear word as it was created by the British to be just that.
I was pulled up or an attempt was made to pull me up when I saw a "Golly" being sold on Fantasy Island market about 4 years ago, I asked for the "Golly Wog" the young lad serving who was about 22 said "You can't call it that" so I asked if he wanted to sell me it and ge did so I bought my Golly Wog - someone near my age then said "What is the problem with calling it a Golly Wog it is what were were brought up to know them as and not a term to insult. We used to save small gollies (black) off Robertsons jams and send them away, I believe in totals of 7 and we got an enamel badge of Golly wogs in various guises. I had a dog called "Blackie" and a later one called "Prince " too for God's sake..oh Sorry being a Catholic I just used the Lord's name in vain but non Christians amongst us will not care.
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That surprised me Idler to read that Nitty gritty had such an origin, I certainly had never understood any such association. This http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/nitty-gritty.html (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/nitty-gritty.html) throws a very different light on this belief and offers an explanation that the unsavoury association only originated in 2005.
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When I was a small child in the mid 70s my grandmother had to take me to the local library and read me a short story..
These were either from the Ant and Bee range, or from the Rev Awdry - not yet known collectively as the Thomas the tank engine books.. part of one of the stories featured little boys dropping stones on passing trains. The engines got revenge next time by blasting them with soot "sending them away as black as n.....rs"..
This was still there in the 70s and I expect has long since been reprinted to say as black as coal or something similar..
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When did the term p*ki become offensive- to me it is the same as calling a man from Scotland a Scot etc
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Another blast from the past - run away with a black man. Totally forgot that former ex common phrase too !
That was used in Balby as well in the late 50s early 60s.
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I saw a tray of chocolate buns with chocolate sprinkles on them in a french patisserie last Summer the sign read:
'Tete de negre'.
They're not so PC in parts of France are they?
Good luck.
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Idler being a Balby lad I can confirm this was still being said into 70's
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When did the term p*ki become offensive- to me it is the same as calling a man from Scotland a Scot etc
When people started using it in malicious ways.
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When did the term p*ki become offensive- to me it is the same as calling a man from Scotland a Scot etc
When people started using it in malicious ways.
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I think that you are spot on there RedJ. The brother-in-law is a manager and only white person at a factory in Bradford.
The workforce think the world of him and their views on life and the world are usually very different to what is written in the papers.
He once asked if they were insulted or annoyed if someone called them a paki. The ones he asked laughed and said no as long as it wasn't in a threatening way.
Their views on the radicals are very refreshing as well.
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When I was a small child in the mid 70s my grandmother had to take me to the local library and read me a short story..
These were either from the Ant and Bee range, or from the Rev Awdry - not yet known collectively as the Thomas the tank engine books.. part of one of the stories featured little boys dropping stones on passing trains. The engines got revenge next time by blasting them with soot "sending them away as black as n.....rs"..
This was still there in the 70s and I expect has long since been reprinted to say as black as coal or something similar..
Do you go far back enough to remember the Sambo books as well..?
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One of my favourite Enid Blyton books as a child in the late 60's and early 70's was The Three Golliwogs whose names were Golly, Woggy and Nigger. Very rare to get hold of a second hand copy these days in an antique book shop.
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We seem to have people kicking off in case it causes offence, yet the people who would supposedly be offended aren't
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We seem to have people kicking off in case it causes offence, yet the people who would supposedly be offended aren't
You can also say the same for banning Christmas decorations as it might offend none christians, or not flying the English flag as that might offend people as well
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I blame generation snowflake.
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Never particularly liked Fight Club but would never have thought it would lead to this
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We seem to have people kicking off in case it causes offence, yet the people who would supposedly be offended aren't
You can also say the same for banning Christmas decorations as it might offend none christians, or not flying the English flag as that might offend people as well
Has anybody ever banned Christmas decorations? It's been maintained that its just one of those myths that keeps going round.
