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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Filo on March 21, 2017, 08:24:33 am
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Gone to join his many victims, I hope his death was as painful as those victims!
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Ere ere !!!
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He's always going to divide opinions, but he was undoubtedly a man of conviction who ultimately played a key role in negotiating a lasting peace.
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A horrible man but undoubtedly vital in turning the whole thing around. Can't ever make up for all those killed though.
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He's always going to divide opinions, but he was undoubtedly a man of conviction who ultimately played a key role in negotiating a lasting peace.
It seems he also played a key role in Bloody Sunday which ulitmately led to further violence during the troubles. The man was a terrorist, pure and simple! Would everyone be fawning over Bin Laden if he turned to Politics?
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I liked the Queens comment when MM was ushered into the room to meet her.
MM asked how she was and the Queen said "well i am still alive".
I always wondered whether that was a cute response telling him that the IRA didn't get her.
She apparently is blessed with a great sense of humour.
I know it was her duty to shake his hand but i bet it hurt to do so.
I wonder when his statue will be adorning Belfast.
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Lets hope that peace of shit Gerry Adams is not to far behind him
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He's always going to divide opinions, but he was undoubtedly a man of conviction who ultimately played a key role in negotiating a lasting peace.
It seems he also played a key role in Bloody Sunday which ulitmately led to further violence during the troubles. The man was a terrorist, pure and simple! Would everyone be fawning over Bin Laden if he turned to Politics?
If only it was pure and simple, there'd have been no problems.
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Got some mates from over here going across for the Northern Ireland v norway game for the weekend.
Gave them all a pre warning to wise up when out and about going pub to pub and loose lips will sink ships .
They have a list of pubs to keep to ,but when noggys get pissed they are a major pain in the backside as they think they are way above them sens
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Ps I should have added that Iam pleased as fcuk that the left footer is dead ,next up Gerry Adams then it's not far from a full house.
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I'm quite sad he's died, I'd hoped he would have suffered for longer!
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Will his death and funeral cause uproar across there?
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To be fair we have killed plenty of Irish over the last 800 years. We did start the problem! Two wrongs don't make a right though do they.
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Who alledgedly fired the first shot on Bloody Sunday?
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Who alledgedly fired the first shot on Bloody Sunday?
On balance, British troops
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Who alledgedly fired the first shot on Bloody Sunday?
On balance, British troops
Martin Mcguiness!
I've been 2-300 yards away from an exploding IRA car bomb in Enniskillen, two off duty British Soldiers that had been at the same fishing match as me were killed in the explosion, I had just walked past that car, I could easily have been one of that bas**rds innocent victims. Terrorist or Peacemaker?
In my eyes a Terrorist all day long, I hope is death was long and painful!
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What are you basing that allegation on Filo? It contradicts the official findings of the Saville report which found that:
"The firing by soldiers of 1 PARA on Bloody Sunday caused the deaths of 13 people and injury to a similar number, none of whom was posing a threat of causing death or serious injury. What happened on Bloody Sunday strengthened the Provisional IRA, increased nationalist resentment and hostility towards the Army and exacerbated the violent conflict of the years that followed. Bloody Sunday was a tragedy for the bereaved and the wounded, and a catastrophe for the people of Northern Ireland"
You can pin a lot of things on McGuinness, but unfortunately there is little evidence to support what you're alleging/repeating. However it is absolutely understandable that your own horrible experiences may cloud your judgement on this somewhat.
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What are you basing that allegation on Filo? It contradicts the official findings of the Saville report which found that:
"The firing by soldiers of 1 PARA on Bloody Sunday caused the deaths of 13 people and injury to a similar number, none of whom was posing a threat of causing death or serious injury. What happened on Bloody Sunday strengthened the Provisional IRA, increased nationalist resentment and hostility towards the Army and exacerbated the violent conflict of the years that followed. Bloody Sunday was a tragedy for the bereaved and the wounded, and a catastrophe for the people of Northern Ireland"
You can pin a lot of things on McGuinness, but unfortunately there is little evidence to support what you're alleging/repeating. However it is absolutely understandable that your own horrible experiences may cloud your judgement on this somewhat.
Ah, but you can allege as much as you like and eventually it'll stick...
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What are you basing that allegation on Filo? It contradicts the official findings of the Saville report which found that:
"The firing by soldiers of 1 PARA on Bloody Sunday caused the deaths of 13 people and injury to a similar number, none of whom was posing a threat of causing death or serious injury. What happened on Bloody Sunday strengthened the Provisional IRA, increased nationalist resentment and hostility towards the Army and exacerbated the violent conflict of the years that followed. Bloody Sunday was a tragedy for the bereaved and the wounded, and a catastrophe for the people of Northern Ireland"
You can pin a lot of things on McGuinness, but unfortunately there is little evidence to support what you're alleging/repeating. However it is absolutely understandable that your own horrible experiences may cloud your judgement on this somewhat.
Ah, but you can allege as much as you like and eventually it'll stick...
He was IRA commander, he sanctioned and probably commited the murders of many people in Northern Ireland and on the mainland UK. Today he takes those secrets of what he has done to the grave! He ended his political carreer in January on the pretext of a disagreement with the NI first minister, he refused to nominate a successor to his position, thats hardly condusive to the power sharing a agreement he supposedly work hard for was it?
He commited to peace to save his own skin and avoid jail, when he knew he was dying he resigned and blamed the first minister and threw Northern Ireland back in to uncertainty!
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I am a Catholic but not a Mass Murderer. There will be trouble on the streets over his death. Some do not want Peace. I go plenty and there is still sectarianism in both N.I. and the Republic.
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I went last year. There are still some towns and villages in the backwoods that you just don't go to. They can almost smell that you're English.
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So will you retract your claim about Bloody Sunday Filo? It undermines your other claims if you're happy to just regurgitate any old nonsense.
Anyway, there's no doubting the man has a brutal past and i can understand entirely why some would never see past it. I myself regard him as a product of his environment who fought for what he believed in and then conceded that the pen is mightier than the sword.
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I went last year. There are still some towns and villages in the backwoods that you just don't go to. They can almost smell that you're English.
