Viking Supporters Co-operative
Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Copps is Magic on November 25, 2017, 03:48:41 pm
-
... I've seen from a Rovers side in years.
-
What about all the others
-
What about the 2nd half?
-
We've played well the 2nd half, much better. Hopefully no silly last minute goals.
-
We've played well the 2nd half, much better. Hopefully no silly last minute goals.
Or last minute plus 6 !
-
Have they put the board up?
-
4 added
-
a good comeback. never a good sign when rovers concede withing first 5 mins
-
Was going to rant and rave about marquis on own upfront,soon as we went more attacking there was a big difference, hopefully he will learn by this
-
First half was one of the worse I’ve seen in a long, long time. Second half way much better, but could be a whole lot better still.
COYR
-
Was going to rant and rave about marquis on own upfront,soon as we went more attacking there was a big difference, hopefully he will learn by this
Don't hold your breath.
-
God knows what we were set up to do in the first half. I thought a 3-0 spanking was on the cards again. Credit where it's due though, we did turn it round in the second half. If you blame Fergie for our frequent bottle jobs (and I do, at least in part) you have to give him credit when he turns it around too.
-
We could have been 4-0 down by half time we were that bad. Much improved 2nd half due to mlving the ball quicker & actually competing!!
-
We were very lucky not to be 2 or 3 down at half time. We were so disorganised it was untrue and it seemed like pinball in our box for most of the half.
Thankfully second half we woke up and this team showed what they are actually capable of when they play properly.
-
We could have been 4-0 down by half time we were that bad. Much improved 2nd half due to mlving the ball quicker & actually competing!!
Alfie Beestin made a great difference starting with his very first touch !
I would say the Teams changed Shirts in second half BUT the Team in Black were not as bad as they were when in Hoops in first half !
-
That was our season summed up in one very bizarre game but we had luck on our side for a change in actually getting all three points rather than chucking away any points by silliness in the latter stages.
The table proves just how valuable it was to win today - anything less and we'd have been very close to drop zone which would have meant the doom-dreaming scaremongers would have been out with their knives sharpened wanting to have a pop at all and sundry.
At least now the pressure is off for a couple of weeks and we've avoided that carry on of constant negativity (for a short time anyway).
The FA Cup game is a nice sideshow distraction to the league but we're clearly not going to be favourites against Scunny. If we beat them it'll be a nice bonus but a defeat it won't effect anything in the league table.
-
That was our season summed up in one very bizarre game but we had luck on our side for a change in actually getting all three points rather than chucking away any points by silliness in the latter stages.
The table proves just how valuable it was to win today - anything less and we'd have been very close to drop zone which would have meant the doom-dreaming scaremongers would have been out with their knives sharpened wanting to have a pop at all and sundry.
At least now the pressure is off for a couple of weeks and we've avoided that carry on of constant negativity (for a short time anyway).
The FA Cup game is a nice sideshow distraction to the league but we're clearly not going to be favourites against Scunny. If we beat them it'll be a nice bonus but a defeat it won't effect anything in the league table.
The doom-dreaming scaremongers would have been very much in order to have a pop if the second half had been as bad as he first one.
-
It's been a long time since I've seen Rovers so outplayed at home by any team and all credit to MK Dons who were excellent in the first half. A 3-0 or even 4-0 score line at half time would not have been unjust. They played the ball around quickly and seemed to open up our defence at will.
What a difference in the second half! Whatever Fergie did at half time, he and the players have to be congratulated on turning round a game where we looked completely out of our depth at half time.
-
It's been a long time since I've seen Rovers so outplayed at home by any team
Take it you weren't there when Walsall came?
-
That could have been so different after the 1st half performance, even though I thought we started with energy & commitment, but after their goal the little confidence we had turned into hesitation & fear & MK Dons smelled blood, to be fair though we hung on with luck & desperate defending.
Second half however was like watching a completely different team, the substitutes were excellent, but the side as a whole seemed to click, putting them on the back foot with bags of effort, passing & movement that's been missing since the start of the season, long may it continue. Well done to the management & players, great result & hopefully we can push on now, special mention for Alfie Beeston, looks a great prospect.
-
Alfie has been one of the shining lights in the Development games I've watched, pleased for him.
Needs games now and the confidence to think he belongs.
-
It's been a long time since I've seen Rovers so outplayed at home by any team
Take it you weren't there when Walsall came?
3 mental deferensive errors does not equate to being massively outplayed..
