Viking Supporters Co-operative
Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Mustapha-Dump on August 05, 2017, 10:52:02 am
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Morning ladies and gents,
I organise the games for the doncasters rovers supporters football team, the 'Donny R'sonists' and we've been contacted by Grimsby regarding a B team boycott supporters match for charity.
Essentially they are wanting to raise the profile for the B team boycott regarding the decision to let 'b teams' play in the checkatrade trophy group stage.
Their plan is to organise a supporters match between themselves and us on August 29th the same evening our 2 sides would meet in the competition and attempt to get a higher attendance at a supporters game than at the actual game, and raise some money for charity in the process.
The charity we will be raising for on our part is bluebell wood.
Grimsby have sorted us a ground out to play at and will be trying to raise money through a small donation to watch, bucket collections etc. They inform me that the FSF will have representation present as well as a rep from #againstleague3.
Would be great if some of you could pop down and help us out with this one, we may also require a few extra players so if anyone is interested in playing, pop me a message.
Thanks, Louis
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https://internet-mariners.yapsody.com/event/index/129806/checkatrade-boycott-imfc-v-d-rsonists
Info available here, thanks
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Bump
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Giving this a nudge as it's a great idea and is taking place tomorrow night.
If you are able to get along and support, please do so.
Bit more background, and updated match details here (https://popularstand.wordpress.com/2017/08/11/the-fans-kicking-off-against-the-efl/)
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While I good idea if you don't agree with the cup, I think we gained valuable experience last season and in the end the clubs voted for it
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Aye, but it's not a protest at the existence of the Cup, which has been there for as long as I've been alive, but at the introduction of development sides to it.
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While I good idea if you don't agree with the cup, I think we gained valuable experience last season and in the end the clubs voted for it
But we could have got that "experience" irrespective of whether the development sides had taken part.
The clubs were effectively blackmailed into voting for it and it may come as a surprise to you that Shaun Harvey is not exactly the most principled character.
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I am in favour of the cup not the format but I am a ROVERS FAN and will be there even if I'm the only one in the ground our club needs this for it's development to move forward
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While I good idea if you don't agree with the cup, I think we gained valuable experience last season and in the end the clubs voted for it
But we could have got that "experience" irrespective of whether the development sides had taken part.
The clubs were effectively blackmailed into voting for it and it may come as a surprise to you that Shaun Harvey is not exactly the most principled character.
again does it really matter as long as the team benefits from it? And as most clubs had the opportunity to stop it this year and didn't there must be some advantage to it
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The cup will still be here. We will still benefit from playing in the competition. We don't benefit from sides entering their under 23 sides.
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Why not? What harm has it done?just about everyone moaned that until the finals it was a crap competition anyway
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It will benefit the players who need games mixture of young an experience. The only disadvantage we do not have another central defender of any age to give Butler or Wright some time out. We only have Alcock and Garrett as spare defenders.
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It's about the bigger picture though isn't it. The bigger clubs have been mumbling about introducing their B teams to the Football League for years, and we all know it doesn't take much for the FA to be swayed by their influence. Putting them in this competition is a stepping stone and a testing ground to that end result. It's increasingly about making football work for those at the top end of the Premier League and let the rest of us deal with the consequence.
Personally I find that attitude, belittling and patronising - the idea that somehow football at our level isn't proper football - it's bad enough getting that from fans who consume their football purely through the television, let alone getting it from the governing bodies too.
Rovers can still test their wider squad in this competition - I've no problem with them or any side from the bottom two divisions doing that; and i'm sure every person taking part in this boycott feels the same. But we shouldn't become a testing ground for other clubs who can't fit all the players they've stockpiled into their first team.
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Viva if bigger clubs want to do what you say they could put in a notional owner, and buy a club like ours if they really want to.
I am surprised it has not happened already,after all Arsenal owned Margate as a nursery team in the 1930s.
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Leaving aside the fact there's rules in place to prevent multi-club ownership, which lower league club's fans do you think would be happy for that to happen?
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It's all speculation thou viva, you don't actually know that they are testing the ground with this completion your guessing, you might be right but your as likely not to be
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You're right, I am guessing towards the long-term aims, but I still don't feel the FA should belittle it's member clubs by pitching them up against the reserve sides in some vague idea that it helps the national team's interests. If the FA really wanted young English players to gain more first team football, there are much better ways for it to do it than pitching them up against us and Port Vale, twice a season. But the other ways would involve having the balls to stand up to the Premier League clubs, so they don't consider them.
The protest is about a lot of things, and huge credit should go to the Grimsby lads that have set this boycott match up to make that point.
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We play far too much football anyway.
I would scrap both League and Johnstone's trophy. More focus on u-21 and reserve leagues.
Make FA Cup a champions league place.
Each week 75pc of games minimum made 3pm Saturday kick off.
Abolish Leeds United.
