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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on April 29, 2017, 05:20:20 pm
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One up front at home?
The three behind that deep Marquis was totall isolated!
Conner Grant was god damn awful but Copps went off first
Alfie May was not what we needed when he brought him on when Mcsheffrey is on the bench
We've been promoted but right now it feels like we've been relegated
Another end of season capitulation!
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Agree totally.the game was very reminiscent of last season and look what happened then.big rethink needed to stable things for next August.better team on today.
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Concede first AGAIN!!! This team is not as good as we think.
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Agree, but it was obvious after 5 mins that Joe Wright was out of his depth, gave the ball away all the time, terrible passing and could not handle being pressed, and from what I can tell he gave away the pen ( based on the fact he was the one who was booked).
I have praised him in the past but today he had a stinker!, We surely can't be keeping him for league one on this performance.
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Connor Grant has been awful all year. Don't sign him please. Only one I'm bothered about is Houghton returning. Mason good sub to have to cover positions
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Lost the plot is an under statement .
He starts with 1 striker who never got in the box ,and then in blind panic and desperation he ends up sticking 4 strikers on, bizarre.
Not been on Twitter yet , but no doubt he will be blaming everyone but himself.
As for the " end of season collapse ", i'm surprised it's took this long , I'v been expecting for a long.
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Couldn't believe he took Copps off. Had to stay on with his experience.
Grant and Marquis were terrible.
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Grant has been shocking in his second spell, hope to God we do not sign him in the summer. Simply awful.
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Has he lost the plot, yes he has and he lost it as soon as we gained promotion with resting players
COYR
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Couldn't believe he took Copps off. Had to stay on with his experience.
Grant and Marquis were terrible.
Marquis looked bad because non of the three behind got near him
Grant should have been replaced at HT with McSheffrey
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Post match comments;
BBC Radio Sheffield - Football Heaven, Darren Ferguson: 'That's it now. Plymouth will win the league' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p051hv0f)
Just sounds pissed off.
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POor selection, poor substitutions. Still not over and it's not really important but what an opportunity missed. Suspect he's learnt a lot about some players though. Grant, Butler, Alcock poor today
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Must admit I've been trying to stay positive over these past 4 games due to the fact we've gained promotion but today feels exactly how I felt after the Crewe away game last season. For me we will finish third now and that's disappoint for how many points we were clear after gaining promotion. I expect a few players gone after these past four games if fergie is anything like his dad with throwing sentiment out of the window.
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Has he lost the plot, yes he has and he lost it as soon as we gained promotion with resting players
COYR
:that: you beat me to it mate.
Almost the same team most weeks up to promotion then tinkered with things.
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Couldn't believe he took Copps off. Had to stay on with his experience.
Grant and Marquis were terrible.
Marquis looked bad because non of the three behind got near him
Grant should have been replaced at HT with McSheffrey
I understand your comment about Marquis, but he is still under performing recently. He doesn't look like he has the same fire in his belly recently. The system didn't help him but he was still poor.
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How deflating.
Obviously it's knee jerk in the heat of another awful defeat, but how much do we actually owe to Fergie? We shouldn't have gone down in the first place, and now having raced to the top of the league once again our form post-January has been another mini-capitulation.
Be interested to see what our post-January form actually is. I'm guessing it won't be that great.
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Since January - W6 D6 L5
Mid-table form.
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Our defence is nowhere near good enough for the next level, we looked awful at the back today, it was like Exeter were top & we were fighting relegation, some big decisions for Fergie in the summer, I just hope signing Connor Grant isn't one of them.
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He certainly seemed to lose it when he was swearing at the supporters. Unfortunately for the second season running we've got a dressing room of bottlers.
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Couldn't believe he took Copps off. Had to stay on with his experience.
Grant and Marquis were terrible.
Marquis looked bad because non of the three behind got near him
Grant should have been replaced at HT with McSheffrey
I understand your comment about Marquis, but he is still under performing recently. He doesn't look like he has the same fire in his belly recently. The system didn't help him but he was still poor.
I really thought we would start with Williams and Marquis up front today.
Very negative the way we set up.
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Said it a few weeks ago. We've blown it.
