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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Nudga on April 08, 2017, 05:07:54 pm
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What's going off?
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Probably the Mansfield fans who've just trashed the away end. Smashing advertise boards in front of the police who just stood there.
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I imagine if that had happened at Mansfield, Notts finest would have waded in...
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police caused the shot outside by letting Mansfield idiots go where they wanted, South Yorkshire police are shit, if that was us away we'd have been shepherd away from the ground on mass
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Looked like the bother inside kicked off between themselves, then they turned on the Stewards, one steward got ambushed behind the goal when a scab jumped over the wall and pounced on him
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The away fans made their way round to the outside of the east stand and it all kicked off on the large grassed area near the mounds. That's were all the stewards and police ran to.
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With the lap of honour taking so long, it gave plenty of time for it to settle down before the Rovers fans left.
COYR
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With the lap of honour taking so long, it gave plenty of time for it to settle down before the Rovers fans left.
COYR
but even after the lap of honour the police were still trying to send Rovers fans up the alley because the Mansfield idiots were the other way ermm my cars down there, and even if I could manage to walk all the way round as you suggest I'll walk head on into them coming back round to get to my car :blink: daft thing is if I was on the other side of the road we wouldn't have been stopped
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police caused the shot outside by letting Mansfield idiots go where they wanted, South Yorkshire police are shit, if that was us away we'd have been shepherd away from the ground on mass
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So clever lad. What do you know about public order policing??
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Simple because instead of keeping Mansfields known hooligans together they let them leave and go wherever they wanted which resulted in major trouble outside the East stand. It's not rocket science, It's been done to Rovers fans plenty of times over the years. Take Grimsby last week for instance, not 1 bit of trouble due to the police being in control. The trouble lasted well over 10 minutes without any police presence yet their behaviour inside the ground pointed to trouble outside yet they were to slow to react.
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If I remember correctly there were many complaining about Police behaviour last week at Grimsby. It is also easier to gather video evidence when people are spread out rather in a group. I picked out right from the edge of Donny's penalty area the lad off the Bank, running with a red flare lit in his right hand, dark jeand and dark grey hoodie that was well over his face, not only did he make it to the far end, he then actually then threw it at their fans. So, if I saw him I am sure a Police Camera crew did and he might as well walk into College Rd now, because they will be going for him
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The police I and many others encounter at Grimsby were polite and smiling away with Rovers fans outside the pub and on the way down to the ground. Not 1 bad word for them last week only high praise. Even the last few minutes of the game at Grimsby when all stewards were told to stand up the police stayed sat down on the pitch so not to block the view of the game.
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Police at Grimsby were ok apart from needlessly grabbing my wife and trying to make her go to the train station although we were staying over in Cleethorpes, absolutely clueless and they caused a situation
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Looked like the bother inside kicked off between themselves, then they turned on the Stewards, one steward got ambushed behind the goal when a scab jumped over the wall and pounced on him
You're better than that Filo. Grow up man FFS!!!
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We were in the lounge today sat right next to the window.
To be fair it started with Donny junior fans goading a bunch of Mansfield fans getting on a mini bus. The Mansfield fans retaliated but it was hand bags really, then some more Mansfield fans turned up and it all kicked off.
Great credit to Donny stewards and security who tried to keep them apart and then protected lads that got knocked to the ground from a further serious kicking. At one stage there was one yellow vested steward trying to keep 20 lads apart on the path below the hill. Personally I would have let them get on with and not put myself in harms way, none of them were innocent - but it wasn't nice for families walking away from the stadium nearby. 5 minutes later the keystone cops appeared, and that's exactly what they looked like.
All in all just something you don't want to see at football - please stay away you muppets :aok:
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I don't know why there wasn't a large police presence. Anytime we go to Mansfield it's crawling with them. Lame.
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I don't know why there wasn't a large police presence. Anytime we go to Mansfield it's crawling with them. Lame.
Maybe because we don't want to pay for a large police presence??
