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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: PDX_Rover on April 29, 2017, 04:49:26 pm
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About the bizarre collapse in form since promotion was guaranteed.
We had the title squarely in our own hands and it's bitterly disappointing how they managed to cock it up.
Yes, promotion is fantastic but it's worrying that we can't seem to seal the deal...
Wtf is going on?
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Coppinger not playing - makes the difference.
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His team selections and tactics have been questionable. The phantom injuries which everyone has recovered from are too
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Have to agree. Copps is key but we're not a one man team. The Plymouth manager's reverse psychology has worked a treat too.
But still the question remains... why did we let this slip away so easily?
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One man up front at home with strikers on the bench today. Shite
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Interesting last day then... Pompey arguably have the easiest game...
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Shocking that today, absaloutley gutted
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Bottled it massively 🍼 Plymouth fans taking the absolute piss out of us on twitter.
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Bottled it massively 🍼 Plymouth fans taking the absolute piss out of us on twitter.
They've ever right too. They're a better team than us. We aren't as good as some people think. Our record against the better teams in this division has been average at best.
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Bottled it massively 🍼 Plymouth fans taking the absolute piss out of us on twitter.
They've ever right too. They're a better team than us. We aren't as good as some people think. Our record against the better teams in this division has been average at best.
Completely agree with you on that one.
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Our record against the better teams lately is very poor. There's the need for some serious work before next season.
I think, from Carlisle away onward, we've played 10 games against top half teams. We've won 2, drawn 2 and lost 6.
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If Connor Grant gets a permanent move it's a travesty
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Spot on.has been very poor,there are far better players around than him.
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Can we just swap teams with Exeter? Better organised, better on the ball, better in every department.
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Can we just swap teams with Exeter? Better organised, better on the ball, better in every department.
Tbh, I though they were just as bad as we were after the first 25 mins - only they didn't self-destruct.
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Won 1 Point since McCullough returned to the side his he making the wrong balance to the side
he played well today
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Resting players as soon as we had been promoted changed the mindset of the players and most of those that have played in games since have had one eye on the football and the other on the sun lounger!
COYR
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Can we just swap teams with Exeter? Better organised, better on the ball, better in every department.
Tbh, I though they were just as bad as we were after the first 25 mins - only they didn't self-destruct.
Nope, they clearly had a game plan to stop us from playing. It worked, they were very well organised at the back.
As soon as we had the ball it was like looking at a yellow wall.
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Our movement was non existant
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Our movement was non existant
That is why Alcock messed up.
He looked for someone to play to and there was no movement.
He turned and had a bad touch and the rest is history.
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Can we just swap teams with Exeter? Better organised, better on the ball, better in every department.
Easier and cheaper to just swap the Managers .
Tisdale can also bring Their Captain and Goal scorer Jordan Moore-Taylor, What a left foot he's got.
He had Blair in his pocket all game and what a strike for his goal.
Fantastic Left Back and only 23, unfortunately I think he's destined for better than the likes of us. :(
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Can we just swap teams with Exeter? Better organised, better on the ball, better in every department.
What & be in the play offs & not already promoted!!
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We have been poor in a poor league
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Wrong, we have been good for most of the season.
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We have been poor in a poor league
Hi Mick, been a while. I see you still know f**k all about the game.
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Can we just swap teams with Exeter? Better organised, better on the ball, better in every department.
Easier and cheaper to just swap the Managers .
Tisdale can also bring Their Captain and Goal scorer Jordan Moore-Taylor, What a left foot he's got.
He had Blair in his pocket all game and what a strike for his goal.
Fantastic Left Back and only 23, unfortunately I think he's destined for better than the likes of us. :(
Did anyone else think that Lawlor left it thinking it was going wide? Those in the South could probably answer that best
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I don't think he saw it until too late.
Most keepers do a token dive even if they can't get there.
The ball came from an unlikely area ( a very clever training ground free kick) and through a crowd scene.
I was right behind it and I didn't know where the ball was until it came through the pack.
I was hoping it would hit the post.
It was a great strike.