-
First half clearly a disgrace. Second half equally clearly much, much better. Good result in end.
Are we actually getting any better?
Difficult to tell.
-
First half is the first time I have said Fergie should go...
Second half a lot better!
-
It's been a long time since I've seen Rovers so outplayed at home by any team
Take it you weren't there when Walsall came?
Walsall never out played us , in fact they are the worse team that I've at the keepmoat this season,
The problem was , we gifted them 3 goals.
-
It's been a long time since I've seen Rovers so outplayed at home by any team
Take it you weren't there when Walsall came?
Walsall were shit, they didn't outplay us at all. We made three boneheaded, appalling defensive mistakes and lost 3-0 as a result. Should never have lost that game, we were the better side for 60 minutes.
-
Being a better side does not get you points on the board :unsure:
-
That could have been so different after the 1st half performance, even though I thought we started with energy & commitment, but after their goal the little confidence we had turned into hesitation & fear & MK Dons smelled blood, to be fair though we hung on with luck & desperate defending.
Second half however was like watching a completely different team, the substitutes were excellent, but the side as a whole seemed to click, putting them on the back foot with bags of effort, passing & movement that's been missing since the start of the season, long may it continue. Well done to the management & players, great result & hopefully we can push on now, special mention for Alfie Beeston, looks a great prospect.
Thanks for the wrap-up Les and congrats to DR, DF and all the fans especially those that went to the game on pulling a win out when we needed it most.
-
First half clearly a disgrace. Second half equally clearly much, much better. Good result in end.
Are we actually getting any better?
Difficult to tell.
Your the man obsessed with stats, take a look at them and you will find your answer
-
#cryptic
-
#cryptic
A very good couple of months for us, I think we've got 14 points from 9 games over the last two months.
If we carry on like this we will comfortably be in the top half come the end of the season and may be on the fringes of the playoffs
-
#cryptic
A very good couple of months for us, I think we've got 14 points from 9 games over the last two months.
If we carry on like this we will comfortably be in the top half come the end of the season and may be on the fringes of the playoffs
But not if we play like we did in the first half, we got away with it yesterday, we won’t every time.
COYR
-
In L1 from the last 5 games only 1 team has 5 wins Scunthorpe 3rd, no team has 4 wins, 5 teams have 3 wins, 3 in the top 6 with Portsmouth 7th and Walsall 13th. For the other 18 teams including DR it's 2 wins or 1 win very patchy and proving difficult for many teams to get into a consistent groove.
-
I think we are 3 points from being in the top half..
Only 7 of the other 23 teams have lost one or zero games from their last 5 league fixtures. 4 of those 7 clubs are in the top 6, and 2 are below us.
Of course, that means nothing if we don't continue to get positive results, but we're not exactly getting hammered every week either..
-
I think we are 3 points from being in the top half..
Only 7 of the other 23 teams have lost one or zero games from their last 5 league fixtures. 4 of those 7 clubs are in the top 6, and 2 are below us.
Of course, that means nothing if we don't continue to get positive results, but we're not exactly getting hammered every week either..
It's nail biting stuff but I think the team are making the most of a difficult period.
-
Are we actually getting any better?
Well aye. We’re averaging 1.15 ppg now.
-
We don't talk about this billy until we lose a couple
-
Yes, the first half was awful, but to be fair MK Dons were by far the best side I've seen this season in that first half.
Their movement off the ball, speed in attack, accuracy of shooting etc was absolutely excellent. We helped obviously because our distribution was, quite frankly bloody awful. Like watching five year olds. Had we been 4 down in half an hour we really couldn't have grumbled. Also, I notice no-one has mentioned that I can see, the absolute stone wall penalty MK should have had. Ok, we've had some turned down this season, but that was one of the most obvious penalty shouts I've ever seen.
The second half was a different matter, thanks to young Beestin. He completely changed the game. Well done young man, you may have just saved your managers job. Hopefully DF will notice the difference as well. Also, a special mention for Lawlor. I've criticised him plenty, but that save from the header at 1-1 probably won us the game. Had that gone in, we would in all probability have lost
-
It didn't matter how we played though did it?
-
Are we actually getting any better?
Well aye. We’re averaging 1.15 ppg now.
At League One level with our club our previous manager does have a better PPG ratio than our current manager - so the question is valid as to whether we have actually moved on (noting again that we got relegated in the interim)?
-
Well, I was feeling pessimistic at halftime yesterday, but am now feeling optimistic following the encouraging second-half display. I honestly didn't think the team was capable of putting three passes together going forward before the interval but played the best I've seen them for possibly months in the second half.
