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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on October 15, 2017, 07:46:08 pm
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And it has just confirmed what a poor defender Mason is to me.We cannot carry on with a player making so many bad decisions at the back.From the first tackle of the game he was terrible.
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I don’t buy that Mason is not a right back - he can play there no doubt - but the fact is we haven’t had a proper Right Back since Quinny & there lies the problem.
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Hes not a full back.
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Get Alcock there at least he has plenty of experience playing there.
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Too slow and can't take on a defender however he put in some brilliant crosses yesterday
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Mason seems to get the blame when things aren’t his fault.
Someone posted that he was totally at fault for Shrewsbury’s first goal when clearly the fault was Rowes.
Although the Charlton goal came from an attack down their left wing, Mason can’t be accountable for that one either.
He prevented the ball from being crossed and the ball was played backwards.
It was a midfielders job to stop the shot.
Houghtons attempt to block the shot was also very poor.
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Makes a change from blaming butler I suppose!! Teams had it and all that!! Bring back league 2 and a new manager? Nowt like being positive is there!!!
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We are all suffering from delusions of ability, some of think we have got some others think we need some .
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Just watch the start of that game,he clatters into a player within 30 seconds giving a free kick away,then our goalkeeper has to make a save of a dangerous cross on about 2 minutes when he is murdered down the line,after 6 minutes he stands 4 or five yards off a player on the edge of the box while he looks up and has the freedom to pick out anyone he wants,and you say he has done his job hound,he also let the Bradford player do the same thing to set up their first goal.
He is doing his job alright,and the opposition are lapping it up mate.
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He's 20 years old! He plays in a variety of postions so will never be the master of all but he is streets ahead of the players he is keeping on the sidelines. Not sure what some people expect. Seriously
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Kongolo is guilty of ball watching and leaving the goalscorer totally unmarked. Having said that, Lawlor should have done better with a fairly weak shot from distance that beats him on his near post
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Any shot on target, from distance, beats Lawlor!
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So you'd rather have Marosi then 😕
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Kongolo is guilty of ball watching and leaving the goalscorer totally unmarked. Having said that, Lawlor should have done better with a fairly weak shot from distance that beats him on his near post
Kongolo is an absolute liability without the ball.
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Any shot on target, from distance, beats Lawlor!
Lawlor is a strange one. He looks the part for a goalkeeper - he's tall, athletic, vocal and moves well. But bringing everything together seems to be a problem. He very rarely catches the ball above head hight, in fact he very rarely comes for any high ball into the box even to punch, so he's not yet making the most of his physical advantages. Sometimes he makes saves that are world class, but all too regularly seems to let shots through that leave you thinking he could have done a bit more there.
It's frustrating, we all want him to do well and he is only young. I think he definitely has potential but I'd like to see some of these errors leave his game. We could definitely do with him using his stature to command the penalty area just to take a bit of pressure off the defence. In the absence of that we continue to concede soft goals and it's putting us under more pressure than we should be.
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So you'd rather have Marosi then 😕
Yes, I would
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Any shot on target, from distance, beats Lawlor!
Lawlor is a strange one. He looks the part for a goalkeeper - he's tall, athletic, vocal and moves well. But bringing everything together seems to be a problem. He very rarely catches the ball above head hight, in fact he very rarely comes for any high ball into the box even to punch, so he's not yet making the most of his physical advantages. Sometimes he makes saves that are world class, but all too regularly seems to let shots through that leave you thinking he could have done a bit more there.
It's frustrating, we all want him to do well and he is only young. I think he definitely has potential but I'd like to see some of these errors leave his game. We could definitely do with him using his stature to command the penalty area just to take a bit of pressure off the defence. In the absence of that we continue to concede soft goals and it's putting us under more pressure than we should be.
I’ve never been fully convinced. He portrays himself and has the demeanour a top keeper but his skills don’t match. The years he’s had training along side international class keepers has obviously left a mark on the way he carries himself. He’s only young, he can still improve.
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Stick him at right back. :laugh:
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another close match where we didnt take our chances. we're so close to having a decent league one team we just need to keep the faith
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Kongolo is an absolute liability without the ball.
Must Agree
Does nothing for the Team , cause Mason loads of problems
Yes I was There
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Kongolo is an absolute liability without the ball.
