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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: not on facebook on March 27, 2017, 07:24:23 pm
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Will the value of the £ have a slight or major dip ,or will it get stronger .
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I can't see it getting stronger. It might have a small dip because I think it took the major hit after the referendum result.
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It will almost certainly go down. Any change in the status quo and currency loses its value!
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The damage has already been done. Given that we now telegraph these things to minimise the potential damage an announcement will make, I wouldn't be surprised if nothing much changes. In fact, the Government needs not much to happen given that most folk are quietly worrying about the future (and that's quite natural). However, as announcements are made beyond the Government's control (I would imagine Lloyd's of London, who are set to announce what their 'European' strategy (or the 'how it's going to move to an EU country as well as have a presence in London' strategy) very soon indeed) will start to impact Sterling depending on who announces what. If nothing else, expect volatility. Which is nice.
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You can bet your life that financial companies like Lloyds that are going to restructure due to Brexit will also stitch up their tax returns a treat as well...
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Reason why I ask is that I have a box full of Norwegian kr that has been sat waiting for the right time to change upto into pounds sterling.
I was back in the U.K. Last year and exchange rate was shocking in my favour.
So I hope the pound has a slight dip after acrticle fifty is set in process.
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Can't recall where I was reading it but the other day I saw a piece about how undervalued the pound is. The market has reacted badly to Brexit over the last 9 months, but the medium to long term view was that the pound will comfortably regain it's losses.
Of course, it could all have been b*llocks.
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I wouldn't expect any change in the pound this week from the triggering of Article 50 as everyone knows it is going to happen so the financial markets will have already priced it in
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I watched Martin Lewis last week speak on this subject and the money people just do not know what is going to happen and he says if they tell you they do they are lying. Seems good enough for me.
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You can bet your life that financial companies like Lloyds that are going to restructure due to Brexit will also stitch up their tax returns a treat as well...
Absolutely agree. And more will follow, of course. Suspect they've all been politely asked to wait until Article 50 has been triggered before making any announcements... The shitshow is coming, that's for certain.
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I agree. I just hope that those that voted brexit and unfortunately their children that didn't vote get hit the hardest !
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I watched Martin Lewis last week speak on this subject and the money people just do not know what is going to happen and he says if they tell you they do they are lying. Seems good enough for me.
They know that Article 50 will be triggered on Wednesday - the chances of it not happening are infinitesimally small.
After that, who knows what will happen to exchange rates.
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I agree. I just hope that those that voted brexit and unfortunately their children that didn't vote get hit the hardest !
I totally disagree. I voted the way I did because I feared that the poorest in society would be hurt the most if we left the EU. I absolutely hope that I was wrong in my assumption...
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Nah we'll be fine. Nige said so.
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You can bet your life that financial companies like Lloyds that are going to restructure due to Brexit will also stitch up their tax returns a treat as well...
you mean the government owned ones :) and yes I know the government arent the largest shareholder in Lloyds now well until recently
and as bally1950 said
I watched Martin Lewis last week speak on this subject and the money people just do not know what is going to happen and he says if they tell you they do they are lying. Seems good enough for me.
and even you don't know Glyn even in your area of expertise ;)
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Nah we'll be fine. Nige said so.
Nige says he'll emigrate if it all turns shite because we've chosen to leave the EU. So, it's not all bad news...
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You can bet your life that financial companies like Lloyds that are going to restructure due to Brexit will also stitch up their tax returns a treat as well...
you mean the government owned ones :) and yes I know the government arent the largest shareholder in Lloyds now well until recently
and as bally1950 said
I watched Martin Lewis last week speak on this subject and the money people just do not know what is going to happen and he says if they tell you they do they are lying. Seems good enough for me.
and even you don't know Glyn even in your area of expertise ;)
I wasn't thinking about government-owend companies, more the multinational global companies who think nothing of shuffling their businesses around various territories to whatever advantages they can squeeze out of it.
As far as I can tell Martin Lewis was talking about exchange rates, I'm not.
I know big financial institutions can afford to pay loads of money to shit-hot tax avoidance experts. And they will.
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You can bet your life that financial companies like Lloyds that are going to restructure due to Brexit will also stitch up their tax returns a treat as well...
you mean the government owned ones :) and yes I know the government arent the largest shareholder in Lloyds now well until recently
and as bally1950 said
I watched Martin Lewis last week speak on this subject and the money people just do not know what is going to happen and he says if they tell you they do they are lying. Seems good enough for me.
and even you don't know Glyn even in your area of expertise ;)
I presume that Glyn was talking about Lloyd's (the insurance market which is "owned" by its underwriting members), rather than Lloyds (the bank which is owned by its shareholders including the UK gvnt)
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So after going throu this thread ,I have X X X X amount of Norwegian kr that I have had for a just over a year now waiting to exchange to
£ £ £ .
