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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: CrippyCooke on June 07, 2017, 12:04:54 pm
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I'd like to see your predictions for the following:
UK vote share (%)
Con:
Lab:
Lib:
SNP:
UKIP:
Green:
Seat predictions (650)
Con:
Lab:
Lib:
SNP:
UKIP:
Green:
Your constituency
Enjoy!
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Ukip will be finished Iam sure of.
Greens will keep the one seat they had .
Liberals will have less seats than a citeron berlingo .
SNP they will have minus seats ,but will still be in office up there.
Labour this lot should have asked Abbott to stand down ages ago not the day before the election and taken a few other idiots with her.
They will close the gap between red and blue but not by enough.
Tory unless they have a car crash today Abbott style they will be at No10 via a lesser seats totall ,to which in true politician style they will stand firm when saying that they had best ever election ever etc etc.
While Labour will spout off that the polls were a lot more close than the land slide predicted and demand a new election asap.
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Tory unless they have a car crash today Abbott style they will be at No10 via a lesser seats totall ,to which in true politician style they will stand firm when saying that they had best ever election ever etc etc.
If that is the case, given that the only reason given for calling a snap election was to strengthen their hand in Brexit negotiations(!), the whole thing would have been a complete and unnecessary waste of time and May should fall on her sword for getting it so wrong. Not that I'd hold my breath!
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Tory unless they have a car crash today Abbott style they will be at No10 via a lesser seats totall ,to which in true politician style they will stand firm when saying that they had best ever election ever etc etc.
If that is the case, given that the only reason given for calling a snap election was to strengthen their hand in Brexit negotiations(!), the whole thing would have been a complete and unnecessary waste of time and May should fall on her sword for getting it so wrong. Not that I'd hold my breath!
I don't really see what you are trying to say for a change fella.
Voters see the Tory and Labour policys then vote simple as ,and one with most votes gets in should it
be via a landslide or just getting over the line with a narrow victory.
A win is a win
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Their hand, Their hand? Theresa Maybe will somehow reduce what should've been over a 100 seat win into something just less than an 80 seat majority,then again i could be Billy Stubbs and say no party will have an overall majority,just as in the last election,he's another one of the experts
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I think Labour's chances just got a whole lot better with news that Dianne Abbott has stood aside for 'health' reasons....!
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Which is probably why Corbin sent her home and told her to say she is poorly.
Who appointed her anyway?
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Who appointed her anyway?
Well, we all make mastikes...
It's having the sense to recognise them and do something about it that is more important.
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So another U turn then?
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Yes, apparently Labour are the only party ever to do a U-turn in the history of politics
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Who appointed her anyway?
Well, we all make mastikes...
It's having the sense to recognise them and do something about it that is more important.
Labour would certainly call that a u turn. Or about the other 50 things they've criticised people for.
I do actually believe she's ill. Yes she's terrible but she looked ill aswell.
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I think Labour's chances just got a whole lot better with news that Dianne Abbott has stood aside for 'health' reasons....!
By all accounts some nerd hacked into her private email account yesterday making out he was the Labour Party spin doctor .
They was on the subject of her putting a sick day in yesterday after her latest car crash interview .
This nerd \labour spin doctor said she should add more to her sick nite with a made up add on of previous health conditions thag have flared up basically .
The false spin doctor claimed that corbyn gave them full backing to do so during the intereaction with Abbott.
It don't go down very well when you think that she has a shadow position at the Labour Party .just think of the situation this could have caused to national security if it had happened if labour were in at number 10.
Now I don't know if this her been really fcuking stupid or just unlucky when this nerd got into her private email.
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As I predicterised 6 weeks ago, once people got to see more of Corbyn and actually listened to what he has to offer then the more support he has got.
He is appearing more and more comfortable and relaxed while Mother Teresa looks increasingly rattled and petulant.
Whatever happens tomorrow; and I expect a Tory victory, JC can be rightly proud of the campaign he has had.
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Yes, apparently Labour are the only party ever to do a U-turn in the history of politics
Funny though that some people make a massive fuss about another party making U turns but not when their own preference does one.
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As I predicterised 6 weeks ago, once people got to see more of Corbyn and actually listened to what he has to offer then the more support he has got.
He is appearing more and more comfortable and relaxed while Mother Teresa looks increasingly rattled and petulant.
Whatever happens tomorrow; and I expect a Tory victory, JC can be rightly proud of the campaign he has had.
How can you be proud of the campaign you had if you should lose ?
I don't get it it sounds all Irish
Lost/lose/defeat/2nd place in a two horse race all = fail,no matter how it's dressed up.
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Tory unless they have a car crash today Abbott style they will be at No10 via a lesser seats totall ,to which in true politician style they will stand firm when saying that they had best ever election ever etc etc.
If that is the case, given that the only reason given for calling a snap election was to strengthen their hand in Brexit negotiations(!), the whole thing would have been a complete and unnecessary waste of time and May should fall on her sword for getting it so wrong. Not that I'd hold my breath!
I don't really see what you are trying to say for a change fella.
Voters see the Tory and Labour policys then vote simple as ,and one with most votes gets in should it
be via a landslide or just getting over the line with a narrow victory.
A win is a win
What I'm getting at is that May called this election because apparently the majority they had wasn't big enough. If they end up with about the same, what's she going to do - call yet another election because she still needs a bigger majority?
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Tory unless they have a car crash today Abbott style they will be at No10 via a lesser seats totall ,to which in true politician style they will stand firm when saying that they had best ever election ever etc etc.
If that is the case, given that the only reason given for calling a snap election was to strengthen their hand in Brexit negotiations(!), the whole thing would have been a complete and unnecessary waste of time and May should fall on her sword for getting it so wrong. Not that I'd hold my breath!
Yep - I would not hold your breath !
Mrs U Turn (no Election necessary - oops I called one anyway) would look less than "strong and stable" if after all this expense and clap trap led to almost exactly what she/they had
Hopefully they will have lesser majority than they did - even better if the others could form a Government leaving May O-U-T !. Hopefully then the Rainbow Govt could finally do the decent thing and propose AND deliver some better electoral system than the s**t one we are saddled with
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Their hand, Their hand? Theresa Maybe will somehow reduce what should've been over a 100 seat win into something just less than an 80 seat majority,then again i could be Billy Stubbs and say no party will have an overall majority,just as in the last election,he's another one of the experts
Yeah, just like all the pollsters, who also predicted no majority, got it badly wrong. They ARE the experts and they f**ked up. So why don't you stop with the personal digs at someone who's no longer on here.
FWIW I predict a Tory majority, that's the only statistic that matters. Won't be a big one, mind.
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I believe that the main issue for May was all of those people who keep pointing out that she wasn't voted in as pm. The timing arose where an increased majority looked likely as well, but I'm not convinced that was the reason in itself
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I'm predicting a hung parliament, and Mrs Strong and Stable to resign
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I believe that the main issue for May was all of those people who keep pointing out that she wasn't voted in as pm. The timing arose where an increased majority looked likely as well, but I'm not convinced that was the reason in itself
Thing is. We don't directly elect a Prime Minister. So it's b*llocks to say a Prime Minister wasn't elected - because none of them are, in a sense, as we don't vote directly on who will be the next leader of our country.
