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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Bentley Bullet on June 09, 2017, 10:54:44 am
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So the Tories got more seats than Labour, but the Tories lost, and Labour won. How does the scoring work? Is it a bit like Golf, where those with the lowest score at the end wins?
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Labour didn't win, but they were the winners as they made pretty big inroads when they really weren't expected to. Tories will still manage to form a government, be it as a minority or with the help of the DUP.
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surprisingly enough - in common with every other election - unless you earn enough to simply not have to care, and entirely regardless of which party you may support - we will all lose; some more than others; nett result = same shit, different day for the working man....
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So the Tory's got more seats than Labour, but the Tory's lost, and Labour won. How does the scoring work? Is it a bit like Golf, where those with the lowest score at the end wins?
BB, i think you mistyped mate.
You missed the word "seats" after the words won and lost.
PS: the highest score wins in a golf game called stableford.
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Well she did lose a bigger lead than the rovers this season.
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mmmm, still managed to finish in the lead though, unlike the Rovers.
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The biggest winners are the DUP, and they've only got 10 seats.
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The DUPsters to hold the balance of power will not give stability for the long term. They have an interesting past;
So, who are the DUP? | openDemocracy (https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/so-who-are-dup)
It seems unlikely to hold until the EU negotiations are finalised in spring 2019, and the strain will show if the deal looks like disappointing some.
What price another election in October, with Mother Theresa standing down for a new leader with a more human persona?
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The DUPsters to hold the balance of power will not give stability for the long term. They have an interesting past;
So, who are the DUP? | openDemocracy (https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/so-who-are-dup)
It seems unlikely to hold until the EU negotiations are finalised in spring 2019, and the strain will show if the deal looks like disappointing some.
What price another election in October, with Mother Theresa standing down for a new leader with a more human persona?
Is there a Tory with a humane persona?
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The DUPsters to hold the balance of power will not give stability for the long term. They have an interesting past;
So, who are the DUP? | openDemocracy (https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/so-who-are-dup)
It seems unlikely to hold until the EU negotiations are finalised in spring 2019, and the strain will show if the deal looks like disappointing some.
What price another election in October, with Mother Theresa standing down for a new leader with a more human persona?
Is there a Tory with a humane persona?
Tori Amos is the nearest I think.
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Is there a Tory with a humane persona?
Tori Amos is the nearest I think.
would have added Tori Spelling to the mix, but - looking at recent photographs, she seems to be more synthetic than human(e) at the moment...
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Please don't mention spelling on here.😳
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Getting in bed with the DUP could end up in terrible trouble.... What do you suppose is going to happen to the Stormont government now when one party is effectively in alliance with the government that is supposed to be the neutral and honest arbiter getting the two sides of power sharing back together again? Sinn Fein are hardly likely to trust a Tory government running with support from the DUP are they? And that means direct rule will end up being imposed again sooner or later. That's when the troubles will really begin.
As for a humane Tory, has there actually been one since the advent to power of that bloody woman in 1979?
BobG
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So the Tories got more seats than Labour, but the Tories lost, and Labour won. How does the scoring work? Is it a bit like Golf, where those with the lowest score at the end wins?
Its known as the Scottish effect BB. You know like in Scotland where the SNP got more seats than all the other parties put together lost, and the conservative leader, who didn't even stand for election, won.
This Scottish effect is compounded of course by the fact that only 42% of those who voted supported the 'winning' party. But there you go. They lost and they won. Or was it the other way around? I still wont believe it until Boris Johnson and BST come out and confirm it.
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Talk about the tail wagging the dog the DUP will have a big say in controlling the country with 10 seats and less than 1% of the vote:
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-uk-election/
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Wonder what price you could get on a second election in the next 12 months...
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Pretty short! How about a double? New election and new Tory leader inside 12 months?
BobG
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Talk about the tail wagging the dog the DUP will have a big say in controlling the country with 10 seats and less than 1% of the vote:
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-uk-election/
They can support the Tories on English law as well
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Pretty short! How about a double? New election and new Tory leader inside 12 months?
BobG
Now you're talking.
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think it's time the liberal democrats had a change of policy for the sake of the country
originally we had
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/22/lib-dems-no-coalition-tim-farron-general-election
Farron said the change of approach was approved by former leader Nick Clegg, who was deputy prime minister in the Tory-led coalition
WHO IS NOW BROWN BREAD AND FARRON ONLY JUST POPPED OUT OF THE TOASTER IN TIME WITH A 777 (THAT'S 666+111) IF HE HAD LOST A COALITION WOULD HAVE BEEN ON ???
but after
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40209503
Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron has narrowly kept his seat in parliament by 777 votes after a recount.
Mr Farron saw his majority in Westmorland & Lonsdale cut by 8,172 ahead of Conservative James Airey.
THE PARTY HAS A CHOICE STAY IRRELEVANT OR MAKE SACRIFICES FOR THE COUNTRY
and by the way I predicted a tory majority of twelve Not 112 as others might have thought
IT'S NEVER TOO LATE IN POLITICS
My ball says an overall majority of 12 seats for Mrs May
and Corbin will be back to eating cold baked beans out of a tin with a spoon
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3199550/Take-No-Jeremy-liked-night-eating-cold-beans-cat-called-Harold-Wilson-Corbyn-s-wife-reveals.html
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The best that Mother Maybot can hope for is to stagger on until the party conference, where she will face the music. Her allies have been purged, by way of sacrificial offering to the enraged.
I am looking forward to the re-emergence of my favourite political animal, the "stalking horse", coming to test the resolve of the party faithful behind the Supreme Leader.
Meanwhile, in NI there is little prospect of a government on the horizon.
