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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: albie on June 04, 2017, 05:06:56 pm
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As Home Secretary, Amber Rudd has responsibility for oversight of the security services.
Decisions taken by Rudd, and the previous Home Secretary Theresa May, will be in the spotlight when it comes to a review of events leading up to the recent attacks.
Rudd is mired in controversy for her personal financial arrangements. This blog post sets out some of the allegations;
Amber Rudd Really Is that Horrible - Craig Murray (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/05/ambder-rudd-really-horrible/)
Now I don't know how much there is to answer for, but the wide berth the mainstream media have given this is a cause for concern. At the very least there should be questions raised about the suitability of Rudd for public office.
Imagine if Jeremy Corbyn had been in the frame for the same. I am not sure the BBC and Sky News are playing this with a straight bat.
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Written by Craig Murray (the link), a man with an axe to grind and a not whiter than white history.
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And you know this how Hound? I've never heard of either the story or of Craig Murray. Some evidence would be nice. I don't mean to doubt your opnion, but I'd like a little more than simply an opinion before I line up alongside your point of view - especially as Mr Murray's story provides references and information with which it is easy to check the substance of what he claims. Right now his version is in the pound seats Hound unless and until you can provide evidence of equal or greater worth that Amber Rudd is all sweetness , honesty and light. I'd love to see it tbh because it would entirely change the mood music of the last 7 years....
Cheers
BobG
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Bob, i haven't said that Rudd is sweetness and light.
In fact i very much doubt it, most people in her position have to be hard nosed and most people have skeletons in the cupboard.
As for Craig Murray, just look him up, it is easy enough to do.
There is one particularly nasty thing about getting Uk Visas for women in Uzbekistan and of how they were expected to pay for those documents.
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Hound,
I agree with you that the source is important, and that sometimes information can be distorted if references and the like are not provided.
In this case however, Murray is referencing a story that was in the print edition of "Private Eye", the mag Ian Hislop edits. Private Eye only has a skeleton online version, because they want you to buy the mag, so Murray has taken the story and linked to the sources where possible.
Even if you do not think Craig Murray a reliable source, then surely the content deserves consideration.
You would not blame the postman for delivering a Bill would you?
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The point I was making in the OP was whether Rudd and May, as Home Secretaries, were reliable and suitable people to be in control of security matters.
It seems like some from the inner circle of the previous Tory Government are having their doubts about May;
Theresa May must resign over 'security failures' that led to recent terror attacks, says David Cameron's former policy guru | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-resign-security-failures-steve-hilton-london-attack-manchester-westminster-terror-david-a7772931.html)
I don't know what to think.
Too many questions, and nowhere near enough answers!
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I would not say that Murray isn't a credible source.
Of course the content is worthy of consideration but it should be read with caution.
After all he himself has some issues which could cloud his own judgement and reasons for having a go at Rudd and her politics.
As i said earlier, most people have some skeletons in the cupboard, i know i do.
Again, the Independent is a far left newspaper so they obviously want to stir it for May.
You are right to conclude that there are far too many questions and for sure, none of us on here know all the answers.
As for the postman, yes i would blame him ;)
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The Independent is far left? Is it heck. The media's political compass is skewed due to how far right it leans. There are only 2 left leaning papers. The Mirror and The Guardian (and even that is debatable at times). Now, where did I leave my copy of Socialist Worker.....
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Again, the Independent is a far left newspaper so they obviously want to stir it for May.
I was going to write a full reply to the topic header but having got down as far as that comment I now have to clean up the full cup of tea I have spilt all over mesen and the carpet. I think I need to fan myself with a copy of the Morning Star before I clear it cup, I'm feeling a bit faint....anybody got one?
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Google "left newspapers uk".
The Guardian, Independant and Observer are the most left leaning.
For some strange reason they dont list the Mirror as one of them.
If you google "how far left or right wing are the mainstring newspapers"
as the third most left wing paper, behind the Guardian and the Mirror.
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Google "left newspapers uk".
The Guardian, Independant and Observer are the most left leaning.
For some strange reason they dont list the Mirror as one of them.
If you google "how far left or right wing are the mainstring newspapers"
as the third most left wing paper, behind the Guardian and the Mirror.
You mean the list at the top of the page when you put that into Google?
Try clicking the 'more items...' link!
You'll then see the full list. And also that it's just some random bloke posting on The Student Room forum. I find it hard to think that anyone believes that to be a definitive list of the political position of UK newspapers, it's almost as bad as someone who quotes it without even looking at the page it comes from!