I could be wrong of course (for once) but I believe that is the start of a good run of form.
-
Certainly hope this is the case.
-
It didn't matter how we played though did it?
Absolutely. We won and that's all that mattered. Had we played as bad in the second half and somehow managed to win I wouldn't have given a hoot. A win is a win is a win
-
The win has given us time to regroup and get injured players nearer to returning. We can't go over half the season with the mentality of winning and playing poorly though because usually when we play poorly we lose.
In fact we even lose more than we should when we play well.
-
Are we actually getting any better?
Well aye. We’re averaging 1.15 ppg now.
At League One level with our club our previous manager does have a better PPG ratio than our current manager - so the question is valid as to whether we have actually moved on (noting again that we got relegated in the interim)?
Ha ha
Brilliant
-
Here's another way of looking at it. Despite our perceived poor / mediocre performances quite often of late, if you look at the table - had we held on against Rotherham and won at Rochdale instead of that late horror show, we would actually now be joint 8th in the table.
So, changing nothing in our season bar about 5 minutes of it in two separate games, we'd be pushing a play off place. How would people be feeling then? Like we were stealing a place in the top 10 or that we had battled well to earn it? If we can get some good wins next month against struggling sides the entire complexion of the campaign may change completely.
-
Here's another way of looking at it. Despite our perceived poor / mediocre performances quite often of late, if you look at the table - had we held on against Rotherham and won at Rochdale instead of that late horror show, we would actually now be joint 8th in the table.
So, changing nothing in our season bar about 5 minutes of it in two separate games, we'd be pushing a play off place. How would people be feeling then? Like we were stealing a place in the top 10 or that we had battled well to earn it? If we can get some good wins next month against struggling sides the entire complexion of the campaign may change completely.
That's all well and good, however, if Lawlor hadn't made a really good save against Pompey in stoppage time or if Milton Keynes had took their chances yesterday, we'd be in/very close to the relegation zone.
So we are where we are...
-
The football we're playing is awful to watch though. Reminds me of the tripe that used to get served up under dickov
-
Are we actually getting any better?
Well aye. We’re averaging 1.15 ppg now.
At League One level with our club our previous manager does have a better PPG ratio than our current manager - so the question is valid as to whether we have actually moved on (noting again that we got relegated in the interim)?
Ha ha
Brilliant
This is an objective fact that cannot be dismissed.
The League One history of our recent managers in this league, updated to reflect the latest results.
Ferguson has now surpassed Dickov in terms of games in League One that he has managed at Rovers.
Dean Saunders - 26 games and 50 points - 1.92 points per game
Brian Flynn - 20 games and 34 points - 1.70 points per game
Sean O'Driscoll - 86 games and 135 points - 1.56 points per game
Dave Penney - 97 games and 140 points - 1.44 points per game
Paul Dickov - 52 games and 67 points - 1.28 points per game
Darren Ferguson - 55 games and 58 points - 1.05 points per game
-
I'm laughing at your changing your argument now from this season to his overall record, because this season is now higher than the ppg you constantly bang on about.
I'm also laughing at the fact you're comparing a manager who took over a championship side to a manager who took over a struggling league one side
-
Enjoy your Sunday comrade.
-
Are we actually getting any better?
Well aye. We’re averaging 1.15 ppg now.
At League One level with our club our previous manager does have a better PPG ratio than our current manager - so the question is valid as to whether we have actually moved on (noting again that we got relegated in the interim)?
Ha ha
Brilliant
This is an objective fact that cannot be dismissed.
The League One history of our recent managers in this league, updated to reflect the latest results.
Ferguson has now surpassed Dickov in terms of games in League One that he has managed at Rovers.
Dean Saunders - 26 games and 50 points - 1.92 points per game
Brian Flynn - 20 games and 34 points - 1.70 points per game
Sean O'Driscoll - 86 games and 135 points - 1.56 points per game
Dave Penney - 97 games and 140 points - 1.44 points per game
Paul Dickov - 52 games and 67 points - 1.28 points per game
Darren Ferguson - 55 games and 58 points - 1.05 points per game
The only problem with that is those managers had a squad in different eras and under different circumstances.
SOD, and to a lesser extent DP, had an ambitious chairman throwing money behind them to achieve success whereas now we've opted for a different approach where quite clearly we're no longer one of the big spenders in the division.