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I take it that you were right behind it in the South Stand Mr Hound.
I was right behind it in the East stand . and could tell as soon as he hit it that Lawlor was never going to get anywhere near it, fantastic strike.
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It's the same poor league that Pompey and Plymouth have been stuck in for years, we've gone straight back up.
Great achievmen, yet we have the same old moaners moaning about shite
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Yes, like throwing away the title....
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We have been poor in a poor league
Haven't they said that every time we have won promotion?
COYR
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We've just been promoted so Fergie obviously won't have been changing too much in the last few games other than maybe resting a few players, hence the dodgy looking injuries to Williams and Coppinger, etc. How we've played has been good enough for the first 40 odd games so it's not the players ability or the managers ability thats at question. I believe it's mentality over the last few games either a mentality of "job done now relax" or were going out there too desperate and it's not coming off.
In our form from the start of the season up till Easter we definitely wouldn't have lost as many as we have in the last 4 but it's definitely no reason to get rid of first teamers (Lawlor, Butler, Baudry, Alcock, McCullough,Coppinger, Rowe, Blair, Williams, Marquis - these are our best players) or the manager. We do however need more strength in depth to deal with injuries and suspensions to our better players, which I believe in Ferguson to address.
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I think Ferguson making wholesale changes as soon as we'd secured promotion with a 9pt lead that shouted out the message to the players that we're taking our collective foot off the gas. And just like last season, once the winning habit was broken they couldn't regain it.
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Newcastle fans probably weren't going to win the title, and were a lot shorter price than we were. Yet their fans stayed behind for 20 mins celebrating promotion.
Not our fans.
They would rather piss and whine about anything that comes into their head
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The Newcastle fans stayed behind right after the game in which promotion was secured.
I seem to remember that the same thing happened right after the game in which we secured promotion.
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It's the same poor league that Pompey and Plymouth have been stuck in for years, we've gone straight back up.
Great achievmen, yet we have the same old moaners moaning about shite
I assume you mean the shite that's been served up by Rovers over the last four games?
Partisanship aside, I'd rather watch the kind of football served up by Exeter in the last game than the shite served up by Rovers in the last four. A team that 'wants it' and 'works for it', and 'plays football'
Rovers = can't pass, can't defend, don't appear to care.... One point out of a possible twelve by the supposed best team in the league? Yep, that's shite all right.
As supporters we give everything, EVERY GAME. Pity the players haven't in the last four!
We pay good money to be entertained, if what we've seen over the last four games is entertainment then I'm a Dutchman.
Just hope for a better performance against the Monkey Hangers, a loss there would be TOTAL UTTER SHITE!
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You're going on about 4 games over a season of 46 games. This is the first bad run we've had all season and some of our fans are embarrassing themselves with their reaction to this bad run
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No, some of our fans are seeing it as it really is. One point out of a possible twelve, piss poor football from a team that was running away with the league? A manager tinkering with a working formula? One up front at home in a vital title match - where we're told by the club that the trophy is waiting to be presented?
Four very bad games by a team that appear to be going through the motions?
Simply, not good enough. Plymouth and Portsmouth both also promoted, both 'going for it', Rovers apparently couldn't care less.
We, as fans, pay to be entertained every game of the season. If you call what was severed up over the last four games entertainment then you really should have gone to specs avers!
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Dickos, it isn't the 'bad run' that has pissed people off it's the abject performances resulting from lack of effort and - again on the season run-in - that people are pissed off about. If you think it's good then good for you mate.
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Dickos, it isn't the 'bad run' that has pissed people off it's the abject performances resulting from lack of effort and - again on the season run-in - that people are pissed off about. If you think it's good then good for you mate.
Agreed, it's great that we gained promotion at the first time of asking, but, the title was ours to lose, for whatever reason Fergie has either told the players we'd got it in the bag, or given that impression to them in his bizzare team selections and tactics since gaining promotion. We've thrown it away, and that is what pisses people off the most
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When you give something your best shot and fail there are no comebacks and no guilt.