The neanderthals from the DUP will also cause ruptions within the Tory network. I see Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson has got the heeby-jeebies about their anti-gay stance.
The EU negotiators must be laughing their nads off in Brussels!
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And the folk of Northern Ireland must be fearing the return of all sorts of dreadful possibilities....
Cheers
BobG
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Theresa May spent £100 million of public money to reduce her own majority. Still, I reckon she'll do a grand job negotiating Brexit.
BobG
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£130 million - you can buy a lot of magic money trees for that these days...
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Interesting position re Thanet.
Craig Mackinlay was re-elected for thr Tories. Trouble is, he has been charged with electoral fraud for his expenses in 2015.
Should Mackinley be found guilty, he will presumably be required to stand down.
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Has anyone worked out how the f**k the Tories won Mansfield yet?
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Has anyone worked out how the f**k the Tories won Mansfield yet?
may well have started around this -- ????
http://www.chad.co.uk/news/mansfield-post-office-set-to-move-this-week-1-8423174
Our online poll showed 66 per cent of respondents did not support the relocation of the branch.
Mayor Kate Allsop previously criticised the plan.
She said: "The White Hart Street and Church Street area is a vital part of the town centre with many independent retailers who rely on footfall.
"The current location of the post office helps to maintain footfall in this area and supports those local retailers."
and you couldn't count on the returning officer to get the right result
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-oscars-moment-wrong-10592545
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Wonder what price you could get on a second election in the next 12 months...
11/8.
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And the pound plunges down thanks to the Election, it has gone from gaining strength prior to Thursday to dropping like a stone, you cannot blame the Tories for that you can blame the others . I see that Corbyn was going to pay all student fees, someone has told me but did he know where the money was coming from, well it certainly convinced the young voters who did not think beyond something for nothing, the country is now in the pooh. Well done y'all
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And the pound plunges down thanks to the Election, it has gone from gaining strength prior to Thursday to dropping like a stone, you cannot blame the Tories for that you can blame the others . I see that Corbyn was going to pay all student fees, someone has told me but did he know where the money was coming from, well it certainly convinced the young voters who did not think beyond something for nothing, the country is now in the pooh. Well done y'all
The Labour manifesto was fully costed, the Tory manifesto was devoid of figures, who had made the better plans?
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...so are you trying to say this is Jeremy Corbyn's fault or?
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I don't follow your logic Bally; it is all the other parties fault for getting votes and therefore preventing a Tory majority? Is that it?
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The pound fell the second the exit poll predicted a hung Parliament. Currency markets like stability so that the future can be predicted with certainty and plans made accordingly - and a hung Parliament is the opposite of stability as who knows (a) how long May can survive; (b) who will take over from her; and (c) how soon there's going to be another election, and more uncertainty because of that.
All three can be firmly laid at Theresa May's doorstep as there was absolutely NO reason to call an election at all when she had all the stability she needed to do anything she wanted. She called the election for sheer political opportunism and it blew up in her face.
If you don't believe me...would the pound be where it is if the election hadn't taken place?
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The blame lies at the Tories' door for complacency allied with/resulting in a ridiculously poor campaign - you can't blame the electorate for voting elsewhere on the strengths of the respective campaigns.
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The Tories have been making poor decisions for the last few years in my eyes.
The austerity programme really worked.
The promise of a referendum and being so confident of winning it that all Cameron could do was threaten any potential or actual Brexiters.
Overconfidence in calling an unnecessary election.
Ditching the austerity policy three years ago might have won enough people over to remain plus putting more people into work.
They are now saying policies have to be changed and people listened to.
Where was this idea two weeks ago?
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Bally
The young have been ignored for years.
Student debt in the many thousands.
Poor job prospects.
Zero hour contracts.
No chance of buying a house.
Compare that to our generation. We could change jobs anytime. I bought a house when I was 19. No problem.
At least Labour have recognised this and tried to help.
The tories would just help rich kids and those bright enough to go to new Grammar schools.
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Weren't tuition fees brought in because some school leavers were benefiting from free university tuition but not even bothering to attend classes? If that is correct, what would be different now?
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No doubt some of the people moaning about students voting for free tuition fees,got free uni education when they left school.
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Weren't tuition fees brought in because some school leavers were benefiting from free university tuition but not even bothering to attend classes? If that is correct, what would be different now?
No,they weren't.
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Filo, it is alright saying "WE will pay all fees, but if it was the Tories who did not state where the money was coming from ??? all hell would brake loose. The Labour Party were playing with Monopoly money
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Bally
The young have been ignored for years.
Student debt in the many thousands.
Poor job prospects.
Zero hour contracts.
No chance of buying a house.
Compare that to our generation. We could change jobs anytime. I bought a house when I was 19. No problem.
At least Labour have recognised this and tried to help.
The tories would just help rich kids and those bright enough to go to new Grammar schools.
My son got aDegree at Uni and left almost two years ago so did his girlfriend.
Job 1 Carrilion doing Data input well a job for years? he was sent down the road with several others after the workload hade been caught up on
Job2 CEX selling electronic stuff (Pawnbroker) and buying from druggies and the destitute 6 months
Job 3 He is selling Borrittos in a food take away until tomorrow been there about 8 months.
Fkn Degree yep he voted Labour at Hallam and the Labour Candidate got in and my son is chuffed.
Three jobs all less than minimum wage all zero hours all no contract . Oh You do not have to tell me anything I can assure you.. He has now got accepted at The Uni of Sheff to do a Masters - More debt and will need a part time job as well so they can pay rent on the flat.
The Pound dropped. It is all the fault of the Tories. GB should stay in EU and Labour in Power. Yep that will do me. Rovers to get relegated . Yes I was in the Police and Yes I am from Dunscroft yes I come from a Labour family. So......??????? YOUR POINT ?????