I went to Northern Ireland many times during the troubles and stopped in Bandit Country just over the border in Ireland, we got threatened once in a place called Fenagh by some so called IRA sympathisers, when the local community leaders got wind of the threat they held a reception for us by way of an apology, they were embarressed by the behavoir of some of their local nutters. They weren't interested in the IRA stuff at all. The normal Irish both north and south of the border are some of the most hospitable people I've ever met, it's a shame murdering bas**rds like Mcguiness give them a bad name
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What are you basing that allegation on Filo? It contradicts the official findings of the Saville report which found that:
"The firing by soldiers of 1 PARA on Bloody Sunday caused the deaths of 13 people and injury to a similar number, none of whom was posing a threat of causing death or serious injury. What happened on Bloody Sunday strengthened the Provisional IRA, increased nationalist resentment and hostility towards the Army and exacerbated the violent conflict of the years that followed. Bloody Sunday was a tragedy for the bereaved and the wounded, and a catastrophe for the people of Northern Ireland"
You can pin a lot of things on McGuinness, but unfortunately there is little evidence to support what you're alleging/repeating. However it is absolutely understandable that your own horrible experiences may cloud your judgement on this somewhat.
Ah, but you can allege as much as you like and eventually it'll stick...
He was IRA commander, he sanctioned and probably commited the murders of many people in Northern Ireland and on the mainland UK. Today he takes those secrets of what he has done to the grave! He ended his political carreer in January on the pretext of a disagreement with the NI first minister, he refused to nominate a successor to his position, thats hardly condusive to the power sharing a agreement he supposedly work hard for was it?
He commited to peace to save his own skin and avoid jail, when he knew he was dying he resigned and blamed the first minister and threw Northern Ireland back in to uncertainty!
I don't disagree with much of what you've just written (I do disagree about his motives for resigning because I see no reason or advantage that Sinn Fein would get from triggering a process that would mean they lost the power they share when it reverts to London), but what's that got to do with the allegation you made?
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As a terrorist, there were undoubtedly lives of innocent people lost, but by becoming a politician, many lives have been saved because of the NI peace agreement. Remember it's usually the victors who decide who is the terrorist, Mandela being one before being released and becoming a leader. Wasn't the Irish president De Valera considered a terrorist too.
It's not all black and white and easy to judge.
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What are you basing that allegation on Filo? It contradicts the official findings of the Saville report which found that:
"The firing by soldiers of 1 PARA on Bloody Sunday caused the deaths of 13 people and injury to a similar number, none of whom was posing a threat of causing death or serious injury. What happened on Bloody Sunday strengthened the Provisional IRA, increased nationalist resentment and hostility towards the Army and exacerbated the violent conflict of the years that followed. Bloody Sunday was a tragedy for the bereaved and the wounded, and a catastrophe for the people of Northern Ireland"
You can pin a lot of things on McGuinness, but unfortunately there is little evidence to support what you're alleging/repeating. However it is absolutely understandable that your own horrible experiences may cloud your judgement on this somewhat.
Ah, but you can allege as much as you like and eventually it'll stick...
He was IRA commander, he sanctioned and probably commited the murders of many people in Northern Ireland and on the mainland UK. Today he takes those secrets of what he has done to the grave! He ended his political carreer in January on the pretext of a disagreement with the NI first minister, he refused to nominate a successor to his position, thats hardly condusive to the power sharing a agreement he supposedly work hard for was it?
He commited to peace to save his own skin and avoid jail, when he knew he was dying he resigned and blamed the first minister and threw Northern Ireland back in to uncertainty!
I don't disagree with much of what you've just written (I do disagree about his motives for resigning because I see no reason or advantage that Sinn Fein would get from triggering a process that would mean they lost the power they share when it reverts to London), but what's that got to do with the allegation you made?
It wasn't about what was good for Sinn Fein, it was about what was good for Mcguiness
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What are you basing that allegation on Filo? It contradicts the official findings of the Saville report which found that:
"The firing by soldiers of 1 PARA on Bloody Sunday caused the deaths of 13 people and injury to a similar number, none of whom was posing a threat of causing death or serious injury. What happened on Bloody Sunday strengthened the Provisional IRA, increased nationalist resentment and hostility towards the Army and exacerbated the violent conflict of the years that followed. Bloody Sunday was a tragedy for the bereaved and the wounded, and a catastrophe for the people of Northern Ireland"
You can pin a lot of things on McGuinness, but unfortunately there is little evidence to support what you're alleging/repeating. However it is absolutely understandable that your own horrible experiences may cloud your judgement on this somewhat.
Ah, but you can allege as much as you like and eventually it'll stick...
He was IRA commander, he sanctioned and probably commited the murders of many people in Northern Ireland and on the mainland UK. Today he takes those secrets of what he has done to the grave! He ended his political carreer in January on the pretext of a disagreement with the NI first minister, he refused to nominate a successor to his position, thats hardly condusive to the power sharing a agreement he supposedly work hard for was it?
He commited to peace to save his own skin and avoid jail, when he knew he was dying he resigned and blamed the first minister and threw Northern Ireland back in to uncertainty!
I don't disagree with much of what you've just written (I do disagree about his motives for resigning because I see no reason or advantage that Sinn Fein would get from triggering a process that would mean they lost the power they share when it reverts to London), but what's that got to do with the allegation you made?What are you basing that allegation on Filo? It contradicts the official findings of the Saville report which found that:
"The firing by soldiers of 1 PARA on Bloody Sunday caused the deaths of 13 people and injury to a similar number, none of whom was posing a threat of causing death or serious injury. What happened on Bloody Sunday strengthened the Provisional IRA, increased nationalist resentment and hostility towards the Army and exacerbated the violent conflict of the years that followed. Bloody Sunday was a tragedy for the bereaved and the wounded, and a catastrophe for the people of Northern Ireland"
You can pin a lot of things on McGuinness, but unfortunately there is little evidence to support what you're alleging/repeating. However it is absolutely understandable that your own horrible experiences may cloud your judgement on this somewhat.
Ah, but you can allege as much as you like and eventually it'll stick...
He was IRA commander, he sanctioned and probably commited the murders of many people in Northern Ireland and on the mainland UK. Today he takes those secrets of what he has done to the grave! He ended his political carreer in January on the pretext of a disagreement with the NI first minister, he refused to nominate a successor to his position, thats hardly condusive to the power sharing a agreement he supposedly work hard for was it?
He commited to peace to save his own skin and avoid jail, when he knew he was dying he resigned and blamed the first minister and threw Northern Ireland back in to uncertainty!
I don't disagree with much of what you've just written (I do disagree about his motives for resigning because I see no reason or advantage that Sinn Fein would get from triggering a process that would mean they lost the power they share when it reverts to London), but what's that got to do with the allegation you made?
It wasn't about what was good for Sinn Fein, it was about what was good for Mcguiness
Well, considering that he was dying, what good did he get out of it when he would have left a better reputation by dying in office?
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Filo, you don't seem to be inclined to withdraw your allegation. That's your choice, and again i can understand your distaste for the man, but i never understand why people choose to ignore the facts as they are presented. It's Trump-like.