Iam thinking about doing it a week after article has kicked in.would I be silly in doing so
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You can bet your life that financial companies like Lloyds that are going to restructure due to Brexit will also stitch up their tax returns a treat as well...
you mean the government owned ones :) and yes I know the government arent the largest shareholder in Lloyds now well until recently
and as bally1950 said
I watched Martin Lewis last week speak on this subject and the money people just do not know what is going to happen and he says if they tell you they do they are lying. Seems good enough for me.
and even you don't know Glyn even in your area of expertise ;)
I presume that Glyn was talking about Lloyd's (the insurance market which is "owned" by its underwriting members), rather than Lloyds (the bank which is owned by its shareholders including the UK gvnt)
Banks can quite easily move various operating parts of their companies abroad whilst still leaving a high street presence here.
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So after going throu this thread ,I have X X X X amount of Norwegian kr that I have had for a just over a year now waiting to exchange to
£ £ £ .
Iam thinking about doing it a week after article has kicked in.would I be silly in doing so
If you think the pound will do worse against the Euro than the Kr it might be worth converting to those first.
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That's food for thought that mr Glynn .thanks a lot.
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So after going throu this thread ,I have X X X X amount of Norwegian kr that I have had for a just over a year now waiting to exchange to
£ £ £ .
Iam thinking about doing it a week after article has kicked in.would I be silly in doing so
Deutsche Bank says that pound could fall as a low as $1.06 against the dollar by the end of this year, or another 15 per cent.
I still didn't bought £ because I think I can buy cheaper than is it today.
My opinion is that you should exchange it.
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Pound is only going south this year/the next, there can't be a better trade situation in 2019 than we have today. Will take more than 2 years to get deals in place with EU and non-EU (China, India, Australia etc.)
As a side point what are we going to sell to China?
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https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exporting-to-china#industries-importing-into-china
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I agree. I just hope that those that voted brexit and unfortunately their children that didn't vote get hit the hardest !
I totally disagree. I voted the way I did because I feared that the poorest in society would be hurt the most if we left the EU. I absolutely hope that I was wrong in my assumption...
Sadly, I think you, I and others who thought that way, will be right. Certainly in the short to medium term - if not longer.
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https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exporting-to-china#industries-importing-into-china
Fair enough, we will be much better without EU. China cant get enough of British electrical machinery...British cars....
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Well done for avoiding the British slags opportunity.
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Well, at least we'll still have our sense of humour. Maybe we can export that...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7XTFnVXQAIA-07.jpg)
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https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exporting-to-china#industries-importing-into-china
Fair enough, we will be much better without EU. China cant get enough of British electrical machinery...British cars....
Why will we be better without the EU? Leaving the EU doesn't change anything regarding exporting to China.
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https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exporting-to-china#industries-importing-into-china
Fair enough, we will be much better without EU. China cant get enough of British electrical machinery...British cars....
Why will we be better without the EU? Leaving the EU doesn't change anything regarding exporting to China.
Sarcasm doesn't come across well on text.
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https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exporting-to-china#industries-importing-into-china
I wasn't being sarcastic.
Fair enough, we will be much better without EU. China cant get enough of British electrical machinery...British cars....
Why will we be better without the EU? Leaving the EU doesn't change anything regarding exporting to China.
Sarcasm doesn't come across well on text.
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No, but One_Matty_Lucas was
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Thanks Dr F.
Glyn,
Personally can't see it working for us, but then again I have lived in Switzerland for 5 years and moving to France next month so I probably have a biased view on the whole thing. But its a lose-lose situation for me, either things work well and Leavers get power to push even further nationalist policies or things don't work well and the country is down the shitter.
Need to trigger my "Article 50" and get married to the missus so I can get the French passport ;)
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And there we go. Lloyd's of London breaks with 329-year-old tradition by setting up shop on the continent. Not a big thing, really. It's just drip, drip, drip... A few jobs here, a few jobs there... London, economy, that sort of thing.
http://www.cityam.com/262005/lloyds-london-chooses-brussels-its-eu-base-saying-met (http://www.cityam.com/262005/lloyds-london-chooses-brussels-its-eu-base-saying-met)
Funny how the world's biggest website treats the story somewhat differently. A really hard story to find on its website, and, weirdly enough, treated somewhat dourly - and they're not letting anyone comment on it. Weird, eh? It's almost as though they're trying to shut down discussion on anything bad about Brexit...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-4363630/Lloyds-London-chooses-Brussels-EU-base-strong-regulation.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-4363630/Lloyds-London-chooses-Brussels-EU-base-strong-regulation.html)
Oh, and news just in...
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/30/jp-morgan-dublin-office-building-1000-jobs-city-london (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/30/jp-morgan-dublin-office-building-1000-jobs-city-london)
Drip, drip, drip...
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And for each 1,000 jobs like this another 3,000 jobs will also disappear.
But hey, they're not proper jobs are they?
And theres lots of new jobs to be had in warehouses and picking strawberries when the Eastern Europeans take the hint.
