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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: mrfrostsdad on April 08, 2017, 07:15:38 pm
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What the feck is wrong with you???
I won't call you football fans because that has nothing to do with football. Screaming and shouting 'scabs'. None of you were even born when the miners strike was in full swing and the only scabs you know about is the feckin scabs you pull off your noses.
Your football team has just won promotion but you're still not happy. Knocking seven bells out of each other. You're all absolutely pathetic and a disgrace to the football club.
And talk about show yourselves in your true colours. I've never seen anyone run so fast when the cops turned up. Cowards every one of you.
Just stay away if you get any pleasure out of that.
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ps.
That's aimed at fans from both clubs not just ours.
Fans?? Don't make me laugh
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Probably not the right place for this. Average age of this forum is 50 odd and they're usually too busy reminiscing about the good old days to call anyone a scab or start a fight.
If you're after the 12 year olds of our fans then try the Facebook group. Although you might struggle to get a word in with them all calling each other "melt"s. x
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Melts?? WTF is one of those?? 😄😄 Nope, they were definitely older than that. Having said that they probably can't read anyway
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agree with Frosty, the pitch invasion spoilt everything.
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Funny, he didn't even mention the pitch invasion...
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Started in the stadium with a steward being assaulted by a Mansfield fan. They then continued to smash up seats and advertising boards, with no one visibly arrested.
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I wasn't born when the miners strike took place but just the same as the rest of the following generation, we suffered the effects of Thatcherism and as a worker, I still suffer for the behaviour of the Nottinghamshire scabs.
If one child has to ask what a scab is and have it explained that there's not much lower than being a scab then its worth it.
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Thatcher and her government caused the mining industry to fail, not from those in Nottinghamshire who wanted to carry on working. Those working in the coke plants and mines throughout the strikes were a side show; the mines were going to shut anyway, and Scargill didn't help the cause in the long run either. I'm with mrfrostsdad on this one.
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I wasn't born when the miners strike took place but just the same as the rest of the following generation, we suffered the effects of Thatcherism and as a worker, I still suffer for the behaviour of the Nottinghamshire scabs.
If one child has to ask what a scab is and have it explained that there's not much lower than being a scab then its worth it.
And thereby goes the problem.
I'm from a mining family. The miners were sold down the river by their own Union. They tried to being down the Thatcher Government and failed. In a similar way as the Junior Doctors tried last year. Even the President of their own Union told them what a great deal they'd got and then resigned when they turned it down.
But hey, that's a political argument and not for a football forum.
By the way: this has nothing to do with anything that happened in the ground, this was outside the ground
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Thatcher and her government caused the mining industry to fail, not from those in Nottinghamshire who wanted to carry on working. Those working in the coke plants and mines throughout the strikes were a side show; the mines were going to shut anyway, and Scargill didn't help the cause in the long run either. I'm with mrfrostsdad on this one.
The National Union of Mineworkers caused the downfall of the mining industry.
A Labour Government closed more mines than the Tories ever did.
Don't get me arguing politics ffs!! This lot today have probably never even heard of Arthur Scargill or Maggie Thatcher!!
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:welcome:Does anybody want to consider how much of our support comes from Nottinghamshire.
I'm from Retford as dozens more are.
I didn't work in the pits back then so not a scab either.
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I wasn't born when the miners strike took place but just the same as the rest of the following generation, we suffered the effects of Thatcherism and as a worker, I still suffer for the behaviour of the Nottinghamshire scabs.
If one child has to ask what a scab is and have it explained that there's not much lower than being a scab then its worth it.
Sorry but that is absolute b*llocks. If you were told to go on strike without a vote what would you do? And yes I was involved in the strike
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Thatcher and her government caused the mining industry to fail, not from those in Nottinghamshire who wanted to carry on working. Those working in the coke plants and mines throughout the strikes were a side show; the mines were going to shut anyway, and Scargill didn't help the cause in the long run either. I'm with mrfrostsdad on this one.
Yes I'm with Mrfrostsdad too , I detest that chant too ffs can we put it to bed now. Why make such tits of yourself leave that childish crap back home in your nursery. Grown -ups shouldn't be encouraging our next generation to carry on with such crap - like the 2nd World War that some want to keep on refighting - both have gone .