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Weren't tuition fees brought in because some school leavers were benefiting from free university tuition but not even bothering to attend classes? If that is correct, what would be different now?
If it isn't correct where do you get your information from?
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Filo, it is alright saying "WE will pay all fees, but if it was the Tories who did not state where the money was coming from ??? all hell would brake loose. The Labour Party were playing with Monopoly money
Two questions Bally:
How many other countries across the world have university tuition fees?
Should all children have access to university - or just the rich?
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Bally
The young have been ignored for years.
Student debt in the many thousands.
Poor job prospects.
Zero hour contracts.
No chance of buying a house.
Compare that to our generation. We could change jobs anytime. I bought a house when I was 19. No problem.
At least Labour have recognised this and tried to help.
The tories would just help rich kids and those bright enough to go to new Grammar schools.
My son got aDegree at Uni and left almost two years ago so did his girlfriend.
Job 1 Carrilion doing Data input well a job for years? he was sent down the road with several others after the workload hade been caught up on
Job2 CEX selling electronic stuff (Pawnbroker) and buying from druggies and the destitute 6 months
Job 3 He is selling Borrittos in a food take away until tomorrow been there about 8 months.
Fkn Degree yep he voted Labour at Hallam and the Labour Candidate got in and my son is chuffed.
Three jobs all less than minimum wage all zero hours all no contract . Oh You do not have to tell me anything I can assure you.. He has now got accepted at The Uni of Sheff to do a Masters - More debt and will need a part time job as well so they can pay rent on the flat.
The Pound dropped. It is all the fault of the Tories. GB should stay in EU and Labour in Power. Yep that will do me. Rovers to get relegated . Yes I was in the Police and Yes I am from Dunscroft yes I come from a Labour family. So......??????? YOUR POINT ?????
My point?
In your post you said the young saw they got something for nothing so voted Labour.
My point is that they have been ignored by successive governments including Labour and that Corbyns Labour are trying to do something about it.
The pound dropping is irrrelevant. It always happens when the Tories dont do well, it means nothing. It'll recover when the speculators have made their money.
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My eldest granddaughter is a graduate and works at a school as a special needs helper to get experience.
She gets a lift with a full time employee there.
A couple of weeks ago she was told twice in three days that she wasn't needed when she got there leaving her to catch two buses to get home.
She gets £50 a day when she works but some weeks isn't needed at all.
She is very disillusioned at the minute and at the moment regrets going to uni.
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Filo, it is alright saying "WE will pay all fees, but if it was the Tories who did not state where the money was coming from ??? all hell would brake loose. The Labour Party were playing with Monopoly money
Monopoly money yet they state how they'd fund it..?
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To deviate slightly from thread, why does it seem that everybody considers the option of going to Uni these days? When I was a lad you had to have a certain level of intelligence to qualify for Uni, nowadays it doesn't seem to matter if you're as thick as f**k.
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I think the recent push towards apprenticeships is a healthy thing as a lot of potential employers nowadays seem to value experience over qualifications and this is a good way of breaking into the cycle. Also doesn't mean you're thick if you go for one over university as some people seem to think.
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Exactly, not going to Uni does seem to signify failure these days, especially when it appears that anybody can get a place. There are a couple of young'ens that I know who have found a place that would have been better off stopping on at normal school to learn to read and write.
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Weren't tuition fees brought in because some school leavers were benefiting from free university tuition but not even bothering to attend classes? If that is correct, what would be different now?
If it isn't correct where do you get your information from?
I don't know if it isn't correct, that's why I'm asking the experts. I got the information after listening to opinions of other experts around the time the Labour government introduced the tuition fees.
Obviously, even if it is true, it wouldn't have been given as one of the official reasons, what with the PC brigade having a dicky fit and all that.
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Filo, it is alright saying "WE will pay all fees, but if it was the Tories who did not state where the money was coming from ??? all hell would brake loose. The Labour Party were playing with Monopoly money
Fully costed, are you ignoring that bit?
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Weren't tuition fees brought in because some school leavers were benefiting from free university tuition but not even bothering to attend classes? If that is correct, what would be different now?
If it isn't correct where do you get your information from?
I don't know if it isn't correct, that's why I'm asking the experts. I got the information after listening to opinions of other experts around the time the Labour government introduced the tuition fees.
Obviously, even if it is true, it wouldn't have been given as one of the official reasons, what with the PC brigade having a dicky fit and all that.
Obviously. Not even if it fits in with the non-PC brigade's attitude to 'alternative facts'?
If that was Labour's reason for introducing tuition fees what was the reason for the Tory coalition trebling them btw?
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And moving the conversation on a little, can any of you politics experts say if it is Labour or the Tories fault that the NHS now has a shortfall of 40 000 nurses?
http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/12/nhs-facing-major-crisis-after-brexit-leaves-hospitals-40000-nurses-short-6704236/
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To deviate slightly from thread, why does it seem that everybody considers the option of going to Uni these days? When I was a lad you had to have a certain level of intelligence to qualify for Uni, nowadays it doesn't seem to matter if you're as thick as f**k.
I've been saying something similar for years BB.
A university place might be a right but it does seem easier to go for a degree than in previous eras.
What is the point of hundreds or thousands going to university with little or no chance of furthering a career with it. That money would be better spent on education for younger pupils in my opinion.
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Weren't tuition fees brought in because some school leavers were benefiting from free university tuition but not even bothering to attend classes? If that is correct, what would be different now?
If it isn't correct where do you get your information from?
His crystal ball.
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I don't follow your logic Bally; it is all the other parties fault for getting votes and therefore preventing a Tory majority? Is that it?
