Post by: Bentley Bullet on April 18, 2017, 04:15:36 pm
Post by: Hounslowrover on April 18, 2017, 05:09:35 pm
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on April 18, 2017, 05:10:05 pm
Post by: The Red Baron on April 18, 2017, 05:29:01 pm
Anti-Tory as I'm in a marginal Labour seat. If I lived in the next door constituency of Twickenham or Richmond Park, it would see me vote Lib-Dem.
From that I take it you're in Brentford & Isleworth, which bucked the trend in 2015 by going from Conservative to Labour. Tactical voting perhaps, or did the Lib Dem vote shift to Labour?
Post by: Hounslowrover on April 18, 2017, 07:58:58 pm
Post by: i_ateallthepies on April 18, 2017, 08:40:45 pm
Post by: Sprotyrover on April 18, 2017, 08:49:19 pm
Post by: tommy toes on April 18, 2017, 10:44:02 pm
Post by: Akinfenwa on April 18, 2017, 11:09:07 pm
No one ought to worry about Corbyn. He has no chance of getting in and he'll be gone on the 9th of June. The person who succeeds Corbyn as leader (hopefully someone with their head screwed on) will need all the seats they can get in order to oppose this abysmal government.
Post by: Muttley on April 18, 2017, 11:40:14 pm
Can't vote for Corbyn so I won't bother.
Unless you live in Islington North, you can't vote for Corbyn
I advise you to vote for the party that has the best chance of winning vs the party you don't want to win.
Post by: i_ateallthepies on April 19, 2017, 06:05:47 pm
Post by: Bentley Bullet on April 19, 2017, 10:40:03 pm
Post by: Nudga on April 19, 2017, 10:43:32 pm
Post by: RedJ on April 20, 2017, 12:26:21 am
I wonder if BST will be out canvassing for his beloved Labour, despite his condemnation of its leader?
Lucky that you vote for an MP rather than the party leader in a general election, eh?
Post by: Bentley Bullet on April 20, 2017, 08:04:50 am
Post by: Susan Abbott on April 20, 2017, 09:21:47 pm
Who are you gonna vote for?It's not a question of not voting Labour , I'm a card carrying Labour supporter and I will voting for Labour , it's about getting Labour first in then Corbyn out .
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Post by: BobG on April 20, 2017, 09:57:47 pm
BobG
Post by: not on facebook on April 20, 2017, 10:47:59 pm
It's a fcuked up party when it takes a snap election brought in by the main opposition party that in turn looks like the knock on effect will be corbyn been shown the door.
Why the fcuk can't Labour sort it's own house out first ,as they must know what many are saying about corbyn.
So they sleepwalk along doing bugger all with a 'it will be all right jack' attitude ,and they want you to vote them into number 10 .
The whole lot of them are fcuking clueless
Post by: The Red Baron on April 21, 2017, 09:03:13 am
Traditionally the membership is more left-leaning than the unions or MPs so the system means you are far more likely to get a left-wing leader than before.
This issue will not go away even if Labour loses the GE badly (I'm not convinced the result will be as bad as some people think btw.) Corbyn would probably stand down, but his replacement is likely to be on the left of the party.
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on April 21, 2017, 09:20:05 am
The voting rules brought in under Ed Miliband mean that the members have a huge say in who becomes Labour leader. Previously the unions and the PLP had a much bigger proportion of the vote.
Traditionally the membership is more left-leaning than the unions or MPs so the system means you are far more likely to get a left-wing leader than before.
This issue will not go away even if Labour loses the GE badly (I'm not convinced the result will be as bad as some people think btw.) Corbyn would probably stand down, but his replacement is likely to be on the left of the party.
That could rather depend on who's still got a seat in Parliament!
Post by: wesisback on April 21, 2017, 02:53:19 pm
Post by: Yargo on April 21, 2017, 04:14:13 pm
It'll certainly be interesting to see if its the centre right Labour MPs who suffer at the polls or the further left. I know if I was based in Don Valley I'd struggle to out an X next to Flints name. As it stands I have Rosie Winterton who is a fantastic MP and deserves every vote she gets.Two sides of the same arse! Which ones in favour of a second referendum today/this week,which ones for/against unlimited migration?Mind you only took Winterton 12 months to find Hexthorpe after being asked to attend a residents meeting
Post by: RedJ on April 21, 2017, 09:07:49 pm
Post by: bobjimwilly on April 22, 2017, 07:24:59 pm
On their homepage theres a quote from Thatcher [sic],
"we will make Britain a country that works not for a privileged few, but for everyone of us"...
just take a sec to read that again. Does anyone believe this sort of rhetoric? REALLY?