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We seem to have people kicking off in case it causes offence, yet the people who would supposedly be offended aren't
You can also say the same for banning Christmas decorations as it might offend none christians, or not flying the English flag as that might offend people as well
Has anybody ever banned Christmas decorations? It's been maintained that its just one of those myths that keeps going round.
Christmas decorations have been banned in numerous places, however on Health and Safety grounds the one that caused the most publicity was in Bradford for pretty obvious reasons
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Not sure Glyn but definitely cases where our flag has not been shown just in case it causes offence
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There are also a great deal of myths blaming health and safety whereas it is in fact ill informed people carrying out a risk assessment
I think the Christmas decoration ones involving lights that were deemed not safe was easily resolved- get lights replaced or PAT tested
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We seem to have people kicking off in case it causes offence, yet the people who would supposedly be offended aren't
can also say the same for banning Christmas decorations as it might offend none christians, or not flying the English flag as that might offend people as well
They could all go back, stay indoors but I tell you this they will mainly be drinking at Christmas..Now talking of idiots, the mother of my daughter who lives in Shepperd Rd Balby is non believer in God, teachers she says do not believe in God she says, you should not say grave before meals. and Easter is not about a religious event, her and her more stupid parents - Lurch and Morticia buy presents at Easter for the children to take away the religious aspect. I got drunk and made a mistake but could have got away with it if I had said I could not remember anything about it happening.. And they shop in Primark too
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Do you go far back enough to remember the Sambo books as well..?
I remember the book Little Black Sambo and the Tiger.
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We seem to have people kicking off in case it causes offence, yet the people who would supposedly be offended aren't
You can also say the same for banning Christmas decorations as it might offend none christians, or not flying the English flag as that might offend people as well
Has anybody ever banned Christmas decorations? It's been maintained that its just one of those myths that keeps going round.
https://tinyurl.com/h4u5n9v
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Not sure Glyn but definitely cases where our flag has not been shown just in case it causes offence
b*llocks.
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We seem to have people kicking off in case it causes offence, yet the people who would supposedly be offended aren't
You can also say the same for banning Christmas decorations as it might offend none christians, or not flying the English flag as that might offend people as well
Has anybody ever banned Christmas decorations? It's been maintained that its just one of those myths that keeps going round.
https://tinyurl.com/h4u5n9v
Where does it say that any Christmas decorations have been banned?
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It doesn't
Seems to me that rebranding - in the very few cases where it happens - is just an attempt to increase inclusivity - it's not an attempt to avoid causing offence. Those who try and paint it as the latter are just a bit sad really.
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Or a bit desperate to prove a point that isn't true.
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The name Christmas has been banned because councillors are embarrassed that it contains the word Christ. Because of this Christmas is now called Winterfest, and neutral arts such as Jack Frost lights are now used to celebrate it.
The really sad aspect of it all is that most of us peace loving people who believe in a live and let live society allow ourselves to be ruled by namby-pamby, shandy drinking, lilly livered liberals whose objectives are completely counter productive and actually cause MORE racial tension instead of less.
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Where was the name Christmas banned?
You seem to be confusing the branding a local authority has applied to all its christmas time celebrations with the official name of the religious festival.
What I find interesting is that this Winterfest idea was put forward by Councillors, who are elected representatives of the people. And what happened when the people complained? They dropped the idea the next year.
The only tension seems to come from people like you who are either lack the intelligence to differentiate or deliberately fail to differentiate to make some sort of obscure point. Either way it's pretty sad for you and your like.
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Why did people complain? Did they complain to cause tension, or, did they complain because they felt that tension was caused by the authorities who were embarrassed by the word 'Christ'?
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The name Christmas has been banned because councillors are embarrassed that it contains the word Christ. Because of this Christmas is now called Winterfest, and neutral arts such as Jack Frost lights are now used to celebrate it.
The really sad aspect of it all is that most of us peace loving people who believe in a live and let live society allow ourselves to be ruled by namby-pamby, shandy drinking, lilly livered liberals whose objectives are completely counter productive and actually cause MORE racial tension instead of less.