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I believe that the main issue for May was all of those people who keep pointing out that she wasn't voted in as pm. The timing arose where an increased majority looked likely as well, but I'm not convinced that was the reason in itself
Thing is. We don't directly elect a Prime Minister. So it's b*llocks to say a Prime Minister wasn't elected - because none of them are, in a sense, as we don't vote directly on who will be the next leader of our country.
We don't vote directly but there's a difference between holding an election where you know if a certain party wins, who will be PM, and TM's becoming PM.
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I believe that the main issue for May was all of those people who keep pointing out that she wasn't voted in as pm. The timing arose where an increased majority looked likely as well, but I'm not convinced that was the reason in itself
Thing is. We don't directly elect a Prime Minister. So it's b*llocks to say a Prime Minister wasn't elected - because none of them are, in a sense, as we don't vote directly on who will be the next leader of our country.
We don't vote directly but there's a difference between holding an election where you know if a certain party wins, who will be PM, and TM's becoming PM.
But even so, if you vote "for Corbyn" as some probably think they are doing, but you live in a constituency where there's a f**king whopping Tory majority, it'll make f**k all difference, unless of course enough people vote the same way.
In either case, you're voting for a member of your chosen party to hopefully represent you in Parliament, not who you want to be Prime Minister, even though a lot of people for some reason seem to think that's how it works.
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Rosie oh Rosie I'd like to paint your picture in the sky ...
Was that Leapy Lee?
Anyway she's been a good MP and is very approachable. 5 more years for her.
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As it's been pointed out a couple of months back Torys was way out in front ,and if we belive the polls today it will end up with a Tory win but much closer than a couple of months ago.
So I have to ask this again why could Labour not have sorted its inside issues out with the wrong personal on the staff etc etc.
I wonder how many more voters Labour could have got if likes of Abbott and a couple more had been outed sometime back.
Suppose it's the amount of votes they would have got but the amount of votes they have lost within the Labour party with likes of Abbott on board.
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I'd like to see your predictions for the following:
UK vote share (%)
Con: 39
Lab: 28
Lib:
SNP:
UKIP:
Green:
Seat predictions (650)
Con: 350
Lab: 210
Lib:
SNP:
UKIP:
Green:
Your constituency
Enjoy!
Very much hope I'm wrong but can't see it. This government is a car crash for everyone but the seriously well off.
I'd love Filo to be right.
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UK vote share (%)
Con: 38
Lab: 40
Lib: 7
SNP: 7
UKIP: 4
Green: 4
Seat predictions (650)
Con: 295
Lab: 280
Lib: 8
SNP: 40
UKIP: 0
Green: 1
I actually believe the Sinn Fein result in Northern Ireland may just get Corbyn over the line for No. 10 - ironic considering the biggest attacking point from the right wing media would ultimately deliver him his result.
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Tory increase majority by twenty I think.
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UK vote share (%)
Con: 44
Lab: 33
Lib: 9
SNP: 4
UKIP: 4
Green: 2
Seat predictions (650)
Con: 368
Lab: 206
Lib: 7
SNP: 47
UKIP: 0
Green: 1
Your constituency
Doncaster North: Lab
I will be the first to celebrate if I'm wrong.
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I'm predicting a hung parliament, and Mrs Strong and Stable to resign
Id be happy if she was just hung
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I believe that the main issue for May was all of those people who keep pointing out that she wasn't voted in as pm. The timing arose where an increased majority looked likely as well, but I'm not convinced that was the reason in itself
I heard another reason, direct from a Guardian journo.
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Rosie oh Rosie I'd like to paint your picture in the sky ...
Was that Leapy Lee?
Anyway she's been a good MP and is very approachable. 5 more years for her.
Believe without googling ... that was Don Fardon *
Leapy Lea is what May should get .... "Little arrows"
* Don Partridge was my initial and correct thought !
Don Fardon was another one hit wonder with " took the whole Indian nation ...... put em on this Reservation "
(Nowt to do wi' Election but I cant wait till a minute past 10 tonight when the Result comes in ! Boing - Theresa May's majority halved - Boing - Theresa May not looking so strong and stable any more- Boing )
I personally could not bear it if she comes out smelling of Roses and worst does another Thatcher parody on the Road outside Number 10.
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And I just do not care who wins, non of us here will get any recognition for supporting our football club. But who ever wins has a battle at home, also in Europe and the world too because of terrorism - Trade Partners and getting us out of the EU. I am glad it is not me having to do it. I am wrestling with should I or should I not sell my house.Now that is important to me. I have got season tickets sorted. And today I planned to cut the back grass but it is raining. So every cloud does have a silver lining.
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Wimp ! Get a plassie mac on and a circuit breaker (oh and ignore the Wimp jest)
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Good job we have been friends for many years. :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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UK vote share (%)
Con: 44
Lab: 33
Lib: 9
SNP: 4
UKIP: 4
Green: 2
Seat predictions (650)
Con: 368
Lab: 206
Lib: 7
SNP: 47
UKIP: 0
Green: 1
Your constituency
Doncaster North: Lab
I will be the first to celebrate if I'm wrong.
That's pretty much how the spread betting firms see it.
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Good job we have been friends for many years. :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
:thumbsup:
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Pains me to say it but tories with an overall 20+ majority I hope I am wrong though.
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I'm afraid to say that the Tories will win and will win handsomely. Maybe not the landslide that they wanted but they will win comfortably. Listening to callers on a radio phone in yesterday it seems that people want a PM who is willing to nuke Russia rather than one who will sort out the NHS. But I guess that's the joy of democracy...
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I believe that the main issue for May was all of those people who keep pointing out that she wasn't voted in as pm. The timing arose where an increased majority looked likely as well, but I'm not convinced that was the reason in itself
I heard another reason, direct from a Guardian journo.
Reason being?
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I'm hoping the tory's win this with around a 20-30 seat majority..That would be the ideal result...The problem I have is that Labour cant win a majority to be the new government...That means the best they can hope for is a hung parlament were they will try and form a coalition with the SNP who will use another referendum as a bargaining chip and allow them to negotiate there own terms for going it alone...So we could end up being ruled jointly with a party whose main point of existence is to split from England...She only talks about Scotland..They don't give 2 tosses about us down south....How can any of you honestly believe that's the best option for this country is simply beyond me...But we are all entitled to our opinion...
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I'm hoping the tory's win this with around a 20-30 seat majority..That would be the ideal result...The problem I have is that Labour cant win a majority to be the new government...That means the best they can hope for is a hung parlament were they will try and form a coalition with the SNP who will use another referendum as a bargaining chip and allow them to negotiate there own terms for going it alone...So we could end up being ruled jointly with a party whose main point of existence is to split from England...She only talks about Scotland..They don't give 2 tosses about us down south....How can any of you honestly believe that's the best option for this country is simply beyond me...But we are all entitled to our opinion...
Just as it's beyond me how anyone could choose a party who will decimate the NHS, reduce police numbers, sell arms to Saudi, persecute the disabled and bring back fox hunting for their rich donors. As you say though, all entitled to our opinions...
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This will be the problem. When the Tories win will we have the same issue from the left wing lunatics that couldn't accept the Brexit result?
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This will be the problem. When the Tories win will we have the same issue from the left wing lunatics that couldn't accept the Brexit result?