No. The Tories still won the General Election. That is fact
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Weren't tuition fees brought in because some school leavers were benefiting from free university tuition but not even bothering to attend classes? If that is correct, what would be different now?
If it isn't correct where do you get your information from?
I don't know if it isn't correct, that's why I'm asking the experts. I got the information after listening to opinions of other experts around the time the Labour government introduced the tuition fees.
Obviously, even if it is true, it wouldn't have been given as one of the official reasons, what with the PC brigade having a dicky fit and all that.
Obviously. Not even if it fits in with the non-PC brigade's attitude to 'alternative facts'?
If that was Labour's reason for introducing tuition fees what was the reason for the Tory coalition trebling them btw?
Maybe the Tory coalition's decision was for different reasons. Perhaps part of the reason was to cover the cost of EU students whose intention was to bugger off back home without paying their loans off after gaining their degrees.
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The pound fell the second the exit poll predicted a hung Parliament. Currency markets like stability so that the future can be predicted with certainty and plans made accordingly - and a hung Parliament is the opposite of stability as who knows (a) how long May can survive; (b) who will take over from her; and (c) how soon there's going to be another election, and more uncertainty because of that.
All three can be firmly laid at Theresa May's doorstep as there was absolutely NO reason to call an election at all when she had all the stability she needed to do anything she wanted. She called the election for sheer political opportunism and it blew up in her face.
If you don't believe me...would the pound be where it is if the election hadn't taken place?
Well I actually think the election was called to give stability and continuity in the discussions that are to follow next week in the ill fated it would appear Brexit talks. The five year plan would have seen and exit as Britain wanted and it would have had three good years in place for the next government to take over even if were to be the BNP.
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The blame lies at the Tories' door for complacency allied with/resulting in a ridiculously poor campaign - you can't blame the electorate for voting elsewhere on the strengths of the respective campaigns.
Last year it was at Camerons door for being too cocky and assuming the British people would vote remain, that is why he said there would only be one Referendum and ever since people have contrived to have it reversed then we had all the stupid Court action started by Gina Miller or should I say she fronted it
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The Tories have been making poor decisions for the last few years in my eyes.
The austerity programme really worked.
The promise of a referendum and being so confident of winning it that all Cameron could do was threaten any potential or actual Brexiters.
Overconfidence in calling an unnecessary election.
Ditching the austerity policy three years ago might have won enough people over to remain plus putting more people into work.
They are now saying policies have to be changed and people listened to.
Where was this idea two weeks ago?
idler
I agree entirely
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Weren't tuition fees brought in because some school leavers were benefiting from free university tuition but not even bothering to attend classes? If that is correct, what would be different now?
If it isn't correct where do you get your information from?
His crystal ball.
Iberian Red. I do the funnies - You don't.
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Bally
The young have been ignored for years.
Student debt in the many thousands.
Poor job prospects.
Zero hour contracts.
No chance of buying a house.
Compare that to our generation. We could change jobs anytime. I bought a house when I was 19. No problem.
At least Labour have recognised this and tried to help.
The tories would just help rich kids and those bright enough to go to new Grammar schools.
Tommy - Do you know when I was in local Politics there was a Councillor who would go into the planning dept at DMBC and see what was going to be given in the Thorne Area and then he would put out a press release stating that HE WOULD MAKE IT HAPPEN and then when it obviously did, he claimed the praise - Politicians are very Clever, when things are clearly not working they do a little research to seek a Strategy (POlitical Term) it really means a fixit when the matter has been fkd up previously and THAT is what Labour did , well all accept Ms Abbott who last week was put in a cupboard by Corbyn and there were many on here who absolutely crucified her for not knowing the true costs to make things happen, but then she was poorly of course
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No doubt some of the people moaning about students voting for free tuition fees,got free uni education when they left school.
Well my lad did not and I worked at The Plant. so it did not do us any good.
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Filo, it is alright saying "WE will pay all fees, but if it was the Tories who did not state where the money was coming from ??? all hell would brake loose. The Labour Party were playing with Monopoly money
Two questions Bally:
How many other countries across the world have university tuition fees?
Should all children have access to university - or just the rich?
Wilts. WE are not talking about any other country though are we?
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Bally
The young have been ignored for years.
Student debt in the many thousands.
Poor job prospects.
Zero hour contracts.
No chance of buying a house.
Compare that to our generation. We could change jobs anytime. I bought a house when I was 19. No problem.
At least Labour have recognised this and tried to help.
OK TOMMY Corbyn is a Politician and slated by most on here, all of a sudden he is the promised son.
The tories would just help rich kids and those bright enough to go to new Grammar schools.
My son got aDegree at Uni and left almost two years ago so did his girlfriend.
Job 1 Carrilion doing Data input well a job for years? he was sent down the road with several others after the workload hade been caught up on
Job2 CEX selling electronic stuff (Pawnbroker) and buying from druggies and the destitute 6 months
Job 3 He is selling Borrittos in a food take away until tomorrow been there about 8 months.
Fkn Degree yep he voted Labour at Hallam and the Labour Candidate got in and my son is chuffed.
Three jobs all less than minimum wage all zero hours all no contract . Oh You do not have to tell me anything I can assure you.. He has now got accepted at The Uni of Sheff to do a Masters - More debt and will need a part time job as well so they can pay rent on the flat.
The Pound dropped. It is all the fault of the Tories. GB should stay in EU and Labour in Power. Yep that will do me. Rovers to get relegated . Yes I was in the Police and Yes I am from Dunscroft yes I come from a Labour family. So......??????? YOUR POINT ?????
My point?
In your post you said the young saw they got something for nothing so voted Labour.
My point is that they have been ignored by successive governments including Labour and that Corbyns Labour are trying to do something about it.
The pound dropping is irrrelevant. It always happens when the Tories dont do well, it means nothing. It'll recover when the speculators have made their money.