Yeah, none of these look the slightest bit Christmassy...
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=winterval
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Why did people complain? Did they complain to cause tension, or, did they complain because they felt that tension was caused by the authorities who were embarrassed by the word 'Christ'?
Or because they completely misunderstood the whole thing but were desperate to be offended?
Not even that article you linked to says the council were embarrassed by the word 'Christ', so were are you getting that from?
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Ah, but who has really completely misunderstood the whole thing? Is it the councillors, who originally stopped the use of the word 'Christ', because it was embarrassing, or those who protested against that decision, who were desperate to be offended?
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Ah, but who has really completely misunderstood the whole thing? Is it the councillors, who originally stopped the use of the word 'Christ', because it was embarrassing, or those who protested against that decision, who were desperate to be offended?
Not even that article you linked to says the council were embarrassed by the word 'Christ', so were are you getting that from?
Or perhaps you misunderstood what was written in that article?
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I agree with the views of people in the article that the councillors were embarrassed by the use of the word 'Christ' because they feared it offended non-Christians.
Why do you think they stopped using it?
Who has really completely misunderstood the whole thing? Is it the councillors, who originally stopped the use of the word 'Christ' or those who protested against that decision?
Which party was desperate to be offended?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324999/Rural-council-stops-flying-flag-St-George-claiming-offensive-Muslims-links-Crusades.html
http://www.therebel.media/england_bans_its_flag_to_avoid_potentially_offending_muslims_on_st_george_s_day
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/45503/Police-told-man-to-hide-racist-St-George-flag/amp
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/744822/ex-soldier-told-to-paint-over-offensive-st-georges-flag-on-front-door/
RedJ why write b*llocks
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I agree with the views of people in the article that the councillors were embarrassed by the use of the word 'Christ' because they feared it offended non-Christians.
Why do you think they stopped using it?
Who has really completely misunderstood the whole thing? Is it the councillors, who originally stopped the use of the word 'Christ' or those who protested against that decision?
Which party was desperate to be offended?
So, you don't have any proof at all that they stopped using it because they were embarrassed by it...but then have the cheek to carry on waffling as if you do!
My view of it is that they wanted to copy the original idea of 'Winterval' that Birmingham had, which was as an umbrella term for all the festivities at that time of year, including all - and banning none - of them. This was to attract people to the various trade and market events and drum up business for the area. Until the anti-PC Brigade stuck their nose in with their 'Christmas has been banned' billshut and ruined it for everyone.
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Of course, I don't have any proof, I wasn't there! I'm basing my opinion on those who were there.
Why do you think they stopped using the word 'Christ'?
Who has really completely misunderstood the whole thing? Is it the councillors, who originally stopped the use of the word 'Christ' or those who protested against that decision?
Which party was desperate to be offended?
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Of course, I don't have any proof, I wasn't there! I'm basing my opinion on those who were there.
Why do you think they stopped using the word 'Christ'?
Who has really completely misunderstood the whole thing? Is it the councillors, who originally stopped the use of the word 'Christ' or those who protested against that decision?
Which party was desperate to be offended?
Why do you think they stopped using the word 'Christ'? They didn't.
Who has really completely misunderstood the whole thing? Is it the councillors, who originally stopped the use of the word 'Christ' or those who protested against that decision? You, because they didn't stop using the word 'Christ'.
Which party was desperate to be offended? The Anti-PC Brigade. And you, apparently.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/nov/08/winterval-modern-myth-christmas
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It doesn't happy very often but the Daily Mail even clarified it was wrong on Winterval:
We stated in an article on 26 September that Christmas has been renamed in various places Winterval.
Winterval was the collective name for a season of public events, both religious and secular, which took place in Birmingham in 1997 and 1998.
We are happy to make clear that Winterval did not rename or replace Christmas
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/article-2058830/Clarifications-corrections.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
I'm still waiting to hear where it says the name Christmas was banned Bentley Bullet
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Of course, I don't have any proof, I wasn't there! I'm basing my opinion on those who were there.