If giving a shit about the NHS, police numbers, disabled welfare rights and social care makes me a left wing lunatic then I guess I'm guilty as charged. Lets face it, nobody can be voting Conservative if they seriously support the NHS can they? Anyway, I voted for Brexit so I'm not sure where that puts me in the generalisation stakes
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I'm solely on about the lunatics that want to protest about everything that doesn't go their way and the majority like last time probably haven't voted again
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My ball says an overall majority of 12 seats for Mrs May
and Corbin will be back to eating cold baked beans out of a tin with a spoon
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3199550/Take-No-Jeremy-liked-night-eating-cold-beans-cat-called-Harold-Wilson-Corbyn-s-wife-reveals.html
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I'm solely on about the lunatics that want to protest about everything that doesn't go their way and the majority like last time probably haven't voted again
They have been moaning and demonstrating to get fox hunting legalised again for years.
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There is a school of thought that this might actually be a good election to lose:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-general-election-result-brexit-economic-crash-recession-praying-they-lose-a7773166.html
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There was a school of thought that the 2010 election would be a good one to lose.
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Wow, if the BBC/ITV/Sky exit poll is anywhere near right, May has got to resign.
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f**king hell! Wasn't expecting that exit poll.
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But who is she going to align with?
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But who is she going to align with?
After banging on about 'coalition of chaos' can they do so without looking incredibly foolish?
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But who is she going to align with?
After banging on about 'coalition of chaos' can they do so without looking incredibly foolish?
If the exit poll is right its going to get very messy
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Very messy and weird to see labour guys celebrating a potential loss...
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Preventing a Con majority would be one of the biggest political upsets the UK has ever seen.
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There is a school of thought that this might actually be a good election to lose:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-general-election-result-brexit-economic-crash-recession-praying-they-lose-a7773166.html
Quite an interesting piece that.
Whoever wins the election, it would be good for the other party to take note of that before steaming into them.
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Con 314
Lab 266
Lip 14
Ukip 0
SNP 34
Gre 1
Oth 21
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Very messy and weird to see labour guys celebrating a potential loss...
I think they'll be celebrating the gains they make.
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Either way, it looks like being a long, but very interesting, night!
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So how would labour form a government? all the other parties together don't make a majority! Good to see the SNP potentially getting stuffed - can't stand sturgen
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Tonight's most used term > IF the polls are correct >
No twwatheads on the tv dare say any different
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So how would labour form a government? all the other parties together don't make a majority! Good to see the SNP potentially getting stuffed - can't stand sturgen
You've lost me...if the Tories don't have a majority it does mean all the other parties together make a majority..?
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Tonight's most used term > IF the polls are correct >
No twwatheads on the tv dare say any different
That's all they can say at the moment, surely?
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So how would labour form a government? all the other parties together don't make a majority! Good to see the SNP potentially getting stuffed - can't stand sturgen
You've lost me...if the Tories don't have a majority it does mean all the other parties together make a majority..?
Course it does! ha ha sorry
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So how would labour form a government? all the other parties together don't make a majority! Good to see the SNP potentially getting stuffed - can't stand sturgen
You've lost me...if the Tories don't have a majority it does mean all the other parties together make a majority..?
Genuine question, in the "other" group of 21 how many parties are in that group?
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Tonight's most used term > IF the polls are correct >
No twwatheads on the tv dare say any different
That's all they can say at the moment, surely?
Last time out Glynn they was all bascially claiming polls were going to be correct and all that came with it
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Tonight's most used term > IF the polls are correct >
No twwatheads on the tv dare say any different
That's all they can say at the moment, surely?
Last time out Glynn they was all bascially claiming polls were going to be correct and all that came with it
I always watch the BBC on these occasions and I can't remember them ever saying that.
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So how would labour form a government? all the other parties together don't make a majority! Good to see the SNP potentially getting stuffed - can't stand sturgen
You've lost me...if the Tories don't have a majority it does mean all the other parties together make a majority..?
Genuine question, in the "other" group of 21 how many parties are in that group?
Con 314
Lab 266
LibDem 14
SNP 34
Green 1
Others (ie Northern Ireland) 21
No prediction of Northern Ireland party spread yet.
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61% turnout in Sunderland sky are reporting
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61% turnout in Sunderland sky are reporting
What was the turnout last time? Has it gone up or down?
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What is Diane abbotts seat
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What is Diane abbotts seat
Hackney North
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61% turnout in Sunderland sky are reporting
What was the turnout last time? Has it gone up or down?
At a guess I say it's gone down on strength of its premiership team
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What is Diane abbotts seat
It's what she's been talking out of these past few weeks.
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Last exit poll had Tories at 316. It's gonna be an interesting night, can't see snp losing that many.
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What is Diane abbotts seat
It's a London one, not sure which but it's a pretty safe one. Amber Rudd getting the boot could be tonight's Portillo moment.
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What is Diane abbotts seat
Hackney North
Any chance of lord such having her out in hackney north
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What is Diane abbotts seat
Absolutely massive and very unattractive.😉
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16% of the votes are postal meaning they voted a while ago (modern slave workers aka zero hours contract workers cannot be sure they can vote on the day etc so vote postal ???)
that but this exit poll seems to have swept that fact under the carpet
have they mentioned that fact about postal votes ??
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Should Labour have a great night and cons have worst nite possible but still get into number 10 > will Brussels aka EU still be clutching at a no brexit
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Newcastle have beat Sunderland to first place
Lab hold Newcastle
Sunderland could not beat an egg
Bet the true Geordie is now doing back flips
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Should Labour have a great night and cons have worst nite possible but still get into number 10 > will Brussels aka EU still be clutching at a no brexit
No. The only thing that might affect it is the LibDems making another referendum after the negotiations the price of forming a coalition with anyone.
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Don't think libdems would do a coalition with that Pam Anderson from bay watch after they got burnt after the last one they did
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Geff sterling on skysports update now reporting lab are 1-0 up
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I can't see it at the moment as on their own they still wouldn't give anybody a majority on their own, but if they end up holding the balance of power it might tempt them, even more so if they can screw more concessions out of somebody.
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Sounds like the Daleks have taken over Sunderland.
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this bloke on the bbc ought to become a football manager he's so good at coming up with the excuses - perhaps not all ballot papers were made of the same type of paper
sociology degrees are after all written on toilet paper
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CNN across the big pond are claiming all seats are in and a re count has been called according to a leak via a eastern bloc source
Going to be one god dam hell of a night ( in my best john Wayne accent )
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I don't trust the exit poll at all. I still think the conservatives will win with an overall majority cos they're going to benefit from the ukip meltdown. The problem for May is that it won't be the landslide she wanted.
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I do enjoy election night though! It's fascinating stuff!
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16% of the votes are postal meaning they voted a while ago (modern slave workers aka zero hours contract workers cannot be sure they can vote on the day etc so vote postal ???)
that but this exit poll seems to have swept that fact under the carpet
have they mentioned that fact about postal votes ??
now they bbc tv have just upped the postal vote to 25%
Some votes had been cast before Thursday through postal voting, which accounted for 16% of the total electorate at the 2015 general election, when the overall turnout was 66%.
seems this 16 % was last time
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bbc score card has LAB CON SNP LD > DUP >
Who the fcuk are DUP
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The late Ian Paisley's mob.
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Sounds like the Daleks have taken over Sunderland.