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All Lloyds are actually doing is opening a satellite office and in their words the number of employees will be in the "tens" oh and that article doesn't mention anything about any job loss's in London because of it
Lloyd’s chief executive Inga Beale said the number of employees in Brussels would be "in the tens", and said while EU business accounts for 11 per cent of all the business Lloyd's writes, around half of that will still be carried out from the UK.
and tbf I can't be bothered to look at the other links too much misinformation from everywhere ;)
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Where did I say it was a big thing? Oh yes, I said it wasn't in my third sentence... I suppose, though, that the story about thinking about JP Morgan shifting 1000 jobs to Dublin isn't big, either?
24 hours after Article 50, with banks and financial services scaling back some of their proposed developments in the UK and/or saying they are going to open up operations elsewhere. Whether you like bankers or not (I'm not a fan), a few snips here and there make a big difference to the coffers the government has to play with (apparently it's around £82.3bn a year). And there are the associated jobs, too.
Think about it.
And don't just take my word for it (and why would you?) - how about this from 10 days ago: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/03/20/the-biggest-threat-to-the-city-of-london-is-now-uncertainty/ (http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/03/20/the-biggest-threat-to-the-city-of-london-is-now-uncertainty/)
A modest 0.5 drop in GDP because of London would gobble up our current contribution to the EU, I believe... But hey, it's all looking rosy.
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All Lloyds are actually doing is opening a satellite office and in their words the number of employees will be in the "tens" oh and that article doesn't mention anything about any job loss's in London because of it
Lloyd’s chief executive Inga Beale said the number of employees in Brussels would be "in the tens", and said while EU business accounts for 11 per cent of all the business Lloyd's writes, around half of that will still be carried out from the UK.
and tbf I can't be bothered to look at the other links too much misinformation from everywhere ;)
No job losses in London? Do you really think they'd be opening up their EU branches elsewhere than London if we weren't leaving?
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All Lloyds are actually doing is opening a satellite office and in their words the number of employees will be in the "tens" oh and that article doesn't mention anything about any job loss's in London because of it
Lloyd’s chief executive Inga Beale said the number of employees in Brussels would be "in the tens", and said while EU business accounts for 11 per cent of all the business Lloyd's writes, around half of that will still be carried out from the UK.
and tbf I can't be bothered to look at the other links too much misinformation from everywhere ;)
No job losses in London? Do you really think they'd be opening up their EU branches elsewhere than London if we weren't leaving?
Nowhere in that article mentions job losses in London with regards to Lloyds thats all I said :) so you presume that because they are opening an office in Brussels with the number of workers in the "tens" there will be job loss's in London, it doesn't say that! there may be there may not be ............................ Don't presume ;)
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Here you go, a direct quote from a website news report (from Sky News earlier today - saves you clicking on something):
"Lloyd's of London is to shift around 100 jobs to the heart of the EU to limit potential damage to the world's biggest insurance market from Brexit."
The number of jobs will depend upon the type of Brexit we get and the deal we make with the EU. Whatever the figure is, jobs are going from London. And it's just the beginning. ;)
Though we can, on balance, rejoice that Apple and McDonalds are coming to London. Apparently, they couldn't resist a property bargain and didn't much fancy the EU prying into their *cough* interesting tax affairs.
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There you go presuming again ;)
" The number of jobs will depend upon the type of Brexit we get"
Your opinion
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No, it isn't; I was sparing you the trouble of clicking links. ;)
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No, it isn't; I was sparing you the trouble of clicking links. ;)
So the paragraph under the bold bit in quotation marks is part of the quote and not just your opinion which is how it reads as it doesn't appear to be part of the quote.
So presumably the last paragraph is part of the article and not just your opinion about the EU prying into interesting tax affairs ;)
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I'll take your 100 jobs, and raise you to, 100,000 jobs
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/04/uk-jobs-merkel-juncker-euro-clearing-eu-manfred-weber-brexit
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To quote a Barnsley man, "we need Brexit to keep them Syrian refugees out!"
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Don't get sick... It's going to be fine, though a leaked Government report appears to suggest otherwise.*
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-04-06/uk-braced-for-shortage-of-up-to-42-000-nurses-after-brexit/ (http://www.itv.com/news/2017-04-06/uk-braced-for-shortage-of-up-to-42-000-nurses-after-brexit/)
*There's only 24,000 unfilled NHS vacancies at the moment, mind. ;)
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Lipsy, you seem to have real issues with people who aren't as depressed with the future of our country as you are. Is it that important to you to spread your misery?
What is your reason for forcing your depression on others?
What can us mere ordinary people do, who can't, unlike you, predict the future to stop getting so f**king downhearted?
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BB - I just shared a link, fella. Nothing more... A link to some news. By all means, give us some good news...
My mental state is fine - thanks for your concern. Bless you.
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Lipsy, you seem to have real issues with people who aren't as depressed with the future of our country as you are. Is it that important to you to spread your misery?
What is your reason for forcing your depression on others?
What can us mere ordinary people do, who can't, unlike you, predict the future to stop getting so f**king downhearted?
BB if you don't like reading about the consequences of the foolishness of our people in June 2016, then I would stay away from this section.
The " original " Project Fear is going to look like a walk in the park compared to what is going to happen to post Brexit UK going forwards......yes there will be many Remoaners who will be pointing it out to you dashing Brexiteers .