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I don't know why there wasn't a large police presence. Anytime we go to Mansfield it's crawling with them. Lame.
Maybe because we don't want to pay for a large police presence??
Its not our choice. The Police generally tell us what match category the game falls under and therefore the policing levels.
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Shame on the Mansfield fans who actually started fighting amongst themselves - complete idiots.
Then a couple of these morons decided to attack a steward who was on his own behind the goal.
I was amazed how long it took for other stewards/police to come to his aid.
Add to this the low-life Rovers fan who thought it a good idea to throw a flare into the Mansfield fans during the pitch invasion.
And all this in front of my 11-year-old daughter, 'enjoying' her first experience of seeing Rovers win promotion.
She doesn't understand it. Nor do I.
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Let's be honest how much did she see of them fighting with each other? And yes was stupid throwing a smoke bomb but all ended ok
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Anyone remember the Mansfield away game back in the day where they put all the bus windows through?
Seems to be a regular occurrence, whenever we play Mansfield expect abit of trouble.
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Saw big Mansfield fan giving it the 'big I am' and one punch from rovers lad knocked him cold, problem was that little scrote rovers fan kicked him in the head whilst he was out ,very cowardly IMO, but collerered by plod very soon after so should be sorted. Gladly he was being looked after by some stewards and ambulance guys. Hardly any security around but the stewards I saw came running out and were looking for some 'aggro', not very 21st century and quite embarrassing!!
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If I were that steward that got attacked behind the goal, totally unprovoked I'd be looking for some aggro and retribution. I must say the Police responce to it all was very slow, those stewards get minimum wage, they don't get paid enough to take shit from d**kheads
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If people want to scrap do it away from the stadium and let those who actually come for the football watch it. The police have to deal with far too much crap these days nine stone wet through little pretend thugs stoned out of their heads with the 'let me at him' attitude when if you did let them at people they would shrivel up. Why is it rugby fans on the whole can sit together and football fans can't?-i'm talking in general not about today's game.
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Usual garbage on their forum. Out sung us, couldn't even hear us when we scored blah blah blah. I was sat in the west stand and heard their lot once throughout the game I think.
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Usual garbage on their forum. Out sung us, couldn't even hear us when we scored blah blah blah. I was sat in the west stand and heard their lot once throughout the game I think.
Apart from a brief chorus of "yellows" never heard em all day, when we scored the KM erupted
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The away fans can't hear the black bank part of ground and it seems rovers fans can't hear the away fans ,got to be down to structure of KMS as I can't see or hear black bank been mute after sitting in south stand during Cambridge and crawley home games.
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Was in the East stand next to the away end, Mansfield were loud and sung for most of the game,yet I couldn't hear the black bank even tho I know they were singing. The acoustics in the ground are shite
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There you go case closed it's the KMS build that has a knock on effect.
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There must be some solution to the acoustics!? Otherwise every new ground in the country would be the same!
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A bloke I was speaking to last night said it was 2 groups of men shouting and threatening each other in front of Mums, Dads & kids coming out of the East Stand. How can anyone be proud of themselves doing that?
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Good point fella but my guess is when the KMS was built the acoustics
was never brought to the drawing board with the sounds of it.
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There must be some solution to the acoustics!? Otherwise every new ground in the country would be the same!
I was thinking the same, I wonder if recruiting an acoustics expert to advise would help
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Think it's gone passed that filo as the ground has been built .
I know expert on the matter at all ,but I do know that sound will bounce off whatever and be heard over there say .
It's the whatever part that fails me
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Was in the East stand next to the away end, Mansfield were loud and sung for most of the game,yet I couldn't hear the black bank even tho I know they were singing. The acoustics in the ground are shite
They're not. We are just not very loud most of the time. Most people that sing even do it quietly.
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The acoustics seemed fine when we played Southend in the play-off semi - guess it must have deteriorated since then.