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Our defence is a total liability. Only one I would keep is Baudry
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Today like the last few games has been an absolute embarrassment. Clueless and passionless. Has Dickov been brought back to manage the last few matches?
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No, it is still the man who took us down last season.
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For heaven's sake, you lot, what would your reaction be if we win at 'Pools next Saturday and Plymouth fail to win at Grimsby? Just to remind you that if this scenario occurs then we're the champions. Cue a completely different reaction. :facepalm:
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No, it is still the man who took us down last season.
And the man who put it right this season first time of asking in gaining promotion, but quite a few have been waiting for a bad run so they can have ago again.
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For heaven's sake, you lot, what would your reaction be if we win at 'Pools next Saturday and Plymouth fail to win at Grimsby? Just to remind you that if this scenario occurs then we're the champions. Cue a completely different reaction. :facepalm:
Yes well said.
Yes I am really angry and I am devastated that we may have blown being Champions from the position we were in but the knee jerk reactions on this forum once again are quite unbelievable.
The players don't lose deliberately do they.
DF starting with 1 striker seemed strange. To play the last 15 with 4 strikers was even more ridiculous as we had no midfield to give them any service. Williams and May never received 1 decent pass in to feet.
There has been far too much tinkering with the team in the last few matches. Hence the rhythm and the momentum that we had has disapated.
We desperately need a left back and I am sorry Craig Alcock as hard a worker he is just isn't good enough for League 1 ( his distribution is awful ) so unless Mitchell Lund is the answer we will also need a right back. I am also concerned Butler will be found out in the league above due to his lack of pace, so I think we need another centre back also.
If the last few weeks have shown DF that the defence is not good enough then the poor results may have been a blessing in disguise.
NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL TURNING A HUGE NEGATIVE INTO A POSITIVE
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No, it is still the man who took us down last season.
And the man who put it right this season first time of asking in gaining promotion, but quite a few have been waiting for a bad run so they can have ago again.
Don't include me in the quite a few waiting to have a go again please.
I would have been delighted to give him the plaudits but the question is has he lost the plot.
The answer, sadly is yes.
Too many changes since promotion was secured.
Players who were going to miss the rest of the season mysteriously coming back.
I reckon DF thought the title could be clinched without certain key players and it has rebounded on him.
Much the same as happened last season when he failed to improve the squad in January then stuck with the system that got us beaten every week.
I have enjoyed the ride to promotion and will be happy to say it has been great but sad to say that he has failed to deliver what should have been an easy enough title win from where we were four games ago.
Yes, we may well still get it but it is out of our hands really now.
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Concede first AGAIN!!! This team is not as good as we think.
and 3rd and 4th
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No.
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you can tell why he has never won the league with all his chopping and changing believing the league was won , his arrogance cost us but we are still promoted
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I don't think these losses are a bad thing. Without them we may have kept the same squad but clearly big changes need to be made before the league 1 campaign. The defence has more holes than my string vest, Conor Grant shows no interest in playing for us imo and playing May has also been a bad pick for me for all his endeavour. Marquis and Williams got us where we were. I don't think Marquis feels as effective without his strike partner beside him.
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Unbelievable
46 games in the season, we struggle for only 4 of them and the manager has lost the plot.
Yet we're promoted 🙈
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Unbelievable
46 games in the season, we struggle for only 4 of them and the manager has lost the plot.
Yet we're promoted 🙈
It's hilarious. Thank God our board isn't as fickle as our fanbase or we'd be changing manager every 5 games.
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For heaven's sake, you lot, what would your reaction be if we win at 'Pools next Saturday and Plymouth fail to win at Grimsby? Just to remind you that if this scenario occurs then we're the champions. Cue a completely different reaction. :facepalm:
Yes well said.
Yes I am really angry and I am devastated that we may have blown being Champions from the position we were in but the knee jerk reactions on this forum once again are quite unbelievable.
The players don't lose deliberately do they.
DF starting with 1 striker seemed strange. To play the last 15 with 4 strikers was even more ridiculous as we had no midfield to give them any service. Williams and May never received 1 decent pass in to feet.
