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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: rich1471 on June 04, 2017, 12:09:49 am
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three more separate incidents tonight in London people have died but they have not said how many London bridge again, Vauxhall and borough market shocking London bridge is closed
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inb4 Oslo
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Time for security in mosques time for the Muslim community to step up
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Funny how you're quick to assume it's an Islamic attack... or how you ignore the fact that the Muslim community always does speak out against these extremists, if it does turn out to be Islamic...
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So if it's not a extreme Muslim attack redj who is it .
The ira > no as they never use knives
It only can be extreme Muslims sorry to say .
23,000 known jihadis in the U.K. With only 3000 been tracked .
So that leaves 20,000 unaccountable .
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Still ignoring the fact that the Muslim community does in fact speak out against these kinds of attacks. But then that wouldn't suit an agenda...
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Redj please tell me what should be done then , this really needs to stop .
The majority of these isis supporting nutters are from the muslim community and we have left ourselves open to these sort of attacks by so called liberal attitudes.
The Manchester bomber went to Libya on at least four occcasions and was not stopped , yet we can stop football supporters from leaving this country.
His father did not condemn him and his father and mother have now fled back to Libya when they initially left there for the relative safety of this country twenty odd years ago.
We are to scared to offend people in the muslim community but we neeed to tighten the ship.
99% of mosques go about their business lawfully , but there are 1% of the mosques preaching hatred and recruiting these guys for Isis , but because of not offending the muslim community we don't go in and sort these issues out.
People who go to Syria to join Isis then decide they don't like it should never be allowed back into this country.
As for the people requesting that we now cancel the election on Thursday - please show this scum that we will not be stopped going about our business as normal, if we dont hold the election we will have lost to this isis scum.
As has been said it is time to stop saying how awful and holding vigils , and admit that the root of the problem is within the radicalised muslims and for their community to identify these dangers to our society.
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Funny how you're quick to assume it's an Islamic attack... or how you ignore the fact that the Muslim community always does speak out against these extremists, if it does turn out to be Islamic...
Do you think it was a christian attack? Or a Hindu attack? Perhaps a Buddist attack?
People need to stop being apologists for these kind of attacks and stop jumping on people when they're stating the obvious
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Think it is time with these known 3000 on the watch list to intern the British element, deport those that are not and exclude anyone who is know to be involve with terrorism abroad from returning or entering/reentering this country.
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Think it is time with these known 3000 on the watch list to intern the British element, deport those that are not and exclude anyone who is know to be involve with terrorism abroad from returning or entering/reentering this country.
Stick em Guantanamo Bay style on a uninhabitad island, let em fend for themselves and kill each other
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Redj please tell me what should be done then , this really needs to stop .
The majority of these isis supporting nutters are from the muslim community and we have left ourselves open to these sort of attacks by so called liberal attitudes.
The Manchester bomber went to Libya on at least four occcasions and was not stopped , yet we can stop football supporters from leaving this country.
His father did not condemn him and his father and mother have now fled back to Libya when they initially left there for the relative safety of this country twenty odd years ago.
We are to scared to offend people in the muslim community but we neeed to tighten the ship.
99% of mosques go about their business lawfully , but there are 1% of the mosques preaching hatred and recruiting these guys for Isis , but because of not offending the muslim community we don't go in and sort these issues out.
People who go to Syria to join Isis then decide they don't like it should never be allowed back into this country.
As for the people requesting that we now cancel the election on Thursday - please show this scum that we will not be stopped going about our business as normal, if we dont hold the election we will have lost to this isis scum.
As has been said it is time to stop saying how awful and holding vigils , and admit that the root of the problem is within the radicalised muslims and for their community to identify these dangers to our society.
The Manchester Libyan bomber and his family were known to MI5 as the father was recruited by British secret service to help over throw colonal gaddaffi.
MI5 helped to create The Libyan Freedom Fighters with funding, training and weapons. They were also also allowed to come back and forth as they wished.
This same tactic was used in Syria with the creation of ISIS to over throw Assad.
The Libyan Freedom Fighters are now part of ISIS.
The BBC will not report things like this, and the government will not admit to it either, ever heard of deniable operations?
The British government have more to answer for than the mosques of Britain.
This is all to do with Oil and arms deals, it's shady as f**k, why are we agreeing arms deals with Saudi Arabia? They have a worse human rights record than Saddam Hussein and Gaddaffi did put together but we're in bed with that lot.
I know I'll come in for a lot of stick with this post but I am more disillusioned with our government and intelligence agencies than I am with Muslims living amongst us.
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You wonder whether we have enough resources to weed out these extremists and then deal with them. If we haven't already, we need a network of infiltrators to identity these evil people.
The border controls do need to be backed up by intelligence and anyone returning from Iraq/Syria etc., needs to be quarantined.
They live amongst us. Be vigilant.
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Think it is time with these known 3000 on the watch list to intern the British element, deport those that are not and exclude anyone who is know to be involve with terrorism abroad from returning or entering/reentering this country.
The IRA said internment was the biggest recruiting sergeant they ever had. Is that what you want to hand to these extremists?
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The IRA said Think it is time with these known 3000 on the watch list to intern the British element, deport those that are not and exclude anyone who is know to be involve with terrorism abroad from returning or entering/reentering this country.
The IRA said internment was the biggest recruiting sergeant they ever had. Is that what you want to hand to these extremists?
Whats your solution Glyn?
Shall we just turn a blind eye to people with known extremist links?
Let them continue to walk the streets while innocent civilians continue to be slaughtered?
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I'd rather have these f**kers interned than walking the street able to carry out these attacks, what do you suggest we do appease these people more than we already have done. The time for action is now.