I thought exactly the same and I thought it was Saturday tea time and I took cover behind my couch
with nervous flashbacks
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Maybe the Eurovision Song Contest should have its voting counting system baised on the exact same format as tonight .
Black boxes with tie grips been handballed all across Europe to counting stations ,with untold checking throu voting slips .
Armed guards at each voting station and following sealed boxes back to counting stations.
3 gay tv presenters rogering each other all night throu the count up .
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Labour now 3-0 up after Sunderland came in > Torys need an away seat with looks of things
Exit poll now been questioned on bbc
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it seems that the labour party are reading this thread and using my postal vote argument
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Lab 4 Con 1 (D Abbott O.G)
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Cons have just had a sneaky bill passed in parliament behind all and sundry back to OGs counting double
Geff sterling on skysports news on score update lab 4 con 2 Abbott og = 2 seats.
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Cons have just had a sneaky bill passed in parliament behind all and sundry back to OGs counting double
Geff sterling on skysports news on score update lab 4 con 2 Abbott og = 2 seats.
Abbotts always had 2 seats, her arse doesn't fit in 1.
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it seems that the labour party are reading this thread and using my postal vote argument
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
How safe or secure is that postal vote thing .
Basically could you hold a spud gun to someone's head and force them to vote for whoever as I guess you don't have to nip behind a curtain to cast it
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Cons have just had a sneaky bill passed in parliament behind all and sundry back to OGs counting double
Geff sterling on skysports news on score update lab 4 con 2 Abbott og = 2 seats.
Abbotts always had 2 seats, her arse doesn't fit in 1.
Likes of Lilly Allen and that prick lineaker would deem you a racist for that comment about lady buffalow chops Abbott .
Don't know how you sleep at nite BB
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Cons have just had a sneaky bill passed in parliament behind all and sundry back to OGs counting double
Geff sterling on skysports news on score update lab 4 con 2 Abbott og = 2 seats.
Abbotts always had 2 seats, her arse doesn't fit in 1.
Likes of Lilly Allen and that prick lineaker would deem you a racist for that comment about lady buffalow chops Abbott .
Don't know how you sleep at nite BB
It'll happen mate, It'll happen!
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Lab 6 Con 2 (Abbott 2 O.G)
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looks to be the perfect result in the offing - labour, who are generally well-meaning but dangerously stupid buffoons pandering to idiot snowflakes, kept out of power - but the arrogant tory bas**rds given such a kicking that brexit may collapse and they might even have to think about people other than themselves for once; with luck that f**king awful may woman will have to walk, too - alfie should really be ashamed of her....
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It looks to me as though the conservatives are about as strong and stable as Abbotts arse.
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That is a disgusting comment selby and has no place here.
Because no one on earth wants to imagine her arse jiggling about... :laugh:
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Awesome that Angus Robertson lost his seat - massive prick....
The SNP are getting a kick in!
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I don't like the SNP but quite like Robertson. I rate him as a politician.
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Hope that fat bas**rd Salmond loses his seat.
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Hope that fat bas**rd Salmond loses his seat.
Done
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Hahahahahahahahaha, f**king cock.
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omg
I went to bed at 2-0 initially bouyed by the Exit Poll I was ecstatic for about 45 minutes - then those 2 appeared to mock the Exit Poll
So I thought the best outcome would still be about 326 for the Tories. I woke up to find that despite expecting a Landslide the Voters god love em have delivered Thatcher 2 a projected 318. Glad I got up so early
Now we need a change of the voting method as first past the post needs to go and be replaced by PR. As good as this result is for anti Tories (and well done Jeremy - something I did not consider myself ever saying) it still leaves the DUP with as much clout as they can wring out and which will allow the Tories to carry on albeit wounded severely
Switch to PR and we would have more moderate Govt's with less extremism either way (maybe more elections as Italy sometimes have). There would be no need to keep redesigning Constituencies to try to generate your Party more Seats - I would think that more people would vote across the land because they would not feel their vote would not count * - and those who did vote would feel it was a level playing field and their vote was now as valuable elsewhere **
* If you wanted to Vote Lib Dem for example in Doncaster you would think (maybe) what's the point - they will never get in. However if your vote was counted nationwide and the Lib Dems got 25% nationally they should get 25% of the Seats
** Some of the biggest Majorities are in Labour Seats so someone taking the old Goole and Thorne use to get 45,000 votes. Whereas lots of Seats are won with 10000 votes so a Party such as the Tories can win 4 Seats with that same 45000. It can be right
However it probably wont happen so I will have to content myself for the moment with the juvenile Yaaaahhhhhhoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo (sorry)
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So Cameron decided to go for a Referendum on the EU thinking it was a done deal
The Electorate narrowly voted "leave" and he resigned
May then fills the void and promises to be strong and stable and get us the best deal going. Make our own Rules again defend our Border etc etc
She sees an opportunity to strengthened her hand and spectacularly fails and gets a hung Parliament instead
Now having filed Article 50 we have as a Country got to still get some sort of decent deal starting in about 10 days time. So we were "in" and strong and we have come full circle to being almost impotent. Well done Tories (not)
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looks to be the perfect result in the offing - labour, who are generally well-meaning but dangerously stupid buffoons pandering to idiot snowflakes, kept out of power - but the arrogant tory bas**rds given such a kicking that brexit may collapse and they might even have to think about people other than themselves for once; with luck that f**king awful may woman will have to walk, too - alfie should really be ashamed of her....
That looks to be a great summation.
Its similar to what I tries to say above. Leaving Europe was voted on when it need not have been and the people spoke albeit with a small majority. Leavers told remainers to "get over it" - the people have voted for it
Then May(hem) goes for a snap election to strengthen her hand and fails spectacularly. She MAY even resign just as Cameron had to do. However instead of getting a Mandate to negotiate people voted the opposite to what they thought "we" would
So we are right in s**t creek now. I hope the Lib Dems do the decent thing and form a Coalition having extracted 2 concessions :
a) Proportional Representation (Free vote)
b) A second Referendum on the Package we finally get on the B....t Deal
By the way ... It's a good day for the Foxes who now cant be legally hunted again for a good while - though they can be shot trapped poisoned and of course illegally be hunted
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Somebody called a hung parliament a few days back off here ,well done that chap take a step forward.
If only Labour had sorted its in house nut jobs out like Abbott who knows.
But you have to take your hat off to corbyn ,well done old bean.
He seems to have scrubbed up on his appearance of late ten fold .
As for may ,she will stay in for the moment but will step down shortly to Boris who will lead the Torys into the next general election in about 6 - 9 months.
I have no idea what this will do to the brexit negotiations > Glynn or redj please ?
Ukip might aswell be called Nokip gonekip or finishedkip even fcukedkip .
SNP > will that little gob shite now stand down and drown her self in Loch Ness .who would have thought that conservatives would have done so well in jockland whilst SNP told to shut the fcuk up about going it alone from Great Britain .
Liberals Glegg as been on a downward since the last hung parliament and did that Fallon loose his seat aswell.
my plea to Labour please please fcuk that Abbott off ,enlist her into rampton as you look a lot more attractive without her .
May > as that inspiral carpets song went " this is how it feals to be lonely ,this is how it feals to be small,this is how it feals when your word means nothing at all"
She sent out the wrong signals with her dress sense ,should have worn and be seen in a whatever shade of blue all the time just like thatcher was on the election run ins .