There has been far too much tinkering with the team in the last few matches. Hence the rhythm and the momentum that we had has disapated.
We desperately need a left back and I am sorry Craig Alcock as hard a worker he is just isn't good enough for League 1 ( his distribution is awful ) so unless Mitchell Lund is the answer we will also need a right back. I am also concerned Butler will be found out in the league above due to his lack of pace, so I think we need another centre back also.
If the last few weeks have shown DF that the defence is not good enough then the poor results may have been a blessing in disguise.
NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL TURNING A HUGE NEGATIVE INTO A POSITIVE
We have had a poor defence all season and DF knows this . We are a good team but as individuals we only have a few good ones i.e. Houghton , Copps , Rowe , Butler ,Marquis and Blair.The rest seem average but effective in League 2.
IF ... we are to hit the ground running next season we need to introduce more steel into the side upfront and at the back . We are fading out because the players have been playing at the top of their game every week and now it's caught up with them and fatigue has set in . We have one last opportunity to put in good performance and make Plymouth /Portsmouth do the same .
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Butler ain't good enough for the league above. Good league 2 defender at best. If he is one of our centre back pairing next season then we will ship goals.
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For heaven's sake, you lot, what would your reaction be if we win at 'Pools next Saturday and Plymouth fail to win at Grimsby? Just to remind you that if this scenario occurs then we're the champions. Cue a completely different reaction. :facepalm:
Yes well said.
Yes I am really angry and I am devastated that we may have blown being Champions from the position we were in but the knee jerk reactions on this forum once again are quite unbelievable.
The players don't lose deliberately do they.
DF starting with 1 striker seemed strange. To play the last 15 with 4 strikers was even more ridiculous as we had no midfield to give them any service. Williams and May never received 1 decent pass in to feet.
There has been far too much tinkering with the team in the last few matches. Hence the rhythm and the momentum that we had has disapated.
We desperately need a left back and I am sorry Craig Alcock as hard a worker he is just isn't good enough for League 1 ( his distribution is awful ) so unless Mitchell Lund is the answer we will also need a right back. I am also concerned Butler will be found out in the league above due to his lack of pace, so I think we need another centre back also.
If the last few weeks have shown DF that the defence is not good enough then the poor results may have been a blessing in disguise.
NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL TURNING A HUGE NEGATIVE INTO A POSITIVE
We have had a poor defence all season and DF knows this . We are a good team but as individuals we only have a few good ones i.e. Houghton , Copps , Rowe , Butler ,Marquis and Blair.The rest seem average but effective in League 2.
IF ... we are to hit the ground running next season we need to introduce more steel into the side upfront and at the back . We are fading out because the players have been playing at the top of their game every week and now it's caught up with them and fatigue has set in . We have one last opportunity to put in good performance and make Plymouth /Portsmouth do the same.
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We have more players than what you have listed capable for league one but defensively we will need a lot of work. Baudry is the only defender we have who is good enough for that level. I expect Wright to be as well but he's not played league one so we shall see.
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Is it the defenders fault or is it the fact that Fergie is incredibly tactically naive and his only tactic is to go out and score more than the opposition. Which is fine if you have in form strikers at your disposal but Marquis has been poor since he won his award and Williams has been shocking all season.
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The plot is prepare for League 1. Within this, I think Fergie was still aiming for the title and didn't expect things to have dipped as much as they have done. The dip is more the fault of the players than the manager.
We crossed the line which marked the aim of the season, promotion, and pretty much the whole side has slipped back a gear. Maybe this is understandable in terms of basic psychology, and maybe this will mean the players will benefit in the long run. Lots of maybe's - "Fergie losing the plot" is off the mark.
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Defence not good enough neither are we up front. Thank god for marquis otherwise we would have struggled again. Midfield is strong but no end product.
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24 hours on and I'm sad that we've let the title slip but really, I reckon the management and players will be really gutted. It's a championship on their CV and a medal they've just about thrown away. For us it's just bragging rights and the pride in our club going up as champions.
I'm not going to dwell on it too much. It's been a good season when all is said and done. We're up at a canter and I still believe we are the best team in the division. If we go up as champions next week it's deserved. If we don't, it's not.
Rtid