Must Agree
Does nothing for the Team , cause Mason loads of problems
Yes I was There
Mason got lots of stick after the Shrewsbury game but he was playing behind Tommy Rowe who offered him hardly any help at all, leaving Mason exposed to two on one on lots of occasions.
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So you'd rather have Marosi then 😕
Yes, I would
pleased you're not the manager then.
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I was sat in line with the Charlton shot behind the goal and thought that the goalkeepers line of vision was impeded by defenders causing him to go for the shot late.
Other than that Hound Mason has been in the mix for two many goals we have given away this season,and in the last six games of last season for it to be a coincidence mate.Blackpool,Shrewsbury,Wimbledon,Arsenal, Bradford,Rochdale,
Scunthorpe, the list goes on and on,all those games and more resulted in goals where the opposition attacked our right back area because they think we are weak in that area,and they are right.Every team in the last five or six matches at the K.M. have started the game probing that area,its as plain as the nose on your face why.
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I was sat in line with the Charlton shot behind the goal and thought that the goalkeepers line of vision was impeded by defenders causing him to go for the shot late.
Other than that Hound Mason has been in the mix for two many goals we have given away this season,and in the last six games of last season for it to be a coincidence mate.Blackpool,Shrewsbury,Wimbledon,Arsenal, Bradford,Rochdale,
Scunthorpe, the list goes on and on,all those games and more resulted in goals where the opposition attacked our right back area because they think we are weak in that area,and they are right.Every team in the last five or six matches at the K.M. have started the game probing that area,its as plain as the nose on your face why.
FIRST QUESTION - HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW PLAIN THE NOSE ON MY FACE IS ?
Selby, seriously, i have had another look at the goals conceded in the list of games you have put up above and i can't see how you can blame Mason for us conceding most of the goals we let in in those games.
None of the Blackpool goals came about via anything he did and both Shrewsbury goals were not down to him either.
Wimbledon away - well i looked at those as well, sorry no fault there.
Bradford away - the first came after a cross from Masons winger but no one can stop every cross coming in.
I would be pointing the finger at whoever wasnt marking Wyke.
Rochdale away - sorry mate, cant see what he did to cause a goal against us in that one.
Arsenal away - yes Walcott got in behind him but as i said at the time, caused by a fantastic ball by Sanchez which would have caught out better and more experienced players than Mason.
Scunthorpes goal came from a corner and Mason wasnt marking the lad who scored.
I think you are being very hard on him suggesting that goals came about directly as a result of opponents attacking the right or left back areas that he was playing in.
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Hound teams that we play see our right full back area as a weakness,not getting near the attacker is not a defence of bad defending,and as I have posted over the last few weeks I would play Mason just to have less changes to our back four.It does not however change my mind that he is a very poor defender,but we are stuck with him until the January window,if I was the manager I would definitely be signing two good steady full/wing backs as a priority before the ones we have got at the moment cost me my job.
At the end of last season when we were guessing the retained list I said then I would think very hard about retaining Alcock, as I thought his injury had robbed him of pace,and that he was not the player we had signed.,and that I would not sign Mason as I didnt think he was good enough,but I would keep Lund. Nothing I have seen this season has done anything to change my mind,although I respect yours,if you disagree fair enough.
But I will be surprised if in the first quarter of tomorrows match Portsmouth do not attack down our right flank like every other team has this season.
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We signed Mason permanently in the summer. I am not convinced that full back is his best position though.
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We should give him ten games at full back and stop fitting him in anywhere where this is a gap due to injuries. We might then find out if we've got a player or not.
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He's got a decent right foot, but the problem is he's got a left foot like Daniel Day-Lewis.
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I think we can all see Mason is a good footballer and has been asked to play a variety of positions. He's not a natural full back but he's learning.
Sure, I'm sure we'd prefer a more natural, experienced full back right now but Mason's being selected. The goal v Southend, he got back on the line to clear the first header. A more experienced player may have headed the ball out of the danger area but he was really unlucky that it dropped straight on to the Southend players head!
We refer back to Lund and saying we shouldn't be too harsh on our young players and here we are doing just that.
I think DF lost patience with Lund because he kept making the same mistakes where as I think Mason is a bit more cerebral and will get better.