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Ps it was mr filo your local taxi driver that called a hung parliament
Hope you had a score with at a bookies with what your water was telling you fella.
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16% of the votes are postal meaning they voted a while ago (modern slave workers aka zero hours contract workers cannot be sure they can vote on the day etc so vote postal ???)
that but this exit poll seems to have swept that fact under the carpet
have they mentioned that fact about postal votes ??
I am not in the bracket above but do postal voting.
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Just seen pictures of may splashed across the noggy papers from last night this morning .
She was in a all red jacket and skirt with a face like a slapped fish.
Take the slapped fish part away and ask what meassage does the all red bit send out ?
It like been a top player for united during a fixture against city and wearing a light blue shirt .
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any truth in the early reports that say the only comment from Diane Abbot so far has been "if jeremy is involved then it's not going to be a very well hung parliament...." ?
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Awesome that Angus Robertson lost his seat - massive prick....
The SNP are getting a kick in!
"massive prick" - is that a rumour that was started by Angus Robertson?
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Interesting night, big win for exit poll. Amazing from them.
Labour had a great night, in terms of vote share so did the Tories really but labour picked up the bigger increase.
So really, Tories lost majority, fail.
Labour second again though a bit bigger number of seats. Good night but still failed.
All others lost votes so fails for them too.
Amazing how in the scheme of a whole country the loss of just a few seats changed it.
May won't last now and it makes brexit terrible. What an error of judgement but the campaign frankly was terrible.
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Seeing that 72% of 18-25 year olds turned up. That's amazing.
I think they were underestimated again this time round, but finally delivered. Everybody was shocked by the exit polls and this outcome but that must've been partly on the basis of the impression created by mainstream media. If you looked on twitter and facebook it was flooding with support for Corbyn from youngsters.
No matter what happens from here its a win. And whoever you support, you have to give Corbyn credit for finally engaging the younger generations. Let them be swayed to whatever party they want from now on but at least they're engaged.
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If 72% of that group had bothered to vote this time last year we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place...
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:thumbsup:
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May should fall on her sword, she went all in with a weak hand and lost, but as the Tories do they will cling onto power by hook or crook. The future of this Country is now in the hand of ten Northern Irish MP's
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May should fall on her sword, she went all in with a weak hand and lost, but as the Tories do they will cling onto power by hook or crook. The future of this Country is now in the hand of ten Northern Irish MP's
The other point she would make is she increased the vote share the highest Tory vote for 30 years. Not convinced it outweighs the poor campaign though.
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May should fall on her sword, she went all in with a weak hand and lost, but as the Tories do they will cling onto power by hook or crook. The future of this Country is now in the hand of ten Northern Irish MP's
The other point she would make is she increased the vote share. Not convinced it outweighs the poor campaign though.
The big thing she has n't got her buzz phrase "strong and stable" the Tories will probably self destruct over this
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May should fall on her sword, she went all in with a weak hand and lost, but as the Tories do they will cling onto power by hook or crook. The future of this Country is now in the hand of ten Northern Irish MP's
The other point she would make is she increased the vote share. Not convinced it outweighs the poor campaign though.
The big thing she has n't got her buzz phrase "strong and stable" the Tories will probably self destruct over this
Potentially could happen. Also interesting they still hold a majority in England thus retain a lot of power on English only laws.
The story for me isn't the poor performance of the Tories outright but their failure to outdo labour in many areas. Very arrogant to campaign as they did and offer no carrots. A thing labour did really to many, mainly knowing they wouldn't have to enact it.
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serious downside in that the f**king imbecile farage has resurfaced, somehow making out that the destruction of his party potentially legitimises his return to politics; selfish, narrow-minded, hypocritical f**ktard of the highest order...
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In my view, the big vote catcher for Labour was the suggestion to abolish student tuition fees and that attracted the young people of that age to vote for them.
Everyone i have spoken to that has family members at or due to go to university has said that their kids went out to vote Labour.
If there isnt another election for 4 or 5 years i wonder if they will vote the same way if the then Labour people dont include the same promise?
The situation of those young people will have changed and they will be looking for other things to improve their circumstances.
Without a doubt Corbyn led a good campaign but couldnt do enough to win.
I am glad May didnt resign though as that would have potentially opened the door for Boris Johnson to step up and with those two as head of the two major parties, well i dread to think of that.
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Surely Boris lost all credibility with most people (if he ever had much) with his performance after the Brexit vote.
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nice comment by Andrew Marr at some point during proceedings along the lines of "it gives you some idea of the gravity of the situation and how extraordinary the result has been that - so far - boris johnson has said absolutely nothing..."
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Surely Boris lost all credibility with most people (if he ever had much) with his performance after the Brexit vote.
You can include me in the list of people who have little faith in Boris but the fact is, he would be a front runner in the race to replace may if she had quit.
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I have no idea what this will do to the brexit negotiations > Glynn or redj please ?
They will go ahead but the problem is that I cannot see the people finishing them being the people who start them, which isn't helpful for the UK as we'll lose continuity.
I can't see May surviving long, she'd been holed below the waterline as she had the best chance of getting a landslide in recent history and pissed it up the wall. There is absolutely no way on Earth the Tories will want go into another election with a loser like her leading them. I think there will be another election sooner rather than later (as I can't see the Tories wanting to be beholden to the DUP for any longer than necessary) and they'll give her the elbow to get someone else in place before that, and whoever that is will have their own ideas as to what they to get out of the Brexit negotiations and the team they want to undertake it.
So the two likeliest scenarios are - new Tory leader with new Brexit team (whether they win another election or not), or another election won by somebody else, again leading to a new team conducting the negotiations.
In the meantime, if they have any sense, the EU negotiators will play hardball knowing that May has very little political leeway to play with.
That's how it seems to me so far.
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serious downside in that the f**king imbecile farage has resurfaced, somehow making out that the destruction of his party potentially legitimises his return to politics; selfish, narrow-minded, hypocritical f**ktard of the highest order...
Ah well, his friend Donald didn't manage to bully the government into giving Nige that Ambassador job they both thought they'd be able to get him, did they? Nige has to have something to do with his time!
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We now have a terrorist sympathiser as PM!
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CRIKEY, I DIDNT REALISE CORBYN HAD WON !!
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CRIKEY, I DIDNT REALISE CORBYN HAD WON !!
You do realise the DUP were formed out of a terrorist organisation?
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Check the facts Filo, unlike Sinn Fein, they have never been associated with loyalist paramiltaries.
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Check the facts Filo, unlike Sinn Fein, they have never been associated with loyalist paramiltaries.
Really?
Ian Paisly was never associated with them?
Peter Robinson was never associated with them?
I think you need to check your facts
n 1980, Robinson was elected as the deputy leader of the DUP. In 1986, he helped establish Ulster Resistance, a loyalist paramilitary group.
Throughout the Troubles, Paisley was seen as a firebrand and the face of hardline unionism. He opposed all attempts to resolve the conflict through power-sharing between unionists and Irish nationalists/republicans, and all attempts to involve the Republic of Ireland in Northern affairs. His efforts helped bring down the Sunningdale Agreement of 1974. He also opposed the Anglo-Irish Agreement of 1985, with less success. His attempts to create a paramilitary movement culminated in Ulster Resistance. Paisley and his party also opposed the Northern Ireland peace process and Good Friday Agreement of 1998
The DUP is a right-wing populist[5] party. It is characterized by its Ulster loyalist position, which it has staunchly held since its inception. Ulster loyalism, with its aim for continued inclusion of Northern Ireland in the UK, has been identified as a type of ethnic nationalism,[40] and is historically linked with paramilitarism
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Of course Ian paisley was associated with them.
