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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: SydneyRover on October 14, 2017, 09:26:10 pm
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-new-eu-leave-regret-remain-yougov-times-latest-theresa-may-bad-idea-a8000156.html
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Well that goes some way to answering my hypothetical question posed just a few days ago on a separate thread ....... and here is what I asked
I KNOW this can never happen (and will probably open another can of worms) BUT if it were possible to ask this question of all today's electorate ....
..... do you wish to continue with an exit from the EU having seen all what has unfolded since the original vote was held and where we are currently ?
I reckon personally that it would be much higher that the original "Remain" vote was but as I say that is just my own very humble opinion ! It cant happen !
I cant also imagine what the News would have been talking about if we had voted Remain in the Referendum. Unless of course it was the infighting amongst the "losing" Politicians who were pressing for a second Referendum having been at it since we joined the Common Market
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Anything can happen if the people of Britain want it badly enough.
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Looks like theyve already got rid of us Interesting read
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4979466/ROBERT-HARDMAN-does-EU-s-new-museum-ignore-Britain.html
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I have no regrets voting to leave, I would n't have been bitter either had we voted to stay. For me the brexit negotians show us why we should be out, negotiations by definition are talks by opposing sides based on finding some common ground involving concessions by either side. I see no sign of concessions from the EU side, just demands and vieled threats
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You don't get it do you Filo these are commitments that we signed up to , they have their own people's lives to protect , there are certain intricacies re, the triangle of the UK, Ireland and N.Ireland that need sorting out properly - it's a dangerous region with an obviously dangerous recent past to be taken into account.
The threats have been all ours , don't you listen or read anything ? We threaten albeit subtly that we will withdraw from security sharing , use of our armed forces to " protect " them ( what a joke ! ).
Continually we use divisive language, deride their court , threaten to deport furriners illegally by the dozen, try and use loss of their trade profit to lessen the bill we have signed up to and ........they threaten us ffs Filo wake up !!
Stop reading the shite newspapers - they have been filling you with hate, falsehoods , exaggerations for years .
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I didn't vote for it but why turn back? Did people think it would be a quick 10 minute thing that wouldn't cost us a penny?
I'm not sure why the government hasn't been promoting new businesses in the UK so we're making our own goods for when prices get hiked up.
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Oh and look closer to home for your real enemy - the Tory Party . They conned people in Thatcher's time and they are still doing it and you are still buying it .
The only attempts to rebuild the north of England have come through the EU otherwise those " EU Regeneration " boards you must have passed trying to rebuild our County would never have been on your taxi runs.
If you didn't see them - it was because you had already decided to dismiss them because their/our work and money was inconvenient to your way of looking at the world .
Left to both the Tory AND, I hasten to add, the Labour Party ; the North / South divide would be even larger !
Finally contrast our cleaner beaches, rivers , stocked up seas and other environmental controls to that we had 40 years ago .......Yes it was the evil EU empire that was behind all that too. Again you will NEVER admit it because it doesn't suit and now you , like others, in the face of the Unions , CBI, and virtually every leading organisation's advice are happy to wreck, isolate and undo all this country has achieved whilst a member of this organisation.
You make my piss boil, especially when Leavers suggest it is ' Remoaners ' ( childish word ) who are selling this country out and not being patriotic.
I wouldn't get behind this lot if they were the very last thing between me and that cliff edge . Watch Clinton on Marr today and you will hear that the Russians were behind Brexit too prior to the Trump fiasco. I wonder why ?
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Btw it should be " the will of the (majority of) people "- Christ how that annoys me when repeated like a mantra. If this goes through - I want people to know as dissatisfied as I am with some of what has and wouldn't happen whilst in the EU ; This masochistic shite is not on me and is down to you Empire makers soon to live in Trump's glorious world with prancing unicorns and the world enthralled by the power of the British Empire regaining the sovereignty it admitted it ALWAYS had . Rule Britannia and all that .
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Oh and look closer to home for your real enemy - the Tory Party . They conned people in Thatcher's time and they are still doing it and you are still buying it .