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If you're a suspected football hooligan you get passport confiscated and movements restricted, and these extremist f**kers are allowed to roam around freely, total f**king madness!
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RIGHT...I DO NOT CARE IF THIS OFFENDS
The ones involved are products of "Free Speech" They are the products of " Cowards in this Country who do not dare to stand up to such atrocities people like Corbyn and also the leader of Lib Dems, like it or not Farage was right. Trump is right "PUT OUR OWN COUNTRY FIRST" The actions this last fortnight will win the Election for the Tories and I will tell you why. They are the only party who are saying "they are killing us so we kill them" They have given the Police the right to shoot to kill and Corbyn says Trident? is not needed. What is needed to any lily fairies is a strong policy - Bring back all overseas personnel from all BFPO except Gib and Falklands, defend this country from within, there is sufficient MOD properties vacant that can rehouse them and let them spend their money in England instead of foreign economies, stop all overseas aid to corrupt countries or those who home Terrorists.
The military to assist Police in Patrols (If it offends people tough) If the baddie kills people around you then I kill the baddie are you going to scream for my blood or shall I let them towards you and let them kill you or your children,
NOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE NOW THINKING THE SAME, OR SHOULD WE IGNORE THE POOR VICTIMS, how much longer before their is an atrocities and attacks on Christians whilst attending a Sunday Service,
THE TORIES WILL WIN THIS ELECTION BECAUSE IF THEY DO NOT THIS COUNTRY WILL BE IN A WORSE STATE THAN EVER - SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO GET A GRIP AND IMO THERESA MAY IS GETTING IT RIGHT. She fighting an election and is trying to clear the path to dump the Europeans, to get our own Bill of Rights and not cower to the Germans or French. This is for discussion and I have not really read much of the points as above because my mind was already made up as soon as I read the headlines this morning
Now next season there will be searches of fans going into grounds, The fairies will not like it and complain as they have done on the Black Bank this season, but who is to blame????? Well as I have posted elsewhere, all of us, for closing our eyes and not wanting to be seen as a squealer or a Grasser.
Well despite all this and believe me I have no mercy for the scum who are dealing in death, I shall now go to Mass this morning with my daughter because all I really have is my religion,Nobody will take that away..
NEVER MIND COMMENTS SUCH AS "WELL YOU WERE A COPPER BLAH BLAH BLAH" I am no longer a Policeman and my views either in the Police or now have never been different. Corbyn says he has never had a meeting with the IRA but admits speaking with Sinn Fein, err Adams and Mc Guinness were leaders of the Political Branch of the IRA
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The IRA said Think it is time with these known 3000 on the watch list to intern the British element, deport those that are not and exclude anyone who is know to be involve with terrorism abroad from returning or entering/reentering this country.
The IRA said internment was the biggest recruiting sergeant they ever had. Is that what you want to hand to these extremists?
Whats your solution Glyn?
Shall we just turn a blind eye to people with known extremist links?
Let them continue to walk the streets while innocent civilians continue to be slaughtered?
The police themselves say that more community policing is a big factor in intelligence gathering that has been lost due to the cuts in manpower as they get to know people on the ground not only get to know who could be the wrong 'uns, they become a focal point for the muslim community to talk to, no matter how trivial the information might be.
Possibly creating more of them by interning masses of them irrespective of their potential guilt isn't a solution in my eyes - the radicals will point to it and say to those they want to recruit 'look what they're doing, they don't believe in their own laws'. Also, picking up one person in a cell (because you won't get all of them) will lead to the others in that cell thinking it won't be long before they're picked up too...so lets go and kill as many as we can before that happens.
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Glyn..I was a Community Bobby as I have previously stated and you are right, I got told who was what by many of normal people and I pushed the info up the ladder, made my job easy to be able to talk to people without problems, it was fun in nice weather but when it was snowing or heavy rain? well I hope you get the point.
Community Policing is the only way to have a good relationship with the general public..But society changed and towards the end of my job, if I was walking in Moorends and got sent to a job in Thorne "First thing that I was hit with was - YOU TOOK YOUR TIME". that was 16 years ago I finished but people phone the Police and almost immediately start their stopwatch to count how long it takes for Police to arrive. How this can now be averted I do not know.
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If you're a suspected football hooligan you get passport confiscated and movements restricted, and these extremist f**kers are allowed to roam around freely, total f**king madness!
We're OK though, your mate Jeremy will have a chat with them....
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Glyn..I was a Community Bobby as I have previously stated and you are right, I got told who was what by many of normal people and I pushed the info up the ladder, made my job easy to be able to talk to people without problems, it was fun in nice weather but when it was snowing or heavy rain? well I hope you get the point.
Community Policing is the only way to have a good relationship with the general public..But society changed and towards the end of my job, if I was walking in Moorends and got sent to a job in Thorne "First thing that I was hit with was - YOU TOOK YOUR TIME". that was 16 years ago I finished but people phone the Police and almost immediately start their stopwatch to count how long it takes for Police to arrive. How this can now be averted I do not know.
More local bobbies would seem to be the obvious solution - how many small police stations have also been closed down or are only open for a few hours at a time?
The problem is that Theresa May won't start increasing Police numbers because it's under her - first as Home Secretary and then PM that we've lost so many feet on the ground. To start recruiting again is an admission that she's done the wrong thing for the past seven years so that's not going to happen. Instead her proposal after Manchester is some sort of 'Commission' which sounds feeble at best. I don't think Labour's proposed increase in police numbers goes far enough but at least it's a step in the right direction.
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If you're a suspected football hooligan you get passport confiscated and movements restricted, and these extremist f**kers are allowed to roam around freely, total f**king madness!
We're OK though, your mate Jeremy will have a chat with them....