Did he ever get convicted of a terrorist offence?
As far as i know the DUP has always condemned violence.
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Of course Ian paisley was associated with them.
Did he ever get convicted of a terrorist offence?
As far as i know the DUP has always condemned violence.
On the post above mine you said they'd never been associated with terrorism, now your saying their founder has, which one is it?
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Has Paisley ever been convicted of a terrorist offence, genuine question.
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Has Paisley ever been convicted of a terrorist offence, genuine question.
No not directly, but read up about him, he was convicted many times for public order offences that were directly linked to paramilitarism. In todays day and age he would have been arrested and convicted using anti terror laws
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So he isnt a terrorist then?
How then is Teresa May a terrorist sympathiser?
That is a bit of a defamatory statement.
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So he isnt a terrorist then?
How then is Teresa May a terrorist sympathiser?
That is a bit of a defamatory statement.
I give up, it's because of people like you that we're in this mess!
He formed a paramilitery organisition, by default that makes him a terrorist, I accept he was never convicted of terrorist offences, but then again niether was Osama Bin Laden, was he not a terrorist either?
Here we go, read and digest this from a week ago
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-foster-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murder-in-bangor-35776873.html
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Has wee Krankie turned up yet - she had a face liked a smacked arse when things were going well for her so must be awesome now
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So he isnt a terrorist then?
How then is Teresa May a terrorist sympathiser?
That is a bit of a defamatory statement.
I give up, it's because of people like you that we're in this mess!
He formed a paramilitery organisition, by default that makes him a terrorist, I accept he was never convicted of terrorist offences, but then again niether was Osama Bin Laden, was he not a terrorist either?
Here we go, read and digest this from a week ago
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-foster-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murder-in-bangor-35776873.html
You know what, it is bigots like yourself that cause more damage than anyone else.
You are what i would call an extremist.
I suppose i should expect it from you though.
Havent you got a fare to collect.
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I don't believe the DUP are terrorist sympathisers. However the point is they have far more connections to alleged former terrorists than Corbyn does, and Corbyn got slaughtered in the press for it. I suspect the print media will be somewhat quieter about this though.
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May called the election on the Mantra of "Strong and Stable" we had that rammed down our throats for 2 or 3 weeks. When it became clear that "Strong and Stable" would n't be delivered, the Mantra was changed to "Coalition of Chaos" if JC won, that was rammed down our throats, along with the buzz phrase "Magic Money Tree" regarding Labours fully costed manifesto against the Tories totally uncosted manifesto. They also tried the terrorist sympathiser slur on JC to discredit him!
And now what have we got?
A minority Tory government, propped up by a party found from a terrorist organisation, with an uncosted manifesto without a magic money tree, a true "coalition of Chaos"
Everything the Tories said we'd get if JC won!
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So he isnt a terrorist then?
How then is Teresa May a terrorist sympathiser?
That is a bit of a defamatory statement.
I give up, it's because of people like you that we're in this mess!
He formed a paramilitery organisition, by default that makes him a terrorist, I accept he was never convicted of terrorist offences, but then again niether was Osama Bin Laden, was he not a terrorist either?
Here we go, read and digest this from a week ago
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-foster-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murder-in-bangor-35776873.html
You know what, it is bigots like yourself that cause more damage than anyone else.
You are what i would call an extremist.
I suppose i should expect it from you though.
Havent you got a fare to collect.
Lol!
The true bigots are our King makers the DUP
Why should you expect it from someone like me?
P.S. FYI I'm just going out to work 😀
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Why is it because of people like me that "we are in this mess".
I voted not to leave the EU by the way.
i suppose you want a pop at me for that as well.
Have you nothing to say to MachMadness for agreeing with me that the DUP are not terrorist sympathisers?
Or Herman Hessian ?
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I don't believe the DUP are terrorist sympathisers.
sensible enough conclusion
now, if we can only get over them being luridly homophobic, anti-abortion, creationists, we can all get on just fine....
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To say Labour had an emphatic win some of its supporters are bloody sore losers!
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Yeah but they were always going to win in Donny BB.
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I don't believe the DUP are terrorist sympathisers.
sensible enough conclusion
now, if we can only get over them being luridly homophobic, anti-abortion, creationists, we can all get on just fine....
That is the more worrying part of it for me. Then again we've always been happy to jump into bed with the Saudis and so on so I don't know why people are so surprised May would turn in any kind of morals to cling onto power.
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Do you think we should withdraw all our technology sales and people from Saudi, and maybe stop buying their oil as well?
This is also a genuine question MM, not a pop at you.
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For one, the report into funding of terrorism needs to be published. Diplomacy and sanctions if necessary need to be employed, whether that does result in any of the three measures you mention, alongside pressure from international community (something May is incapable of working alongside it seems), it is something I would support. Hopefully alongside a long term environmental energy policy, we can reduce our reliance on Middle East oil. Obviously this is a very long term strategy but that's the only way you can look at things when it comes to Middle East diplomacy and terrorism.
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Check the facts Filo, unlike Sinn Fein, they have never been associated with loyalist paramiltaries.
Of course Ian paisley was associated with them.
I'm confused...which one of these is the truth?
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Selective quotes.
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Selected for a reason. They contradict each other.
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Not questioning your colleague Filo who intimated that Paisley could have been a terrorist and May a terrorist sympathiser.
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So have they been associated with a paramilitary organisation or not?
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You decide.
You are obviously a know all.
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Filo and other people reading this might like to know.
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Just to give the fan club on here a much needed update, Diane Abbott was elected once again with an increased majority.
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You don't have to do much digging to find that the DUP have, at best, a questionable history when it comes to links to terrorist organisations such as Ulster Resistance. Seems all very shady.
However, both Sinn Fein and the DUP were catalysts in the delivery of the Good Friday Agreement so some may argue that it's time to move on and to embrace their inclusion into mainstream politics.
What is undeniable though is that the DUP have some extremely robust views on a wide variety of subjects and I can't imagine they'll make comfortable bedfellows for Mrs May.
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The point I was making, was that the Tories and the right wing press saw fit to mention Corbyns past links with the IRA, in an attempt to discredit him. The boot is on the other foot now after they have jumped into bed with the DUP, it seems it's ok if you're a Tory and you mix with questionable people, not a peep from the right wing press either
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Human nature filo as no body will put their hands up to been wrong or looking wrong .
Their silence on the subject speaks volumes
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Human nature filo as no body will put their hands up to been wrong or looking wrong .
That strikes a chord.
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Human nature filo as no body will put their hands up to been wrong or looking wrong .
Their silence on the subject speaks volumes
In this case it's not human nature. It's a case of the media using their own platform to spread lies and half truths to manipulate the masses towards their way of thinking, on other words brainwashing. The weak, vunerable and gullible will swallow it all and deny any evidence put forward that contradicts what they say, despite not supplying any evidence to back up what they say. We've seen it in this very thread regarding association with terrorism, when offered evidence the subject matter is very slightly changed when they have been proven wrong. A total act of denial in the face of the facts!