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To deviate slightly from thread, why does it seem that everybody considers the option of going to Uni these days? When I was a lad you had to have a certain level of intelligence to qualify for Uni, nowadays it doesn't seem to matter if you're as thick as f**k.
Yes BB you and I got a good education but which Party tried to make even the poor kids get a place?
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I think the recent push towards apprenticeships is a healthy thing as a lot of potential employers nowadays seem to value experience over qualifications and this is a good way of breaking into the cycle. Also doesn't mean you're thick if you go for one over university as some people seem to think.
Red...... The Politicians came up with the apprenticeships again after realising that there were no trades up and running after promoting I.T. for the last 20 years or so. All new Police recruits are to be in possesion of a University Degree? Well that will go down well in a pub fight in one of our villages, I have worked in the Police with some graduates ffs nearly got me killed
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Right Thank you all, Sorry for hogging this at the Mo but I cannot play on the computer until my daughter went to bed.
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Weren't tuition fees brought in because some school leavers were benefiting from free university tuition but not even bothering to attend classes? If that is correct, what would be different now?
If it isn't correct where do you get your information from?
I don't know if it isn't correct, that's why I'm asking the experts. I got the information after listening to opinions of other experts around the time the Labour government introduced the tuition fees.
Obviously, even if it is true, it wouldn't have been given as one of the official reasons, what with the PC brigade having a dicky fit and all that.
Obviously. Not even if it fits in with the non-PC brigade's attitude to 'alternative facts'?
If that was Labour's reason for introducing tuition fees what was the reason for the Tory coalition trebling them btw?
Maybe the Tory coalition's decision was for different reasons. Perhaps part of the reason was to cover the cost of EU students whose intention was to bugger off back home without paying their loans off after gaining their degrees.
Ahh I see. This problem with EU (and home) students defaulting on loans - has it got better or worse since they made that decision?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672898/eu-students-uk-taxpayers-89-million-fee-fleeing-tuition-fees
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As we know the Loans are paid back per PAYE and if they gone back then it is not going to get paid, I do not see any solution to that matter.
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Now come on Wilts, play the game! If ever I dare use an Express link I/it gets immediately ridiculed!
It seems that the situation has got better for the majority of students, seeing as only a third of them actually pay their fees off.
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Wilts, apologies for being pedantic, but how many other countries across the world have university tuition fees?
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Bally
The young have been ignored for years.
Student debt in the many thousands.
Poor job prospects.
Zero hour contracts.
No chance of buying a house.
Compare that to our generation. We could change jobs anytime. I bought a house when I was 19. No problem.
At least Labour have recognised this and tried to help.
The tories would just help rich kids and those bright enough to go to new Grammar schools.
Tommy - Do you know when I was in local Politics there was a Councillor who would go into the planning dept at DMBC and see what was going to be given in the Thorne Area and then he would put out a press release stating that HE WOULD MAKE IT HAPPEN and then when it obviously did, he claimed the praise - Politicians are very Clever, when things are clearly not working they do a little research to seek a Strategy (POlitical Term) it really means a fixit when the matter has been fkd up previously and THAT is what Labour did , well all accept Ms Abbott who last week was put in a cupboard by Corbyn and there were many on here who absolutely crucified her for not knowing the true costs to make things happen, but then she was poorly of course
You are describing a dishonest politician Bally which has no relevance to the arguement.
If you are then trying to say that Labour could see what was wrong in their opinion and outline policies that would put it right then isn't that what all politicians are supposed to do?
Hardly a point worth making IMO.
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Bally
The young have been ignored for years.
Student debt in the many thousands.
Poor job prospects.
Zero hour contracts.
No chance of buying a house.
Compare that to our generation. We could change jobs anytime. I bought a house when I was 19. No problem.
At least Labour have recognised this and tried to help.
The tories would just help rich kids and those bright enough to go to new Grammar schools.
Tommy - Do you know when I was in local Politics there was a Councillor who would go into the planning dept at DMBC and see what was going to be given in the Thorne Area and then he would put out a press release stating that HE WOULD MAKE IT HAPPEN and then when it obviously did, he claimed the praise - Politicians are very Clever, when things are clearly not working they do a little research to seek a Strategy (POlitical Term) it really means a fixit when the matter has been fkd up previously and THAT is what Labour did , well all accept Ms Abbott who last week was put in a cupboard by Corbyn and there were many on here who absolutely crucified her for not knowing the true costs to make things happen, but then she was poorly of course
You are describing a dishonest politician Bally which has no relevance to the arguement.
If you are then trying to say that Labour could see what was wrong in their opinion and outline policies that would put it right then isn't that what all politicians are supposed to do?
Hardly a point worth making IMO.
Let the first man who is without sin, cast the first stone.
Your first line complains of a dishonest politician, remember you said that and not me.
Your next line would suggest that it is alright to do the same but in a diverse way
your line three , well you are entitled to your opinion as am I
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I give up trying to debate with you Bally.
What are you on about?
You brought up the bent politician. Then you try to link it to normal right and proper day to day normal politics as far as I can see.
A couple of weeks ago you said with regards to all this' Leave me out as I'm not bothered'
Since then you've posted loads of ill informed claptrap.
Listen to your own advice man.
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Yes Tommy - But YOU said the politician was bent not me. Klap Trap. Interesting but since I had enough which you are correct I DID There have been two mass murders on these isles and a General Election do you not think my views have been affected. But as you want to be right you just be yourself . Have you never changed your opinion ????????????????????
Let the first man that is without sin cast the first stone. Well you have defied logic you must be the only one without any sin...You should be really proud of yourself.