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Dunno if it's me having sensitive ears or not but from we were in the East Stand at the halfway line the atmosphere in the black bank seemed great! As loud as I've heard it in a long time! Thought Mansfield support was poor though. Apart from the 'Yellow' song I could hardly hear them.
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Christopher Wren, he's your man for the acoustics.
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I normally sit in South stand so I know how loud it can be at times but yesterday hardly heard them from where I was sat apart from 5 mins in the second half, the Southend game the east/ West stands were even singing., that's why it was loud. Your not going to get family's with young kids and corperate suits singing their heads off
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Christopher Wren, he's your man for the acoustics.
sshhhhhhh - just whisper it !
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Good point fella but my guess is when the KMS was built the acoustics
was never brought to the drawing board with the sounds of it.
We got a tour of the ground under construction, and I asked the architect if acoustics had been considered. he said not, that was an expense reserved for far bigger stadia
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I was informed today by the stewards that the Mansfield fans came out early went to the east stand and waited for the Rovers fans to come out then they attacked our young kids till the older ones came out and sorted them out after a battle, with not a copper in sight, some of them even tried to get in to the east stand reception
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We got a tour of the ground under construction, and I asked the architect if acoustics had been considered. he said not, that was an expense reserved for far bigger stadia
That's shockingly poor if so. Acoustics was rained as an issue in the planning of the stadium by the fans, I'm sure it would have been mentioned by Andy Liney in a board meeting or two, as well as in other stadium building related meetings.
Having a steeper seating would have been one of the main adjustments for better acoustics.
Acoustics can be improved by adding a section (2 metres?) of perspex/clear something around the edge of the stadium roof. That will add to shelter, make no difference to light. The most effective way which would be at a lower angle than the rest of the roof, though not so much as to be too much of a problem with drainage.
There are other ways of improving it too, though all would cost. One of the downsides of making the noise louder for fans is worse acoustics for music events. There was a good article somewhere looking at what works best for sports stadiums.
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I was informed today by the stewards that the Mansfield fans came out early went to the east stand and waited for the Rovers fans to come out then they attacked our young kids till the older ones came out and sorted them out after a battle, with not a copper in sight, some of them even tried to get in to the east stand reception
I've been told the same thing, and some of them actually got into the East Stand concourse. If that is the case, and they were attacking families then they deserved the beating they eventually got.
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There were several people in the SE Corner near us a little worried that the lot may get into crowd area near us, I along with some of my pretty handy mates told them not to be concerned, if they came as far as us they would be dealt with.
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Do we need to take a leaf out of Swansea city's book with regard to the Liberty stadium. Going there for few times there was no way of preventing opposing fans from engaging with each other postmatch. On our last visit they have since erected large fences to keep fans apart, this luckily prevented large scale disorder when we scuppered Swansea from gaining a playoff place from memory. Obviously the fences were erected in light of more high profile fixtures against the likes of Cardiff.
Surely this has to be on the clubs radar. If the plod aren't going to prevent disorder then fences outside the away end has to be on the agenda
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Easy thing keep away fans in for 10 mins after the end of the game gives chance for home fans to move away.
If fans are told beforehand then they have no complaints
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Easy thing keep away fans in for 10 mins after the end of the game gives chance for home fans to move away.
If fans are told beforehand then they have no complaints
I'm sure there was a ruling in recent years about this being unlawful. Hence why I doesn't happen!
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Easy thing keep away fans in for 10 mins after the end of the game gives chance for home fans to move away.
If fans are told beforehand then they have no complaints
I'm sure there was a ruling in recent years about this being unlawful. Hence why I doesn't happen!
I would assume it would come under being held against your will.
Surely if it was for the protection of themselves or others would be the loophole around it
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I remember us being kept in The Shay after playing Halifax. The stewards wouldn't open the metal gates so this huge (and probably now brain damaged) Rovers fan began nutting the gate and screaming 'let me out!'. Understandably, the stewards didn't intervene.