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Mason is a midfielder by trade but in common with a lot of midfielders he is pretty versatile. He
made an excellent last ditch tackle at Bradford. I wouldn't say Mason is the problem.
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I would. He can’t head, has a ropey first touch and a heart the size of a pea. Watch how many 70/30s in his favour he backs off from. His positioning is awful and his decision making worse.
He is only 20 and he is marginally better than Lund but that’s a bit like saying syphillis is better than herpes. I don’t want either.
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Hound teams that we play see our right full back area as a weakness,not getting near the attacker is not a defence of bad defending,and as I have posted over the last few weeks I would play Mason just to have less changes to our back four.It does not however change my mind that he is a very poor defender,but we are stuck with him until the January window,if I was the manager I would definitely be signing two good steady full/wing backs as a priority before the ones we have got at the moment cost me my job.
At the end of last season when we were guessing the retained list I said then I would think very hard about retaining Alcock, as I thought his injury had robbed him of pace,and that he was not the player we had signed.,and that I would not sign Mason as I didnt think he was good enough,but I would keep Lund. Nothing I have seen this season has done anything to change my mind,although I respect yours,if you disagree fair enough.
But I will be surprised if in the first quarter of tomorrows match Portsmouth do not attack down our right flank like every other team has this season.
Selby,I don’t disagree that Mason isn’t a full back,let me make that clear.
As others have said, he is being asked to play there by the manager, possibly due to a failure to bring in a specialist.
However I contested what you said about him being involved in goals conceded in (that list of games) as a result of teams attacking us in the right back position.
The truth is that most of the goals conceded did not come about as a direct result of anything that Mason did or didn’t do.
In fact, in some of those games he was playing left back.
As for where Portsmouth attack us, you have a one in three chance of being right given that they will attack down the left, middle or right.
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I'm glad fans are recognising that Mason isn't a specialist right back and has been asked to fill a number of positions in a short space of time, and he's only young. Was his loan spell here last season not his first ever taste of professional football?
I remember a few seasons ago when SOD got James O'Connor to play in every defensive position, constantly switching it from game to game and his performances never quite lived up to the previous standard again. And he was a very experienced pro, so Mason deserves to have some slack cut for him.
I think we should've signed another right back in the summer but nevermind. It would be okay if Alcock had come back with some semblance of his form from 2015/16 but it hasn't happened yet unfortunately.
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Tbf apart form the goal Lawlor played well and made some good saves. As for Mason, think it might be time to give him a break and see how Alcock can take his chance.
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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but the highlight of the game for me was Andy Butler diving full length to save the ball from going into the goal ..... with his face!!
And he just got up and got on with the game, no rolling around on the ground like some of these overpaid Premier League players.
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That was a fantastic piece of defending Pod,also did you see him have a right go when Mason let his player take him on the inside run scrosss goal and get a shot away.
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That was a fantastic piece of defending Pod,also did you see him have a right go when Mason let his player take him on the inside run scrosss goal and get a shot away.
I've never seen a poster have such a vendetta against a player - Mason - and yet put up such a staunch defence for one who was so more clearly not good enough - Middleton. Maybe vendetta is a bit strong but you are certainly his most vocal (and one of the only) critics of his on here, whilst you were Middleton's only defender. I think you may watch a different game to the rest of us!
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Nick your probably right, I have banged the drum too much,its what I see in him, which is a poor man for man defender,having said that I think he may be the best we currently have in that position,the best of a very poor lot.I said at the end of last season I would not sign him,and that I would have let Alcock go,and apart from going three at the back or playing a teenager we are stuck with them until at least January.
Its frustration on my part as I really do want him to play well,and all the other players with him,Andrew is a massive miss for us this season,but someone has to get a grip on Mason soon or we will be in big trouble.
We have signed him now,if it was up to me I would be loaning him and releasing Alcock in January if possible,and getting in two better players in that position,and I will try to lay off him now,hoping he does better.
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I've never seen a poster have such a vendetta against a player
You never read mrfrostsdad's opinions of Paul Keegan then? OK perhaps "vendetta" might be a strong word, but he certainly had little if any time for Keegs..
Thing is, we all have opinions, and some see things and players, positions etc different to others.
If we had edged 2 or 3 games to win rather than lose - we maybe wouldn't be having these conversations?