You've made an incredibly provocative claim, or at least repeated one, it's found to have no basis in reality, and yet rather than admit your mistake you choose to try and move the conversation on to something else more to your liking.
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Now we have Gerry Adams on the news spouting shite .
Two of the most vile members of our history in recent times ,one down and one to go is the one possitive .
Feal sick at watching mourners following the coffin of MM as if they have lost a loved one.
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Personally I have far more admiration for people who fight for a cause than for people who fight because they can't handle their beer.
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Now we have Gerry Adams on the news spouting shite .
Two of the most vile members of our history in recent times ,one down and one to go is the one possitive .
Feal sick at watching mourners following the coffin of MM as if they have lost a loved one.
I wonder if there'll be a para military funeral, balaclava's and guns etc.
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Personally I have far more admiration for people who fight for a cause than for people who fight because they can't handle their beer.
Beer had nothing to do with if you informed fool
So you look upto likes of adams and MM who had dealings with that chip shop bombing in the north west of England ,to only mention one event.
Wonder if you have same admiration if it was your child caught up in said bombing .
I like to think you only posted that b*llocks just to get a bite from me?
If not please feal free to go and jump under a slow moving train.
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Personally I have far more admiration for people who fight for a cause than for people who fight because they can't handle their beer.
Beer had nothing to do with if you informed fool
Nothing to do with what? Did I mention you?
I know you have a penchant for wanting to knock out strangers but perhaps you could try posting without insulting people in future.
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Now we have Gerry Adams on the news spouting shite .
Two of the most vile members of our history in recent times ,one down and one to go is the one possitive .
Feal sick at watching mourners following the coffin of MM as if they have lost a loved one.
I wonder if there'll be a para military funeral, balaclava's and guns etc.
If there was I doubt it would be stopped
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Now we have Gerry Adams on the news spouting shite .
Two of the most vile members of our history in recent times ,one down and one to go is the one possitive .
Feal sick at watching mourners following the coffin of MM as if they have lost a loved one.
I wonder if there'll be a para military funeral, balaclava's and guns etc.
If there was I doubt it would be stopped
I doubt it would be stopped either, but if it did happen it would piss in the notion that he had abandoned the gun
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Well is it not Irish custom to be burried by the 3rd day .
If so we will soon see what sky news offers us.
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Thurday afternoon the Funeral
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Got some mates from over here going across for the Northern Ireland v norway game for the weekend.
Gave them all a pre warning to wise up when out and about going pub to pub and loose lips will sink ships .
They have a list of pubs to keep to ,but when noggys get pissed they are a major pain in the backside as they think they are way above them sens
Do you have a list of pubs for every town and city in Europe ? There are good and bad areas in most places.
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Got some mates from over here going across for the Northern Ireland v norway game for the weekend.
Gave them all a pre warning to wise up when out and about going pub to pub and loose lips will sink ships .
They have a list of pubs to keep to ,but when noggys get pissed they are a major pain in the backside as they think they are way above them sens
Do you have a list of pubs for every town and city in Europe ? There are good and bad areas in most places.
No I don't have a list of pubs from whatever European city.
This is how it works
Mate from oslo tells us he is going to the northern ireland game with some mates.he asks me what are best and most important safest pubs to drink in or not to drink in .
I call a mate at whatever club who I know spends a lot of time out there and he gives me the low down on what's the best and safest pub as I have vouched for the Norwegian lads .
They have been pre warned not to fcuk about out there and to enjoy their trip, as they now have a local contact number and will be looked after.
I do recall back in the 1980s that at certian times in certian pubs that collection tins were handed out by not very nice men for collection money towards the ira around the KingsX area in London.
For obvious reasons you would allways stay well clear of such pubs
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It is my opinion for what it is worth that McGuiness was heavily involved in the violence over many years. Nevertheless, the sectarian hatred in NI was so deep seated that for anyone to stand any chance of leading the Republicans to peace they had to have total credibility amongst even the most militant of them.
Nobody other than McGuiness and Adams could have brought the IRA to heel. In that sense, they were consulate politicians.
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It's bonfire night and party's down sandy row now ,not looking good on the tension front I guess
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RTE 1 channel seem to be finding only good things to say about MM at the moment .
Interesting viewing mind you
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Got some mates from over here going across for the Northern Ireland v norway game for the weekend.
Gave them all a pre warning to wise up when out and about going pub to pub and loose lips will sink ships .
They have a list of pubs to keep to ,but when noggys get pissed they are a major pain in the backside as they think they are way above them sens
Do you have a list of pubs for every town and city in Europe ? There are good and bad areas in most places.
No I don't have a list of pubs from whatever European city.
This is how it works
Mate from oslo tells us he is going to the northern ireland game with some mates.he asks me what are best and most important safest pubs to drink in or not to drink in .
I call a mate at whatever club who I know spends a lot of time out there and he gives me the low down on what's the best and safest pub as I have vouched for the Norwegian lads .
They have been pre warned not to fcuk about out there and to enjoy their trip, as they now have a local contact number and will be looked after.
I do recall back in the 1980s that at certian times in certian pubs that collection tins were handed out by not very nice men for collection money towards the ira around the KingsX area in London.
For obvious reasons you would allways stay well clear of such pubs
aye and gawd help you if you refused to "donate"
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I never stayed in said pubd to find out ,just got a warning by some mates down that neck of woods when I would drink round kingsX waiting for whatever train back home.
Got to the point you could near enough set your watch when the collectors would come round so KFC was the place.
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Many years ago my dad went over to Ireland to visit relatives.
They were in a pub one night when the balaclava heads came in with collection buckets.
The relatives advised dad to put some money in the buckets and not to speak or even look at the men.
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My guess is that this went on at the catholic club opposite the coal house and the Irish club just round the corner ,but it was a lot more under the table or not in your face .
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I have no idea where it happened but he did say it was quite frightening and was very much in his face.
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The catholic club and Irish club was two clubs in Doncaster me DRFChound.
I know that the catholic club no longer stands ,but as I said my guess is that they had quite not in your face collections for the cause many moons ago.
I have been in there with relatives when I was much younger and some things back then still don't sit right with me.
Infact I have cutt my links off with that side of the family
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We did the boiler replacement at the old Catholic club when it was on the corner near Silver Street, Nether Hall Road.
Regular about 3 o' clockish a sergeant and PC would come in and have a pint in the little back room.
How times have changed since 1965.
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RTE 1 channel seem to be finding only good things to say about MM at the moment .
Interesting viewing mind you
I wonder if they found as many good things to say as the BBC did yesterday? I thought some sort of Saint had died.