If I was a rovers player at the minute I would be looking at where me and my team mates had just lost the extra bit that wins things against the odds.
Plymouth have had that in the last three games, we haven't.
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I think Dickos to his credit has always been a 'glass half full' kinda guy when it comes to Ferguson.
Other folk might prefer to call a spade a spade.
Ferguson has got us promoted in some style this season, although this was with a large and expensive squad and has put us back in a position where we were when he took over.
His self-declared goal of winning the title has turned to dust as his players have turned in some of the most risible performances of the season at the moment that really mattered and this might, a reasonable person could conclude, leave just a few questions around our future competitiveness in League One next season.
Think that is fair?
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Yes, sums it up for me.
As has been said before, players can play their way out of teams as well as in.
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I think that's a fair summary.
I would however say the players who have player the majority of the games over the first 40 games we know what they're capable of despite the last 4 games. Don't judge players on 4 games, judge them on 46, which they've been more than good enough over.
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If we win the title on Saturday will everyone still be going on like this?
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Probably because we shouldn't have imploded the way we have.
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If we win the title on Saturday will everyone still be going on like this?
I'll be delighted if we win the title, and I'm sure Darren Ferguson will be.
I've been dismayed by our recent performances, and I'm sure Darren Ferguson has been.
I've openly criticised the players for their recent performances, and so has Darren Ferguson.
I share Darren Ferguson's opinion of the recent performances. Are we both embarrassing ourselves with our reaction to this bad run?
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I'm pretty sure Darren Ferguson hasn't said anything as ridiculous as we're not good enough for the playoffs
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What's ridiculous about it?
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On current form it's a good job we aren't in the play offs.
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If we win the title on Saturday will everyone still be going on like this?
I'll be delighted if we win the title, and I'm sure Darren Ferguson will be.
I've been dismayed by our recent performances, and I'm sure Darren Ferguson has been.
I've openly criticised the players for their recent performances, and so has Darren Ferguson.
I share Darren Ferguson's opinion of the recent performances. Are we both embarrassing ourselves with our reaction to this bad run?
Are you Darren Ferguson?
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Are you Darren Ferguson?
No, I'm his sister Sheila, I toured with you and your family with the 3 Degrees a few years back.
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Are you Darren Ferguson?
No, I'm his sister Sheila, I toured with you and your family with the 3 Degrees a few years back.
I'll never forget that one special night we had together x
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And here's me thinking that I was the dreamer!
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We're not good enough for the playoffs yet the team in the final places of the playoffs have 17 points less than us, have won 8 games less than us and have scored 18 fewer goals than us.
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Yes, I'd make them favourites against us now. Shit happens.
Ask yourself this, Hartlepool are next to bottom. Are you convinced we'll beat them on Saturday? Would it be ridiculous to say we won't beat them?
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Ask yourself this, Hartlepool are next to bottom. Are you convinced we'll beat them on Saturday? Would it be ridiculous to say we won't beat them?
It took a 90th min goal to beat them at home, so it's not ridiculous.
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We will deserve to end up where we do the season is over forty six games you rarely win a title six games from the end of any league. Ferguson deserves respect for fulfilling his main objective i don't get this we've hardly beat any of the top teams so aren't good enough. Champions main points come from the other teams apart from your top six in a league. If we only beat those teams we would be in trouble near the bottom of the league.
Our side has scored eighty four goals but we have let a lot of goals in for a promotion chasing side that's okay this season next season we wouldn't get away with it. We've had a fantastic season whether we win the league or not i am angry we have dropped to bits so near the finish.
To me this collapse has a lot to do with mental and physical fatigue rather than lacking ability. The positives are we have some really good footballers who are still moulding themselves into a team that can serve the club for a fair few years. We just need additions in each department of the team. Bigger, stronger but who can also play football we've got plenty of smaller technical players. I honestly think if we had added a few more physical type players it could have helped us through these recent games where we just haven't performed.
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Could be a roller coaster job on Saturday as I think Hartlepool will throw everything bar the kitchen sink at us - they have to,only a win gives them the chance of staying in this league.