The only attempts to rebuild the north of England have come through the EU otherwise those " EU Regeneration " boards you must have passed trying to rebuild our County would never have been on your taxi runs.
If you didn't see them - it was because you had already decided to dismiss them because their/our work and money was inconvenient to your way of looking at the world .
Left to both the Tory AND, I hasten to add, the Labour Party ; the North / South divide would be even larger !
Finally contrast our cleaner beaches, rivers , stocked up seas and other environmental controls to that we had 40 years ago .......Yes it was the evil EU empire that was behind all that too. Again you will NEVER admit it because it doesn't suit and now you , like others, in the face of the Unions , CBI, and virtually every leading organisation's advice are happy to wreck, isolate and undo all this country has achieved whilst a member of this organisation.
You make my piss boil, especially when Leavers suggest it is ' Remoaners ' ( childish word ) who are selling this country out and not being patriotic.
I wouldn't get behind this lot if they were the very last thing between me and that cliff edge . Watch Clinton on Marr today and you will hear that the Russians were behind Brexit too prior to the Trump fiasco. I wonder why ?
It really puzzles me why Theresa May hasn't got this brexit sorted yet as Hoolahoop, Glyn Wigley and Redj could sort it all in a fortnight as they seem to be the only ones who can 100% predict the future after brexit.
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I'd have thought it was the Brexiteers who could have it sorted, not the remainders. In July 2016 Davis wrote " So be under no doubt, we can do deals with our trading partners, and we can do them quickly...I would expect most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months."
Fox predicted that a free trade deal with the EU "should be one of the easiest in human history".
Redwood said"Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy - the UK holds most of the cards".
Not to mention Johnson and "having our cake and eating it" and "they can whistle" for their money.
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Just because I 100% predicted it was going to be an almighty mess and not as simplistic as many Brexiters seem to think it would be it doesn't mean the onus is on me to sort it all out for those of you who voted for it. That's your job. Any answers?
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I'm not sure why the government hasn't been promoting new businesses in the UK so we're making our own goods for when prices get hiked up.
Because whatever they say in the media that isn't a big priority for them. What free trade means is that if you can get widgets cheaper from Cambodia - you get widgets from Cambodia. If you can get steel cheaper from China, you get steel from China. That what capitalism is and does. The only way businesses would open here is if we can produce widgets or steel cheaper than Cambodia or China.
The ultimate aim of the far right, free trade Brexiters is to recreate Britain as a low tax, low regulation economy. Where moving money about is all that matters, hedge funds thrive and the wealthy get to keep more of their wealth. Like Singapore or Panama.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/31/turning-brexit-britain-tax-haven-would-make-us-richer-cant-philip/
We will probably still keep making bombs and drugs tho.
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Btw it should be " the will of the (majority of) people "- Christ how that annoys me when repeated like a mantra. If this goes through - I want people to know as dissatisfied as I am with some of what has and wouldn't happen whilst in the EU ; This masochistic shite is not on me and is down to you Empire makers soon to live in Trump's glorious world with prancing unicorns and the world enthralled by the power of the British Empire regaining the sovereignty it admitted it ALWAYS had . Rule Britannia and all that .
Go and have a lie down mate 😀
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Btw it should be " the will of the (majority of) people "- Christ how that annoys me when repeated like a mantra. If this goes through - I want people to know as dissatisfied as I am with some of what has and wouldn't happen whilst in the EU ; This masochistic shite is not on me and is down to you Empire makers soon to live in Trump's glorious world with prancing unicorns and the world enthralled by the power of the British Empire regaining the sovereignty it admitted it ALWAYS had . Rule Britannia and all that .
Go and have a lie down mate 😀
Or twelve months in the psychiatrists chair ala Stubbs.
Britain began to leave the EU when it didn't join the single currency and its preparations for joining effectively ended when it had to exit the Exchange Rate Mechanism of the European Monetary System in '92
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Ah, we began to leave 12 months before the EU was formed - that was clever of us.
The Maastricht Treaty, which came into effect on 1st November 1993, was the founding document of the EU. Prior to that it was the EEC.