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It's all speculation thou viva, you don't actually know that they are testing the ground with this completion your guessing, you might be right but your as likely not to be
Not exactly wild speculation though. There were proposals to actually introduce B teams and create another tier of the Football League about a year or two ago weren't there?
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It will benefit the players who need games mixture of young an experience. The only disadvantage we do not have another central defender of any age to give Butler or Wright some time out. We only have Alcock and Garrett as spare defenders.
They will still benefit without the under 23 sides in the competition
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It they feel the need to change the competition they should put conference teams in it again. At least they up their game when playing league 1 and 2 sides, unlike the under 23 teams who clearly don't even want to be there. Wasn't there only one 'big' team (Swansea I think) actually got out of the group stages last year? Shows how seriously they take it.
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It's all speculation thou viva, you don't actually know that they are testing the ground with this completion your guessing, you might be right but your as likely not to be
Not exactly wild speculation though. There were proposals to actually introduce B teams and create another tier of the Football League about a year or two ago weren't there?
yes but they were rejected, the problem is most people didn't care about this competition tillthe area finals anyway so does it make any difference
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Grimsby are expecting a couple of hundred down to watch and support them so could really do with some rovers there to cheer us on.
For me, my biggest issue with this tournament is that as lower league club this is OUR competition, OUR chance to get to Wembley, OUR chance to lift a trophy. The premiership 'b' teams have no right to be in it, and it's patronising to have us line up against a youth team who have go no interest in the completion in the name of 'development'.
We could still enjoy all the plus points of this tournament without having to play against a team of Sunderland under 23's which will inevitably have players over 23 in it.
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Most people blame the da but the clubs were give. The opportunity to revert to the old format and rejected it
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It's all speculation thou viva, you don't actually know that they are testing the ground with this completion your guessing, you might be right but your as likely not to be
Not exactly wild speculation though. There were proposals to actually introduce B teams and create another tier of the Football League about a year or two ago weren't there?
yes but they were rejected, the problem is most people didn't care about this competition tillthe area finals anyway so does it make any difference
Well that's just it. It'll seep in that no one's arsed that they've done this cos "most people didn't care", and they'll use that to justify incremental changes and we'll sleep walk into B teams joining the League. Of course it makes a difference. It's bas**rdising the competition.
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Most people blame the da but the clubs were give. The opportunity to revert to the old format and rejected it
Under threat that the clubs would no longer receive money from the Premier League. They were forced into it.
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Morcombe were in a very bad place just last season,and were taken over by a foreign owner who very nearly took the club under.
I would rather a club become a feeder club of say Manchester City than go to the wall.
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https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/08/checkatrade-trophy-english-football-league
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Couple of other people's views
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I wonder how many would be boycotting it if we want all the way to the final at Wembley?
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I wonder how many would be boycotting it if we want all the way to the final at Wembley?
Well, I would. I'm nowt if not stoic in my stand points.
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Well I was up at 1am to go upto Aberdeen then back home via Glasgow and now on the way to the game
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Boycotting your own team
Mmmmmmmm
Seems like a good idea
:suicide:
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Boycotting your own team
Mmmmmmmm
Seems like a good idea
:suicide:
Demonstrating to the EFL & FA that they should take notice of fans' views and respect the integrity of the competition....priceless.
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But our club voted to keep it the same so are they not equally to blame
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Suppose you've chosen to ignore that the Premier League threatened to cut money if clubs voted against it, eh?
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Didn't think we voted for it as the the voted had already passed before we got to our vote so it didn't matter anyway
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No red j I don't think that happened this year
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300+ Donny fans there.
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No red j I don't think that happened this year
You sure?
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Not 100percent mate but thought they were given 3 options, 1 scrap last years format and go back to how it used to be and can't remember other 2 off my head
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There was the option to scrap the competition, or accept a modified competition which they went for. The PL increased the funding.
By the way, people keep mentioning the FA but it has absolutely nothing to do with them, its an EFL competition.
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Thank you most teams seemed happy with the format of am I wrong sm?
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Just a little 878 miles upto Scotland and d and then Grimsby to see a win on pens deffo worth going now £10 entry and 2 kids free
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Thank you most teams seemed happy with the format of am I wrong sm?
Yep. During our meeting we were given the figures for acceptance and it was very high. We were also given the data for those clubs who had consulted with their supporter groups and that was a high percentage too.
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Thank you I thought had read as much somewhere
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Not 100percent mate but thought they were given 3 options, 1 scrap last years format and go back to how it used to be and can't remember other 2 off my head
There was the option to scrap the competition, or accept a modified competition which they went for. The PL increased the funding.
By the way, people keep mentioning the FA but it has absolutely nothing to do with them, its an EFL competition.
And theres the answer scrap the competition or accept a modified competition you said it SM lose it or do what we tell you or nobody gets nothing
There was no choice bully boy tactics
Ok I accept it was EFL accepting it as opposed to the FA :)
So are you surprised that the acceptance by the EFL was high ........................