I accept McGuinness did play an important part in the peace process and to me seemed to become better reconciled to it than quite a few ex IRA people did. I think that is why he, rather than Gerry Adams, became the public face of Sinn Fein, at least in Northern Ireland.
But he never expressed regret or sorrow for the innocent people who died as a result of activities in which he was personally involved. By that I mean civilians, both in Ireland and in Britain.
For that reason I can't feel any great sorrow at his passing.
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He's always going to divide opinions, but he was undoubtedly a man of conviction who ultimately played a key role in negotiating a lasting peace.
He threw in the towel once he new his time was up as a bomber to avoid being sent away for a long time . Death followed that man around and it caught him up finally , now that's justice .
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He is DEAD, forget him
BUT never forget those who died at his and his parties hands. They are the ones who should be remembered.
The reason why RTE and Public Figures are saying nice things about him is because they would no doubt be singled out for a bullet or bomb if otherwise. He and Adams are the same, both are murderers both went into Politics to avoid a similar fate to others. Unlike Bernadette Devlin who went into Politics and was shot in her own home (survived and left Politics eventually)
Adams a Politician in the Republic and Mc G. in the North attempting to pull the two halves of the country together for a United Ireland. _ If Home Rule was to be achieved (and I personally would like it to happen and Peace made) then you will always have those who do not want it. They do / Do Not wish to be governed by and Englishman as we are called.. And certainly in the North they do not want to be governed by the Catholics who are the minority but in a United Ireland it would be the Protestants who are the minority.
And before we go on about who fired the first shot in The Bloody Sunday Event. ask Who fired the First Shot in the Easter Rising. The only person to face the blame is Cromwell.
I have sat in houses, pubs and weddings over there in the South (Free State as it is) and been subject to abuse because I am an Englishman. y answer was always the same..It was not me who started all this it was Oliver CRomwell 400 years ago. I was not even born.
Just another story - It's the Way I Tellem.
Grandparents from Mayo
Wife from Donegal
Son is Irish Citizen. You think that makes you safe there??????
Forget Mc G.
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What did I Say.
In today's Breaking News.
A device that exploded in Strabane, County Tyrone, was an attempt to kill police officers, the PSNI has said.
A device exploded while officers were on patrol on Tuesday night, police said.
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Is no one going to state the bleeding obvious then?
The guy had a past that many don't like. But he turned away. he changed approach and, even more importantly, he brought almost an entire underground army with him. If nothing else, that deserves a bit of credit. Without Martin McGuinness and what he did, we would be fighting in Northern Ireland now.
And one other thought: freedom fighters, of whatever persuasion, always piss off those they are fighting. Nelson Mandela was a terrorist once. I think it's 4 Prime Ministers of Israel have been locked up inside British prisons as terrorists. It's all a question of ones point of view. If I were an exploited, ignored, vilified and downtrodden Roman Catholic in the Bogside in the 1960's and 1970's I might well have taken up arms in an attempt to stop the bas**rd B Specials kicking shit out of any Catholic they felt like. It all depends where you are standing.....
BobG
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Killing innocent people will never solve anything.
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Killing innocent people will never solve anything.
Pacific War, World War 2?
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Is no one going to state the bleeding obvious then?
The guy had a past that many don't like. But he turned away. he changed approach and, even more importantly, he brought almost an entire underground army with him. If nothing else, that deserves a bit of credit. Without Martin McGuinness and what he did, we would be fighting in Northern Ireland now.
And one other thought: freedom fighters, of whatever persuasion, always piss of those they are fighting. Nelson Mandela was a terrorist once. I think it's 4 Prime Ministers of Israel have been locked up inside British prisons as terrorists. It's all a question of ones point of view. If I were an exploited, ignored, vilified and downtrodden Roman Catholic in the Bogside in the 1960's and 1970's I might well have taken up arms in an attempt to stop the bas**rd B Specials kicking shit out of any Catholic they felt like. It all depends where you are standing.....
BobG
Spot on.
I find it utterly nauseating that people still refuse to acknowledge any atrocities took place at the hands of, or in collaboration with, the British armed forces.
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https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/martin-mcguinnesss-eulogisers-like-forget/
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Is no one going to state the bleeding obvious then?
The guy had a past that many don't like. But he turned away. he changed approach and, even more importantly, he brought almost an entire underground army with him. If nothing else, that deserves a bit of credit. Without Martin McGuinness and what he did, we would be fighting in Northern Ireland now.
And one other thought: freedom fighters, of whatever persuasion, always piss of those they are fighting. Nelson Mandela was a terrorist once. I think it's 4 Prime Ministers of Israel have been locked up inside British prisons as terrorists. It's all a question of ones point of view. If I were an exploited, ignored, vilified and downtrodden Roman Catholic in the Bogside in the 1960's and 1970's I might well have taken up arms in an attempt to stop the bas**rd B Specials kicking shit out of any Catholic they felt like. It all depends where you are standing.....
BobG
I thought post No.39 was a similar acknowledgement Bob, not written as well as you did mind. BTW 'consulate' was meant to be consummate,
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I did giggle at 'consulate' Pies. I knew what you meant though.
And yes. My apologies to you Pies. I did read Post 39 - and then in the white hot heat of creation, I forgot about it.
You know what I find nauseating about way too many comments generally about Martin McGuiness? That everybody shouts, loudly, how they despise, hate, loathe, (pick your own), the man beacuse of what he once did, yet when he returns to the fold, bringing an entire religion with him, we continue to despise him. Anyone would think that being directly responsible for endingthe fear, torture and death practised over decades by both sides is of no value whatever. Weird or what? You may not like the bloke. But he played a seminal role in ending something that, ultimately, was caused by the leadership of this United Kingdom. Despite his past, he ended up being one of the most important, and effective, politicians this country has seen in the last 60 years.
You don't have to like the guy. But you do have to be honest. When it's only weaknesses that dominate the agenda why would anyone ever choose to do anything positive? We are all a mix of good and bad, positive and negative. Focussing on one to the exclusion of the other simply demonstrates a crippling narrowness of thinking.