Why do you think they stopped using the word 'Christ'?
Who has really completely misunderstood the whole thing? Is it the councillors, who originally stopped the use of the word 'Christ' or those who protested against that decision?
Which party was desperate to be offended?
Why do you think they stopped using the word 'Christ'? They didn't.
Who has really completely misunderstood the whole thing? Is it the councillors, who originally stopped the use of the word 'Christ' or those who protested against that decision? You, because they didn't stop using the word 'Christ'.
Which party was desperate to be offended? The Anti-PC Brigade. And you, apparently.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/nov/08/winterval-modern-myth-christmas
So after your reference to an event that occurred 18 years earlier in Birmingham, you'd think the public objection to that idea would have been taken into consideration before being adopted by Stoke on Trent councillors.
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Of course, I don't have any proof, I wasn't there! I'm basing my opinion on those who were there.
Why do you think they stopped using the word 'Christ'?
Who has really completely misunderstood the whole thing? Is it the councillors, who originally stopped the use of the word 'Christ' or those who protested against that decision?
Which party was desperate to be offended?
Why do you think they stopped using the word 'Christ'? They didn't.
Who has really completely misunderstood the whole thing? Is it the councillors, who originally stopped the use of the word 'Christ' or those who protested against that decision? You, because they didn't stop using the word 'Christ'.
Which party was desperate to be offended? The Anti-PC Brigade. And you, apparently.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/nov/08/winterval-modern-myth-christmas
So after your reference to an event that occurred 18 years earlier in Birmingham, you'd think the public objection to that idea would have been taken into consideration before being adopted by Stoke on Trent councillors.
I don't know. Perhaps they thought the people of Stoke weren't as thick or gullible as those of Birmingham. I'm only guessing their intention. But they certainly didn't ban the word 'Christ' or 'Christmas', which is why you can't prove that they did.
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Bentley and glostered are correct in that yes Christmas was banned - by the Parliament of England between 1645 and 1660 (not as commonly believed by Cromwell himself although he did ratify the decision as Protector).
Thus the only people to have actually banned Christmas are Christians because it offended Christians.
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They stopped using the word Christmas because it had Christ in it! If anyone had included the word in any part of the event it would have been undoubtedly banned.
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They stopped using the word Christmas because it had Christ in it! If anyone had included the word in any part of the event it would have been undoubtedly banned.
Undoubtedly. I presume that includes these council events too?
http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/christmas-2014-complete-guide-festive-activities/story-24649387-detail/story.html
http://www.potteye.co.uk/event-hanley-christmas-light-switch-on-2014/
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Haha I think that's game set and match Glyn_Wigley.
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Let me remind everybody That Councillors are elected by the electorate of their Communities to carry out the wishes of their local Community and NOT what they wish personally.
As for the Crusades King Richard and the Knights of St John and army were beaten in the Crusades and came back after Salamand and his army and Richard agreed a policy... So this blx that the St George Cross insults them is beyond me... Are we allowed to remove flags above a Mosque NO WE ARE NOT. Can we complain NO WE CANNOT.
We are a Christian Nation - previously Protestant then Catholic and now primarily Christian with Christian Religions living in Harmony.. As for Doncaster Council . Well they could not organise a pizz up in a brewery. I believe that they may all be British who have lived her up till now. If we go to other countries we obey their laws, the difference here is that foreigners do not, but they are told they SHOULD.
If you do not like the cake to not eat it.
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They stopped using the word Christmas because it had Christ in it! If anyone had included the word in any part of the event it would have been undoubtedly banned.
Undoubtedly. I presume that includes these council events too?
http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/christmas-2014-complete-guide-festive-activities/story-24649387-detail/story.html
http://www.potteye.co.uk/event-hanley-christmas-light-switch-on-2014/
Undoubtedly, not everyone agrees
https://tinyurl.com/zft6xro
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bally1950, what on earth are you going on about? A councillor's decision to do something has nothing to do with "foreigners".