Hardly the time for Political point scoring is it, but then again a Tory never passes up a chance to get a dig in
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Glyn Again I agree, the current top table in South Yorks Police have stated there were mistakes made and they must return to Bobbies on the beat. You are also correct in what you say that there will be no rise in Police numbers and I fear that the new announcements of fast track Promotions and entry is by Degree only will blow up in their faces, I suspect that despite legal argument that somebody is going to eat humble pie and come out and state the obvious that they got it wrong. I do not think it will happen but we live in hope.
I do not know what the real solution is but I think what was in the Manifesto of all parties had since been changed in this last 24 hours. I pray for the dead and the families involved and also for the safety of all Emergency Services involved.
This Country and others in Europe lowered theur borders and such as IS have exploited it, We can argue on here but it will not make any difference
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Filo - I do not think anyone is trying to score points but at this moment in time certain people may say things and later think "OOOPPS should not have said that" we are all in a state of shock again and the baddies are winning at this time, how it is dealt with is not up to you, me or anyone on this site.
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Its a disgrace, how many attacks does it take before we actually fight back?
We are victims in our own country!! Anybody with any terrorist links should be deported immediately and never allowed to return, stop anybody with links actually entering the country,close the mosques, whatever it takes to eliminate the problem. Its frightening to think that we as people are bringing our children up on this awful world.
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The Tories will make the country safer will they? Is it not stating the blindly obvious again that they have been in power for 7 years and the attacks are getting more frequent.
Removing control orders on terrorist suspects so they can go fight for MI6 in Libya. Cutting community policing by 20000 so the police dont have contacts and dont know whats going on in these communities. Cutting police budgets by 4% each year so those who are left have less resources.
Selling arms to the Saudis and Turkey - which then find there way to ISIS.
Increasing our involvement in foreign wars with no idea or plan for a political settlement afterwards.
This is all without the decling job prospects and increasing racial hatred against foreign communities in this time that acts as a recruiter.
Do you not think decisions like that have consequences?
Go on. Vote for 5 years more of that and 5 years more decline, poverty, isolation and cuts if you want. Where is the Tory plan to make our country better and safer, I haven't seen it. All I have seen are plans to make the rich, richer and budgets cheaper.
Oh but Jeremy Corbyn wont drop a nuclear bomb on them!!!
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More security won't stop this,Knife attacks like this happen all of the time in Israel,and you can't knock them for security,We need to be out of the EU as soon as, we must stop free movement
Just how many of the 300,000 Merkel welcomed with open arms are capable of this sort of thing.
The Muslim community has failed to integrate and tha itself is an issue, that needs to be addressed there must be thousands of them who are listening to all sorts of shite being spouted by idiots in their communities and they need to be encouraged and helped top report it.
As for the idiots who went to fight the good fight we must make impossible to get back here,we don't want them, they made their beds and now they need to lay in em!
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One more point from me the government needs to answer. Why were terrorist threat levels reduced last week? What does this show about the intelligene capability to keep us safe?
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Teresa May"Despite all of my best efforts to run down and demoralise The Police service over the past 7 years I am shocked to report that they managed to respond and kill all 3 Terrorists within 8 minutes of them receiving the first 999 call"
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Fair enough points Sproty but what it should emphasise is how vital it is we have a deal with the EU so that we retain our access to the EU Police Information database and have joint security arrangements with them.
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Fools that are like minded as redj don't help with his outlook ''funny how your quick to assume it's a Muslim attack"
a different mind set is needed not just from redj and friends but fcuking t**ts like Diane Kitsoning Abbott who wants to wipe all criminal records from the data base ffs. > she should be hung drawn a quartered and her head slapped up on a gate post into London for treason to the British public.
If Labour was in would they uphold the shoot to kill policy?
I expect the liberals would not.
as for 1% of mosques been on the wrong side of the line it's a lot more than that.
Iam still waiting for the day when I see thousands of normall muslims walking down whatever city street in protest against the extreme Muslims .
7 people killed last night and 48 injured and Thad thanks to the very quick police response as they had armed officers on duty and unarmed officers all over London.
How many would have died if this had happened say in Doncaster ? as that will be there next target .at the moment it's just ones that live in major city's that feal the need to watch over their shoulders .
But after extreme Muslims have hit smaller towns across the U.K. then that will send amount looking over their shoulders into space.
Bally1950 and Glynn hit the nail on the head with lack of community police ,so that lands on conservatives door steps but if Labour got in they would put more police on the beat and at same time invite more possible extreme Muslims to live in the U.K. Via its open door policy.
Iam happy that 3 of the extreme were shot dead last night ,but unhappy that it seems a passer by got shot dead going on reports but you can't blame the armed police for that poor passer by.
When the government was keeping tabs on the ira the numbers they had a very close eye on was no more than 100 .
The 3000 extreme Muslims on that list today and the 20,000 not on the list shows the job whatever government is up against > another reason not to vote Labour if Abbott gets her way.
The government and police have kept 3000 to 5000 football hooligans
under controll at any one time over the last 10 years with threat of been thrown in jail if you break your terms ,and they do .
Why do I get the impression that if a extreme Muslim was put under same type of controll orders there be untold wet nosed spunk stains from within the far left up in arms
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Fair enough points Sproty but what it should emphasise is how vital it is we have a deal with the EU so that we retain our access to the EU Police Information database and have joint security arrangements with them.
If Iam not correct it's the USA Canada U.K. Australia and New Zealand that have all access to the cream of cream security data on terror .these 5 country's happily share what info they have amongst each other via whatever treaty .
Don't quite understand why rest of Europe is not involved in this but I guess it's down to trust or possible leaks but I could be wrong.