On top of that, you'll also see the date it was written and how old it is. Clue: it includes the News Of The World on the list!
Are you sure you want us to take the second as gospel too? It says the Independent is 4% hard left - and that hardly backs you up at all.
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Who buys newspapers these days as the sell of newspapers must have fallen through the floor.
If your team wins a cup final or you are yourself are on a report you will purchase a copy.
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I haven't seen anyone mentioning this excrutiating interview as yet. Seems to be a case of Amber Rudd going missing and somebody I have never heard off being put up to defend the indefensible. These are the people we trust to keep us safe!
Looking forward to hound telling us all how its all a left wing propoganda by that noted left wing political commentator, Piers Morgan, on that noted left wing biased website, The Huffington Post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/karen-bradley-repeatedly-refuses-answer-if-armed-police-numbers-have-fallen-under-the-tories_uk_5935097be4b02478cb9cd71d
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Google "left newspapers uk".
The Guardian, Independant and Observer are the most left leaning.
For some strange reason they dont list the Mirror as one of them.
If you google "how far left or right wing are the mainstring newspapers"
as the third most left wing paper, behind the Guardian and the Mirror.
You mean the list at the top of the page when you put that into Google?
Try clicking the 'more items...' link!
You'll then see the full list. And also that it's just some random bloke posting on The Student Room forum. I find it hard to think that anyone believes that to be a definitive list of the political position of UK newspapers, it's almost as bad as someone who quotes it without even looking at the page it comes from!
On top of that, you'll also see the date it was written and how old it is. Clue: it includes the News Of The World on the list!
Are you sure you want us to take the second as gospel too? It says the Independent is 4% hard left - and that hardly backs you up at all.
.....and if you read the chart correctly instead of selectively you would mention that the red figures add up to a 43% bias to the left against a 21% right.
As the article originally appeared in the Times it is highly unlikely to have been posted by some random student is it.
As for when it was written, well have any of the newspapers changed much since then.
Is the Mirror right wing these days.
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Interesting take on the rising crime stats from those liberal lefties known as the police:
https://twitter.com/JeremyCorbyn4PM/status/871702220806529024 (https://twitter.com/JeremyCorbyn4PM/status/871702220806529024)
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Ah but it's from a pro Corbyn account so it must be doctored and biased.
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I think a general reset might be in order Hound. You have ended up defending the indefensible through a failure to grasp that opinion is not fact, and, by not looking closely enough at your sources. If there is evidence only a fool would gainsay it no matter what their personal preferences and predilections. That's why I said, truly, that I would really welcome seeing the evidence that led you to the position you hold. But risible attempts to justify what cannot be justified simply end up making your whole argument fatuous. Just read your last post for example. It's manifestly wrong. And that undermines the credibility of the whole of your argument. Do you not think the politics of the Evening Standard have changed suddenly and quite noticeably recently? They're still changing! Others change too. The Independent has moved to the right since it's gone online. Nothing stays the same. Ever. You could have avoided such damning mistakes by thinking with your brain rather than your emotions. We all think with our emotions sometimes. I know I do. But serious subjects deserve, demand, serious thought. You might be absolutely right Hound. But without proper and valid evidence very few are going to believe you.
Cheers
BobG
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Google "left newspapers uk".
The Guardian, Independant and Observer are the most left leaning.
For some strange reason they dont list the Mirror as one of them.
If you google "how far left or right wing are the mainstring newspapers"
as the third most left wing paper, behind the Guardian and the Mirror.
You mean the list at the top of the page when you put that into Google?
Try clicking the 'more items...' link!
You'll then see the full list. And also that it's just some random bloke posting on The Student Room forum. I find it hard to think that anyone believes that to be a definitive list of the political position of UK newspapers, it's almost as bad as someone who quotes it without even looking at the page it comes from!
On top of that, you'll also see the date it was written and how old it is. Clue: it includes the News Of The World on the list!
Are you sure you want us to take the second as gospel too? It says the Independent is 4% hard left - and that hardly backs you up at all.
.....and if you read the chart correctly instead of selectively you would mention that the red figures add up to a 43% bias to the left against a 21% right.
As the article originally appeared in the Times it is highly unlikely to have been posted by some random student is it.
As for when it was written, we'll have any of the newspapers changed much since then.
Is the Mirror right wing these days.
When you Google 'left newspaper uk' as you asked us to, the list you quoted that didn't list the Mirror at the top of the page is that from The Student Room. Obviously you still haven't looked at it properly. And this what you yourself directed us to do.