And yes you can complain about a flag above a mosque. It probably wouldn't achieve anything because unless it was a particularly offensive flag then there's no issue, but living in this country you have every right to voice your concerns.
And if you think Brits abroad behave themselves, then you are pretty deluded.
I'm afraid you're another like Bentley Bullet. You just make things up then get outraged by the thing you've just made up. It's an odd way to go through life.
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bally1950, what on earth are you going on about? A councillor's decision to do something has nothing to do with "foreigners".
And yes you can complain about a flag above a mosque. It probably wouldn't achieve anything because unless it was a particularly offensive flag then there's no issue, but living in this country you have every right to voice your concerns.
And if you think Brits abroad behave themselves, then you are pretty deluded.
I'm afraid you're another like Bentley Bullet. You just make things up then get outraged by the thing you've just made up. It's an odd way to go through life.
I will firstly correct myself it was Salamind _ Now as for yours... So what you are stating is that Councillors who are voted in by the electorate as I was at Thorne, can then say sanfairyann to the people who elected them and do as they wish. The inclusion of Foreigners on my thread was because of the complaints about the flag of this country by foreigners and/or those of a foreign religion.. It is Britain.....Complain about a flag on a Mosque but it would n't achieve anything. etc.. I am a Roman Catholic and seeing a flag on a Mosque which is the religious place of worship of Islam - Islamic State murderers and torturers - yes that does offend me and why do they do it because we are Christians and I include you in this, if you are not then apologies would be considered only. I never said that British behave overseas, what I said was we have to obey their laws.
Like BB I am entitled to my opinion and as for making things up this is a forum I have been reminded of many times where people can express their opinion whether made up, dreamt or an illusion. If you are 100% anti Christ then that is your choice, if you think you are 100% correct then it is not me who is deluded.
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I will firstly correct myself it was Salamind
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I am guessing that you mean the Battle of the Horn of Hattin - the leader of the Muslim forces being Salah-ad-Din (Saladin). King Richard II of England was not involved as he had fallen out with the other Crusader leaders and set off home.
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What bally said I 100% agree with
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Yes he did and Jerusalem fell to the hords Richard went for the second bash I believe. But it was Christianity being attempted to be forced on the Muslim world , you are a scholar sir and I forget things.
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They stopped using the word Christmas because it had Christ in it! If anyone had included the word in any part of the event it would have been undoubtedly banned.
Undoubtedly. I presume that includes these council events too?
http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/christmas-2014-complete-guide-festive-activities/story-24649387-detail/story.html
http://www.potteye.co.uk/event-hanley-christmas-light-switch-on-2014/
Undoubtedly, not everyone agrees
https://tinyurl.com/zft6xro
He obviously couldn't be bothered to look hard enough either then.
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He didn't need, to ow'd lad, he only had to look 3 days ahead, not 18 years back!
He's talking about the same place too!
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If we go to other countries we obey their laws...
I never said that British behave overseas...
Can you see why someone might struggle to understand your point of view bally1950?
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He didn't need, to ow'd lad, he only had to look 3 days ahead, not 18 years back!
He's talking about the same place too!
All he's saying is that the events so far weren't - in his opinion only - very Christmassy. Mind you, it was still a month before Christmas itself, so like he said there was plenty of time for improvement. At least he's not stupid enough to say that the words 'Christ' or 'Christmas' were been banned. Because they weren't, as I've already shown. So that article doesn't really move us any further forward, does it?
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If we go to other countries we obey their laws...
I never said that British behave overseas...
Can you see why someone might struggle to understand your point of view bally1950?
Someone did
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Seems to me bally1950 that you're annoyed that people would request that flags are taken down because they're offended by them, but in reality no one was actually offended by them.
What we do know though is that you yourself want to take down flags on mosques as you're offended by them.
So in the end, the only thing you're aggrieved by is people who have the attitude of....you. Strange world isn't it.