The yanks allways seem to be warning their tourists about whatever possible hotspots way before us all.
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Fair enough points Sproty but what it should emphasise is how vital it is we have a deal with the EU so that we retain our access to the EU Police Information database and have joint security arrangements with them.
Wilts I understand the Schengen information sharing agreement is stand alone, it has nothing to do with us trading eith EU countries.
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If you're a suspected football hooligan you get passport confiscated and movements restricted, and these extremist f**kers are allowed to roam around freely, total f**king madness!
We're OK though, your mate Jeremy will have a chat with them....
Hardly the time for Political point scoring is it, but then again a Tory never passes up a chance to get a dig in
And neither would labour if they got the chance, they're all the same
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The Tories will make the country safer will they? Is it not stating the blindly obvious again that they have been in power for 7 years and the attacks are getting more frequent.
Removing control orders on terrorist suspects so they can go fight for MI6 in Libya. Cutting community policing by 20000 so the police dont have contacts and dont know whats going on in these communities. Cutting police budgets by 4% each year so those who are left have less resources.
Selling arms to the Saudis and Turkey - which then find there way to ISIS.
Increasing our involvement in foreign wars with no idea or plan for a political settlement afterwards.
This is all without the decling job prospects and increasing racial hatred against foreign communities in this time that acts as a recruiter.
Do you not think decisions like that have consequences?
Go on. Vote for 5 years more of that and 5 years more decline, poverty, isolation and cuts if you want. Where is the Tory plan to make our country better and safer, I haven't seen it. All I have seen are plans to make the rich, richer and budgets cheaper.
Oh but Jeremy Corbyn wont drop a nuclear bomb on them!!!
Wilts just on your first line. Yes the Tories wil do something, they will continue to try whereas the Pacifists in other parties will lay down, if this knocks on your door after Thursday just see who you will blame if Fairy parties get in power, I shall now read the rest of yours
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One more point from me the government needs to answer. Why were terrorist threat levels reduced last week? What does this show about the intelligene capability to keep us safe?
I agree with you Wilts - there was a show of strentgh over the Bank Holiday and then it was refuced but they did say another attack was highly likely. Now this is not an argument because I think it is the only answer. My question to you is -Would you be agreeable to Police being armed as well as having Military walking the streets,? just for debate
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Just been looking at the Cheif Constables financial report online you can then download a 'Workforce planning' document Current strength in South Yorks is 2450 Officers a reduction of 400 since 2011' they can reduce to 2200 but 2019 to reach their 'Efficiency target'.
Chuffing spiders! When and who said SYP were efficient! It's like the Emporers new Suit in their workforce planning department.
And here is me thinking voting Tory is the best option!
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The Tories will make the country safer will they? Is it not stating the blindly obvious again that they have been in power for 7 years and the attacks are getting more frequent.
Removing control orders on terrorist suspects so they can go fight for MI6 in Libya. Cutting community policing by 20000 so the police dont have contacts and dont know whats going on in these communities. Cutting police budgets by 4% each year so those who are left have less resources.
Selling arms to the Saudis and Turkey - which then find there way to ISIS.
Increasing our involvement in foreign wars with no idea or plan for a political settlement afterwards.
This is all without the decling job prospects and increasing racial hatred against foreign communities in this time that acts as a recruiter.
Do you not think decisions like that have consequences?
Go on. Vote for 5 years more of that and 5 years more decline, poverty, isolation and cuts if you want. Where is the Tory plan to make our country better and safer, I haven't seen it. All I have seen are plans to make the rich, richer and budgets cheaper.
Oh but Jeremy Corbyn wont drop a nuclear bomb on them!!!
Wilts just on your first line. Yes the Tories wil do something, they will continue to try whereas the Pacifists in other parties will lay down, if this knocks on your door after Thursday just see who you will blame if Fairy parties get in power, I shall now read the rest of yours
Yes, the Tories are setting up a Commission to wave in their faces.
I'd rather have the extra feet on the ground that Labour want to have.
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In her speach today outside No10 may used the term 'jihadi Islamists'
that's the first time I recall her ever using that term as all leaders apart from trump have been side stepping this issue .
So basically she in public had just said what tommy Robinson has been saying on a public stage since 2011 and he got deemed a racist and bigot by many.
As for the army and armed police been out on the streets 24/24 and 7/7 iam happy with that .
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Just been looking at the Cheif Constables financial report online you can then download a 'Workforce planning' document Current strength in South Yorks is 2450 Officers a reduction of 400 since 2011' they can reduce to 2200 but 2019 to reach their 'Efficiency target'.
Chuffing spiders! When and who said SYP were efficient! It's like the Emporers new Suit in their workforce planning department.
And here is me thinking voting Tory is the best option!
If you think 'efficiency target' or that other old chestnut 'efficiency savings' are anything to do with efficiency then you've fallen for the BS. When you hear a politician say they've identified 'efficiency savings' they've done no such thing. What they've identified is the cuts they can make in - in this case - the Police budget. They have no idea how those savings are to be made or what effect they will have, all they care about is cutting the money. They pass the buck down the ladder to the person who gets the reduced budget and when things go tits up because the service deteriorates, it's also the Police's fault not theirs.
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Might look at the Met one if it rains!🚀
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OMG Jessie Corbyn not happy with the shoot to kill policy re Terrorist attacks!
But it's alright for them to kill people on our streets!
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OMG Jessie Corbyn not happy with the shoot to kill policy re Terrorist attacks!
But it's alright for them to kill people on our streets!
Please tell me that this is not true
Corbyn and like minded are a fcuking disgrace .