Sorry Martyn its all business and stuff the supporters because they don't give a stuff! ( I mean the the PL and EFL not the clubs)
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Accepting the format doesn't necessarily mean involving B teams. I'm in favour of the group type format as it gives clubs a chance to play players who might not normally get professional game time, but I'm not a fan of bas**rdising a tournament devised to give lower league clubs a chance to win something - even if it's not taken seriously by the B teams (which devalues it even more, arguably).
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Just to let everybody know that we ran out 1-0 winners in a greatly contested game with 161 fans in attendance and another 913 watching online so in total 1074 people watched our game tonight and we have raised £1200 and counting for local charities. All in all a great event for the fans.
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No red j and that's your choice, but it was put to the clubs that b teams were in the competition and the clubs agreed to it
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Not 100percent mate but thought they were given 3 options, 1 scrap last years format and go back to how it used to be and can't remember other 2 off my head
There was the option to scrap the competition, or accept a modified competition which they went for. The PL increased the funding.
By the way, people keep mentioning the FA but it has absolutely nothing to do with them, its an EFL competition.
And theres the answer scrap the competition or accept a modified competition you said it SM lose it or do what we tell you or nobody gets nothing
There was no choice bully boy tactics
Ok I accept it was EFL accepting it as opposed to the FA :)
So are you surprised that the acceptance by the EFL was high ........................
Sorry Martyn its all business and stuff the supporters because they don't give a stuff! ( I mean the the PL and EFL not the clubs)
Sorry daggers, but if you wish to kick up a fuss its always better to understand what the argument is. There is no real distinction between the clubs and the EFL, the clubs are the EFL! All the EFL board do is carry out the wishes and requirements of the clubs and one of those objectives was to turn that competition into something meaningful and to try and create more revenue. A failure to do that would mean that one of the options would be to scrap the competition. Its not a threat to either clubs or supporters, it was an option, one that was voiced by quite a of of supporters.
Attendances have always been poor in the early rounds, and with this current format the attendances have dropped again, but the income for the clubs has gone up. Seeing as its the clubs who make the decision then they have voted to trial the new format. Its certainly not bully boy tactics. The clubs voted for this, they didn't have to.
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It is a joke of a competition right now; extra friendlies for clubs to trial youth players, that's all it is.
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Not 100percent mate but thought they were given 3 options, 1 scrap last years format and go back to how it used to be and can't remember other 2 off my head
There was the option to scrap the competition, or accept a modified competition which they went for. The PL increased the funding.
By the way, people keep mentioning the FA but it has absolutely nothing to do with them, its an EFL competition.
And theres the answer scrap the competition or accept a modified competition you said it SM lose it or do what we tell you or nobody gets nothing
There was no choice bully boy tactics
Ok I accept it was EFL accepting it as opposed to the FA :)
So are you surprised that the acceptance by the EFL was high ........................
Sorry Martyn its all business and stuff the supporters because they don't give a stuff! ( I mean the the PL and EFL not the clubs)
Sorry daggers, but if you wish to kick up a fuss its always better to understand what the argument is. There is no real distinction between the clubs and the EFL, the clubs are the EFL! All the EFL board do is carry out the wishes and requirements of the clubs and one of those objectives was to turn that competition into something meaningful and to try and create more revenue. A failure to do that would mean that one of the options would be to scrap the competition. Its not a threat to either clubs or supporters, it was an option, one that was voiced by quite a of of supporters.
Attendances have always been poor in the early rounds, and with this current format the attendances have dropped again, but the income for the clubs has gone up. Seeing as its the clubs who make the decision then they have voted to trial the new format. Its certainly not bully boy tactics. The clubs voted for this, they didn't have to.
vote for it with increased prize money or lose everything ......................
the format wouldn't be too bad although over complicated minus the academy teams :) :)
and in honesty I'm not bothered
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Bob it's always been like that thou
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I still think it should be run pre season instead of friendlies
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I still think it should be run pre season instead of friendlies
Outside the Prem teams in the same divisions don't play against each other.
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Whilst it could be the beginning of a door for some kind of top club's B teams to be in the league, it isn't. It's a cup comp where last season only one top club, Swansea, made it as far as the quarter finals with their B/youth team. If the top clubs started to dominate, that would certainly make it a farce, but that doesn't seem to be happening.
In this group stage, we blood youth and fringe players too. I think it serves a purpose, though will always be a minor competition. Having said that - who can say they didn't enjoy their day out at the Millenium?
The EFL Cup is only a level higher than this, and the FA Cup a level higher than that. None of them nearly on par with the Leagues, and all devalued to some extent as clubs target their priorities.
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It is good it made money for good causes but boycotting the games won't make a bit of difference to the competition as clubs want it so it's here to stay
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Final update, this game managed to raise £1546.26 for charities after costs. With £515.42 going to each of the three charities, ours being bluebell wood, thanks to all involved!