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It's awful when you're forced to read something
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For the older chaps on here but what was your fealings when the U.K. signed up to join the European nations back in 1974 I think it was .
I was far too young to understand ,but I seem to recall a lot of fuss been made on local news programmes about the fishing trade.
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I voted in that time.
I voted to be part of a group of trading nations not a federal Europe as it seems to be heading now.
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Lipsy, you seem to have real issues with people who aren't as depressed with the future of our country as you are. Is it that important to you to spread your misery?
What is your reason for forcing your depression on others?
What can us mere ordinary people do, who can't, unlike you, predict the future to stop getting so f**king downhearted?
BB if you don't like reading about the consequences of the foolishness of our people in June 2016, then I would stay away from this section.
The " original " Project Fear is going to look like a walk in the park compared to what is going to happen to post Brexit UK going forwards......yes there will be many Remoaners who will be pointing it out to you dashing Brexiteers .
Perhaps a smart shyte can explain every eventuality of what would've been happening right now had Cameron/Osborne/Tories been given their second biggest electoral victory in 12 months?Then tell every dot and comma what the EU would now be demanding of Britain had we voted in favour of deeper integration.When you've done that....Some Wigley dots
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Not quite sure I fully follow you, but here goes: 1. If we didn't like what Cameron/Osborne/the Tories were doing in this alternate world scenario, we could vote to get rid of them in the next General Election. 2. How anyone could think this alternate world scenario could be worse than what we're seeing at the moment is beyond me. 3. Deeper integration with the EU... Not sure anyone has suggested we'd be pulled further into the EU had we voted to remain. Would that have been a 'Hard' Remain where we put multiple languages on road signs, join the Schengen, adopt the Euro and be made to stand up when anyone played Ode to Joy?
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I voted in that time.
I voted to be part of a group of trading nations not a federal Europe as it seems to be heading now.
I actually have some sympathy for this point of view. Though I have watched the interviews with Ted Heath from the early 70s, which seem to suggest he was pretty clear where Europe was heading and was prepared to commit to that. Similarly, Churchill knew where it was going back in the late 40s and early 50s when he played his part in setting it up and was still up for it enough when he backed our failed attempt at joining in the 60s.
How joining and remaining was sold to the people of the UK back in the in the 60s and 70s is another matter entirely, but key figures in its formation and taking us in seemed pretty clear.
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One thing is for sure the civilised debating by politicians and reporters of both sides was far better than all of the mud slinging that we saw last year.
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I agree with you. I have watched some of those speeches/debates from 1975 - let's have more of this type of thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2jUYryRYII (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2jUYryRYII)
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Lipsy, you seem to have real issues with people who aren't as depressed with the future of our country as you are. Is it that important to you to spread your misery?
What is your reason for forcing your depression on others?
What can us mere ordinary people do, who can't, unlike you, predict the future to stop getting so f**king downhearted?
BB if you don't like reading about the consequences of the foolishness of our people in June 2016, then I would stay away from this section.
The " original " Project Fear is going to look like a walk in the park compared to what is going to happen to post Brexit UK going forwards......yes there will be many Remoaners who will be pointing it out to you dashing Brexiteers .
Perhaps a smart shyte can explain every eventuality of what would've been happening right now had Cameron/Osborne/Tories been given their second biggest electoral victory in 12 months?Then tell every dot and comma what the EU would now be demanding of Britain had we voted in favour of deeper integration.When you've done that....Some Wigley dots
It wouldn't have mattered what the EU demanded, if we didn't like it we'd still have had a veto then just as we have one now...they're called ellipsis btw.
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Lipsy, you seem to have real issues with people who aren't as depressed with the future of our country as you are. Is it that important to you to spread your misery?
What is your reason for forcing your depression on others?
What can us mere ordinary people do, who can't, unlike you, predict the future to stop getting so f**king downhearted?
BB if you don't like reading about the consequences of the foolishness of our people in June 2016, then I would stay away from this section.
The " original " Project Fear is going to look like a walk in the park compared to what is going to happen to post Brexit UK going forwards......yes there will be many Remoaners who will be pointing it out to you dashing Brexiteers .
Perhaps a smart shyte can explain every eventuality of what would've been happening right now had Cameron/Osborne/Tories been given their second biggest electoral victory in 12 months?Then tell every dot and comma what the EU would now be demanding of Britain had we voted in favour of deeper integration.When you've done that....Some Wigley dots
we'd still have had a veto then just as we have one now
Oh and Euro fanatics in Downing St,Strasbourg and everywhere rampant,veto what? Like joining the ERM in 1990?Did any Euro fanatics veto that,suppose you were in favour at the time?Mind you, you seem to have as much faith in Cameron as the late BST( Billy's Sanctimonius Twaddle)R.I.P,did 12 months ago
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Do you ever actually add anything to the discussion or do you just hurl abuse at anyone who disagrees with your opinion?