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He didn't need, to ow'd lad, he only had to look 3 days ahead, not 18 years back!
He's talking about the same place too!
All he's saying is that the events so far weren't - in his opinion only - very Christmassy. Mind you, it was still a month before Christmas itself, so like he said there was plenty of time for improvement. At least he's not stupid enough to say that the words 'Christ' or 'Christmas' were been banned. Because they weren't, as I've already shown. So that article doesn't really move us any further forward, does it?
His claim that the distinct lack of any mention of the C word suggests, to me, that there was some kind of banning of the word.
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He didn't need, to ow'd lad, he only had to look 3 days ahead, not 18 years back!
He's talking about the same place too!
All he's saying is that the events so far weren't - in his opinion only - very Christmassy. Mind you, it was still a month before Christmas itself, so like he said there was plenty of time for improvement. At least he's not stupid enough to say that the words 'Christ' or 'Christmas' were been banned. Because they weren't, as I've already shown. So that article doesn't really move us any further forward, does it?
His claim that the distinct lack of any mention of the C word suggests, to me, that there was some kind of banning of the word.
'claim', 'suggest'?
But my links showing that 'Christmas' was used quite openly to describe council events doesn't 'suggest' anything to you at all??
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We seem to have people kicking off in case it causes offence, yet the people who would supposedly be offended aren't
You can also say the same for banning Christmas decorations as it might offend none christians, or not flying the English flag as that might offend people as well
Has anybody ever banned Christmas decorations? It's been maintained that its just one of those myths that keeps going round.
well you didnt respond last time as no doubt it didn't suit, Christmas decorations have been banned allbeit for Health and safety reasons probably the most reported case in Bradford which to be fair has obvious reasons why it could be widely reported and distorted, plus quite a few other places, so Glyn Christmas decorations have been banned and it isn't a myth! ..................just being technical like................... :whistle:
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I'm afraid that's not true either Dagenham Rover. If you're talking about Bradford Council, then staff were told not to stick Christmas Decorations on the walls, as it causes damage. They were still free to display them on their desk or however else they liked, as long as it caused no damage that would require repairing.
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Seems to me bally1950 that you're annoyed that people would request that flags are taken down because they're offended by them, but in reality no one was actually offended by them.
What we do know though is that you yourself want to take down flags on mosques as you're offended by them.
So in the end, the only thing you're aggrieved by is people who have the attitude of....you. Strange world isn't it.
Hang on here. I did not start this post I merely offered my opinion and also fact on the subject of Councillors, as I have been one, so my opinion may not suit you but it gains approval of others, For fact and sitting around a table in a Council Chamber then I have reality and you have ???????? I have never objected to any flag and what I said was that I disapprove when we are governed by those who are of a different religion or creed. We should acknowledge each others religious beliefs but Religion and Football cause wars and riot. We all did it in the 60's on football.
So I do not agree with you so la de dah. Que Serra Serra. Does it matter or am I now not allowed an opinion, should I continue to make things up as I go along, because I thought that opinion was just that - an opinion ---An opinion is a thought or sequence of thoughts at that particular time. Which may alter at a later time or when subject matters are then made known. But in that context "Why was the main objection to the Brexit made To stop immigration I believe, which means Religious beliefs of foreigners in this country and possibly being stopped flying the National Flag on buildings because someone objected and some Councillors are chicken Shi* and comply against those who elected them.
Three years ago, the week before CHRIST mas yes CHRIST mas, I put a sign in my front window as follows" TO ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT VISITED ME SINCE LAST CHRISTMAS NOR PHONED, WHO APPEAR AT MY DOOR NOW, EXPECTING A FREE DRINK - FU** OFF" One person came asking if it was intended for her and her family who only came at CHRIST mas if it meant her, I pointed out that the last time she came was CHRIST mas the previous year, so yes it did. I closed the door in her face.. So what you are trying to do, well it is your opinion..