His comments if true on shot to kill will cost him any chance in the elections
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The first Police officer on the scene took on all three terrorists, he's now in a serious condition in hospital. Now if that Police Officer was armed as all Police Officers should be, those three scumbags would probably have been wasted earlier and potentially daved lives
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Just been looking at the Cheif Constables financial report online you can then download a 'Workforce planning' document Current strength in South Yorks is 2450 Officers a reduction of 400 since 2011' they can reduce to 2200 but 2019 to reach their 'Efficiency target'.
Chuffing spiders! When and who said SYP were efficient! It's like the Emporers new Suit in their workforce planning department.
And here is me thinking voting Tory is the best option!
I served 1974 to 2001 and there were only 2600 total now if you divide that total into a quarter you get 645 per shift for the total county THEN take away how many? that were in offices etc and I bet you would be struggling for 400 for the County, so they altered shifts to 12 hours which would give at most 600 per shift. When I was walking Bawtry on nights, there were on several occasions no cars at Rossington with drivers and the nearest car was Armthorpe or Edlington OR Harworth which was in Notts. Nothing has really changed, the numbers are defined by population. BUT that was before Govt cut backs. I hope this helps
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It was a comment from November. He's said the police saved lives today and he can probably see that 3 men with suicide vests on needed shooting, you couldn't arrest them. The right wing are just using something he said months ago when last night was a bit different situation to the France attacks he was asked about.
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If you're a suspected football hooligan you get passport confiscated and movements restricted, and these extremist f**kers are allowed to roam around freely, total f**king madness!
We're OK though, your mate Jeremy will have a chat with them....
Hardly the time for Political point scoring is it, but then again a Tory never passes up a chance to get a dig in
Actually it's exactly the time. It's the time where the country needs to know what the people wanting to set these rules and laws actually think and would do.
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Why is there this perpetual myth that the Tories are the party of law and order? It's utter bollox. Between March 2010 and 2015 police numbers were cut by 12% which equates to around 17,000 officers by the Tory government.
Experts in this field acknowledge that community policing is vital to defeating terrorism and yet they continue to cut back. Also, it should be pointed out that the highest number of police officers in the UK was in 2009 when Labour were in power. Still trust the Tories?
Anyway, none of this will help the poor buggers who were attacked last night.
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Herbert. You are so right with your final sentence...Sadly nothing can help those poor souls. May they Rest in Peace
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next place to get attacked will be a polling station when votes are been cast .
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It was a comment from November. He's said the police saved lives today and he can probably see that 3 men with suicide vests on needed shooting, you couldn't arrest them. The right wing are just using something he said months ago when last night was a bit different situation to the France attacks he was asked about.
Donny the little twit has been saying stuff like this all of his life, he is not fit to be a British citizen.
He needs to get his sad little self over to Raqqa and talk some sense into Isis, and take a few of his mates with him,Diane Abbot John McDonnel etc,
And while they're at it Teresa May can go along too.!
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Just been looking at the Cheif Constables financial report online you can then download a 'Workforce planning' document Current strength in South Yorks is 2450 Officers a reduction of 400 since 2011' they can reduce to 2200 but 2019 to reach their 'Efficiency target'.
Chuffing spiders! When and who said SYP were efficient! It's like the Emporers new Suit in their workforce planning department.
And here is me thinking voting Tory is the best option!
I served 1974 to 2001 and there were only 2600 total now if you divide that total into a quarter you get 645 per shift for the total county THEN take away how many? that were in offices etc and I bet you would be struggling for 400 for the County, so they altered shifts to 12 hours which would give at most 600 per shift. When I was walking Bawtry on nights, there were on several occasions no cars at Rossington with drivers and the nearest car was Armthorpe or Edlington OR Harworth which was in Notts. Nothing has really changed, the numbers are defined by population. BUT that was before Govt cut backs. I hope this helps
Bally there are 2,450 Police officer in SYP not 2,600
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OMG Jessie Corbyn not happy with the shoot to kill policy re Terrorist attacks!
But it's alright for them to kill people on our streets!
Please tell me that this is not true
Corbyn and like minded are a fcuking disgrace .
His comments if true on shot to kill will cost him any chance in the elections
The BBC Trust investigated this story on Corbyn and found it to be inaccurate and partisan. Laura Kuenssberg (the BBC journalist who reported the story) clearly doesn't like Labour or Jeremy Corbyn.
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RIGHT...I DO NOT CARE IF THIS OFFENDS
The ones involved are products of "Free Speech" They are the products of " Cowards in this Country who do not dare to stand up to such atrocities people like Corbyn and also the leader of Lib Dems, like it or not Farage was right. Trump is right "PUT OUR OWN COUNTRY FIRST" The actions this last fortnight will win the Election for the Tories and I will tell you why. They are the only party who are saying "they are killing us so we kill them" They have given the Police the right to shoot to kill and Corbyn says Trident? is not needed. What is needed to any lily fairies is a strong policy - Bring back all overseas personnel from all BFPO except Gib and Falklands, defend this country from within, there is sufficient MOD properties vacant that can rehouse them and let them spend their money in England instead of foreign economies, stop all overseas aid to corrupt countries or those who home Terrorists.
The military to assist Police in Patrols (If it offends people tough) If the baddie kills people around you then I kill the baddie are you going to scream for my blood or shall I let them towards you and let them kill you or your children,
NOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE NOW THINKING THE SAME, OR SHOULD WE IGNORE THE POOR VICTIMS, how much longer before their is an atrocities and attacks on Christians whilst attending a Sunday Service,
THE TORIES WILL WIN THIS ELECTION BECAUSE IF THEY DO NOT THIS COUNTRY WILL BE IN A WORSE STATE THAN EVER - SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO GET A GRIP AND IMO THERESA MAY IS GETTING IT RIGHT. She fighting an election and is trying to clear the path to dump the Europeans, to get our own Bill of Rights and not cower to the Germans or French. This is for discussion and I have not really read much of the points as above because my mind was already made up as soon as I read the headlines this morning
Now next season there will be searches of fans going into grounds, The fairies will not like it and complain as they have done on the Black Bank this season, but who is to blame????? Well as I have posted elsewhere, all of us, for closing our eyes and not wanting to be seen as a squealer or a Grasser.