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I think you're being a little unfair there, RedJ. I think that Yargo is writing poetry that higher beings in a thousand years will read, understand and translate into songs. Until then, we can but stab at the meaning behind his words. I'm guessing he thinks that the ERM was a bad thing and that somehow that shows that the EU is bad. Utter b*llocks, of course.
I do agree that the name-calling - especially aimed at former forum posters - is weak.
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Lipsy, you seem to have real issues with people who aren't as depressed with the future of our country as you are. Is it that important to you to spread your misery?
What is your reason for forcing your depression on others?
What can us mere ordinary people do, who can't, unlike you, predict the future to stop getting so f**king downhearted?
BB if you don't like reading about the consequences of the foolishness of our people in June 2016, then I would stay away from this section.
The " original " Project Fear is going to look like a walk in the park compared to what is going to happen to post Brexit UK going forwards......yes there will be many Remoaners who will be pointing it out to you dashing Brexiteers .
Perhaps a smart shyte can explain every eventuality of what would've been happening right now had Cameron/Osborne/Tories been given their second biggest electoral victory in 12 months?Then tell every dot and comma what the EU would now be demanding of Britain had we voted in favour of deeper integration.When you've done that....Some Wigley dots
we'd still have had a veto then just as we have one now
Oh and Euro fanatics in Downing St,Strasbourg and everywhere rampant,veto what? Like joining the ERM in 1990?Did any Euro fanatics veto that,suppose you were in favour at the time?Mind you, you seem to have as much faith in Cameron as the late BST( Billy's Sanctimonius Twaddle)R.I.P,did 12 months ago
You have the debating skills,and I.Q of a steaming turd.
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A little understanding from the EU and Joncers and we wouldn't be having this debate.
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Lipsy, you seem to have real issues with people who aren't as depressed with the future of our country as you are. Is it that important to you to spread your misery?
What is your reason for forcing your depression on others?
What can us mere ordinary people do, who can't, unlike you, predict the future to stop getting so f**king downhearted?
BB if you don't like reading about the consequences of the foolishness of our people in June 2016, then I would stay away from this section.
The " original " Project Fear is going to look like a walk in the park compared to what is going to happen to post Brexit UK going forwards......yes there will be many Remoaners who will be pointing it out to you dashing Brexiteers .
Perhaps a smart shyte can explain every eventuality of what would've been happening right now had Cameron/Osborne/Tories been given their second biggest electoral victory in 12 months?Then tell every dot and comma what the EU would now be demanding of Britain had we voted in favour of deeper integration.When you've done that....Some Wigley dots
It wouldn't have mattered what the EU demanded, if we didn't like it we'd still have had a veto then just as we have one now...they're called ellipsis btw.
Glyn when people voted in the 70s it was not the EU it was the EEC a totally different beast, a trading agreement end of, but you so expertly tell us all about Eu trade and borders etc because you know whats going to happen and nobody else does :) in the 70's when people voted it had jack all to do with what the EU is now, yes 16 million voted to remain but 18 million voted to leave in a bog standard majority wins vote age is irrelevent ( approximate figures) so chill yersen out and start planning, thats 2 million and it doesn't matter whether you turn that 2 million into hex, decimal, metric, Imperial, Whitworth, BSF, its a 2 million bog standard majority chill yersen :)
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Is that 2 million a bit like the £350 million?
17.4m - 16.1m = 1.3m :-)
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As stated approximate figures 😉 and it's still a bog standard majority
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Was the non EEC voters in uproar after votes were counted or did they just take it on the chin and get on with the new dawn,unlike some of today's fruit cakes
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People just carried on in the main.
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Was the non EEC voters in uproar after votes were counted or did they just take it on the chin and get on with the new dawn,unlike some of today's fruit cakes
There were no internet platforms for people to cry on, so those that were against the majority decision then were largly unheard
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Was the non EEC voters in uproar after votes were counted or did they just take it on the chin and get on with the new dawn,unlike some of today's fruit cakes
Bit different when the vote is based on a massive f**king lie plastered on the side of a bus.
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Was the non EEC voters in uproar after votes were counted or did they just take it on the chin and get on with the new dawn,unlike some of today's fruit cakes
Bit different when the vote is based on a massive f**king lie plastered on the side of a bus.
So everybody voted leave because what was plastered over the side of that bus............... erm I don't think so
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Quite right, Dags. A lot of people voted Leave because they've been radicalised by the newspaper they read.
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Was the non EEC voters in uproar after votes were counted or did they just take it on the chin and get on with the new dawn,unlike some of today's fruit cakes
Bit different when the vote is based on a massive f**king lie plastered on the side of a bus.
So everybody voted leave because what was plastered over the side of that bus............... erm I don't think so
Didn't say everybody. But I'd wager enough to tip the balance fell for that lie, among others.
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And let's not forget those people who, having stoically taken the result of the referendum in 1975 on the chin, quietly continued to hate foreigners for 40 years. :lol:
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Still, at least now we're leaving the EU we can stop them Arabs and Asians coming in. :silly:
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Yes, my old mum told my wife last weekend that she voted to leave the EU because there was a man claiming unemployment benefits over here whilst he was actually living in Thailand... and to stop 'pakis' coming over here.