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The point is, why didn't the police stop Mansfield hooligans walking round to the East stand in the first place? Most of the police were Outside the West stand waiting for Mansfield to leave that way towards the main rd. Could have and should have been prevented.
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The point is, why didn't the police stop Mansfield hooligans walking round to the East stand in the first place? Most of the police were Outside the West stand waiting for Mansfield to leave that way towards the main rd. Could have and should have been prevented.
The old bill are great until anything actually happens!
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Well there we go lets knock down the Black Bank and rebuild it steeper, heres a video from the stoke game last season
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QPDqpTuUw6Y
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They locked us in after THE Brentford game!
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Used to get locked in nearly every game a few years back. It's only been recently they've started letting the fans out together. But let's be honest, every person who saw there lads coming in at last minute and walked straight along the bottom of stand to be as near to our fans as possible new they were after trouble. I just can't believe how little a police presence there was for such a game. Given its history over the last few meetings.
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Easy thing keep away fans in for 10 mins after the end of the game gives chance for home fans to move away.
If fans are told beforehand then they have no complaints
That would of made it worse in the ground with our fans celabreting after the game
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I remember us being kept in The Shay after playing Halifax. The stewards wouldn't open the metal gates so this huge (and probably now brain damaged) Rovers fan began nutting the gate and screaming 'let me out!'. Understandably, the stewards didn't intervene.
Didn't that gate give way after loads of us went at it...or was that another time. I'm thinking of a night match probably a Friday late 80's maybe 90
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Used to get locked in nearly every game a few years back. It's only been recently they've started letting the fans out together. But let's be honest, every person who saw there lads coming in at last minute and walked straight along the bottom of stand to be as near to our fans as possible new they were after trouble. I just can't believe how little a police presence there was for such a game. Given its history over the last few meetings.
Because the Club have to pay for any Police inside the ground.....All five SY Clubs objected to the costs some years ago that was imposed by the SYCC (Police Authority) not the Police Force itself.
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I remember us being kept in The Shay after playing Halifax. The stewards wouldn't open the metal gates so this huge (and probably now brain damaged) Rovers fan began nutting the gate and screaming 'let me out!'. Understandably, the stewards didn't intervene.
They tried it with us at Chesterfield first time we played at new ground. Didnt happen as side gates came flying open not long after, and a mass stampede to get out.
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Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on April 10, 2017, 06:44:54 PM
I remember us being kept in The Shay after playing Halifax. The stewards wouldn't open the metal gates so this huge (and probably now brain damaged) Rovers fan began nutting the gate and screaming 'let me out!'. Understandably, the stewards didn't intervene.
Didn't that gate give way after loads of us went at it...or was that another time. I'm thinking of a night match probably a Friday late 80's maybe 90
I recall around 1980 in the FA cup at the Shay where we got held in after the game, it could have turned nasty because fans were coming out behind the stand over a brow to a lower level and were pushing/crushing the fans at the exit gate, the perimeter walls were like the concrete gravel boards and post that cracked under the pressure of the crush. We were then herded through a crowd of police officers with snarling German shepherd dogs snapping at us. It was horrific.
I had parked on a side street near the ground and in my dash to get out of the area I went straight through an unmarked crossroads and got side swiped by another driver coming from the left and had to swap details for the insurers, I'm sure that we won the game though.
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I remember us being kept in The Shay after playing Halifax. The stewards wouldn't open the metal gates so this huge (and probably now brain damaged) Rovers fan began nutting the gate and screaming 'let me out!'. Understandably, the stewards didn't intervene.
Didn't that gate give way after loads of us went at it...or was that another time. I'm thinking of a night match probably a Friday late 80's maybe 90
That sounds about right mate - It was certainly in that era, maybe Billy's second period as Manager. It was definitely a night game. I can't remember the gate giving way but its certainly in the realms of possibility because there were a lot of very large (and very drunk) Rovers fans having a go at it. All the time we could hear the Halifax fans outside being herded away by the police too. Pretty scary stuff looking back on it but when you're 18 and with your pals you feel invincible!