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Glyn, you are obviously someone who loves to pick an argument, especially with me right now.
The stuff i was writing about can easily be found with a bit of intelligence but you choose to go to the letter.
I am sorry to say though that i will put an end to your fun and stop getting involved with your petty posts.
I really should have known better than to get involved in the first place knowing what a **** you can be.
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I chose to go with exactly with what you told us to do so see what basis you were talking on...now you're saying that that wasn't the intelligent thing to do?
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DRFChound > glynn is a ultra heavy weight at this and it will only end up one way as he is more persistent than persistent .
Every time he lays his cards on the table he pulls out 4 aces with 4 more aces up his sleeves .
Glynn is out of your league and he is well out of my league I even think that Glynn is out of his league.
You are paddock pub Sunday league as Glynn is champions league .
He had proved me wrong that many times that it effects my speellling ,don't let it happen to you .
This is why I think Glynn would make a great politician as when he types or speaks there are aces on hand left right and centre .
Now stick that cow Diane Abbott on a stand with Glynn on another stand next to her ,and no matter the subject Abbott would be left in a coma due to main fact that Glynn does his homework .
Quit while you still know what day it is ,or have thick skin and broad shoulders like me.
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Get a room.😉
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Get a room.😉
And if I did Glynn would be sat in exact same room to back his point .
Iam happy in this room ducking and diving as one does .
No matter how many times you are wrong ,it's far better to be wrong in a full room than a empty room .
Think I will put a patent number on that bit of poerty\shakesphere/genius or whatever it comes under.
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I would not say that Murray isn't a credible source.
Of course the content is worthy of consideration but it should be read with caution.
After all he himself has some issues which could cloud his own judgement and reasons for having a go at Rudd and her politics.
As i said earlier, most people have some skeletons in the cupboard, i know i do.
Again, the Independent is a far left newspaper so they obviously want to stir it for May.
You are right to conclude that there are far too many questions and for sure, none of us on here know all the answers.
As for the postman, yes i would blame him ;)
Do you know what Far Left means hound because it certainly ISN'T the INDY !! ffs man.
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DRFChound > glynn is a ultra heavy weight at this and it will only end up one way as he is more persistent than persistent .
Every time he lays his cards on the table he pulls out 4 aces with 4 more aces up his sleeves .
Glynn is out of your league and he is well out of my league I even think that Glynn is out of his league.
You are paddock pub Sunday league as Glynn is champions league .
He had proved me wrong that many times that it effects my speellling ,don't let it happen to you .
This is why I think Glynn would make a great politician as when he types or speaks there are aces on hand left right and centre .
Now stick that cow Diane Abbott on a stand with Glynn on another stand next to her ,and no matter the subject Abbott would be left in a coma due to main fact that Glynn does his homework .
Quit while you still know what day it is ,or have thick skin and broad shoulders like me.
You may see him a big shot NOF but I see a different picture.
I see the know it all schoolboy with all the answers who was bullied.
As a result the kid removes himself to his room and keeps himself to himself, devouring knowledge from his books and computer which he now uses to try to intimidate people with from the safety of his keyboard.
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Fcuk me DRFChound that's quite deep thinking and I never looked at it from that point of view .
If that is the case then Glynn would not make a good mp as you can't do that just from your bedroom ,but he still do a much better job than that car crash abbott > who was at it again the other day with her Harris report interview on sky news.
And to make matters worse for her she has called in sick today or a person or persons that run the Labour PR office have pulled her in out of the public stage in hope she can't cause more damage before Election Day.
Just think how she talk herself into a straight jacket if she held a place in a Labour government .
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Deep? I've seen deeper puddles.
And I'd love to know who he thinks I've 'intimidated'! Have you ever felt that I've done that to you, NOF?
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Got under my skin yes ,but Iam now taking medication for that as I got some anti Glynn pils on the black market and they work wonders .
As for been intimidated ,I have not had that experience todate unless I have missed something.
Said this before about internet chat room just like this > never take the first post what a poster puts up > it the posts that follow by said poster where you get a more clear intention .
Proof in the pudding > look at the recent burn a mosque issue > the bloke was angry > got slated > he re read his post and noticed he steeped over a line > then made another post to say sorry .
That last act tells you all more about the poster in question than any other post he has put up on here .
The issue I have is that many chaps were quick to jump down his throat and not just sit back and think > either his account has been hacked or he had had a serious bang on his head going on all previous posts.