Well despite all this and believe me I have no mercy for the scum who are dealing in death, I shall now go to Mass this morning with my daughter because all I really have is my religion,Nobody will take that away..
NEVER MIND COMMENTS SUCH AS "WELL YOU WERE A COPPER BLAH BLAH BLAH" I am no longer a Policeman and my views either in the Police or now have never been different. Corbyn says he has never had a meeting with the IRA but admits speaking with Sinn Fein, err Adams and Mc Guinness were leaders of the Political Branch of the IRA
Nothing offensive there Bally agree with all that
We tiptoe around in case we offend people
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OMG Jessie Corbyn not happy with the shoot to kill policy re Terrorist attacks!
But it's alright for them to kill people on our streets!
Please tell me that this is not true
Corbyn and like minded are a fcuking disgrace .
His comments if true on shot to kill will cost him any chance in the elections
The BBC Trust investigated this story on Corbyn and found it to be inaccurate and partisan. Laura Kuenssberg (the BBC journalist who reported the story) clearly doesn't like Labour or Jeremy Corbyn.
She's poison when it comes to reporting on Corbyn, or Labour in general for that matter. I thought news reporting was supposed to deal with fact but she's very adept at presenting her opinion and making it sound like she is reporting facts.
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It was a comment from November. He's said the police saved lives today and he can probably see that 3 men with suicide vests on needed shooting, you couldn't arrest them. The right wing are just using something he said months ago when last night was a bit different situation to the France attacks he was asked about.
The right wing media have been stuff like this for years, trouble is guillible people read this crap and believe everything that is written.
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I don't necessarily agree that Kuenssberg is as biased against Corbyn, however she seems to have an eye for a tabloid headline and isn't afraid to twist the facts to create a story where there isn't one. The Corbyn shoot-to-kill story is one notable example of that, where Corbyn's answer was essentially edited onto a different question to create a story out of nothing. You expect it from the tabloids, not from the BBC though.
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Fools that are like minded as redj don't help with his outlook ''funny how your quick to assume it's a Muslim attack"
Sorry but just because someone's attacked others and I don't automatically assume "Muslim" I need a different outlook on life? alright pal.
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Fair enough points Sproty but what it should emphasise is how vital it is we have a deal with the EU so that we retain our access to the EU Police Information database and have joint security arrangements with them.
Wilts I understand the Schengen information sharing agreement is stand alone, it has nothing to do with us trading eith EU countries.
I took the info from here Sproty. The problem is we dont know what effect No Deal is going to have and if it will put things like access to that database at risk. If we are not paying to keep it running etc...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-election-2017-tories-eu-data-sharing-scheme-risks-pulling-out-warning-a7769876.html
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It was a comment from November. He's said the police saved lives today and he can probably see that 3 men with suicide vests on needed shooting, you couldn't arrest them. The right wing are just using something he said months ago when last night was a bit different situation to the France attacks he was asked about.
Donny with respect you spout some shite
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It was a comment from November. He's said the police saved lives today and he can probably see that 3 men with suicide vests on needed shooting, you couldn't arrest them. The right wing are just using something he said months ago when last night was a bit different situation to the France attacks he was asked about.
Donny with respect you spout some shite
The interview he's on about was investigated by the BBC Trust and found to be misleading and inaccurate so no, he doesn't.
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Just been looking at the Cheif Constables financial report online you can then download a 'Workforce planning' document Current strength in South Yorks is 2450 Officers a reduction of 400 since 2011' they can reduce to 2200 but 2019 to reach their 'Efficiency target'.
Chuffing spiders! When and who said SYP were efficient! It's like the Emporers new Suit in their workforce planning department.
And here is me thinking voting Tory is the best option!
I trust you researched 1974
I served 1974 to 2001 and there were only 2600 total now if you divide that total into a quarter you get 645 per shift for the total county THEN take away how many? that were in offices etc and I bet you would be struggling for 400 for the County, so they altered shifts to 12 hours which would give at most 600 per shift. When I was walking Bawtry on nights, there were on several occasions no cars at Rossington with drivers and the nearest car was Armthorpe or Edlington OR Harworth which was in Notts. Nothing has really changed, the numbers are defined by population. BUT that was before Govt cut backs. I hope this helps
Bally there are 2,450 Police officer in SYP not 2,600
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It was a comment from November. He's said the police saved lives today and he can probably see that 3 men with suicide vests on needed shooting, you couldn't arrest them. The right wing are just using something he said months ago when last night was a bit different situation to the France attacks he was asked about.
Donny with respect you spout some shite
The interview he's on about was investigated by the BBC Trust and found to be misleading and inaccurate so no, he doesn't.
Merci x
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It was a comment from November. He's said the police saved lives today and he can probably see that 3 men with suicide vests on needed shooting, you couldn't arrest them. The right wing are just using something he said months ago when last night was a bit different situation to the France attacks he was asked about.
The right wing media have been stuff like this for years, trouble is guillible people read this crap and believe everything that is written.
Of course none of the left wing media tell tall stories do they?
Maybe some gullible people do actually believe what is written by them.