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I'm not sure why the government hasn't been promoting new businesses in the UK so we're making our own goods for when prices get hiked up.
Because whatever they say in the media that isn't a big priority for them. What free trade means is that if you can get widgets cheaper from Cambodia - you get widgets from Cambodia. If you can get steel cheaper from China, you get steel from China. That what capitalism is and does. The only way businesses would open here is if we can produce widgets or steel cheaper than Cambodia or China.
The ultimate aim of the far right, free trade Brexiters is to recreate Britain as a low tax, low regulation economy. Where moving money about is all that matters, hedge funds thrive and the wealthy get to keep more of their wealth. Like Singapore or Panama.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/31/turning-brexit-britain-tax-haven-would-make-us-richer-cant-philip/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/31/turning-brexit-britain-tax-haven-would-make-us-richer-cant-philip/)
We will probably still keep making bombs and drugs tho.
So, we didn't need Brexit after all, it's already been that way for years.
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How the hell would May ever sort this mess out when she can't control her own party which is mainly made up of self interested rent seekers. Cameron thought this was a good idea instead of trying to sort out all the underlying problems. Britain's problems of jobs, class, north-south divide, etc will only ever be solved politically and to do that the people need to control the political system. Taking Britain out of Europe will see most of the existing problems worsen, so what's in Brexit for the average person or family? probably very little, but what's in it for those that are driving Brexit, and I don't mean the followers I mean those at the top of the heap, that's what you have to look at why they want to get rid of all those laws conditions others spoke of that force governments to look to the welfare of the citizens.
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How the hell would May ever sort this mess out when she can't control her own party which is mainly made up of self interested rent seekers. Cameron thought this was a good idea instead of trying to sort out all the underlying problems. Britain's problems of jobs, class, north-south divide, etc will only ever be solved politically and to do that the people need to control the political system. Taking Britain out of Europe will see most of the existing problems worsen, so what's in Brexit for the average person or family? probably very little, but what's in it for those that are driving Brexit, and I don't mean the followers I mean those at the top of the heap, that's what you have to look at why they want to get rid of all those laws conditions others spoke of that force governments to look to the welfare of the citizens.
Well, Private Eye did make a point during the referendum campaign that the EU was in the process of giving wide-ranging powers to its members states' tax investigators to be able to access international financial information as part of its anti-money laundering and anti-tax avoidance strategy, which they thought went some way to explaining why the owners of several newspapers pushed for their readers to vote 'out' as strongly as they did.
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Looks like theyve already got rid of us Interesting read
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4979466/ROBERT-HARDMAN-does-EU-s-new-museum-ignore-Britain.html
How very " Daily Mail " , this is the problem we want praise for winning both WW1 & WW2 ALL on our own.
I don't think this museum was creating a Nazi shrine anymore than it was there to promote the demonisation of the German nation. Why would they create a museum that would become a focal point for every Nazi like group in Europe to make a pilgrimage too ?
I would have thought that constantly ramming the sins of their fathers bit down the throats of the modern German people would be counter- productive and not in the spirit of an evolving Europe.
As a child in the early 1960's , we were stationed in Germany and the TV showed images and newsreels 24/7 of the atrocities carried out by Germans and rightly so . Do they need a museum to do that now after 80 years ?
Seems to me that some want to stay firmly rooted in the past ( early 20th century ) or even 19th century .
Shouldn't we learn from this and simply forge futures firmly in the 21st century either inside or outside the project or do we still have to sing ......'10 German bombers ' etc for ever more . This is why we can't get behind the project that is now the EU and would love it to fail .
It's more like - we will fail if we don't stop living in the past and remember this if a conquered mainland Europe who after all WERE under the yoke of the Nazi/Germans and ALL lost millions can get on with it then what is our problem ? Is it the fact that we still cling onto our Empire and blame the loss of that as well on the Germans - that being the case when if ever does it stop ?