It's also happened in this election, a perfect examplle is the Tory voters keep peddling the myth that Labour is responsible for the deficit, when in fact the deficit has gone through the roof since the Tories have been in power. Ask yourself where these people get their info from? The right wing media, thats where, they have been brainwashed, so much so that they even deny they have been brainwashed and taken for fools
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But isn't there a difference? Didn't Corbyn have links with the IRA at the time it was actively committing acts of terrorism, whereas the present Tory deal with the DUP is almost half a century after any alleged paramilitary activity?
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But isn't there a difference? Didn't Corbyn have links with the IRA at the time it was actively committing acts of terrorism, whereas the present Tory deal with the DUP is almost half a century after any alleged paramilitary activity?
Here you go, from just over a week ago
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-foster-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murder-in-bangor-35776873.html
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Check the facts Filo, unlike Sinn Fein, they have never been associated with loyalist paramiltaries.
Of course Ian paisley was associated with them.
I'm confused...which one of these is the truth?
As i said Glyn, you choose selective quotes and put your spin on them.
Let me explain so you can come out of your confused state:
The first quote of mine that you highlighted was in relation to the fact that the DUP have never been associated with terrorist organisations.
The second quote you highlighted is a response to Filo's question and my answer was to say that Paisley was associated with the DUP.
So clearly the quotes of mine that you highlighted are not a contradiction of each other but are responses to different questions and you have decided to try to discredit me by linking the two together as two answers to a single question.
That should make it clear to an man as educated as yourself.
Before you say that the DUP are or have been a terrorist group, no less than the Independant Online have said today that "there is no suggestion that the DUP actively sought the endorsement from the group (paramilitaries) or that in turn it supports the UDA.
I hope that strikes a chord too pal.
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There's always been strong rumours of links between the British establishment (possibly including the government) and loyalist terrorism in Ireland. I think it's right that Corbyn is asked to clarify his position on his s Sinn Fein links, however pretty much every government that we've had has been in contact with Irish terrorist groups on both sides. It's a very, very shady area indeed and it's folly to think that the British establishment hasn't had some direct and indirect influence on loyalist terrorism.
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But isn't there a difference? Didn't Corbyn have links with the IRA at the time it was actively committing acts of terrorism, whereas the present Tory deal with the DUP is almost half a century after any alleged paramilitary activity?
Here you go, from just over a week ago
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-foster-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murder-in-bangor-35776873.html
And you say the Tory supporters are brainwashed by the media Filo, LOL.
There are also other articles on this subject which dont have quite as much left wing spin on them.
Arlene Foster has openly said that anyone engaged in terrorist activities should stop and if they dont they should be open to the full rigour of the law.
Maybe the lefties are brainwashed as well.
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Anyone who doesn't believe the DUP have long and established links with terrorism in NI is deluded.
The DUP have strong historical links with Loyalist paramilitary groups. Specifically, the terrorist group Ulster Resistance was founded by a collection of people who went on to become prominent DUP politicians.
Peter Robinson, for example, who was DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s First Minister until last year, was an active member of Ulster Resistance.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/dup-terror-links-skeletons-cupboard-10593921
However in 1998 they signed the Good Friday Peace Agreement (as did Jeremy Corbyn but not Michael Gove) and have since 1998 worked on removing terrorism, guns and arms from NI politics. As have the people Jeremy Corbyn supported.
If you condem people being government for what they said and did in the 1970's, 80's and 90's then you need to have some balance. If you are saying its fine they can now shape the direction of the country for what they have done since 1998 - then you need to have some balance. But if you say the DUP have never been associated with terrorism in NI then you are very wrong.
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Wilts, lets get this straight.
You are backing your argument with a newspaper link.
I used a piece from the Independant to back my case.
Which is right or wrong.
I guess i already know your answer.
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But isn't there a difference? Didn't Corbyn have links with the IRA at the time it was actively committing acts of terrorism, whereas the present Tory deal with the DUP is almost half a century after any alleged paramilitary activity?
Here you go, from just over a week ago
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-foster-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murder-in-bangor-35776873.html
It seems that my definition of 'having links' is different to yours. OK so you found an article about Arlene Foster meeting a UDA chief. There are also pictures out there of the Queen, and Theresa May meeting Martin Mcguinness, Neville Chamberlain meeting Hitler, and Churchill meeting Stalin.
I don't know of any of them treating the events as anything more than protocol, and the reason for them certainly wasn't to be sympathetic.
On the other hand, Corbyn's meetings with the IRA suggest differently.
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Check the facts Filo, unlike Sinn Fein, they have never been associated with loyalist paramiltaries.
Of course Ian paisley was associated with them.
I'm confused...which one of these is the truth?
As i said Glyn, you choose selective quotes and put your spin on them.
Let me explain so you can come out of your confused state:
The first quote of mine that you highlighted was in relation to the fact that the DUP have never been associated with terrorist organisations.
The second quote you highlighted is a response to Filo's question and my answer was to say that Paisley was associated with the DUP.
So clearly the quotes of mine that you highlighted are not a contradiction of each other but are responses to different questions and you have decided to try to discredit me by linking the two together as two answers to a single question.
That should make it clear to an man as educated as yourself.
Before you say that the DUP are or have been a terrorist group, no less than the Independant Online have said today that "there is no suggestion that the DUP actively sought the endorsement from the group (paramilitaries) or that in turn it supports the UDA.
I hope that strikes a chord too pal.
Then you really should have read what Filo wrote.
Filo was writing in direct response to your quote saying that there were no DUP associations with paramilitaries.
Filo then talked about various DUP personnel's possible links to a paramilitary organisation.
And now your response is to say that you weren't answering what Filo wrote, but talking about Paisley's association to the DUP??
What is clear to a man as educated as myself is that you're trying to be as slippery as ****. And failing.
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Just to give the fan club on here a much needed update, Diane Abbott was elected once again with an increased majority.
And it's only the weak, vulnerable and gullible Tory supporters who are brainwashed!
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Check the facts Filo, unlike Sinn Fein, they have never been associated with loyalist paramiltaries.
Of course Ian paisley was associated with them.
I'm confused...which one of these is the truth?
As i said Glyn, you choose selective quotes and put your spin on them.
Let me explain so you can come out of your confused state:
The first quote of mine that you highlighted was in relation to the fact that the DUP have never been associated with terrorist organisations.
The second quote you highlighted is a response to Filo's question and my answer was to say that Paisley was associated with the DUP.
So clearly the quotes of mine that you highlighted are not a contradiction of each other but are responses to different questions and you have decided to try to discredit me by linking the two together as two answers to a single question.
That should make it clear to an man as educated as yourself.
Before you say that the DUP are or have been a terrorist group, no less than the Independant Online have said today that "there is no suggestion that the DUP actively sought the endorsement from the group (paramilitaries) or that in turn it supports the UDA.
I hope that strikes a chord too pal.
Then you really should have read what Filo wrote.
Filo was writing in direct response to your quote saying that there were no DUP associations with paramilitaries.
Filo then talked about various DUP personnel's possible links to a paramilitary organisation.
And now your response is to say that you weren't answering what Filo wrote, but talking about Paisley's association to the DUP??
What is clear to a man as educated as myself is that you're trying to be as slippery as ****. And failing.
...............in YOUR opinion of course.
But not strictly true.