What about those below the poverty line, those in social care, the elderly, public sector workers, nurses, junior doctors, anyone on less than 40k a year? f**king liars.
Post by: BobG on April 22, 2017, 09:18:30 pm
Funny that.
BobG
Post by: Bentley Bullet on June 09, 2017, 01:43:39 pm
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Post by: selby on June 11, 2017, 09:27:24 am
Post by: Mr1Croft on June 12, 2017, 09:27:29 pm
I think Corbyn more than proved he is a leader and he is electable. He has just taken on his own party, and everything the Establishment and the Media could throw at him; and he still won 40% of the vote and looks to have got the youth vote up. Something not seen in over 25 years.
The fact the Tories are uniting behind their shambolic leader in fear of taking on Corbyn in another elections speaks volumes about how far he has come.
Post by: Akinfenwa on June 13, 2017, 01:36:22 am
Three main things I underestimated:
- Corbyn's ability to run a very good campaign, including putting together a manifesto which while radical (by 21st century UK standards) wasn't extreme to the point of alienating most of the electorate. I'm glad that these policies have been put firmly back on the table of mainstream UK politics. He also managed the unthinkable and actually got the younger vote to turnout. Very impressive achievement and could be key in future elections. The pollsters wrote them off right up until polling day ended up getting it wrong, as did I.
- The electorate. I never really imagined that enough of them would give an unapologetically left leaning party the time of day, especially with the Tory media machine's 'Project Fear' cranked up to full blast. But 12.8 million voted for it, 3.5 million votes up from 2015 and the largest increase of the vote share for Labour since Attlee in 1945! This goes some way to show that standing on such a platform can be credible and not the electoral suicide it was previously thought to have been.
- How bad Theresa May and her campaign could be. I mean, I knew she was a bit shit but not to this extent. They built the campaign around her, yet she has zero personality and barely came across as human. They also arrogantly thought that they could get away with offering up a half arsed manifesto containing naff all. However despite all that, she did lead her party to a 42.4% vote share and over 2 million more votes than Cameron got in 2015. I've no idea how, but they still did pretty well really in terms of votes and didn't appear to haemorrhage too much support in Labour's direction. Labour were somehow able to stop them by gaining their own surge in support from seemingly nowhere.
I wont be making the mistake of writing him off again any time soon though. He should hopefully return to the Commons with a united party who have confidence in his leadership. He more than deserves the opportunity to build on this result and keep the momentum (small 'm') going. And yes, the Tories really don't want another election at the moment. They're vulnerable after suffering shell-shock last week and their discredited leader is now running on life support.
Post by: wilts rover on June 13, 2017, 05:05:34 pm
Jermey Corbyn - popularity rating +35. Theresa May - popularity rating -59.
It's a funny old world.
https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Jeremy_Corbyn
https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Theresa_May
Post by: i_ateallthepies on June 13, 2017, 08:03:36 pm
He's a colossus that Corbyn, a f**king electoral genius!!!
Post by: BobG on June 13, 2017, 08:39:42 pm
Still, I'm starting to thinK Corbyn might have a chance on 3 or 4 years time if he's still there/ Mrs May or her replacement will do extremely well to avoid becoming the most unpopular Prime Minister in history. The Tories will have been in power for 3 parliaments and the tone of the country seems to be changing. That looks to me like the recipe for a Labour government next time round - if they can avoid being seen as looney left.
BobG
Post by: hoolahoop on June 13, 2017, 09:23:47 pm
However the promises made by the Labour Party are going to be looked over with a fine tooth comb now .
Post by: Ldr on June 13, 2017, 09:39:35 pm
Couldn't imagine it being possible but who knows in this day and age
Post by: tommy toes on June 13, 2017, 10:38:47 pm
Who gave us a referendum to leave the EU to start this chaotic division in the country. Your lot.