Should we build an exhibition castigating ourselves for the injustices of Indian Partition , the Opium wars , the creation of the Penal Colony that has become modern Australia, Iraq , Afghanistan , Syria and of course slavery or should we look ahead . Some would say these are in the past but still have ramifications today but we certainly haven't built a museum where we can all self-flaggelate in .
The EU is NOT about the way that ALL the Empire builders behaved but a vision of a future that we have decided that we don't want most parts of rightly or wrongly.
It's not unpatriotic to want to move on given the behaviour of most if not all of the European nations around the world .
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-oecd-eu-referendum-second-economy-reverse-uk-europe-theresa-may-latest-a8004676.html
The OECD analysis suggests a “no-deal” Brexit would wipe up to a staggering £40bn off UK economic growth by 2019.
The UK economy will grow 1.5 per cent slower in 2019 if the country crashes out of the EU without a trade deal or a transition deal with the bloc in March 2019, it said.
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"Fed up of listening to experts".
If Brexit is stopped, it'll have to be quietly dropped by whoever is in power as I'm not convinced another referendum would hold a different result. A lot of Remain voters simply can't be arsed with it any more and just want to get on with it. A lot of Leave voters are even more entrenched in their post-fact safe space as a result of "winning".
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-is-worth-family-members-losing-their-jobs-say-leave-voters-over-65_uk_59806ffae4b00bb8ff3975bb
This is an example of that. Half of Leave voters over the age of 65 would be happy for a family member to lose their job if it meant Brexit went ahead. 2 in 5 Leave voters overall would be happy for this to happen.
As a friend of mine succinctly put it, how do you get through to that kind of Kitson?
The link also points out 1 in 5 Remain voters want the economy to tank to teach Leave voters a lesson, which is also Kitsony but backs up my point about the Remain turnout being lower if a second referendum happened.
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Why oh why did we have a vote, when we didn't know what we were voting for and still don't?? Had brexit been properly defined, maybe leave would have had a bigger majority, maybe not.
Regardless of the outcome, it was a foolish process.. At least with a general election if the government in power fails to deliver, we can vote them out next time. where's that safety net with brexit??
As not the nine o'clock news once said...
"its like a blind man, in a dark room, looking for a black cat...
...that isn't there!"
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" Taking Britain out of Europe will see most of the existing problems worsen, so what's in Brexit for the average person or family? probably very little, but what's in it for those that are driving Brexit, and I don't mean the followers I mean those at the top of the heap, that's what you have to look at why they want to get rid of all those laws conditions others spoke of that force governments to look to the welfare of the citizens"
The above was part of my post the other day and the following is what alarms me the most about Brexit, who were the movers and shakers behind it?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/19/mp-calls-for-inquiry-into-arron-banks-and-dark-money-in-eu-referendum
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Why oh why did we have a vote, when we didn't know what we were voting for and still don't?? Had brexit been properly defined, maybe leave would have had a bigger majority, maybe not.
Regardless of the outcome, it was a foolish process.. At least with a general election if the government in power fails to deliver, we can vote them out next time. where's that safety net with brexit??
As not the nine o'clock news once said...
"its like a blind man, in a dark room, looking for a black cat...
...that isn't there!"
Err that knob Cameron's idea I think - to make him seem like a real man of the people - but they shat on him and all of us that thought we are better united than divided.
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I doubt this will ever happen but you never quite know do you as trump got in and UK did vote for brexit ,after all the experts were saying that the two mentioned would NEVER NEVER happen.
How would you all feal if whoever brought the country to heal, and brought in another referendum on the brexit situation ?
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My work will be heavily impacted by Brexit and as such I've listened to endless streams of professionals pass their opinion on it. The most recent was at a seminar & they were utterly convinced that the government and the civil service simply do not have the resource or expertise to deliver a clean brexit. I think we are in for a very rocky road over the next couple of years, as this is going to drag on until at least 2021.
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My work will be heavily impacted by Brexit and as such I've listened to endless streams of professionals pass their opinion on it. The most recent was at a seminar & they were utterly convinced that the government and the civil service simply do not have the resource or expertise to deliver a clean brexit. I think we are in for a very rocky road over the next couple of years, as this is going to drag on until at least 2021.