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As I posted on the other thread, I am sure that for accuracy and to remove any doubt whatsoever about Corbyn's position on 'shoot to kill' there will be a big rush of people wishing to post links to this interview he gave today - but hey I have saved you the trouble:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/london-bridge-terror-attack-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-police-cuts-protect-public-cheap-general-a7772621.html
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As I posted on the other thread, I am sure that for accuracy and to remove any doubt whatsoever about Corbyn's position on 'shoot to kill' there will be a big rush of people wishing to post links to this interview he gave today - but hey I have saved you the trouble:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/london-bridge-terror-attack-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-police-cuts-protect-public-cheap-general-a7772621.html
For Corbin to have ever said he wasn't sure about a shoot to kill policy on terrorists says all we need to know about him.
It doesn't matter what he says he will do if he wins the election though because he won't win of course.
Promise the earth Jeremy, promise the earth.
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I generalized, by stating BFPO I knew exactly where it was. I will put it another way. All overseas British military personnel bring back, There are many here stating the cut in Police numbers have made security harder so bring back every one and put boots on our street, you cannot defend this country by fighting in IRAQ, IRAN AFGHANISTAN or anywhere, you defend from within. It would also increase the economy of this country. The Government are planning forward, they are building just one or is it two Aircraft Carriers that have jets that are fast and have accurate weapons to do a job, the navy will have, is it just four Nuclear subs but they can fire missiles that can go anywhere .
I think if I had said this long drawn out bit you may have understood.
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On two way family favourites it was always Britich Forces Posted Overseas. 😉
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Yes Sundays at 12 noon I seem to remember until 2pm
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Them were the days.
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yep we were nearly always B.A.O.R. British Army On the Rhine .
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As I posted on the other thread, I am sure that for accuracy and to remove any doubt whatsoever about Corbyn's position on 'shoot to kill' there will be a big rush of people wishing to post links to this interview he gave today - but hey I have saved you the trouble:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/london-bridge-terror-attack-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-police-cuts-protect-public-cheap-general-a7772621.html
For Corbin to have ever said he wasn't sure about a shoot to kill policy on terrorists says all we need to know about him.
It doesn't matter what he says he will do if he wins the election though because he won't win of course.
Promise the earth Jeremy, promise the earth.
If they've got a bomb - shoot to kill.
No bomb - arrest, interrogate and find out potential other people in their terrorist cell.
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How do the police know if they've got a bomb?
What if they've got knives?
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Yep, and then keep them in prison at our expense until they die of old age.
Great idea.
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Loose any chance of interrogating them, finding out who their contacts are, and letting more undetected highly dangerous people loose in our communities - brilliant idea!
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The police should ask them if they are wearing a suicide bomb jacket or carrying a gun or a knife. If they answer 'no' to all three questions, the police should arrest them. Alternatively, if they answer yes to any of the questions, the police should shoot them dead.
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There you go, you passed the interview - when can you start?
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One of the most dangerous extreme Muslim man to British society is housed in. A safe house with 24 hour police protection outside his house and CCTV cameras mounted on the house within the U.K.
The said house is paid for by the tax payer ,and this man wants to cause havoc on the streets of the U.K.
Think about that .
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The police should ask them if they are wearing a suicide bomb jacket or carrying a gun or a knife. If they answer 'no' to all three questions, the police should arrest them. Alternatively, if they answer yes to any of the questions, the police should shoot them dead.
Why shoot to kill if they are carring a knife or gun? Our police are training to take suspects down without killing them even if they are carrying such weapons? And like Wilts mentioned, surely it's in our interest to be able to interrogate and potentially discover information about for example other plots
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There you go, you passed the interview - when can you start?
As soon as it's confirmed that you're not a member of British intelligence service.
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Shot to kill policy is only way forward
Look at how effective it was with the French armed police man the other day .
This is for A > bang > drop > dead > no court case no human rights no prison no tax burden on France.
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The police should ask them if they are wearing a suicide bomb jacket or carrying a gun or a knife. If they answer 'no' to all three questions, the police should arrest them. Alternatively, if they answer yes to any of the questions, the police should shoot them dead.
Why shoot to kill if they are carring a knife or gun? Our police are training to take suspects down without killing them even if they are carrying such weapons? And like Wilts mentioned, surely it's in our interest to be able to interrogate and potentially discover information about for example other plots
And what if the policeman thinks the suspect is lying when he says he isn't wearing a suicide bomb jacket!
And as for it being in our interest to be able to interrogate and potentially discover information about, for example, other plots, why not do this before known potential terrorists get to the stage of committing actual terrorism?
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And as for the Millwall football fan who's thuggish behaviour led to three poor terrorists being stopped in their tracks, there's no wonder the government put travel restrictions on football hooligans.
It's enough to make you ashamed to be English
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Don't ask just shot .we have to go on the police officers judgement .
Just think of the out cry when a officer has the option to gun a terrorist down while asking the question yes or no to a bomb or vest .
Officer gives terrorist a pass with a no ,then boom nails nuts bolts flying all over the place killing untold and very serious injurys .
Iam not into this arrest them so that they can question them about this and that .they seem to have pulled in 19 was it after the Manchester terror attack .some were released others held longer with reason.
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Shot to kill policy is only way forward
Look at how effective it was with the French armed police man the other day .
This is for A > bang > drop > dead > no court case no human rights no prison no tax burden on France.
I thought the attacker was being treated in hospital? They didn't shoot to kill.
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Are the police themselves asking for the guidelines and training regarding when and how to shoot to be changed at all? If not, let them stand. They seem to work pretty well when followed properly. They're the ones who risk their lives in these situations after all, the last thing we need to do is cause confusion just to pander to the public.
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Shot to kill policy is only way forward
Look at how effective it was with the French armed police man the other day .
This is for A > bang > drop > dead > no court case no human rights no prison no tax burden on France.