For a new club recently promoted to this league, we're not doing badly. Does anyone want to swap places with Plymouth, for example?
The fact we got relegated in the first place is another argument altogether...
Nevertheless, things do have to improve in January - and that means our directors putting their hands in their pockets to give DF the opportunity to strengthen in the areas where we must do, and DF's recruitment also needs to be better than it has been.
-
CBCB, Dickos...get a room lads.
-
I agree with donnywolf. Alfie Beestin changed the game yesterday. I’m hoping he starts to get more game time. I expect him to start at Rochdale and hope if he has a good game he plays against scunny
-
The football we're playing is awful to watch though. Reminds me of the tripe that used to get served up under dickov
When we try and play a measured passing game I agree, it is awful. When we up the tempo, like we did second half yesterday and second half v Southend, we don't look bad at all. There's a lesson there...
-
Here's another way of looking at it. Despite our perceived poor / mediocre performances quite often of late, if you look at the table - had we held on against Rotherham and won at Rochdale instead of that late horror show, we would actually now be joint 8th in the table.
So, changing nothing in our season bar about 5 minutes of it in two separate games, we'd be pushing a play off place. How would people be feeling then? Like we were stealing a place in the top 10 or that we had battled well to earn it? If we can get some good wins next month against struggling sides the entire complexion of the campaign may change completely.
Here's another way of looking at it. Despite our perceived poor / mediocre performances quite often of late, if you look at the table - had we held on against Rotherham and won at Rochdale instead of that late horror show, we would actually now be joint 8th in the table.
So, changing nothing in our season bar about 5 minutes of it in two separate games, we'd be pushing a play off place. How would people be feeling then? Like we were stealing a place in the top 10 or that we had battled well to earn it? If we can get some good wins next month against struggling sides the entire complexion of the campaign may change completely.
That's all well and good, however, if Lawlor hadn't made a really good save against Pompey in stoppage time or if Milton Keynes had took their chances yesterday, we'd be in/very close to the relegation zone.
So we are where we are...
1) But we didn't
2) Exactly Anne
We are where we deserve to be
-
And there is the glass half empty. No we didn't but I'm just demonstrating how close to being in a totally different position we are. The league is very close even after 20 games of the season.
-
Some people will always take the negative viewpoint
-
Are we actually getting any better?
Well aye. We’re averaging 1.15 ppg now.
At League One level with our club our previous manager does have a better PPG ratio than our current manager - so the question is valid as to whether we have actually moved on (noting again that we got relegated in the interim)?
Ha ha
Brilliant
This is an objective fact that cannot be dismissed.
The League One history of our recent managers in this league, updated to reflect the latest results.
Ferguson has now surpassed Dickov in terms of games in League One that he has managed at Rovers.
Dean Saunders - 26 games and 50 points - 1.92 points per game
Brian Flynn - 20 games and 34 points - 1.70 points per game
Sean O'Driscoll - 86 games and 135 points - 1.56 points per game
Dave Penney - 97 games and 140 points - 1.44 points per game
Paul Dickov - 52 games and 67 points - 1.28 points per game
Darren Ferguson - 55 games and 58 points - 1.05 points per game
The stats do prove however that DF’s L1 record with us is the worst in recent years.
Irrespective of where the teams are,or were when when each particular manager came in they get the plaudits if it goes well and the brickbats if it doesn’t.
-
Surely it's not as black and white as that, if a manager brought us down from the league above kept his job and we were favourites to get promoted. He surely should be expecting to have a much more successful season than a side that's just got promoted from the league below?
It's just common sense
Dickov left us about 18 places lower than when he took over, I'm not sure we've ever been 18 places lower under ferguson from where he took over.
-
Surely it's not as black and white as that, if a manager brought us down from the league above kept his job and we were favourites to get promoted. He surely should be expecting to have a much more successful season than a side that's just got promoted from the league below?
It's just common sense
Dickov left us about 18 places lower than when he took over, I'm not sure we've ever been 18 places lower under ferguson from where he took over.
Maybe not in places in the ladder but certainly he took us to L2.
As we only had one point after two L2 games I wouldn’t be surprised if we had been as low as 15th which would be at least 18 places lower than when he came to us.
-
I think any manager that took over a title winning side, then got relegated and then we're looking like being in a relegation battle in the league below would be looking for a new job.
Ferguson got us relegated but he then won probably the easiest promotion we've ever had,
And now this season we're in a position only a couple of points lower than what most people were expecting.