They certainly don't have the expertise - most of the civil servants in Liam Fox's department had to be forcibly seconded there because no-one wanted to go voluntarily as they thought it was career suicide.
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The argument now being used by the Brickshitters is that extra revenue from imports from the EU will simply be collected by HMRC under WTO trading rules . I can't see how that affects the German / French/ Italian car importers - we NEED their product and will see cars being sold at inflated prices and ......we will still buy them !
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The argument now being used by the Brickshitters is that extra revenue from imports from the EU will simply be collected by HMRC under WTO trading rules . I can't see how that affects the German / French/ Italian car importers - we NEED their product and will see cars being sold at inflated prices and ......we will still buy them !
"Brickshitters" aye, not bad coming from a bloke who says "Remoaners" is a childish word!
How will we buy cars at inflated prices when we're all skint because of the effects of Brexit?
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The argument now being used by the Brickshitters is that extra revenue from imports from the EU will simply be collected by HMRC under WTO trading rules . I can't see how that affects the German / French/ Italian car importers - we NEED their product and will see cars being sold at inflated prices and ......we will still buy them !
"Brickshitters" aye, not bad coming from a bloke who says "Remoaners" is a childish word!
How will we buy cars at inflated prices when we're all skint because of the effects of Brexit?
Demand will obviously go down because of the 10% Customs Duty on cars. Unfortunately, because it works both ways the demand for British cars exported to the EU will also go down for the same reason. Only in that case it'll be in 27 countries, not just the one.
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Demand won't go down significantly as many cars are not only for private use but also for company use.
What do the companies buy just American, Japanese or Korean ?
Trust me private owners that buy German cars for instance will still buy and exchange the every 2/3 years . E.g. An Audi buyer doesn't suddenly become a Toyota owner. Brand loyalty is that strong with the German makes regardless of price. New cars will be dearer ergo 2nd hand cars will be too . I know this market.
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The argument now being used by the Brickshitters is that extra revenue from imports from the EU will simply be collected by HMRC under WTO trading rules . I can't see how that affects the German / French/ Italian car importers - we NEED their product and will see cars being sold at inflated prices and ......we will still buy them !
"Brickshitters" aye, not bad coming from a bloke who says "Remoaners" is a childish word!
How will we buy cars at inflated prices when we're all skint because of the effects of Brexit?
Come on allow me one occasion to use a stupid title it was meant in jest and to provoke a reaction ....it worked. We've had more than a year of that " moaner " nonsense ;)
We will give up some of those inflated foods we eat to provide the debt for the cars. After all have you seen the level of both the individual's and the nation's debt ....a bit more won't hurt .
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Fair comment, Hoola! We've certainly had more than a year of that 'moaner' nonsense. It's just that I was hoping you'd have given it a rest by now.
Perhaps your idea for funding the inflated car prices will have its good points after all - A healthier, less obese post-Brexit nation.
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Haha just think of the savings for the NHS . No I remain steadfast in the face of this nonsense for personal reasons too . I have a daughter who is planning on studying at Copenhagen university for a year. I will be happier when and if agreements could be met on student exchange, health cover , grants to study etc . I'm disappointed that an area like ours that has benefitted far more from EU membership that it otherwise would have done ; could ever point the finger of blame in the wrong direction.
Look at the EU backed infrastructure it surpasses every nation in the EU comfortably. I was at York university 18 months ago and the amount of EU backed infrastructure there alone was unbelieveable !
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I fervently hope that ultimately we will as a nation (4 Nations perhaps) be given the chance to vote on the "package" that has been secured so that people can make a more "informed" decision than perhaps they did in the bland / basic / do you wish to leave the EU Referendum ?