BobG
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Well I avoided being blown up in the Kings arms at Woolwich purely because I'd arranged to meet a local lass in the Queen Vic 500 yds down the road Ive had fridges launched out of the windows of the xnthh floor of the Divis flats at me, we drove into a ta barracks and they shot the poor lad that opened the gate for us (but that was his fault cos he "showed" himself while opening the gate according to some) I was sat in a pub ironically called the bag of nails round the back of Buck house before being on duty at a garden party when they blew the band up at Regents Park .........Am I sorry to see him go am i feck
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Well said dagerham rover ,far too many w**kers on this thread in my humble opinion
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How anyone on here can really and truly have nothing but disdain for him is unbelievable. Either never been involved in anything, or never been approached by the balaclava brigade demanding money for the cause. Being almost blown up. Or been the only Englishman in a pub of rebel singers bleating about hating the English and finally being briefed to keep your mouth shut by SB before you go over the pond and interviewed when you came back. Then the people who this includes knows very well why you can never forgive the IRA in any entity for Adams - Mc Guinness or any of them. They are at war with the UK. County Donegal where I go is a hotbed and truly "Bandit Country"
Irish in KIltimagh where my grandad came from spoke to me UNTIL they asked my late wife (Irish) if I was an American, she replied "English" they were gone. Because even they are afraid to be caught speaking to English.. Yes it has got better BUT be assured there is still plenty going off and the current political argument is purely not in the name of peace, it is to put Westminster in a difficult position.
Give Ireland (an Island) total Independence and see - So all you do -gooders Pick the Bones out of that.
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How anyone on here can really and truly have nothing but disdain for him is unbelievable. Either never been involved in anything, or never been approached by the balaclava brigade demanding money for the cause. Being almost blown up. Or been the only Englishman in a pub of rebel singers bleating about hating the English and finally being briefed to keep your mouth shut by SB before you go over the pond and interviewed when you came back. Then the people who this includes knows very well why you can never forgive the IRA in any entity for Adams - Mc Guinness or any of them. They are at war with the UK. County Donegal where I go is a hotbed and truly "Bandit Country"
Irish in KIltimagh where my grandad came from spoke to me UNTIL they asked my late wife (Irish) if I was an American, she replied "English" they were gone. Because even they are afraid to be caught speaking to English.. Yes it has got better BUT be assured there is still plenty going off and the current political argument is purely not in the name of peace, it is to put Westminster in a difficult position.
Give Ireland (an Island) total Independence and see - So all you do -gooders Pick the Bones out of that.
Only in a country such as ours, where you're allowed to speak your mind without fear of retribution would you find so many of its residents brave enough to condemn it.
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BB you do not have to tell me that, The look on peoples faces in the pub tell it all. I came out of Mass one Sunday morning in 1978 ish. The Police Station accross from it had a man with a megaphone preaching the Gospel according to Bobby Sands who was on a hunger strike. I blasted the car horn as we passed alongside, the fear of my passengers was apparent "We have to live here" I was told. (Probably stupid)
I got married in Donegal on a Friday in August and the next day a British army officer who got married in Dublin was shot on the church steps but luckily survived. This was told me at a security post in Ballyshannon by the Guards and two British soldiers training a machine gun om my car which had English plates. Did I tell them I was a Catholic and a Policeman. You Guess - I would have been alright saying I was Catholic But....As I was warned.."You never know who you are talking to even in the Guards (Police) Sound Advice - the locals know me and know my wifes family. So generally there are no problems. I cannot say that if they knew my previous employment.
Yes they still are frightened.
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I cringed when watching Gerry Adams on the news this morning.
In his speech at the funeral he said "Martin McGuinnes was not a terrorist".
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I cringed when watching Gerry Adams on the news this morning.
In his speech at the funeral he said "Martin McGuinnes was not a terrorist".
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter
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Well they both held hands many times in The Cause.
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I'm not going to the Plymouth game, I'll be Belfast for 4 days,going to Northern Ireland vs Norway.
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Enjoy the Craic
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It's not a one off trip , I spend a lot of time there, and the only thing I don't enjoy is the " diddly - dee music " that they play in some of pubs/bars
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One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter
Am I wrong in thinking freedom fighters target the military, whereas terrorists target civilians?
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Martin McGuinness leaves a peaceful Northern Ireland, free from British Imperialism, and the Political arm of the IRA on the verge of majority control in Northern Ireland. Within that statement there are 3 notions that decades ago nobody thought was remotely possible. Regardless of your opinion of the guy, he leaves arguably one of the biggest legacies of any political leaders in the modern era.
The sad truth is that in any conflict there is no goodies and baddies. The entire saga of the Irish conflict in the 20th century both in the South and the North left behind gallons and gallons of innocent blood spilt both in mainland Britain and throughout Ireland. We can't defend the British Paratroopers involvement in the Bloody Sunday killings anymore than we can defend the atrocities carried out by the IRA.
What I will say however, is that someone like Martin McGuinness who fought for a cause on the frontline and then entered politics to find common ground, tolerance and peace earns far more of my respects than say, Tony Blair. Who ran for public office, misled Parliament and orchestrated an invasion that cost over half a million innocent lives. Of those two men, which one is the freedom fighter, and who is the terrorist?
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I cringed when watching Gerry Adams on the news this morning.
In his speech at the funeral he said "Martin McGuinnes was not a terrorist".
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter
What a fecking stupid thing to say - he was no Che Guevara. Pleased he's gone , freedom fighter he definitely wasn't !
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To you he wasn't hoolahoop, but to others he may well have been.
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Yes, I agree totally Syme - He died on Tuesday.. On Tuesday night in Strabane there was a bomb attack on the Police, clearly aimed at killing.
Last night two lads were hurt in Craigavon when a petrol bomb was thrown through the window of their house.
Strange is that. I suppose though it could be coincidence that these issues happened, perhaps they would have if he had not died and been made a martyr by some. And perhaps just perhaps not everybody has that opinion.
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I felt phyiscal sick when I saw Clinton and Adams walking just about hand in hand in the church.
Them Americans really pissed me off over the years as succsesive British governments tried their upmost to get every USA president to denounce the ira .
Shit loads of money was been raised across the pond by plastic micks ,for the ira then to buy weapons and bomb U.K. Mainland and kill British troops in ire.
No president would denounce the ira because it will cost them votes.
With America never having to suffer Mainland terror attacks on home soil the money flowed in to ira.
Then the yanks had to deal with the twin towers and bascially straight after they woke up and smelt the coffee and money stopped been sent across to ira.
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http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-raised-12-million-in-the-united-states-1.2126033
Still flowing to Sinn Féin. With circa 40 million Irish-Americans there'll always be a healthy pool to draw from.
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The petrol bomb in Craigavon had little or nothing to do with political or religious issues.
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The petrol bomb in Craigavon had little or nothing to do with political or religious issues.
Them nerwegian lads are catching up with some linfield lads on Saturday to watch their wherever it's been played.
That rangers bar you mentioned ,you should see a Norwegian flag that's hung up in it,that's a close
friends of mine.he is allways across in that neck of the woods.
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http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-raised-12-million-in-the-united-states-1.2126033
Still flowing to Sinn Féin. With circa 40 million Irish-Americans there'll always be a healthy pool to draw from.