Who called an unnecessary election as they thought she was a shoe in, resulting in more chaos and an alliance with the Neanderthals of the DUP.
Your lot
Corbyn was ridiculed by all and sundry and vilified by the media and got 40% of the vote.
And you've got the cheek to blame the youth who've been marginalised and ignored, for standing up for theirsens at last. I hope they did vote twice(impossible)it might make up for when they didn't vote at all.
Bob
You are making the same mistake as BST did and reying on history to predict the future. Corbyn has debunked that with this result. The youth voters dont care about left or right. People under 35 have no memory of that.
Post by: wilts rover on June 13, 2017, 11:06:23 pm
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election/
Post by: tommy toes on June 13, 2017, 11:34:25 pm
Post by: BobG on June 14, 2017, 12:07:16 am
Breaking the law, btw, is illegal. If people have voted twice and it's proved, imagine what that does to any claim to credibility that Corbyn might have had. It's stupid. And it's short sighted. And Corbyn has debunked nothing with this result. He did better than I expected true - but his opponent had the brains and personality of a soggy lettuce. And even with that great advantage, Corbyn lost. He's proved nothing as yet. He might next time around though...
Bob
Post by: SydneyRover on June 14, 2017, 01:33:00 am
It depends on how people view themselves and what they consider a conservative to be. Unfortunately the majority of those in the UK that control the media, business, political lobbying and religion also closely align with the conservative party. Those that consume the media especially content provided by Fox and The Sun and similar are being drip fed with propaganda designed to outrage them and make them feel that voting for any other party except conservative would result in the country being overrun by aliens and minorities that would be an affront to mankind. Banging on about aliens is a favourite barrow of the "right" and they never fail to wind up those easily led, when in fact the UK has thrived with foreign cultures in the mix.
PS: Harold Wilson was a good PM and fought for freedom with the International Brigade in the Spanish Civil War.
Post by: drfchound on June 14, 2017, 08:02:57 am
In the long run, Tommy, historical trends don't often lie. Next time, the tea leaves are telling me that Corbyn has a better chance of winning as a left winger than any other alleged left wing leader of the Labour Party ever. Despite the SNP, despite the malignant press, despite idiotic choices of front benchers, he is quite likely to have a helluva opportunity next time round. If Corbyn can reclaim more of Scotland then he's likely got a fantastic chance.
Breaking the law, btw, is illegal. If people have voted twice and it's proved, imagine what that does to any claim to credibility that Corbyn might have had. It's stupid. And it's short sighted. And Corbyn has debunked nothing with this result. He did better than I expected true - but his opponent had the brains and personality of a soggy lettuce. And even with that great advantage, Corbyn lost. He's proved nothing as yet. He might next time around though...
Bob
"Breaking the law,btw, is illegal".
That has to be the best line typed on here, ever.
Post by: i_ateallthepies on June 14, 2017, 08:09:31 pm
Post by: idler on June 14, 2017, 08:50:56 pm
Post by: BobG on June 14, 2017, 10:38:56 pm
Cheers :)
BobG
Post by: RedJ on June 15, 2017, 11:55:56 am
I voted Independant.
Yorkshire Independence Party? ;)
Post by: idler on June 15, 2017, 12:14:19 pm
I don't agree with all of his sentiments but the Lib Dems in Bradford gave done more for the locals than Lab. & Cons. have.
Hussein was always going to get in whichever way I voted.
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on June 16, 2017, 09:51:59 am
Essential public services are just that and we've seen the erosion of that. These services are the heart of all our towns and cities. Good, honest, decent public services don't have to cost the earth if they are run well and that is where someone needs to get a grip to ensure we get value for money for the public purse.
NHS is a prime example. But the other emergency services must be near breaking point.
I think the public are coming to realise this government under May is not fit. Corbyn has improved his standing however, maybe many like me have reservations about his leadership style and how he may represent us on an international stage but, he is clearly more in tune with the public than any of them.
I voted for Brexit but I know things will not be easy and we have to get our own house in order to be successful in the long term.
If Corbyn came out and said the same and said we're going to reinvest in public services but spend wisely and look at every wasted £1 that could be reinvested, he'll win the next election by a landslide.
Post by: drfchound on June 16, 2017, 10:09:38 am
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on June 16, 2017, 06:03:46 pm