Before that vote we had no facts to work with. It was a crap campaign run by both sides. We had as many lies as people could tell ( £350 Million could be going to the NHS for example which was on the side of the "Out" campaigners Battle Bus). No side was immune from lies and scaremongering
A lot of people were quoted as saying that they thought the "foreigners" were over running us and the "out" side allowed people to think - indeed encouraged them to think that a Vote for out was a vote to rid us of all those people and to take control back of our Borders
It looks like that may not happen. There may be a deal / no deal / Soft b****t (I never use the word itself) Hard b****t (ditto) and they all MAY be different to each other and totally different to what the people who voted "out" might have wanted - so lets have a vote based on the actual reality that they produce and NOT on a simplistic version of what might happen
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The argument now being used by the Brickshitters is that extra revenue from imports from the EU will simply be collected by HMRC under WTO trading rules . I can't see how that affects the German / French/ Italian car importers - we NEED their product and will see cars being sold at inflated prices and ......we will still buy them !
"Brickshitters" aye, not bad coming from a bloke who says "Remoaners" is a childish word!
How will we buy cars at inflated prices when we're all skint because of the effects of Brexit?
Demand will obviously go down because of the 10% Customs Duty on cars. Unfortunately, because it works both ways the demand for British cars exported to the EU will also go down for the same reason. Only in that case it'll be in 27 countries, not just the one.
Foreign cars get too expensive then buy British built cars and keep British workers employed reducing the cost of imports and narrow the balance of payments. 😉
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I fervently hope that ultimately we will as a nation (4 Nations perhaps) be given the chance to vote on the "package" that has been secured so that people can make a more "informed" decision than perhaps they did in the bland / basic / do you wish to leave the EU Referendum ?
Before that vote we had no facts to work with. It was a crap campaign run by both sides. We had as many lies as people could tell ( £350 Million could be going to the NHS for example which was on the side of the "Out" campaigners Battle Bus). No side was immune from lies and scaremongering
A lot of people were quoted as saying that they thought the "foreigners" were over running us and the "out" side allowed people to think - indeed encouraged them to think that a Vote for out was a vote to rid us of all those people and to take control back of our Borders
It looks like that may not happen. There may be a deal / no deal / Soft b****t (I never use the word itself) Hard b****t (ditto) and they all MAY be different to each other and totally different to what the people who voted "out" might have wanted - so lets have a vote based on the actual reality that they produce and NOT on a simplistic version of what might happen
That's how it should have been in the first place..
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I fervently hope that ultimately we will as a nation (4 Nations perhaps) be given the chance to vote on the "package" that has been secured so that people can make a more "informed" decision than perhaps they did in the bland / basic / do you wish to leave the EU Referendum ?
Before that vote we had no facts to work with. It was a crap campaign run by both sides. We had as many lies as people could tell ( £350 Million could be going to the NHS for example which was on the side of the "Out" campaigners Battle Bus). No side was immune from lies and scaremongering
A lot of people were quoted as saying that they thought the "foreigners" were over running us and the "out" side allowed people to think - indeed encouraged them to think that a Vote for out was a vote to rid us of all those people and to take control back of our Borders
It looks like that may not happen. There may be a deal / no deal / Soft b****t (I never use the word itself) Hard b****t (ditto) and they all MAY be different to each other and totally different to what the people who voted "out" might have wanted - so lets have a vote based on the actual reality that they produce and NOT on a simplistic version of what might happen
That's how it should have been in the first place..
Agreed .
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The argument now being used by the Brickshitters is that extra revenue from imports from the EU will simply be collected by HMRC under WTO trading rules . I can't see how that affects the German / French/ Italian car importers - we NEED their product and will see cars being sold at inflated prices and ......we will still buy them !
"Brickshitters" aye, not bad coming from a bloke who says "Remoaners" is a childish word!
How will we buy cars at inflated prices when we're all skint because of the effects of Brexit?
Demand will obviously go down because of the 10% Customs Duty on cars. Unfortunately, because it works both ways the demand for British cars exported to the EU will also go down for the same reason. Only in that case it'll be in 27 countries, not just the one.
Foreign cars get too expensive then buy British built cars and keep British workers employed reducing the cost of imports and narrow the balance of payments. 😉
Which cars would they be exactly ?