Welcome to my world - I tell you what just enjoy the moment :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Me without sin? 😃
I once ran through a farmers wheatfield.
Plus I dont see what my sins have got anything to do with what we are discussing on here.
As I said I give up.
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Now you are just being silly
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Me without sin? 😃
I once ran through a farmers wheatfield.
Excellent!
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I thought it was a bit corny.
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Hay . Do not encourage him that is the last straw
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To deviate slightly from thread, why does it seem that everybody considers the option of going to Uni these days? When I was a lad you had to have a certain level of intelligence to qualify for Uni, nowadays it doesn't seem to matter if you're as thick as f**k.
I've been saying something similar for years BB.
A university place might be a right but it does seem easier to go for a degree than in previous eras.
What is the point of hundreds or thousands going to university with little or no chance of furthering a career with it. That money would be better spent on education for younger pupils in my opinion.
Simple. It helps make the 'Unemployed' figures look good, as does getting people to work longer!
Of course, both have a severe impact further down the line.
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I took redundancy aged 53 and went to register at the Job Centre.
A mate aged 60 went with me as he left the same day as me.
He was told, " You already have enough stamps for your state pension,so if you want you don't have to sign on unless looking for work".
That was another off the figures.
I started a new job the following Monday, found with no help from them.
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I was finished 4 weeks after I was 51 - Don't bother looking for work no one will employ you...Lovely - Done at 51 scrap heap Exactly 12months to the month my wife died aged 46 f**kin Brill I think not.
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Wilts, apologies for being pedantic, but how many other countries across the world have university tuition fees?
I am not sure BB but i do know that England has the highest fees in the world. Students in France pay £346 per year and Belgium, Germany, Italy and Austria less than £1000. Scotland have just introduced them - although of course English students pay the full £9k there.
The US doesn't have a national rate and it is much easier to get scolarships and bursaries there too.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/university-tuition-fees-england-highest-world-compare-students-student-loan-calculator-a7654276.html
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/nov/24/uk-has-highest-undergraduate-tuition-fees-in-industrialised-world-survey-finds
As you say this has caused student debt to rise so much in the past 5 years - average £44000 (twice as much as US students) - that 70% of current students are never expected to earn enough to be able to pay it off. Thus costing the government/tax payer around £8billion.
There is also the knock-on effect in that whilst they are paying off their debts these people will have less money to contribute to the economy in the future. Its a huge problem we are stocking up for 5, 10, 15 years time - all for the sake of a terrible austerity policy.
https://www.ft.com/content/55f4a6f6-3eab-11e6-9f2c-36b487ebd80a
http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/education/exploding-student-debt-ripples-uks-economy/17/01/
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It was only ever austerity for some though Wilts.
How could someone like George Osborne with his start in life and numerous part time jobs while earning more as an MP than most understand the despair of poverty and being out of work?
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Me without sin? 😃
I once ran through a farmers wheatfield.
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That was a sin as we were playing golf 2 fairways left of the Wheat field !
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I was finished 4 weeks after I was 51 - Don't bother looking for work no one will employ you...Lovely - Done at 51 scrap heap Exactly 12months to the month my wife died aged 46 f**kin Brill I think not.
That's utter rubbish Bally. Total claptrap. I'm 61. I have had 4 different, well paying, jobs in the last 5 years. My most recent started when I was 60. I expect to start another while I'm 61. Grow up man.
BobG
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The DUPsters to hold the balance of power will not give stability for the long term. They have an interesting past;
So, who are the DUP? | openDemocracy (https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/so-who-are-dup)
It seems unlikely to hold until the EU negotiations are finalised in spring 2019, and the strain will show if the deal looks like disappointing some.
What price another election in October, with Mother Theresa standing down for a new leader with a more human persona?
Is there a Tory with a humane persona?
Oh come on Filo there are many Labour who don't live in the real world either and lack both humanity and personality....it's not just Tories .
Don't let your own prejudices get in the way all the time ......there's many a t**t in Westminster.
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Filo, it is alright saying "WE will pay all fees, but if it was the Tories who did not state where the money was coming from ??? all hell would brake loose. The Labour Party were playing with Monopoly money
Fully costed, are you ignoring that bit?
It was indeed and was found by the IFS to have had more holes in it than the proverbial sieve.
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Filo, it is alright saying "WE will pay all fees, but if it was the Tories who did not state where the money was coming from ??? all hell would brake loose. The Labour Party were playing with Monopoly money
Fully costed, are you ignoring that bit?
It was indeed and was found by the IFS to have had more holes in it than the proverbial sieve.
Don't try and talk sense to the indoctrinated, which ever way they lean
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Filo, it is alright saying "WE will pay all fees, but if it was the Tories who did not state where the money was coming from ??? all hell would brake loose. The Labour Party were playing with Monopoly money
Fully costed, are you ignoring that bit?
It was indeed and was found by the IFS to have had more holes in it than the proverbial sieve.
Don't try and talk sense to the indoctrinated, which ever way they lean
I know Ldr and I have a daughter studying at Leeds Uni, I'm hoping she won't find her working life that more difficult because she has studied rather than has experience.
Incidentally she says the Student Unions seem to be veering once again into Socialist Worker territory . It was the students of both Sheffield and Leeds Unis that ensured that every constituency in South and West Yorkshire turned completely " red ". It was a vote for Leave with 2 Lib/Dems being booted out .
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I was finished 4 weeks after I was 51 - Don't bother looking for work no one will employ you...Lovely - Done at 51 scrap heap Exactly 12months to the month my wife died aged 46 f**kin Brill I think not.
That's utter rubbish Bally. Total claptrap. I'm 61. I have had 4 different, well paying, jobs in the last 5 years. My most recent started when I was 60. I expect to start another while I'm 61. Grow up man.