We can continue to commemorate our dead , miss our mining communities but to saddle the next generation with negative things like hating Germans and Maggie Thatcher further divides them from the Continent and rebuilding our communities.
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:welcome:Does anybody want to consider how much of our support comes from Nottinghamshire.
I'm from Retford as dozens more are.
I didn't work in the pits back then so not a scab either.
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I am as well, and so is certain gentlemen who is going to London today to pick up an award
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It is time for the "scab" chants to stop..
How many of the visiting fans were actually miners,who worked during the strike?? Not many I would guess.
I lived though the strike year in a place right in the middle of mining country, wasn't involved but I saw the goings on daily. It was a terrible time, but to tar everyone from Nottinghamshire or nearby with "scab" is bang out of order..
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Would not sing it me sen as I don't sing at football ,but is this just not a chant that helps generate a atmosphere during the football that all and sundry claim is missing.
Suppose Mansfields answer would on the line of singing Yorkshire bas**rds etc etc ,that don't upset me as take it as part of the atmosphere as football is all about tribes is it not.
Don't run onto the pitch ,don't sing scab , don't stand up, sit down,don't do this or don't do that,
Which basically means
Plaese come in stay seated, sing nice songs soon to be introduced stand up and clapp the other team when they score .
Get some b*llocks back into it
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Would not sing it me sen as I don't sing at football ,but is this just not a chant that helps generate a atmosphere during the football that all and sundry claim is missing.
Suppose Mansfields answer would on the line of singing Yorkshire bas**rds etc etc ,that don't upset me as take it as part of the atmosphere as football is all about tribes is it not.
Don't run onto the pitch ,don't sing scab , don't stand up, sit down,don't do this or don't do that,
Which basically means
Plaese come in stay seated, sing nice songs soon to be introduced stand up and clapp the other team when they score .
Get some b*llocks back into it
Some people can really spout some right cr*p
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What the feck is wrong with you???
I won't call you football fans because that has nothing to do with football. Screaming and shouting 'scabs'. None of you were even born when the miners strike was in full swing and the only scabs you know about is the feckin scabs you pull off your noses.
Your football team has just won promotion but you're still not happy. Knocking seven bells out of each other. You're all absolutely pathetic and a disgrace to the football club.
And talk about show yourselves in your true colours. I've never seen anyone run so fast when the cops turned up. Cowards every one of you.
Just stay away if you get any pleasure out of that.
you obviously don't understand BANTER
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The scabs thing isn't really a scabs thing. It's the classic football fan trope of abusing your opponents to gain a superiority advantage. You read too much into it and give those who call it too much credit.
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It always makes me smile whenever we chant about scabs as one sits very near me in west stand. I always wonder what he thinks.
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Mrfrostdad
The National Union of Mineworkers caused the downfall of the mining industry.
A Labour Government closed more mines than the Tories ever did.
Don't get me arguing politics ffs!! This lot today have probably never even heard of Arthur Scargill or Maggie Thatcher!!
what a load of tosh
if that was the case why not a public enquiry ????? like Hillsbrough
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Mrfrostdad
The National Union of Mineworkers caused the downfall of the mining industry.
A Labour Government closed more mines than the Tories ever did.
Don't get me arguing politics ffs!! This lot today have probably never even heard of Arthur Scargill or Maggie Thatcher!!
what a load of tosh
if that was the case why not a public enquiry ????? like Hillsbrough
What caused it then?
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Mr Frost
What caused it then?
Have a Public Enquiry that will tell you the truth but you Dont Want to KNOW the truth hurts
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Mr Frost
What caused it then?
Have a Public Enquiry that will tell you the truth but you Dont Want to KNOW the truth hurts
Come again?
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Thatcher and her government caused the mining industry to fail, not from those in Nottinghamshire who wanted to carry on working. Those working in the coke plants and mines throughout the strikes were a side show; the mines were going to shut anyway, and Scargill didn't help the cause in the long run either. I'm with mrfrostsdad on this one.
The National Union of Mineworkers caused the downfall of the mining industry.
A Labour Government closed more mines than the Tories ever did.
Don't get me arguing politics ffs!! This lot today have probably never even heard of Arthur Scargill or Maggie Thatcher!!