Not to mention all the money from most of the smuggled fags sold cheap in Britain. I hope those of you who buy them thinking you're sticking two fingers up to the government can sleep soundly with a clear conscience knowing where your money is really going.
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The petrol bomb in Craigavon had little or nothing to do with political or religious issues.
And you know how ????????
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I cringed when watching Gerry Adams on the news this morning.
In his speech at the funeral he said "Martin McGuinnes was not a terrorist".
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter
What a fecking stupid thing to say - he was no Che Guevara. Pleased he's gone , freedom fighter he definitely wasn't !
In case you haven't read the whole thread,I am of the same opinion as you regarding the man. I don't see whats stupid about that statement, to me he was a terrorist, to Gerry Adams and his apologists for him, he was a freedom fighter
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http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-raised-12-million-in-the-united-states-1.2126033
Still flowing to Sinn Féin. With circa 40 million Irish-Americans there'll always be a healthy pool to draw from.
Impressive research - not bad for someone who berated myself for searching the internet to back up my argument then Syme. "I have been waiting old pal"
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It's not that impressive to use Google to be honest bally1950. Be an old mate and remind me where I berated you for your search engine prowess?
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That a notice of your intention is it, then I am right. You are a CLOT xxxxxx
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Thanks for clarifying. I'm sure it makes sense to you.
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I have made my last statement on the subject. :that: :that: :that: :that: :that:
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And what a powerful one it was.
There's something slightly nostalgic about the schoolyard nature of some of these posts. Twit, plum, clot...
Of course, it goes without saying, I know you are, you said you are, but what am I.
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The petrol bomb in Craigavon had little or nothing to do with political or religious issues.
Them nerwegian lads are catching up with some linfield lads on Saturday to watch their wherever it's been played.
That rangers bar you mentioned ,you should see a Norwegian flag that's hung up in it,that's a close
friends of mine.he is allways across in that neck of the woods.
Linfield are away at Ballamallard,it's about 70 miles from Belfast, I'll have a look out for the Norwegian lads tonight when I'm out
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Personally I have far more admiration for people who fight for a cause than for people who fight because they can't handle their beer.
Just a little difference there Syme, people who fight because of beer don't usually end up killing innocent people, do they? Admiration?
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Personally I have far more admiration for people who fight for a cause than for people who fight because they can't handle their beer.
Just a little difference there Syme, people who fight because of beer don't usually end up killing innocent people, do they? Admiration?
I'd suggest they do.
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So mr syme can understand why a terrorist will blow untold arms and legs off via a pre planned act ,and he type of can accept it because they are fighting for a cause.thats not too mention the chopping off of heads etc etc > they are doing for a cause.
But god forbid when some lads are windmilling trying to knock the hell
out of each other ,he can't live with that act for what it was.
I think he is just trying to rub me up the wrong way,that surely can't be his true opinion.
Mr syme I have had much bigger kunts than you trying it on with me,some were successfull most were not.
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I honestly cannot translate that. Therefore it's very difficult for me to respond.
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The "Scaryest" place i have ever been in Ireland, Northern and Republic ( and i have been to lots, Lived for years in many) was Cookstown Co.Tyrone. And thats a Loyalist town ( Red Hand Brigade etc).
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Apart from the IRA bomb exploding in Ennislkillen, the sacriest place i been is going through the army checkpoints between Northen Ireland and Ireland, machine guns trained on you and the risk of snipper fire while your stood there while the Army check you out. All long gone now though
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Yes Filo. In the middle of the night held at an unmanned barrier whilst being checked out by radio then progress to the next and you are trapped between two, in pitch black - My late wife just said "What are we stopping for there is nobody here" I explained the situation.
Also passing through Five Mile Town, a row of big trees on approach to the barrier with Army there, soldiers facing you behind the tree as you travel from the North, again I had to explain the situation to her, she went beserk and then as we passed the barrier I told her to look on the Republc side of big trees on our left, more soldiers with rifles half raised. She was not a happy bunny.
Roundabout at Ballyshannon but this time it was soldiers from Republic pulling you up with machine guns in your face and others behind a barricade. mmmmmm
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Apart from the IRA bomb exploding in Ennislkillen, the sacriest place i been is going through the army checkpoints between Northen Ireland and Ireland, machine guns trained on you and the risk of snipper fire while your stood there while the Army check you out. All long gone now though
The army post at Beleek, I went one day and a few days later it was gone, also the big hotel in the market square was blown up whilst I was on holiday there in Donegal. Rather uneasy sat in a car with English plates ensuring no one got near to it. brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Oh What Fun
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I'm really enjoying some civilian war stories about day trips across the water.
"I drove past a mural once, shit me right up"
Keep going lads, probably a book deal in it for you.
Whilst I appreciate that you have served in the armed forces and have seen much more horrible things than I have ever seen or want to see, and much respect to you for that. I'm sure you can appreciate the fear of a mere civilian being a few yards from an exploding car bomb killing two members of the armed forces is surely not something that should be mocked
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I'm really enjoying some civilian war stories about day trips across the water.
"I drove past a mural once, shit me right up"
Keep going lads, probably a book deal in it for you.
Thing is. your job. As they say, you signed up for it old lad.
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I'm really enjoying some civilian war stories about day trips across the water.
"I drove past a mural once, shit me right up"
Keep going lads, probably a book deal in it for you.
Thing is. your job. As they say, you signed up for it old lad.
Were you not a copper? Because you signed up for it as well!
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If you read some other posts, I ACTUALLY DID STATE THAT I SIGNED UP FOR THE JOB THEREFORE I AM SOLELY TO BLAME FOR WHAT I DEALT WITH - yes tou are correct I claim 5 bob....
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I'm really enjoying some civilian war stories about day trips across the water.
"I drove past a mural once, shit me right up"
Keep going lads, probably a book deal in it for you.
Thing is. your job. As they say, you signed up for it old lad.
Oh by the way. A little respect please.. I WAS A POLICEMAN. not a copper
Were you not a copper? Because you signed up for it as well!
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http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nigel-farage/serviceman-martin-mcguinness-returns-medal/
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I trpray. Have some respect I was a Policeman, not a copper :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police:
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Had my run ins with the police ,but they have had my respect allways
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Great to see the Norwegian no surrender flag Northern Ireland v norway game.
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somebody will make something of that comment. I wonder who ??????
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http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nigel-farage/serviceman-martin-mcguinness-returns-medal/
And he wasn't disgusted when McGuiness was made Deputy First Secretary or when the Queen shook his hand but kept his medal till now? Odd.