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The argument now being used by the Brickshitters is that extra revenue from imports from the EU will simply be collected by HMRC under WTO trading rules . I can't see how that affects the German / French/ Italian car importers - we NEED their product and will see cars being sold at inflated prices and ......we will still buy them !
"Brickshitters" aye, not bad coming from a bloke who says "Remoaners" is a childish word!
How will we buy cars at inflated prices when we're all skint because of the effects of Brexit?
Demand will obviously go down because of the 10% Customs Duty on cars. Unfortunately, because it works both ways the demand for British cars exported to the EU will also go down for the same reason. Only in that case it'll be in 27 countries, not just the one.
Foreign cars get too expensive then buy British built cars and keep British workers employed reducing the cost of imports and narrow the balance of payments. 😉
So British people buying British cars are going to outweigh the loss of sales in 27 other countries, is it? Jeez. How is exporting less going to help the Balance of Payments too, eh?
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#BuyBritishHondas
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Buy Blitish
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I give up , the stupidity from the Mail/ Express/Sun prevails in the way we think as a nation . The distorted and dystopic vision they present as fact is endemic and is snapped up by our people in much the same way as chucking a piece of meat into a river teeming with piranha ! Facts , statistics , basic rules of economics / common sense, experts mean NOTHING any longer . Pah who needs furriners .....feck'em all.
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Talking of dystopia, have you walked through Hexthorpe lately?
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Not lived in donny for last 20 years ,what’s happened to hexthorpe
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Here's an interesting article, translated from the German newspaper it was published in, on the German perspective of how Brexit is currently going and how much it's likely to cost and affect the citizens of the UK.
https://medium.com/@ninaschick/brexit-negotiations-not-without-pain-cb3705974bd6
And people actually voted for this? :evil:
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Not lived in donny for last 20 years ,what’s happened to hexthorpe
Fairly high immigrant population (but probably no higher than other areas close to the town centre eg Hyde Park, Beckett Road).
The EDL held a march there a couple of years ago so went down for a look-see.
When I arrived there was a few big blokes stood around, shaven heads, tattoos, pit bulls straining at the leash. "Aye aye" I thought "They're here already".
Just then the EDL came up the road and these blokes began hurling abuse at the EDL f**kwits.
Turns out these were local blokes (English) who were not happy with the EDL using Hexthorpe to make a racist point.
The EDL were all herded into a kids playground where they tried to listen to some speeches but they were mainly drowned out by a sizable crowd of protestors, both Hexthorpe locals and other right-minded Doncastrians. I suppose you could call them "antifa" but they didn't wear balaclavas, they were just ordinary folk.
At the end of the rally, the EDL fascists left the kids playground to march back to town - the heavy police operation nearly lost control at this point as the EDL were literally chased down the road by the local lads and the EDL were only saved from a bloody nose by the riot police drawing batons and sending in the dogs against the locals.
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No doubt they were lefties, I'm sure NOF will agree.
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Not lived in donny for last 20 years ,what’s happened to hexthorpe
Glue or alcohol?
Whatever you're talking b*llocks. In the 80s the NF tried doing it in Hexthorpe and got kicked all over town. In 2016 the EDL tried doing it and got kicked all over town. Same local lads were there. I remember when I lived in Bentley having to listen to similar shit from certain purple helmets.
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Not lived in donny for last 20 years ,what’s happened to hexthorpe
Glue or alcohol?
Whatever you're talking b*llocks. In the 80s the NF tried doing it in Hexthorpe and got kicked all over town. In 2016 the EDL tried doing it and got kicked all over town. Same local lads were there. I remember when I lived in Bentley having to listen to similar shit from certain purple helmets.
Presumably that's what happens when people who don't come from Hexthorpe try and call the place a shithole because of...people who don't come from Hexthorpe. I can well imagine the people who do come from Hexthorpe getting just a little bit pissed off by that.
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https://www.facebook.com/search/str/hexthorpe+%26+balby+residents+group/keywords_groups
I've just had to apply to become a member of the above fb page, so you'll have to stick with me if you want to find out more.
Of course, you can join yourselves.