I thought the attacker was being treated in hospital? They didn't shoot to kill.
Nope that's just left wing propaganda...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/06/paris-police-shoot-man-who-attacked-officer-outside-notre-dame-cathedral
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As I posted on the other thread, I am sure that for accuracy and to remove any doubt whatsoever about Corbyn's position on 'shoot to kill' there will be a big rush of people wishing to post links to this interview he gave today - but hey I have saved you the trouble:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/london-bridge-terror-attack-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-police-cuts-protect-public-cheap-general-a7772621.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/london-bridge-terror-attack-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-police-cuts-protect-public-cheap-general-a7772621.html)
For Corbin to have ever said he wasn't sure about a shoot to kill policy on terrorists says all we need to know about him.
It doesn't matter what he says he will do if he wins the election though because he won't win of course.
Promise the earth Jeremy, promise the earth.
If they've got a bomb - shoot to kill.
No bomb - arrest, interrogate and find out potential other people in their terrorist cell.
And then shoot the bas**rds, then we don't have them taking up a prison cell at taxpayers' expense. Win Win!
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Shot to kill policy is only way forward
Look at how effective it was with the French armed police man the other day .
This is for A > bang > drop > dead > no court case no human rights no prison no tax burden on France.
I could be wrong wilts ,if so it not be first or last time ,but they did shot him whatever way .
I thought the attacker was being treated in hospital? They didn't shoot to kill.
Nope that's just left wing propaganda...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/06/paris-police-shoot-man-who-attacked-officer-outside-notre-dame-cathedral
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Anything other than a shoot to kill is crap as shoot to wound only happens on movies. An injured assailant can still kill.
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As I understand it, as police are trained to shoot to kill by shooting at the body; there's more chance of hitting and incapacitating the target. However, if there is a chance they're wearing a bomb jacket, would the instruction still be to shoot at the body? Is there a chance a bullet hitting it might set the bomb off? Or would they be told to shoot for another part of the body with less chance of hitting the target? Just wondering.
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Loose any chance of interrogating them, finding out who their contacts are, and letting more undetected highly dangerous people loose in our communities - brilliant idea!
Has anyone seen the video of the copper being brought down and stabbed by those three terrorists?
He was lucky to escape with his life.
His colleagues moved in and shot them dead.
Although they were "only armed with knives" as bobjimwilly has argued it was a situation where lives were being lost and shoot to kill had to be the option.
Even if they had been captured and interrogated who can say for sure that any evidence could have been extracted from them that would have been beneficial to the authorities?
As i and others have said, we then have to keep them under lock and key until they die or worse still, ISIS capture some Brits and demand that we give them back their men in exchange for the Brit hostage(s) otherwise we have to see another of those dreadful beheading videos.
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If ISIS capture British hostages the last we'll ever see of them will be footage from ISIS' cameras.
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Shot to kill policy is only way forward
Look at how effective it was with the French armed police man the other day .
This is for A > bang > drop > dead > no court case no human rights no prison no tax burden on France.
I could be wrong wilts ,if so it not be first or last time ,but they did shot him whatever way .
I thought the attacker was being treated in hospital? They didn't shoot to kill.
Nope that's just left wing propaganda...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/06/paris-police-shoot-man-who-attacked-officer-outside-notre-dame-cathedral
There is a difference between shooting and shooting to kill. Surely even you can see that.
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If ISIS capture British hostages the last we'll ever see of them will be footage from ISIS' cameras.
TBF mate, it would be a big coup for a group like ISIS to get prisoners released in exchange for hostages wouldn't it.
Much kudos to them if they got say, the UK to bow to them and get this type of thing done.
It has precedence in the world of terrorism.
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If ISIS capture British hostages the last we'll ever see of them will be footage from ISIS' cameras.
TBF mate, it would be a big coup for a group like ISIS to get prisoners released in exchange for hostages wouldn't it.
Much kudos to them if they got say, the UK to bow to them and get this type of thing done.
It has precedence in the world of terrorism.
Not disagreeing with what you're saying, but after that Alan Henning affair they strike me as the type to hang onto people and toy with you then slaughter them when you think you're making a breakthrough.
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Loose any chance of interrogating them, finding out who their contacts are, and letting more undetected highly dangerous people loose in our communities - brilliant idea!
Has anyone seen the video of the copper being brought down and stabbed by those three terrorists?
He was lucky to escape with his life.
His colleagues moved in and shot them dead.
Although they were "only armed with knives" as bobjimwilly has argued it was a situation where lives were being lost and shoot to kill had to be the option.
Even if they had been captured and interrogated who can say for sure that any evidence could have been extracted from them that would have been beneficial to the authorities?
As i and others have said, we then have to keep them under lock and key until they die or worse still, ISIS capture some Brits and demand that we give them back their men in exchange for the Brit hostage(s) otherwise we have to see another of those dreadful beheading videos.
Yes I've seen the CCTV footage, much respect for those firearms officers, wasted all three of them within seconds of jumping out of the car. The car was still moving down the street driverless as he had also jumped out. A very impressive responce and having split seconds to make the decision.
It's a shame now that the officers are suspended from duty while the IPCC investigates
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Bang on Filo and that is why many police officers are not wanting to carry firearms because there are people who are keen to see someone arrested for murder when they were only doing their job.
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Do you two have any evidence for that claim?
'No individual officer is under investigation' and 'the men returned to duty to take part in the manhunt it says here'.
https://www.policeoracle.com/news/terrorism_and_allied_matters/2017/Jun/06/IPCC-investigation-into-London-Bridge-terror-shootings-underway_94935.html
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/07/london-bridge-attack-cctv-shows-fatal-clash-between-police-and-terrorists