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I'm afraid that's not true either Dagenham Rover. If you're talking about Bradford Council, then staff were told not to stick Christmas Decorations on the walls, as it causes damage. They were still free to display them on their desk or however else they liked, as long as it caused no damage that would require repairing.
ermm yes they were BANNED from putting them on the wall along with numerous other places ;) ;) as I said just being technical like :)
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So they weren't banned then were they?
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I am a Roman Catholic and seeing a flag on a Mosque which is the religious place of worship of Islam - Islamic State murderers and torturers - yes that does offend me...
I have never objected to any flag
Right you are sunshine
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I'm afraid that's not true either Dagenham Rover. If you're talking about Bradford Council, then staff were told not to stick Christmas Decorations on the walls, as it causes damage. They were still free to display them on their desk or however else they liked, as long as it caused no damage that would require repairing.
ermm yes they were BANNED from putting them on the wall along with numerous other places ;) ;) as I said just being technical like :)
If they were allowed to have Christmas decorations but not on the wall, then they weren't banned but a restricted use. Just being technical like. ;)
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I'm afraid that's not true either Dagenham Rover. If you're talking about Bradford Council, then staff were told not to stick Christmas Decorations on the walls, as it causes damage. They were still free to display them on their desk or however else they liked, as long as it caused no damage that would require repairing.
ermm yes they were BANNED from putting them on the wall along with numerous other places ;) ;) as I said just being technical like :)
If they were allowed to have Christmas decorations but not on the wall, then they weren't banned but a restricted use. Just being technical like. ;)
They were told not to fasten, pin, bluetack or otherwise stick Christmas decorations on the wall therefore they were banned from fixing/fastening Christmas decorations to the wall ;) ;) ;) yes they were allowed restricted use of decorations but they were banned from fastening them to the walls ;)
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So when you said "Christmas decorations have been banned"...
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I am a Roman Catholic and seeing a flag on a Mosque which is the religious place of worship of Islam - Islamic State murderers and torturers - yes that does offend me...
I have never objected to any flag
Right you are sunshine
In plain terms WHAT YOU THINK IS OFFENSIVE AND STAYS IN YOUR HEAD IS OPINION. IF YOU VOICE YOUR OBJECTION THEN IT IS AN OBJECTION.
If I call you a C**t then that is offensive and you can call the Police
If I think you are a c**t then there is nothing anyone can do.
You cannot be locked up for what you think Syme...PLAIN ENOUGH SUNSHINE
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What about if you write it down?
On say, a public forum perhaps.
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Then YES it is a problem but if you think it then it is not. You might think about killing somebody and there is nothing wrong. You might say you are going to do it but it is only a threat and the person has to believe you or others. OR if you put it on a public forum You are down right stupid, but it has to be in complete text.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this is a public forum. And so when you wrote your opinion on flags above mosques, by your own words, you have voiced a public objection in a public forum, and are therefore, again by your own words, down right stupid.
So there's no real point in discussing this anymore with you I'm afraid bally1950, as that's not much point in debating with someone who is stupid.
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Sorry for being a bit thick - but what flag is it that is flown above mosques in the UK please? I know that Hindu temples often have an orange prayer flag, but can't picture what it is that flys above a mosque?
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Sorry I cannot answer because I am according to someone as being thick thick thick A person who joined only on 16th Feb this year and as I read just slandered anyone he can. Perhaps he knows it all so I will not bother
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It's an excellent question wilts rover - I wish you luck getting an answer to it.
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What is the name of the symbol of Islam?
According to ReligionFacts, the most prominent symbol in Islam is the star and crescent. It is often on a green background and is heavily used by other countries in the past and present.
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An Islamic place of worship flying a flag with Islamic insignia on it...how more offensive can you get??
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If indeed they do fly them at all, which I think was what wilts rover was getting at.