It's like when you watch an old black/white cowboy film in the desert and you see numerous vultcherx up in the sky doing circles waiting for the kill moment.then said vultures swoop down and eat the poor fcuker up.
But every fcuker enjoys to see the outburst then the fallout afterwards > just keep an eye on thread review numbers > it's what guves the forum some backbone .
Just think hiw crap of non eventful this p,ace would be if it was full of left wing snowflakes giving each other high fives all night.
On that note when is mr syme allowed back on
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Deep? I've seen deeper puddles.
And I'd love to know who he thinks I've 'intimidated'! Have you ever felt that I've done that to you, NOF?
I can't swim so it was deep for me
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Just think hiw crap of non eventful this p,ace would be if it was full of left wing snowflakes giving each other high fives all night.
On that note when is mr syme allowed back on
Yes, it would be full of right wing nutters making up 'facts' and promoting violence against innocent people .
With regard to the vicar's post, I knew it was out of character for him so I didn't bother replying. If other posters didnt realise that then they were more than right to condemn it. It would appear that the vicar only realised how abhorent the post was when he read the comments about it.
What is interesting is why some regular posters had little to say on the issue. Does that mean they agree with it?
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good (wo)men to do nothing.
I don't think Syme is banned is he - just chooses not to post?
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Sad rovers said syme was banned a couple of weeks back in a thread .
Personally I would have him back if it is the case .
Put up a thread asking if he was banned and nothing came of it just speculation .
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I think a general reset might be in order Hound. You have ended up defending the indefensible through a failure to grasp that opinion is not fact, and, by not looking closely enough at your sources. If there is evidence only a fool would gainsay it no matter what their personal preferences and predilections. That's why I said, truly, that I would really welcome seeing the evidence that led you to the position you hold. But risible attempts to justify what cannot be justified simply end up making your whole argument fatuous. Just read your last post for example. It's manifestly wrong. And that undermines the credibility of the whole of your argument. Do you not think the politics of the Evening Standard have changed suddenly and quite noticeably recently? They're still changing! Others change too. The Independent has moved to the right since it's gone online. Nothing stays the same. Ever. You could have avoided such damning mistakes by thinking with your brain rather than your emotions. We all think with our emotions sometimes. I know I do. But serious subjects deserve, demand, serious thought. You might be absolutely right Hound. But without proper and valid evidence very few are going to believe you.
Cheers
BobG
Hi Bob, i have only just realised that you posted something a few days ago for me to read.
I felt i should reply.
You asked me to look at the last post i had done before your message and said i hadn't backed up my point, but i had done.
Glyn had said that the 4% hard left shown hardly backed up my point but i went on to point out that while only 4% was HARD left, on the chart i had been speaking about, the rest of the red on there added up to 43% against a measly 21% blue (right of course).
Glyn is very clever at making statements too that don't reflect the whole position.
I hope you are clever enough to see that as well as i do.
As for asking me about the politics of the Evening Standard, well i have no idea what their politics are as i have never picked that paper up.
As a non Labour supporter i suppose i should expect to get shouted down on this forum as it has many more Labour people than others but i have the right to voice an opinion.
PS: I do like the use of some of the more unusual words you used in your post.
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DRFChound I sooner have me left arm or leg hacked off than vote Labour during its present day set up .
Its a hard choice between them and lord such raving looney Party who i would prefer over the two.
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Glyn had said that the 4% hard left shown hardly backed up my point but i went on to point out that while only 4% was HARD left, on the chart i had been speaking about, the rest of the red on there added up to 43% against a measly 21% blue (right of course).
Glyn is very clever at making statements too that don't reflect the whole position.
I hope you are clever enough to see that as well as i do.
You called the Independent far left. Not slightly left or left-leaning, far left. And you used that link to back up your assertion that they are far left. But then you count the parts that indicate moderate-left as proving that they are far left?
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Are you still here?
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Order, Ladies and Gentlemen...the topic is Amber Rudd.
Amber told everyone to "judge us on our record" on question time, so thats what this lad has done in his blog;
Amber Rudd said "judge us on our record" so here goes ... (https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/amber-rudd-says-judge-us-on-our-record.html)
Now some of these things would have happened under Labour, I know that.
The point is Amber asked us to consider her governments record, so it is good someone has taken the time to list the areas of concern, and link to the source where appropriate.
The yawning gap in this election is the mainstream media doing any serious investigative journalism, and just staggering from press release to soundbite and back again, without proper critical oversight.
Anyway, food for thought before you cast your vote tomorrow.