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I know of at least one who will appreciate the flag in question,but a handfull who will spin the post right round as their piss is boiling
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You're absolutely desperate for people to be offended by the things you say aren't you.
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What's wrong with a noggy no surrender flag ?
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http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nigel-farage/serviceman-martin-mcguinness-returns-medal/
And he wasn't disgusted when McGuiness was made Deputy First Secretary or when the Queen shook his hand but kept his medal till now? Odd.
He no doubt was but as they say "the straw that broke the camel's back"
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Despite many thinking to the contrary, there is only one saint in Ireland's history and his name is Patrick and not Martin.
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He commited to peace to save his own skin and avoid jail
He ran the enormous risk of being seen as a modern day Michael Collins and suffering the same fate, which would only have taken one man to perpetrate. I don't see his turning to peace - and even more importantly, dragging the rest of the IRA with him - as being any kind of 'safe' option for him at all.
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You're absolutely desperate for people to be offended by the things you say aren't you.
I'll give it 3 months before he realises no one buys into his bullshit brand of hate and he f**ks off again.
SR.
What is this about please I am getting confused by all this now.
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I left here because I had to go on a course to improve on my Norwegian writting ,which would help me change to a different department in my job.
I was not banned by the forum admin which you and one other have tried to claim.i sent both you and the other that I left on my own accord.
So now you come up with more shite to suit your agenda .
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I left here because I had to go on a course to improve on my Norwegian writting ,which would help me change to a different department in my job.
I was not banned by the forum admin which you and one other have tried to claim.i sent both you and the other that I left on my own accord.
So now you come up with more shite to suit your agenda .
That's exactly what he said.
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I think it's pretty apparent that the truth is irrelevant to not on facebook.
He takes offence at things that haven't been said, lambasts people for not doing things they've actually done and crticises those who do things he'd previously supported.
He must be due another sabbatical.
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I think that NOF is getting a bit of a rum deal here. Yes, he has some robust opinions, he may not be an erudite wordsmith and his views may not be very popular but so what? He's entitled to express his view even when in a minority. Let's face it, this forum, like all others has it's fair share of pompous, self important hypocrites. NOF at least brings another opinion and whilst I suspect that him and I are on the opposite sides of the spectrum on most matters (me being a 'leftie' and that) he's every right to speak his mind. Even if I think it's bullshit.
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Just makes me laugh when he posts something he thinks might be controversial then seems genuinely disappointed nobody has been offended by said post.
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I left here because I had to go on a course to improve on my Norwegian writting ,which would help me change to a different department in my job.
I was not banned by the forum admin which you and one other have tried to claim.i sent both you and the other that I left on my own accord.
So now you come up with more shite to suit your agenda .
That's exactly what he said.
First he said in a different thread that the VSC board banned me for been racist ,which was not the case.so I sent him a PM saying so as he what he was spouting was not true.
After a PM him he now says in this thread that I left because of some racial outburst ,which again he was wrong .
So I felt the need to put things straight in a public view to stop whoever making things up.
Like I said before Glynn this is personal so keep fcuking out
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Nothing worse when you don't have a sense of any sense of humor what so ever.
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Just makes me laugh when he posts something he thinks might be controversial then seems genuinely disappointed nobody has been offended by said post.
I don't post on here looking for approval of anything ,I just post what I think wrong or right as to what
Ever makes me happy or upset.
I know Iam not most persons cup of tea but I can live with that. It's fcukers like you that seem to have the issues .
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Nothing worse when you don't have a sense of any sense of humor what so ever.
Talking of fcukers up pops mr syme ,sorry I have not posted on your kippers thread and for the record
I found it quite funny and well thought out fella.
Plaese carry on as normall.
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Like I said before Glynn this is personal so keep fcuking out
Don't tell me - or anybody else to 'keep fcuking out' of something you yourself have deliberately made public. If this really is personal then do this by PM and keep it that way. You have no right whatsoever to tell anybody to shut up about anything you or anybody else posts publicly on here. If you don't like that, perhaps its time you went on another writing course.
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I did it by PM and he brought it out into the open,that's why I tell you to keep out.
Do me a favour mr Glynn.
Can you be the person that will add a poll to my thread above and you can be the spokesman or whatever it is you call it.
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I did it by PM and he brought it out into the open,that's why I tell you to keep out.
Do me a favour mr Glynn.
Can you be the person that will add a poll to my thread above and you can be the spokesman or whatever it is you call it.
From you wrote it sounded like he posted it in a thread, then you PMed him, then in this thread he didn't say you were banned so didn't repeat it so I'm not sure what you mean when you say he brought it out into the open.
I don't know how to add a poll to my own posts - and I'm pretty sure I (or anyone else) can't add one to someone else's post, you'd probably have to ask forum admin.
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While things are in court procedings Glynn fella iam not adding to owt that might harm my case.
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Like I said before Glynn this is personal so keep fcuking out
Don't tell me - or anybody else to 'keep fcuking out' of something you yourself have deliberately made public. If this really is personal then do this by PM and keep it that way. You have no right whatsoever to tell anybody to shut up about anything you or anybody else posts publicly on here. If you don't like that, perhaps its time you went on another writing course.
What about when somebody says "You are Thick" ?
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Good god man, this has really upset you hasn't it. You constantly reference it.
To summarise you said this forum is a public place.
You said anyone who makes extreme views known in public is thick.
You had already posted your extreme views.
So you called yourself thick. And the more you talk about it the truer it gets.
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Thank you - Fell for it did you not. Why did you not answer previously as it was you who directly called me thick. Now my dear friend I hope we have chance to meet
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Good god man, this has really upset you hasn't it. You constantly reference it.
To summarise you said this forum is a public place.
You said anyone who makes extreme views known in public is thick.
You had already posted your extreme views.
So you called yourself thick. And the more you talk about it the truer it gets.
I ALSO REMEMBER you SAYING THAT THIS WAS A PUBLIC FORUM WHEN i MENTIONED PEOPLE BEING A C**T AND THAT I WAS THICK. WELL WHO WAS THICKER WHEN I COMPLETED THE WORD C L O T
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You've called yourself thick and yet you're annoyed with me?
I can't see any reason in that I'm afraid.
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I will leave it to you to read the other comments on the thread between you and I and you will clearly see my friend that I am clearly not Thick. Enjoy the trip. Tell me do you actually attend games
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It might be clear to you...
I attend games yes, although admittedly not as much as I used to.
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Allways thought that I was the fick one or thickest on these streets .
My spelling is shocking and my grandma is no better .
But in my defence your honour ,my iPad is set on norsk text and it's a
mare when typing but it humors me.
Anyone try typing in french/German or Norwegian on their English set iPads and get back to me.