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I'm afraid that's not true either Dagenham Rover. If you're talking about Bradford Council, then staff were told not to stick Christmas Decorations on the walls, as it causes damage. They were still free to display them on their desk or however else they liked, as long as it caused no damage that would require repairing.
ermm yes they were BANNED from putting them on the wall along with numerous other places ;) ;) as I said just being technical like :)
If they were allowed to have Christmas decorations but not on the wall, then they weren't banned but a restricted use. Just being technical like. ;)
Wherever I have worked there have been some decorations on the walls.
How much room would most people have on their desk to display anything?
Just an observation.
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An Islamic place of worship flying a flag with Islamic insignia on it...how more offensive can you get??
The flag of St. George on a church was mooted a few years ago.
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If indeed they do fly them at all, which I think was what wilts rover was getting at.
They do have flagpoles, as I remember that a Tory MP was saying a while back that they ought to fly the Union Flag (not that it's anybody's business to tell others what flags to fly, is it..?). But I've never noticed a flag on a mosque myself so I don't know what they normally fly, whether it's uniform or would vary from mosque to mosque.
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Well bally1950 seems to have spotted one.
A suspicious person might wonder why he had to perform an internet search to find out what the symbol of Islam was, rather than just tell us what flag he had seen, but I'm sure he has his reasons.
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Well bally1950 seems to have spotted one.
A suspicious person might wonder why he had to perform an internet search to find out what the symbol of Islam was, rather than just tell us what flag he had seen, but I'm sure he has his reasons.
I wonder how offensive this flag is..?
http://www.1000flags.co.uk/ekmps/shops/1000flagsuk/images/irc-red-crescent-movement-flag-with-rope-and-toggle-3-x2-90cm-x-60cm--54194-p.png
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Alright it was a flagpole within the grounds of a Mosque near to the place of worship. Now as for you Syme, what a big C L O T you are...
Better than you have tried and failed. As for me being Thick,????? well your medical qualifications to back that up or is it a matter of your opinion..
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Out of interest, was there a flag on this flagpole, and if so, what flag was it bally1950?
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If you want to see people being OTT touchy about flags, you should look at Northern Ireland sometime ......... but especially around 12 July
When we bought this house the legal purchase contract specifically banned the flying of any flag of any type from it ......... not even my Welsh Dragon or a DRFC flag :(
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I wonder how offensive this flag is..?
http://www.1000flags.co.uk/ekmps/shops/1000flagsuk/images/irc-red-crescent-movement-flag-with-rope-and-toggle-3-x2-90cm-x-60cm--54194-p.png
There are heroes in this world, and then there are those who take it to another level by entering unarmed into chaotic multi-sided conflict areas trying to deliver medical and humanitarian aid, with no protection other than the avowed position of being neutral and hoping everyone respects that. I have been very fortunate to meet a few of these very special people, and no-one has earned more respect in my eyes. They turn down military protection to show their neutrality.
It doesn't always work out - sometimes they get caught in crossfire, sometimes they are mistakenly identified, and sometimes IS (and others) have targetted them.
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I wonder how offensive this flag is..?
http://www.1000flags.co.uk/ekmps/shops/1000flagsuk/images/irc-red-crescent-movement-flag-with-rope-and-toggle-3-x2-90cm-x-60cm--54194-p.png
There are heroes in this world, and then there are those who take it to another level by entering unarmed into chaotic multi-sided conflict areas trying to deliver medical and humanitarian aid, with no protection other than the avowed position of being neutral and hoping everyone respects that. I have been very fortunate to meet a few of these very special people, and no-one has earned more respect in my eyes. They turn down military protection to show their neutrality.
It doesn't always work out - sometimes they get caught in crossfire, sometimes they are mistakenly identified, and sometimes IS (and others) have targetted them.
But...but...but...it's got a CRESCENT on it!! ;)
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http://www.post-gazette.com/life/my-generation/2017/02/28/Stargazing-Crescent-moon-passes-Venus-and-Mars/stories/201702280115
'Shakes fist at sky and knows exactly who is to blame for this offensive incurson and everything else that hasn't quite worked out'