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We have not become a bad team overnight.
It is totally a mental problem. We got promoted with 5 games to spare. The players took the foot off the gas, not deliberately but when you get over the line it very often happens.
I am not defending the players as this should not have been allowed to happen. Therefore I reluctantly have to blame DF for this.
It is no wonder he hasn't won a title as he needs to be more focused. He should not have allowed 2 days of celebrating after the Mansfield match, or the tinkering with the team. He sent out all the wrong messages to the team by doing what he did.
He needs to learn quickly that winning is a habit and losing is also a habit.
It's all a mental thing because we all know this team has been the best in the league for the first 41 matches and it should have been right up to the final whistle after 46.
Having said all that who knows what might happen on Saturday, there might be a final twist. We can but hope. :rtid:
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We're not good enough for the playoffs yet the team in the final places of the playoffs have 17 points less than us, have won 8 games less than us and have scored 18 fewer goals than us.
The team your quoting also took 6 points off us and knocked us out of the Trick or treat trophy.
We've only beaten 2 of the top 7 (6 not including us) in a poor league.
We need to strengthen big time if were to compete in the top half of L1.
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Why is it every time we get a promotion from whatever league ,people always say its a poor league.Trying to discredit us?
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Why is it every time we get a promotion from whatever league ,people always say its a poor league.Trying to discredit us?
Do you think it is a good standard ?
I personally think the standard is way down on what we saw last season in L1.
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It is less important whether a league is poor or not, it is far more important whether as a club you have below average, average or above average resources for that league. I am afraid that resources are still the biggest guide towards footballing success.
We are easily one of the biggest if not the biggest budget in this league and yet we have limped over the line and failed to beat the majority of our promotion peers.
You have to ask whether with these resources the manager is adding sufficient extra value or not. SOD for instance had literally no resources in the Championship yet he for several seasons personally added significant value to keep us up. Likewise Saunders with a fairly limited budget and massive disruption managed to get a team together that was immediately challenging for the title in League One.
With the huge resources we have relative to most other teams in this league, perhaps folk might think we should have performed just that little better these last few games?
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I consider the signings of Marquis,Rowe,Baudry.Blaire,Houghton,Mason,Lawlor and Grant were the sign of a very good supportive Board and a manager who has the personality and clout to attract quality players . The club has a convincing Community Strategy that is also succeeding to add to our sustainablilty
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About the bizarre collapse in form since promotion was guaranteed.
We had the title squarely in our own hands and it's bitterly disappointing how they managed to cock it up.
Yes, promotion is fantastic but it's worrying that we can't seem to seal the deal...
Wtf is going on?
Reliance on loan signing i.e. Jordan Houghton who has not played over the same period. Average players suffering from fatigue and carrying injuries gam after game and over all lack of depth in the squad . Lessens for sure have been learned but it will be require deeper pockets next season to over come repeating the same deficiencies i.e. early injuries and reliance of requirement for long term loans .
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I thought we were awful. Strange to tinker with a new formation in a game like that.
I thought Exeter were excellent up and down the pitch.
Marquis has been poor for nigh on a month now, Grant... not sure what he is supposed to do but whatever it is he's doing it wrong. Defensively bar Butler we looked very frail indeed especially out wide. Coppinger bar the goal did nothing.
Very disappointing to be honest, really poor performance for the third home game on the trot.
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It is less important whether a league is poor or not, it is far more important whether as a club you have below average, average or above average resources for that league. I am afraid that resources are still the biggest guide towards footballing success.
We are easily one of the biggest if not the biggest budget in this league and yet we have limped over the line and failed to beat the majority of our promotion peers.
You have to ask whether with these resources the manager is adding sufficient extra value or not. SOD for instance had literally no resources in the Championship yet he for several seasons personally added significant value to keep us up. Likewise Saunders with a fairly limited budget and massive disruption managed to get a team together that was immediately challenging for the title in League One.
With the huge resources we have relative to most other teams in this league, perhaps folk might think we should have performed just that little better these last few games?
Limped over the line??