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Have you tried turning off the autocorrect?
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It might be clear to you...
I attend games yes, although admittedly not as much as I used to.
That is what I thought as you do not tend to comment on the Football aspect of this forum
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Glad you're keeping tabs on me xxx
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RedJ fella > > > let's put it this way when I was at St. Peter's high school just as the computor age was starting to be noticed by schools.
There was a notice up one day saying ' Tuesday after school learn about computors report to classroom whatever'
Me and my mate sat through the first lesseon and it was all about
0110 00110 thingy mi jigs .
After the lesson teacher asked who was comming back next week ,and me in my wisdom said ' no Iam sorry as I just can't see these computor things ever catching on'
No today that has got to go down as one of the worst mistakes I have ever done in my life,as my computor know how has not improved one jot.
I recall when I first used a PC and a mouse that works from a small mat about 10 years ago.the cursor seemed to be stuck on left hand side of the screen and it was really pissing me off that I could not get the cursor to move across the screen.
So I then took in a very deep breath,meditated for 30mins repeated the word dolphins dolphins dolphins to me sen and calm down.
Thought about the problem with all my logic and picked up the mouse and worked from the near side window ledge to my right hand side .
R girt came in and said in Norwegian WTF are you trying to do FFS.
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I too went to St Peter's between 1961 and 66 but we had an abacus and a Maths teacher called Mr Hickling that was a s close as we got to computers.
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Did you play rugby with Chico Bally?
He was a big lad, I played against him when I was at Oswin Ave. or Balby High school as it became.
I left in 1964.
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I do not recall the name, the only really big lads we had would have been Eugene Genney and another kid who's name was with me reading your post but now gone (too many knocks to head). The name Eddie springs to mind, he wore glasses. I did play against Ossie Ave once I recall but it was at St. P's.
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The only one that I recall would have come from your way was Mark Flewitt but I just think he came from Edlo not sure, around 64 -68 ish I spent a lot of time down Balby. We hung around near Spinney Pub (Saw Dougie Sissons at game on Sat - real name Dave.) Pete Brett. Dave Godfrey - Dave Bell and I went out with Christine Wilkinson who lived in tin houses on Weston RD. She later married Dave Pflaster but they divorced. My daughter is in yr 6 at Mallard. I have just returned from school run (Balby Rd grrrrr) Keep looking to try and see if I can see Chris around. She was at Ossie Ave
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I too went to St Peter's between 1961 and 66 but we had an abacus and a Maths teacher called Mr Hickling that was a s close as we got to computers.
Fcuk me Bally1950 are paths have crossed in quite a few ways ,what with you been a bobby at BV during my darker days ,it's an even chance that our paths have crossed .
Now you went to St. Peter's high school albeit some years previous to me.
Mr hickling was my form teacher and English teacher when I was there.but I guess all the previous years of pupils at Peter's must have fcuked him up,as he was damaged goods by time I was there.
I was shit scared of him and the woodwork teacher mr akroyeed ( spell check). The head master was noddy smith in my day .
Used to have fights with Wilby Carr all the time and me living in cantley and having to wear that red bug uniform I stuck out like a sore thumb whenever going home from school ,and would get kicked from post to pillar on the wrong days.
Funny how things turn out as the willby Carr lot that gave me such grief back then are now part of my inner circle due to the ddr.
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I can't remember his first name offhand, just his nickname unless it was his surname. He was big and fat, bigger than anybody else on either side. If you didn't take his legs he'd carry two or three with him.
I played against him on Sandford Rd. Loads of St. Peter's pupils came to watch as a lot lived in Balby.
A lad called Dave Sissons lived on Earlsmear Ave. I think. He was a year above me and knocked about with Ray Thomas and Alan Ruddick (rubber) at one time.
The Flowitts lived on King Edward Rd. I think.
I can't remember Christine but did briefly go out with Janet Scott from Weston Rd. Tony Humphries who you know from the plant and police lived on Browning Ave. we were good mates at school.
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Did you play rugby with Chico Bally?
He was a big lad, I played against him when I was at Oswin Ave. or Balby High school as it became.
I left in 1964.
Idler
Just came to me it was Eddie Chico or Chezco or some other way of spelling it. Yes but he was playing in seniors when I was in intermediates. You got him.
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That's him, looked big and daft with a smile on his face. Fred Toyne played for us and later signed for Dons but never pushed on.
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I can't remember his first name offhand, just his nickname unless it was his surname. He was big and fat, bigger than anybody else on either side. If you didn't take his legs he'd carry two or three with him.
I played against him on Sandford Rd. Loads of St. Peter's pupils came to watch as a lot lived in Balby.
A lad called Dave Sissons lived on Earlsmear Ave. I think. He was a year above me and knocked about with Ray Thomas and Alan Ruddick (rubber) at one time.
The Flowitts lived on King Edward Rd. I think.
I can't remember Christine but did briefly go out with Janet Scott from Weston Rd. Tony Humphries who you know from the plant and police lived on Browning Ave. we were good mates at school.
Dave (Dougie) his dad had The Spinney at some point. Flew was one of the Balby gang, thought I may be right, Yep we have sorted Eddie Chico out Tony was as you say at Plant, he was app leccy. Pete Lakin from Hecky was in my year, he was a mate and still is, see him most weeks. Tony was my last boss at Thorne nick before I had to retire.. SMALL WORLD. I will find Christine yet, she hung around with Jackie Bailey I remember we all (the names I have given ) used to go To Mablethorpe most weekends. HAPPY DAYS THEY WERE.
I would go out with Chris in periods of two weeks max. I chucked her when Donny lost a game, she later came boss at a clothes shop near market and then it went into frontage of Arndale, we remained friends.
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Yes Hickling used to belt you with Pencil rack. And Ackroyd was not bad. We were introduced to rugby by Mr Peterson (metalwork) When I had a stint in Doncaster P Stn, I met up with a young lass - Julie Waller from Cantley her dad was of course Tech Drawing teacher, the only one we not mentioned in that block was Mr Storr. Ahhhh Noddy and Granny bloody hell. I once walked out of school gates to twag and looked behind me and Noddy was watching. I knew I had been rumble so went to Youth Employment Office and then back to school.
Wilby Carr used to ambush us on Cross Country runs, there was a tunnel or something into our playing field they invaded us and there was a big scrap on grass. I also was in school athletics team (Shot Putt) whilst walking to the area, we were having javelins thrown in our direction oooh would not have missed those days. I still got scarf somewhere.
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That's him, looked big and daft with a smile on his face. Fred Toyne played for us and later signed for Dons but never pushed on.
Yes, Fred was there when I was training with the Dons when I was 18