Her husband voted Leave because of WWII and the fact that he doesn't like hearing people talking in different languages when he's queuing up in the supermarket. Didn't stop him going over to the Middle East the year before to earn a shed-load of tax-free cash...
Thank the f**king Lord for the older, wiser generation looking out for us... :laugh:
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Yes, my old mum told my wife last weekend that she voted to leave the EU because there was a man claiming unemployment benefits over here whilst he was actually living in Thailand... and to stop 'pakis' coming over here.
Her husband voted Leave because of WWII and the fact that he doesn't like hearing people talking in different languages when he's queuing up in the supermarket. Didn't stop him going over to the Middle East the year before to earn a shed-load of tax-free cash...
Thank the f**king Lord for the older, wiser generation looking out for us... :laugh:
and thank f**k for the younger generation that know absolutely everything about everything ;)
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Very nice of you to say so, Dags. I knew you'd come 'round eventually. ;)
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Was the non EEC voters in uproar after votes were counted or did they just take it on the chin and get on with the new dawn,unlike some of today's fruit cakes
They didn't shut up, if that's what you mean. They carried on campaigning to leave. They even went and formed a political party all about that one issue.
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Nobody even mentioned coming out of the E.E.C. after the 1975 referendum. They just got on with making the best of it...
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Was the non EEC voters in uproar after votes were counted or did they just take it on the chin and get on with the new dawn,unlike some of today's fruit cakes
They didn't shut up, if that's what you mean. They carried on campaigning to leave. They even went and formed a political party all about that one issue.
Would that be UKIP?
Formed almost 20 years after the referendum to join the EEC and after the formation of the EU?
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And Labour's 1983 election pledge in its manifesto was to take us out. By my reckoning, there's been a major political party or force trying to get us out virtually every single year we've been in Europe (so to speak)... Not sure that counts as just quietly getting on with it. Arguably, it's quite the opposite...
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Was the non EEC voters in uproar after votes were counted or did they just take it on the chin and get on with the new dawn,unlike some of today's fruit cakes
They didn't shut up, if that's what you mean. They carried on campaigning to leave. They even went and formed a political party all about that one issue.
Would that be UKIP?
Formed almost 20 years after the referendum to join the EEC and after the formation of the EU?
Yes, but then I never said it was formed immediately. There was still plenty of eurosceptic campaigning - because people disagreed with the result of the referendum - between 1975 and the founding of UKIP. The eurosceptics certainly didn't 'get over it'.
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Yes, my old mum told my wife last weekend that she voted to leave the EU because there was a man claiming unemployment benefits over here whilst he was actually living in Thailand... and to stop 'pakis' coming over here.
Her husband voted Leave because of WWII and the fact that he doesn't like hearing people talking in different languages when he's queuing up in the supermarket. Didn't stop him going over to the Middle East the year before to earn a shed-load of tax-free cash...
Thank the f**king Lord for the older, wiser generation looking out for us... :laugh:
and thank f**k for the younger generation that know absolutely everything about everything ;)
Thank f**k for our youngsters who look to the future and don't have the baggage of those supposedly halcyon days of 50s and Empire hanging around there necks like a millstone dragging them both backwards and downwards at the same time .
Still we get to have our kicks from threatening our NATO mates off the coast of Spain, mix horns with the loonies in charge of both the USA, Turkey and Saud not to mention the crooks in Qatar.
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Was the non EEC voters in uproar after votes were counted or did they just take it on the chin and get on with the new dawn,unlike some of today's fruit cakes
They didn't shut up, if that's what you mean. They carried on campaigning to leave. They even went and formed a political party all about that one issue.
Would that be UKIP?
Formed almost 20 years after the referendum to join the EEC and after the formation of the EU?
Yes, but then I never said it was formed immediately. There was still plenty of eurosceptic campaigning - because people disagreed with the result of the referendum - between 1975 and the founding of UKIP. The eurosceptics certainly didn't 'get over it'.
No, you never said it was formed immedietly, you also never said it was formed almost 20 years afrer the referendum when the EEC had turned into a different beast, the EU
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Was the non EEC voters in uproar after votes were counted or did they just take it on the chin and get on with the new dawn,unlike some of today's fruit cakes
They didn't shut up, if that's what you mean. They carried on campaigning to leave. They even went and formed a political party all about that one issue.
Would that be UKIP?
Formed almost 20 years after the referendum to join the EEC and after the formation of the EU?
Yes, but then I never said it was formed immediately. There was still plenty of eurosceptic campaigning - because people disagreed with the result of the referendum - between 1975 and the founding of UKIP. The eurosceptics certainly didn't 'get over it'.
No, you never said it was formed immedietly, you also never said it was formed almost 20 years afrer the referendum when the EEC had turned into a different beast, the EU
Ahh, that will be 'taking it on the chin' then. 20 years of listening to people like Powell, Thatcher, Redwood, Portillo, you will enjoy that party.
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All Glynn did was provide you with a brief history of euroscepticism whilst we have been in the E.E.C and the EU.