BobG
Right gob shite At 51 I was diagnosed with ischemic angina, not through drink over eating fatty foods, I was a keep fit fanatic. Vegetarian that had a pint now and then. So Far? Now this angina was STRESS related and classed as mental health. I had a nervous breakdown, my mother died my wife died and I stood alone 200 foot at the top of cliff's in County Donegal for two hours. So Far.
I applied for jobs and when I told the Incapacity People, they laughed and "Who would employ you" I had a heart complaint. I have a mental illness and I have a very fkn short fuse. I do not go to games that cause problems am on more tablets than I care to count, brought a lad up on my own. But remembered how to save a 16yr old lads life - you were there. And So Far? As for feeling sorry for myself?? ffs I am likely to have a heart attack with any warning, not for carrying anything heavy, but just having an outburst with nobs like you and perhaps in a day, hour or ten minutes from now an attack...Yes looking after nobs like you for 27 years. Feel sorry for myself ? No my God took my wife's life. Oh and wern't you the lucky one, you had WELL PAYING jobs. wooppe dooo. I do wish we all are as lucky as you. perhaps watching your mother die, suffer a mental breakdown and watch your wife die all in two years to the month might just take a bob or two out of your pocket for a funeral. Now You grow up and be careful what you ask for.
Oh , and f**k OFF
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Oh poor thing Diane Abbott what a shame she is poorly
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40268505
What a pityfull excuse
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Well paid jobs evidently can't buy class or humility.
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Thats a lot you've had to put up with Bally but everyone has tragedy in their lives.
I lost my mother, sister in law, niece and worst of all my daughter to cancer all in two years. 2008/09.During which time my son was suffering badly with schizophrenia.
People having a go at you on a forum is nothing at all.
Laugh it off, calm down and look after yersen
Best wishes to you.
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Oh poor thing Diane Abbott what a shame she is poorly
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40268505
What a pityfull excuse
I take it diabetes isn't on your list of complaints.
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Thank you. I know I am no different to you or anyone else, yes "C" bas**rd that it is. I just flip at the toss of a coin and sadly can do nothing about it. you too Tommy, you take care my friend
Thank you
Also thank you Hoola.
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Oh poor thing Diane Abbott what a shame she is poorly
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40268505
What a pityfull excuse
I take it diabetes isn't on your list of complaints.
Glyn.....You are wrong my friend. Stress related diabetes caused by heart problems it is on the list . I did not think it important until Diane Abbott made it so.
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Oh poor thing Diane Abbott what a shame she is poorly
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40268505
What a pityfull excuse
I take it diabetes isn't on your list of complaints.
Glyn.....You are wrong my friend. Stress related diabetes caused by heart problems it is on the list . I did not think it important until Diane Abbott made it so.
In that case you can't have ever had it bad or you wouldn't be so disparaging of the effect it can have on people, including Abbott. Before I was diagnosed my short-term memory was so bad I went for Alzheimer's testing.
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Dont judge Bally so harshly Glyn. People who have been affected by tragedies can minimise other peoples issues which, to them, dont seem so serious, which to those suffering with those issues are.
I know. I've been guily of that myself in the past. ie how how can they feel like that about diabetes etc after all i've been through etc.
Its normal and just as valid no matter what your experience.
Ps
If I'm not making sense its coz i'm on the vodka
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Did your Mum never teach you any manners Bally? Or is that typicval of police behaviour?
You talked rubbish. I demonstrated how. Now sit up, read and learn. we've all got problems. I can't feel my feet any mnore. My son is in a mental hospital needing constant care. I have to work every hour God sends so i can pay all the extra support he needs . So grow up you big bully.
Cheers
BobG
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This tread is fast becoming a joke and needs locking, it's just an excuse to slag each other off
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This tread is fast becoming a joke and needs locking, it's just an excuse to slag each other off
Agreed. All quite sad really.
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Oh poor thing Diane Abbott what a shame she is poorly
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40268505
What a pityfull excuse
You have a bloody good memory for someone who has short term memory loss. Oh and you went for tests, I was diagnosed psychotic and suicidal. I do feel for you Glyn
I take it diabetes isn't on your list of complaints.
Glyn.....You are wrong my friend. Stress related diabetes caused by heart problems it is on the list . I did not think it important until Diane Abbott made it so.
In that case you can't have ever had it bad or you wouldn't be so disparaging of the effect it can have on people, including Abbott. Before I was diagnosed my short-term memory was so bad I went for Alzheimer's testing.
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Did your Mum never teach you any manners Bally? Or is that typicval of police behaviour?
You talked rubbish. I demonstrated how. Now sit up, read and learn. we've all got problems. I can't feel my feet any mnore. My son is in a mental hospital needing constant care. I have to work every hour God sends so i can pay all the extra support he needs . So grow up you big bully.
Cheers
BobG
Yes I am off Broadway at Dunscroft, my mammy taught me manners, with a cupboard shelf across my back a sweeping brush accross my face both very hard. She taught me by thumping me when I went in crying cos I had been hit to go back and thump whoever. Until 18 I was a punchbag in Dunscroft then any one could hammer me, But on reaching 18 it fukin altered and I would do to you what you tried to do to me by first and harder. A Bully flippin eck ? you arse hole. You have had it hard. - Your son not in the NHS, yes we can all jibe at peoples hardships and you have made a big mistake if you want to discuss it sometime. Now as for the Police? I can tell you pal me and people like me in that period of history did jobs you can never imagine. Oh by the way My own son suffered mental health problems because of his mother losing a 7 year battle.
You dare call me a Bully. look in the mirror. - also learn how to spell Dummy. Now run off and report me.....