Give over, 5 games to spare is limping over the line?
First side in the country to gain promotion is limping over the line?
Only doncaster fans could find something to moan about after the season we've had.
We're above Pompey, who have been here years and spent more money than us and not long ago won the fa cup
You don't see their forum full of miserable negative moaners.
If you can't be happy with winning promotion with 5 games to spare then you're doing the wrong thing on a sat afternoon I'm afraid
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I understand people's frustration with the lack of points since we achieved promotion but....... do you think we can just enjoy winning promotion for a bit longer before all the doom and gloom starts. We might even be champions on Saturday.
I'm not saying you don't have a right to hold a post mortem but let's enjoy our promotion a bit longer and see what happens on Saturday first.
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The reality is that if we had made a late run to actually achieve promotion and then finished second or third, everyone would be happy.
Because for some months now we have looked stitched on for promotion and more recently, stitched on for the title, massive disappointment has set in.
Very obviously we are all happy to be going up but no one can be surprised at supporters being upset at not clinching the title.
The players and staff will be feeling the same and I wouldn't be surprised if there has been a few arguments about this in the camp.
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It is less important whether a league is poor or not, it is far more important whether as a club you have below average, average or above average resources for that league. I am afraid that resources are still the biggest guide towards footballing success.
We are easily one of the biggest if not the biggest budget in this league and yet we have limped over the line and failed to beat the majority of our promotion peers.
You have to ask whether with these resources the manager is adding sufficient extra value or not. SOD for instance had literally no resources in the Championship yet he for several seasons personally added significant value to keep us up. Likewise Saunders with a fairly limited budget and massive disruption managed to get a team together that was immediately challenging for the title in League One.
With the huge resources we have relative to most other teams in this league, perhaps folk might think we should have performed just that little better these last few games?
Limped over the line??
Give over, 5 games to spare is limping over the line?
First side in the country to gain promotion is limping over the line?
Only doncaster fans could find something to moan about after the season we've had.
We're above Pompey, who have been here years and spent more money than us and not long ago won the fa cup
You don't see their forum full of miserable negative moaners.
If you can't be happy with winning promotion with 5 games to spare then you're doing the wrong thing on a sat afternoon I'm afraid
It was our manager who set the goal of winning the title, not me. He set the goal and then pretty much lost every single game since. Perhaps worth considering this point? He has himself said he is bitterly disappointed with the end of season collapse.
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Liverpool haven't lost a game to any of the top 6 in the Prem this year; fat lot of good it's done them.
We had to hit a bad run eventually, just a shame it's happened so close to the finishing line.
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It is less important whether a league is poor or not, it is far more important whether as a club you have below average, average or above average resources for that league. I am afraid that resources are still the biggest guide towards footballing success.
We are easily one of the biggest if not the biggest budget in this league and yet we have limped over the line and failed to beat the majority of our promotion peers.
You have to ask whether with these resources the manager is adding sufficient extra value or not. SOD for instance had literally no resources in the Championship yet he for several seasons personally added significant value to keep us up. Likewise Saunders with a fairly limited budget and massive disruption managed to get a team together that was immediately challenging for the title in League One.
With the huge resources we have relative to most other teams in this league, perhaps folk might think we should have performed just that little better these last few games?
Limped over the line??
Give over, 5 games to spare is limping over the line?
First side in the country to gain promotion is limping over the line?
Only doncaster fans could find something to moan about after the season we've had.
We're above Pompey, who have been here years and spent more money than us and not long ago won the fa cup
You don't see their forum full of miserable negative moaners.
If you can't be happy with winning promotion with 5 games to spare then you're doing the wrong thing on a sat afternoon I'm afraid
It was our manager who set the goal of winning the title, not me. He set the goal and then pretty much lost every single game since. Perhaps worth considering this point? He has himself said he is bitterly disappointed with the end of season collapse.
Winning the title is a different matter, you stated we've limped over the line. We pissed it over the line. Probably the most comfortable promotion we've ever achieved.
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"the line" being end of the season of course, which is when games traditionally stop being played.