I appreciate that you're heavy on opinion and light on facts, but you're just plain wrong here. The bitching, carping, moaning and undermining of our participation in Europe has been constant (from politicians and press alike). There was no 'quietly getting on with it' - which I appreciate was just a dig at Remain voters. Heck, I believe Farage voted for the Green Party in 1989 because of their anti-Europe stance...
So (deep breath) that's the Labour Party as whole until 84 (though some prominent figures in the party continued to moan), the Greens, vocal Tories throughout, the Anti-Federalist League that then morphed into UKIP, and the radicalising right wing press throughout we're all at it - all pandering to a population that continued to moan and hate our partipation in Europe.
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Seems as thou no what ever side of the fence you are on this thread is all about chaps trying to take points off from each other with a them Vs us or us vs them play out.
I doubt anyone will change their mind due to whatever information is cut & paste and brought to the table.
I will get shot down for this but I have a good chuckle to me sen seeing on how hard some will try to get their view across.
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All Glynn did was provide you with a brief history of euroscepticism whilst we have been in the E.E.C and the EU.
I appreciate that you're heavy on opinion and light on facts, but you're just plain wrong here. The bitching, carping, moaning and undermining of our participation in Europe has been constant (from politicians and press alike). There was no 'quietly getting on with it' - which I appreciate was just a dig at Remain voters. Heck, I believe Farage voted for the Green Party in 1989 because of their anti-Europe stance...
So (deep breath) that's the Labour Party as whole until 84 (though some prominent figures in the party continued to moan), the Greens, vocal Tories throughout, the Anti-Federalist League that then morphed into UKIP, and the radicalising right wing press throughout we're all it - all pandering to a population that continued to moan and hate our partipation in Europe.
In that brief history, Glynn implied that UKIP was formed on the back of the first referendum, it clearly was n't as it took almost 20 years for UKIP to appear, Glynn convenienlty chose to omit that fact from his brief history
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A very good return of serve there filo filo fella.
I will pull up a armchair and scoff me pop corn.
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Filo, Glynn did nothing of the sort. You want to read into it that he did so that you can say the resistance to Europe was all about the fact that it become the EU. Which, in turn, panders to your view that we signed up to the Common Market and not some kind of United States of Europe... Because that's the point you're gagging to make regarding UKIP.
I've shown you that the resistance to it was constant, but your radicalised brain won't accept it, so you keep repeating the same point over and over again - even when presented with information and facts that show that you're wrong. It's called cognitive dissonance.
Have a lovely Sunday.
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All Glynn did was provide you with a brief history of euroscepticism whilst we have been in the E.E.C and the EU.
I appreciate that you're heavy on opinion and light on facts, but you're just plain wrong here. The bitching, carping, moaning and undermining of our participation in Europe has been constant (from politicians and press alike). There was no 'quietly getting on with it' - which I appreciate was just a dig at Remain voters. Heck, I believe Farage voted for the Green Party in 1989 because of their anti-Europe stance...
So (deep breath) that's the Labour Party as whole until 84 (though some prominent figures in the party continued to moan), the Greens, vocal Tories throughout, the Anti-Federalist League that then morphed into UKIP, and the radicalising right wing press throughout we're all it - all pandering to a population that continued to moan and hate our partipation in Europe.
In that brief history, Glynn implied that UKIP was formed on the back of the first referendum, it clearly was n't as it took almost 20 years for UKIP to appear, Glynn convenienlty chose to omit that fact from his brief history
No I didn't imply anything. It was a bald statement that an anti-Europe political party was formed after the 1975 referendum, which is true and why I sad it. You made the implication in your own head because you wanted to quibble about a timescale that is irrelevant to what I originally said.
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All Glynn did was provide you with a brief history of euroscepticism whilst we have been in the E.E.C and the EU.
I appreciate that you're heavy on opinion and light on facts, but you're just plain wrong here. The bitching, carping, moaning and undermining of our participation in Europe has been constant (from politicians and press alike). There was no 'quietly getting on with it' - which I appreciate was just a dig at Remain voters. Heck, I believe Farage voted for the Green Party in 1989 because of their anti-Europe stance...
So (deep breath) that's the Labour Party as whole until 84 (though some prominent figures in the party continued to moan), the Greens, vocal Tories throughout, the Anti-Federalist League that then morphed into UKIP, and the radicalising right wing press throughout we're all it - all pandering to a population that continued to moan and hate our partipation in Europe.
In that brief history, Glynn implied that UKIP was formed on the back of the first referendum, it clearly was n't as it took almost 20 years for UKIP to appear, Glynn convenienlty chose to omit that fact from his brief history
No I didn't imply anything. It was a bald statement that an anti-Europe political party was formed after the 1975 referendum, which is true and why I sad it. You made the implication in your own head because you wanted to quibble about a timescale that is irrelevant to what I originally said.
Bullshit
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Certain papers moaned. Certain senior Tories moaned and sometimes the man in the street moaned.
Generally most members of the public just got on with it.
Views seemed more polarised from the mid to late 90s onwards in my opinion for what it's worth.