One of the biggest load of b*llocks I've ever read on this forum
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Thatcher and her government caused the mining industry to fail, not from those in Nottinghamshire who wanted to carry on working. Those working in the coke plants and mines throughout the strikes were a side show; the mines were going to shut anyway, and Scargill didn't help the cause in the long run either. I'm with mrfrostsdad on this one.
The National Union of Mineworkers caused the downfall of the mining industry.
A Labour Government closed more mines than the Tories ever did.
Don't get me arguing politics ffs!! This lot today have probably never even heard of Arthur Scargill or Maggie Thatcher!!
One of the biggest load of b*llocks I've ever read on this forum
Which part?
Because Labour certainly did close more mines than the Tories.
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The mining industry was doomed when the railways stopped using steam, compounded by domestic usage switching to gas, regardless of party politics when your market disappears then your industry is gone
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Thatcher and her government caused the mining industry to fail, not from those in Nottinghamshire who wanted to carry on working. Those working in the coke plants and mines throughout the strikes were a side show; the mines were going to shut anyway, and Scargill didn't help the cause in the long run either. I'm with mrfrostsdad on this one.
The National Union of Mineworkers caused the downfall of the mining industry.
A Labour Government closed more mines than the Tories ever did.
Don't get me arguing politics ffs!! This lot today have probably never even heard of Arthur Scargill or Maggie Thatcher!!
One of the biggest load of b*llocks I've ever read on this forum
Which part?
Because Labour certainly did close more mines than the Tories.
Stick to taxi driving, Filo. It doesn't require much thought.
I don't think there was any need for the personal attack
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Thatcher and her government caused the mining industry to fail, not from those in Nottinghamshire who wanted to carry on working. Those working in the coke plants and mines throughout the strikes were a side show; the mines were going to shut anyway, and Scargill didn't help the cause in the long run either. I'm with mrfrostsdad on this one.
The National Union of Mineworkers caused the downfall of the mining industry.
A Labour Government closed more mines than the Tories ever did.
Don't get me arguing politics ffs!! This lot today have probably never even heard of Arthur Scargill or Maggie Thatcher!!
One of the biggest load of b*llocks I've ever read on this forum
Which part?
Because Labour certainly did close more mines than the Tories.
Stick to taxi driving, Filo. It doesn't require much thought.
I don't think there was any need for the personal attack
Banter Filo, Banter.
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I hope the next generation shout " scabs" as wel. NEVER FORGET
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I hope the next generation shout " scabs" as wel. NEVER FORGET
What will it achieve exactly?
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It's called honour, Tory boy
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It's called honour, Tory boy
Stay stuck in the past fella. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
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I hope the next generation shout " scabs" as wel. NEVER FORGET
It's those bloody pillaging Vikings we should never forget....
History, how long do you hold a grudge before letting it go?
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I can't believe that doncastrians are suggesting we should just forget about what happened to OUR communities. NEVER FORGET. Disgrace the lot of ya's
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So because of the Doncastrian lives lost in the 2 world wars we should still hate the Germans?
The point is, why should we label fans of Nottinghamshire based clubs as scabs just because some miners in that region were not on strike over 30 years ago??
Fair enough not to forget, but don't blame the existing supporters..
Some things are fine as football banter, others cross a line.. This does, on my opinion..
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There is a difference between not forgetting and the bile that some spew out.
To err is human, to forgive is divine. Remember with pride not vindictive bitterness. I had no time for Thatcher and her cronies but if you aren't careful whilst you are looking at the past you are missing the present and maybe the future.
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I can't believe that doncastrians are suggesting we should just forget about what happened to OUR communities. NEVER FORGET. Disgrace the lot of ya's
Never forget. But you seem to have forgotten Esdailles. Either that or you want to pick and choose the bits of history you want to apply that rule too.
There are a lot of people in the Doncaster area who have scabs in the families if you want to go back far enough. Are you from Askern, Bentley, Hatfield of Haworth? Did you relatives work at Markam Main or Yorkshire Main? What did your relatives do in 1926? Which side were they on? Did they scab or did they stop out?