I have to admit that your are brilliant with the twisting of words and quotes.
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Check the facts Filo, unlike Sinn Fein, they have never been associated with loyalist paramiltaries.
Of course Ian paisley was associated with them.
I'm confused...which one of these is the truth?
As i said Glyn, you choose selective quotes and put your spin on them.
Let me explain so you can come out of your confused state:
The first quote of mine that you highlighted was in relation to the fact that the DUP have never been associated with terrorist organisations.
The second quote you highlighted is a response to Filo's question and my answer was to say that Paisley was associated with the DUP.
So clearly the quotes of mine that you highlighted are not a contradiction of each other but are responses to different questions and you have decided to try to discredit me by linking the two together as two answers to a single question.
That should make it clear to an man as educated as yourself.
Before you say that the DUP are or have been a terrorist group, no less than the Independant Online have said today that "there is no suggestion that the DUP actively sought the endorsement from the group (paramilitaries) or that in turn it supports the UDA.
I hope that strikes a chord too pal.
Then you really should have read what Filo wrote.
Filo was writing in direct response to your quote saying that there were no DUP associations with paramilitaries.
Filo then talked about various DUP personnel's possible links to a paramilitary organisation.
And now your response is to say that you weren't answering what Filo wrote, but talking about Paisley's association to the DUP??
What is clear to a man as educated as myself is that you're trying to be as slippery as ****. And failing.
...............in YOUR opinion of course.
I have to admit that your are brilliant with the twisting of words and quotes.
I saw it as Glyn saw it, even reading back again to see if I missed something and it looks the way Glyn see's it. Also in previous posts you seem to be confusing convicted and associated with each other. Not once did I suggest anyone had been convicted of being a terrorist as you were trying to imply. What I did say after you made that implication was that Mr Paisley had been convicted of public order offences, that in todays world would be an offence under anti terror laws
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Why am i not surprised that you and Glyn see it the same way, what a shock.
Well guess what, i have read it again and i don't agree with you.
I have never confused the two(convicted and associated).
You had implied that the PM was a terrorist sympathiser.
I asked you whether Paisley had been convicted of a terrorist offence.
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To claim the DUP had no links to the Paramilitary Loyalist Groups is the same as claiming Sinn Fein had no links to the IRA.
To claim the proof of no DUP links is Paisley having no convictions then the same can be said of Gerry Adams - he had links to the IRA but because he never was convicted (spare his capture under internment in the 70s) we can say he wasn't a terrorist or a terrorist sympathiser. Martin McGuiness was only ever convicted in the Republic. He was never convicted on terrorism in the north. Surely we can clear his name too?
What is beyond doubt is where the Provisional IRA infiltrated Sinn Fein for political gains, the same can be said of the Ulster movement forming the DUP. Above all it shows as distinct lack of balance and possibly rewriting of history in the Troubles where the IRA were the evil and the Ulster were the good, which is just not true; it was much more grey than that.
Let's just consider the following: Corbyn forms a minority Government and Sinn Fein break their Westminister Rebellion to give him a majority. How do you think the reaction of the press, the Tories and the Establishment would be? Yet May has done the same and is being let off the hook.
The only good thing about this is the longer an illegitimate Prime Minister holds on the greater their defeat will be.
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Check the facts Filo, unlike Sinn Fein, they have never been associated with loyalist paramiltaries.
Of course Ian paisley was associated with them.
I'm confused...which one of these is the truth?
As i said Glyn, you choose selective quotes and put your spin on them.
Let me explain so you can come out of your confused state:
The first quote of mine that you highlighted was in relation to the fact that the DUP have never been associated with terrorist organisations.
The second quote you highlighted is a response to Filo's question and my answer was to say that Paisley was associated with the DUP.
So clearly the quotes of mine that you highlighted are not a contradiction of each other but are responses to different questions and you have decided to try to discredit me by linking the two together as two answers to a single question.
That should make it clear to an man as educated as yourself.
Before you say that the DUP are or have been a terrorist group, no less than the Independant Online have said today that "there is no suggestion that the DUP actively sought the endorsement from the group (paramilitaries) or that in turn it supports the UDA.
I hope that strikes a chord too pal.
Then you really should have read what Filo wrote.
Filo was writing in direct response to your quote saying that there were no DUP associations with paramilitaries.
Filo then talked about various DUP personnel's possible links to a paramilitary organisation.
And now your response is to say that you weren't answering what Filo wrote, but talking about Paisley's association to the DUP??
What is clear to a man as educated as myself is that you're trying to be as slippery as ****. And failing.
...............in YOUR opinion of course.
But not strictly true.
I have to admit that your are brilliant with the twisting of words and quotes.
I used direct quotes so that I couldn't twist them.
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To claim the DUP had no links to the Paramilitary Loyalist Groups is the same as claiming Sinn Fein had no links to the IRA.
To claim the proof of no DUP links is Paisley having no convictions then the same can be said of Gerry Adams - he had links to the IRA but because he never was convicted (spare his capture under internment in the 70s) we can say he wasn't a terrorist or a terrorist sympathiser. Martin McGuiness was only ever convicted in the Republic. He was never convicted on terrorism in the north. Surely we can clear his name too?
What is beyond doubt is where the Provisional IRA infiltrated Sinn Fein for political gains, the same can be said of the Ulster movement forming the DUP. Above all it shows as distinct lack of balance and possibly rewriting of history in the Troubles where the IRA were the evil and the Ulster were the good, which is just not true; it was much more grey than that.
Let's just consider the following: Corbyn forms a minority Government and Sinn Fein break their Westminister Rebellion to give him a majority. How do you think the reaction of the press, the Tories and the Establishment would be? Yet May has done the same and is being let off the hook.
The only good thing about this is the longer an illegitimate Prime Minister holds on the greater their defeat will be.
Very well put
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To claim the DUP had no links to the Paramilitary Loyalist Groups is the same as claiming Sinn Fein had no links to the IRA.
To claim the proof of no DUP links is Paisley having no convictions then the same can be said of Gerry Adams - he had links to the IRA but because he never was convicted (spare his capture under internment in the 70s) we can say he wasn't a terrorist or a terrorist sympathiser. Martin McGuiness was only ever convicted in the Republic. He was never convicted on terrorism in the north. Surely we can clear his name too?
What is beyond doubt is where the Provisional IRA infiltrated Sinn Fein for political gains, the same can be said of the Ulster movement forming the DUP. Above all it shows as distinct lack of balance and possibly rewriting of history in the Troubles where the IRA were the evil and the Ulster were the good, which is just not true; it was much more grey than that.
Let's just consider the following: Corbyn forms a minority Government and Sinn Fein break their Westminister Rebellion to give him a majority. How do you think the reaction of the press, the Tories and the Establishment would be? Yet May has done the same and is being let off the hook.
The only good thing about this is the longer an illegitimate Prime Minister holds on the greater their defeat will be.
Nothing whatsoever to disagree with there Mr Croft. The only point you may have added is that whilst it is without doubt the current UDP leader has never personally been involved in a any terrorist activities - it is also without doubt that the current Sinn Fein leader in Northern Ireland, Michelle O'Neill, has never personally been involved in any terrorist activities.
Interesting to see that there is also now a lot of talk about Sinn Fein abrogating their responsibilities by not taking up their seats in Westminster and being involved in shaping Brexit. We live in interesting times indeed.