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Certain papers moaned. Certain senior Tories moaned and sometimes the man in the street moaned.
Generally most members of the public just got on with it.
Views seemed more polarised from the mid to late 90s onwards in my opinion for what it's worth.
When things changed/were changing exactly idler, but that doesn't suit some who's views think that everybody who voted leave is a muppet and believed bullshite and the remainers were never fed bullshite and everything that was said on the remain side was so whiter than white ;)
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See, nobody on here has said what you've just said they said...
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Certain papers moaned. Certain senior Tories moaned and sometimes the man in the street moaned.
Generally most members of the public just got on with it.
Views seemed more polarised from the mid to late 90s onwards in my opinion for what it's worth.
When things changed/were changing exactly idler, but that doesn't suit some who's views think that everybody who voted leave is a muppet and believed bullshite and the remainers were never fed bullshite and everything that was said on the remain side was so whiter than white ;)
And thats the problem on this thread, too many pople that think they know it all, and prepared to belittle anyone else that does n't hold the same views
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Certain papers moaned. Certain senior Tories moaned and sometimes the man in the street moaned.
Generally most members of the public just got on with it.
Views seemed more polarised from the mid to late 90s onwards in my opinion for what it's worth.
When things changed/were changing exactly idler, but that doesn't suit some who's views think that everybody who voted leave is a muppet and believed bullshite and the remainers were never fed bullshite and everything that was said on the remain side was so whiter than white ;)
And thats the problem on this thread, too many pople that think they know it all, and prepared to belittle anyone else that does n't hold the same views
Bullshit
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Certain papers moaned. Certain senior Tories moaned and sometimes the man in the street moaned.
Generally most members of the public just got on with it.
Views seemed more polarised from the mid to late 90s onwards in my opinion for what it's worth.
When things changed/were changing exactly idler, but that doesn't suit some who's views think that everybody who voted leave is a muppet and believed bullshite and the remainers were never fed bullshite and everything that was said on the remain side was so whiter than white ;)
And thats the problem on this thread, too many pople that think they know it all, and prepared to belittle anyone else that does n't hold the same views
It's not belittling, it's posting facts and asking the other side of the argument to do the same. The thrust of this argument is that there have ALWAYS been prominent Eurosceptics who aren't "getting on with it" since we've been a part of the EU, you've been presented with the facts to back this up and chose to deflect and try to shift the argument to some minor quibble about UKIP's timeline, rather than actually back up what you're saying. Being called out on that isn't belittling your views, and it's a sad sign of the times that in the post-fact era just expecting people to back up their opinions with facts and evidence is seen as "belittling".
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I still believe many people voted to leave in response to the patronising and condescending attitudes of the remainers.
I for one was almost swayed by their arrogance to such an extent that I nearly changed my vote to one of leave, and since the result, their ''we know best' attitude, followed by the 'brexiters are fools' jibes simply makes me not want to be on their side.
I don't even want to discuss it with them anymore, and the rest of you should follow suit and just let them get on with their love in unopposed.
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Not sure voters' choice was about being on anybody's side BB, people voted based on what were their own particular concerns. I do find it strange that whilst you voted remain, your contributions to the many debates on here since place you firmly in the Brexit corner.
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If I came across like that Iatealthepies it's because I can't abide the doom and gloom cocksureness of those people who claim to know more than anybody else in the world about the consequences of brexit, when in truth it's all conjecture.
Why on earth these exceptional scholars want to deploy their expert prophecies on what isn't even the main page of a lower league football forum is beyond me - unless it's just an easy outlet to bully other, mere ordinary mortals on it.
I voted to remain because I was concerned about my pension. From a selfish point of view, I'm glad I lost, because two of my pensions have increased, one by 20% and another by 13%.
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What the referendum aftermath told me was that for a country who's adopted mantra is
"Keep Calm & Carry On"
We're not actually very good at keeping calm and carrying on. In fact we can chuck our toys out the pram with an arrogance, petulance and downright childishness as good as any of our European friends.
Neither side came out of it very well.
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I voted in that time.
I voted to be part of a group of trading nations not a federal Europe as it seems to be heading now.
I actually have some sympathy for this point of view. Though I have watched the interviews with Ted Heath from the early 70s, which seem to suggest he was pretty clear where Europe was heading and was prepared to commit to that. Similarly, Churchill knew where it was going back in the late 40s and early 50s when he played his part in setting it up and was still up for it enough when he backed our failed attempt at joining in the 60s.
How joining and remaining was sold to the people of the UK back in the in the 60s and 70s is another matter entirely, but key figures in its formation and taking us in seemed pretty clear.
Funny, that's not how I remember the 1975 Referendum at all. I wasn't old enough to vote but I did take an interest and I would have voted to stay in.
The in campaign was based around the EEC being a trading bloc. There was no talk of political union. In fact it was the out campaigners- people like Tony Benn, Enoch Powell and Michael Foot- who raised the spectre of political union and the loss of sovereignty.
In fact, if you look at the out campaign's literature from 1975 an awful amount of what they predicted has come to pass.