Farmers protested at rates increased in October in order to provide funds for relief and by this time, miners at Askern, Bentley, Markham Main, Hatfield, Harworth, Bullcroft and Yorkshire Main were working. Nationally, a quarter of the miners had returned to work but at Rossington there was no change. A “disorderly incident” was reported in Rossington on 1 October when a motor van bringing safety workers from Armthorpe pit was stoned by a large crowd. On 22 October the owners “threw open” Rossington pit and between 80 and 90 men signed on to begin work. The terms offered were the same as was being applied elsewhere in South Yorkshire which was a 7.5-hour day and a reduction to the piece workers’ percentage to 6.1. The Strike Relief Fund, which had been loaning cash to feed families, ran out of cash and 50,000 more men nationally returned to work. The Rector of Rossington lamented the sad result of the bitter feelings he observed at the Armistice services in November. An article was published in the Doncaster Chronicle on 12 November entitled “Rossington’s Double”. It stated that a “piquant position” had arisen with two sets of officials representing the miners. One looked after the interests of those who had gone back to work on the terms offered by the Sheepbridge Coal and Iron Co and the other, the recognised officials of the Yorkshire Miners’ Association, was concerned with the men who are still on strike. About 400 men were said to be at work and that the management could not deal separately with each man on matters like house rent stoppages, repayment of relief, the doctors’ fund, and the pick sharpening fund.
Thus ended 1926, with the miners failing to bring the owners to their knees. 250,000 miners did not get their jobs back as the stoppage had disrupted Britain’s trade. Foreign competitors had availed themselves of the golden opportunity presented by the strike. Many pits had to close because they were uneconomic to run.
http://rossington-villagelife.co.uk/rossington-the-general-strike-and-the-lock-out/
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You can come on here with as many essays as you want, they are SCABS and always will be SCABS
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It should be moved to off topic ( so to speak) to enable people to scrap and debate without distracting attention away from what is a very happy time for the club and our fans and that is really what we would like to be be discussing .
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Last game at Grimsby applause for a dead fan upset you. This week it's scabs, you need to lighten up. Life seems a lot better when you look for good rather than bad, especially if the bad is history.
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You can come on here with as many essays as you want, they are SCABS and always will be SCABS
What, all of them???
Tar = same brush!!!
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I can't believe that doncastrians are suggesting we should just forget about what happened to OUR communities. NEVER FORGET. Disgrace the lot of ya's
I wasn't even born ffs!
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To me, a scab is someone who works in defiance of a vote to strike. Therefore, the only people who could have been scabs during the Miner's Strike were those who worked in the areas that voted to strike - which does not include Nottinghamshire, who did not vote to strike so could not defy that vote by working. I suggest Esdaille look a lot closer to home for people to call scabs.
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So Esdaille everyone one from over the county border is a scab ? Never been on a Retford away bus ?
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Indeed glyn - the fact that King Arthur refused to even hold a vote, because he knew he'd lose it, says quite a lot about the unofficial strikers who chose to act without the consent of their colleagues and their union....
Esdaille man. There weren't any scabs. There couldn't be. There was no vote for a strike so there was nothing to break.
BobG
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There was a National ballot a few years earlier over a proposed incentive scheme, the Notts miners would get massive bonus's if the svheme was accepted, the National ballot voted by a big majority to reject the scheme. The Notts miners went against the ballot result and negotiated their own incentive scheme locally. The Notts Miners had a history of going against the National ballot result right back to the General strike in 1926. The scab is not a legacy of the 1984 strike, it goes back further than that. The fact was the Notts miners could never be trusted to observe a result of a National ballot if it did n't suit them
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Wonder if the SNP leadership are of any relation...
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There was a National ballot a few years earlier over a proposed incentive scheme, the Notts miners would get massive bonus's if the svheme was accepted, the National ballot voted by a big majority to reject the scheme. The Notts miners went against the ballot result and negotiated their own incentive scheme locally. The Notts Miners had a history of going against the National ballot result right back to the General strike in 1926. The scab is not a legacy of the 1984 strike, it goes back further than that. The fact was the Notts miners could never be trusted to observe a result of a National ballot if it did n't suit them
Are you seriously trying to suggest that Scargill didn't call a National strike ballot because he didn't trust the Notts miners to accept the result?
You say they have a scab legacy, but I've never heard of them strikebreaking. I'd be interested in knowing the history of that.