-
No comment on the 18 places lower then I see.
The title winning side that Dickov took over we’re playing in the Championship though and to be fair to him, Rovers are / were always going to find it hard to stay in that division.
-
No comment on the 18 places lower then I see.
The title winning side that Dickov took over we’re playing in the Championship though and to be fair to him, Rovers are / were always going to find it hard to stay in that division.
You made no comment about my first paragraph, didn't think I needed to point that out,
Anyhow I've no idea where we were after 2 games I'm not sure league tables are even bothered with after 2 games
-
No comment on the 18 places lower then I see.
The title winning side that Dickov took over we’re playing in the Championship though and to be fair to him, Rovers are / were always going to find it hard to stay in that division.
You made no comment about my first paragraph, didn't think I needed to point that out,
Anyhow I've no idea where we were after 2 games I'm not sure league tables are even bothered with after 2 games
Come on mate, there are league tables after just one game.
With one point from two games we would not be higher than 15th.
-
Not even when we were near the bottom of League Two after losing at Accrington?
Pedantic, yes, but then you'd know all about that...
-
Not even when we were near the bottom of League Two after losing at Accrington?
Pedantic, yes, but then you'd know all about that...
We would've been around midtable after Accrington game, I'd say about 15th-17th certainly not near the bottom
-
What an amazingly sad reflection of today's mentality in our society this thread is . I think that often the attacks made on managers players and the club in general say much more about the lives of the critics than the acts of those being criticised .
-
Not even when we were near the bottom of League Two after losing at Accrington?
Pedantic, yes, but then you'd know all about that...
We would've been around midtable after Accrington game, I'd say about 15th-17th certainly not near the bottom
17th is fairly near the bottom in a table of 24. And 15th would be, er, 18 places below where he took over, no?
https://experimental361.com/2017/05/06/league-2-table-footprints-201617/ According to this, we spent 3 days in 18th, as it happens.
-
What an amazingly sad reflection of today's mentality in our society this thread is . I think that often the attacks made on managers players and the club in general say much more about the lives of the critics than the acts of those being criticised .
Exactly
-
What an amazingly sad reflection of today's mentality in our society this thread is . I think that often the attacks made on managers players and the club in general say much more about the lives of the critics than the acts of those being criticised .
Exactly
Not a lot of thought goes into what a persons personal circumstance were/are for players or managers they are favourites if they are doing well and not of course if they struggle. Some will share personal stories good or bad but a lot don't and there's plenty of reasons, depression, child birth, death etc.............. I would hate to work under circumstances where not only those that paid my wages were critics but once or twice a week a stadium full of people had their say as well.
-
What an amazingly sad reflection of today's mentality in our society this thread is . I think that often the attacks made on managers players and the club in general say much more about the lives of the critics than the acts of those being criticised .
You could argue,that's the game there in and what they signed up to when they decided to become pro footballers..The abuse players and managers get today on a Saturday is no different to when I first started going 40 years ago...
I gave them some stick when they walked off at half time because frankly they deserved it,apart from Houghton it looked like 11 players had been thrown a shirt and asked to run around a bit..It was the basic stuff that was grating me..Heading and passing along our 6 yard box,fairy tackles in midfield and just the general impression that they were bloody useless...It was cold and I was dam annoyed because the system was terrible and it didn't look like the players knew what to do.
it's very rare you hear the black bank singing at them to Sort it out but they were and frankly everybody in the ground thought we were lucky to go in 1 down only..
Second half with a formation change and young Beestin coming on and it was like watching a different team,suddenly we were a yard quicker a lot more hungry and we had movement and at the end I applauded and clapped them off as did everybody else..So for me they got grief at half time and applause at full time and I don't think they can complain at either reaction tbh...
-
What an amazingly sad reflection of today's mentality in our society this thread is . I think that often the attacks made on managers players and the club in general say much more about the lives of the critics than the acts of those being criticised .
Grainge, this is a football forum isn't it, where we discuss all things football (as well as other stuff).
If all we ever posted about was good stuff it would soon become a ghost forum.
Surely any one of us has a right to question something that is happening on the football side of things if we are unhappy with the way things are going.
For me personally, i am one of those people who doesn't boo players or shout abuse at them on match days but will voice an opinion on here.
There are people around me in the stadium who quite frankly are an embarrassment, some of the abuse that they shout at individual players, well to be honest i often wonder why they bother going to matches at all.
I don't think it is an indictment on most of the forum contributors when they question on here things about the football club.