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Oh poor thing Diane Abbott what a shame she is poorly
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40268505
What a pityfull excuse
And YOU Glyn follow suite. I have seen many horrible deaths and dealt with the families. Eventually like many other retired Firemen, Policemen and Ambulance men and women in all the jobs, it eventually gets to you. Then it is your own turn, diabetes is the least of my bloody worries, at least I can blame all my health issues on other people. But to say I not thinking of such people as Diane Abbott when most on here were after her gutts for garters before last Thursday - Do me a favour, give up.
I take it diabetes isn't on your list of complaints.
Glyn.....You are wrong my friend. Stress related diabetes caused by heart problems it is on the list . I did not think it important until Diane Abbott made it so.
In that case you can't have ever had it bad or you wouldn't be so disparaging of the effect it can have on people, including Abbott. Before I was diagnosed my short-term memory was so bad I went for Alzheimer's testing.
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Oh poor thing Diane Abbott what a shame she is poorly
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40268505
What a pityfull excuse
You have a bloody good memory for someone who has short term memory loss. Oh and you went for tests, I was diagnosed psychotic and suicidal. I do feel for you Glyn
I take it diabetes isn't on your list of complaints.
Glyn.....You are wrong my friend. Stress related diabetes caused by heart problems it is on the list . I did not think it important until Diane Abbott made it so.
In that case you can't have ever had it bad or you wouldn't be so disparaging of the effect it can have on people, including Abbott. Before I was diagnosed my short-term memory was so bad I went for Alzheimer's testing.
Try reading properly. I said before I was diagnosed, ie when my diabetes was running completely uncontrolled.
Psychotic, eh? That explains a lot but it doesn't excuse it.
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Does this suggest that when Corbyn removed her from her position it was an act of diabetesm?
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Oh poor thing Diane Abbott what a shame she is poorly
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40268505
Perhaps you should have taken better care of your health. _ insult me stix and stones Crack on.....
What a pityfull excuse
You have a bloody good memory for someone who has short term memory loss. Oh and you went for tests, I was diagnosed psychotic and suicidal. I do feel for you Glyn
I take it diabetes isn't on your list of complaints.
Glyn.....You are wrong my friend. Stress related diabetes caused by heart problems it is on the list . I did not think it important until Diane Abbott made it so.
In that case you can't have ever had it bad or you wouldn't be so disparaging of the effect it can have on people, including Abbott. Before I was diagnosed my short-term memory was so bad I went for Alzheimer's testing.
Try reading properly. I said before I was diagnosed, ie when my diabetes was running completely uncontrolled.
Psychotic, eh? That explains a lot but it doesn't excuse it.
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Does this suggest that when Corbyn removed her from her position it was an act of diabetesm?
BB yes he gave her a sweet sensation
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think it's time the liberal democrats had a change of policy for the sake of the country
originally we had
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/22/lib-dems-no-coalition-tim-farron-general-election
Farron said the change of approach was approved by former leader Nick Clegg, who was deputy prime minister in the Tory-led coalition
WHO IS NOW BROWN BREAD AND FARRON ONLY JUST POPPED OUT OF THE TOASTER IN TIME WITH A 777 (THAT'S 666+111) IF HE HAD LOST A COALITION WOULD HAVE BEEN ON ???
but after
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40209503
Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron has narrowly kept his seat in parliament by 777 votes after a recount.
Mr Farron saw his majority in Westmorland & Lonsdale cut by 8,172 ahead of Conservative James Airey.
THE PARTY HAS A CHOICE STAY IRRELEVANT OR MAKE SACRIFICES FOR THE COUNTRY
and by the way I predicted a tory majority of twelve Not 112 as others might have thought
IT'S NEVER TOO LATE IN POLITICS
My ball says an overall majority of 12 seats for Mrs May
and Corbin will be back to eating cold baked beans out of a tin with a spoon
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3199550/Take-No-Jeremy-liked-night-eating-cold-beans-cat-called-Harold-Wilson-Corbyn-s-wife-reveals.html
so the alleged "leader" of the lib-demolishers has resigned
going to be a while before someone draws the short draw for leadership
doesn't need a lot of brain cells for their mp's to do a u turn
as that "666" bloke in France said they can still change their minds for the sake of the country
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Yes Bally. I do dare. As you can see. I try to argue a case. I may not be right but I give verifiable facts to support my position. if you can present facts that change the case then I will accept them and the revised position they lead to. What I do not accept as valid reasons for changing my view are farcical statements of utter rubbish from abusive bullies.
Cheers
BobG
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Oh poor thing Diane Abbott what a shame she is poorly
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40268505
What a pityfull excuse
"second rate" diabetes !!! now where have I heard that before ??
at least the pm got promoted to a "first" without a viva
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/About_us/News/Balance-interview-with-Theresa-May/
She was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes, but, when the medication didn’t work she went for further tests and, eventually, the news came back that she had Type 1.
I am sure we all hadn't forgotten this including the previous poster
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Yes Bally. I do dare. As you can see. I try to argue a case. I may not be right but I give verifiable facts to support my position. if you can present facts that change the case then I will accept them and the revised position they lead to. What I do not accept as valid reasons for changing my view are farcical statements of utter rubbish from abusive bullies.
Cheers
BobG
Stix and stones - you should have respect for your elders sonny - anyway that is end of it. I have respect for what happened in London on the night of Tuesday / Wednesday in London...Football / Politics against that fire nope no more comments any way name calling is all you have.
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I never knew the PM had Type 1 Diabetes! Having the condition myself, I have actually a little more respect for her; managing such a condition and mixing it with such stressful job, with such long hours, must be tough. And when you're so busy it's easy to miss the signs of a hypo. If I was sitting in the chamber and the speaker told me to stop eating when I needed to, I'd be tempted to stick a dextro up his arse!