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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Padge_DRFC on November 25, 2017, 05:53:54 pm
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When is the earliest time we can send him back? Useless. At fault for the first goal and looked like he didn’t care.
He could probably play all day because he’ll never get tired from just jogging around the pitch. Please send him back and play the side that started the second half next week.
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I think it’s January. When Fergie says he knows what he’s going to do in January I think letting him go back and signing an experienced replacement may be one of the things.
I don’t agree he’s useless at all he looks talented enough to me but I’d rather he ‘learnt’ the game playing for somebody else.
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He might be a good player one day, but he’s not now, and we live in the present. It’d be worth persisting if he was going to be part of our future, but he’s not. He’s taking up a shirt that could and should have been given to Alfie Beestin on a more regular basis. He can go back to the Manchester City academy for me.
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Send him back, he's utterly useless.
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Kongolo has no discipline off the ball and cannot get in and amongst it during a physical midfield battle. If he was our player is give him another chance but he isn't and he never will be. He's not what we need in a League One scrap.
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He's not trying to be poor but he just isn't ready yet.
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And to think we waited all summer to sign him
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He's not trying to be poor but he just isn't ready yet.
"He's not trying to be poor". And the No Shit Sherlock award goes to big fat yorkshire pudding
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I think the lad has talent but it’s as a wider player hugging the line, he has pace and have seen him deliver decent balls on occasions - when he plays centrally he looks like a little lad lost
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He looked fed up when he walked onto the pitch today like he ready didn’t want to be there had the good odd touch but at fault for the goal needs games to learn but not at our expense, if we want a young player to learn the game use our own.
With the 2 cup games coming up maybe a chance for the young players to get a run out.
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think generally the loan players we've got the last couple of years haven't adding anything better that what we have, plus it feels like we have to play them no matter what or at the least they get preferential treatment...
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I can’t see where he has talent. He can’t pass other than back, he doesn’t have the ability to go pass a defender on the outside and tries to take too many on the inside, he can’t tackle doesn’t mark players, doesn’t help his full back out, doesn’t show for the ball or move into space and goes awol.
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he must have talent to be picked up by manchester city and captain the Netherlands U20s, it's just not being put to the best use in our current team I think. He is probably used to more time on the ball and more talented players around him. He certainly shouldn't be playing the wellens role!
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This will probably sound stupid, but he does have talent and he looked good in patches including at Arsenal.
At the moment, he’s not got the right mentality or application for a league 1 scrap.
I think we will see him playing at a higher level in future but can we afford to develop him at the moment - probably not.
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think generally the loan players we've got the last couple of years haven't adding anything better that what we have, plus it feels like we have to play them no matter what or at the least they get preferential treatment...
Im sure most folks would argue jordan Houghton would disagree with you.
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think generally the loan players we've got the last couple of years haven't adding anything better that what we have, plus it feels like we have to play them no matter what or at the least they get preferential treatment...
Im sure most folks would argue jordan Houghton would disagree with you.
agreed on houghton but only been able to say 1 of the 4 is worth their place just proves what i'm saying
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When is the earliest time we can send him back? Useless. At fault for the first goal and looked like he didn’t care.
He could probably play all day because he’ll never get tired from just jogging around the pitch. Please send him back and play the side that started the second half next week.
first goal, don't you mean there only goal
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When is the earliest time we can send him back? Useless. At fault for the first goal and looked like he didn’t care.
He could probably play all day because he’ll never get tired from just jogging around the pitch. Please send him back and play the side that started the second half next week.
first goal, don't you mean there only goal
So a young player who is an under 19 international and captain of a Manchester City under 23 team is useless?
Really?
That is about as stupid as a comment by a knobhead behind me today who said Andy Butler wouldn’t get in a Sunday League team.
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I can guess who that was hound. He's the same week in, week out about Butler...
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It's funny you should mention the Arsenal game, Stockton, and whilst I agree at times he looked good in parts, he also left Matty Blair time and time again to 2 and 3 on 1's. He has no idea how to do the dirty work, or it could be he thinks it's below his perceived stature? Either way, he isn't contributing much and I think he has been the biggest disappointment so far this season.
He is not what we need right now and I hope he returns to his parent club in January, but only if we replace him with someone who can do the defensive part as well as cause problems offensively.
The lad is not useless, he has more talent than some of our promising youngsters, but but at the end of the day what does it mean to him if he plays badly? He can go back to City and be mollycoddled! He came with a bigger reputation than was warranted - he still has a lot to learn.
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Im not saying he’s useless because let’s call a spade a spade we’ve had worse, but I am yet to see what he brings. We’ve had worse but I can’t remember the last time we had a player who looks less interested. He constantly looks like he’s got another gear that he just can’t be bothered to go into, that’s the only way I can describe him. In my opinion he will not be missed!
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He's probably caught it from Mandeville! ;)
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I can't see what Rodney brings to the team. At the minute he's a waste of a shirt.
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he must have talent to be picked up by manchester city and captain the Netherlands U20s, it's just not being put to the best use in our current team I think. He is probably used to more time on the ball and more talented players around him. He certainly shouldn't be playing the wellens role!
You see I would agree with that , the lad clearly has talent but I would question his application.
Players don't come through the Citeh Academy lacking talent and they certainly aren't kept on if they totally flatter to deceive.
I would fancy that the Man City scouts and management have seen a different player than we see most of the time - who would question their ability to select decent players or at least rough ( very rough ) diamonds here. Certainly I wouldn't and have some sympathy with those that say he shouldn't be guaranteed a starting position ( if perhaps the wrong one ) with us currently.
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Im not saying he’s useless because let’s call a spade a spade we’ve had worse, but I am as a footballer.
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he must have talent to be picked up by manchester city and captain the Netherlands U20s, it's just not being put to the best use in our current team I think. He is probably used to more time on the ball and more talented players around him. He certainly shouldn't be playing the wellens role!
You see I would agree with that , the lad clearly has talent but I would question his application.
Players don't come through the Citeh Academy lacking talent and they certainly aren't kept on if they totally flatter to deceive.
I would fancy that the Man City scouts and management have seen a different player than we see most of the time - who would question their ability to select decent players or at least rough ( very rough ) diamonds here. Certainly I wouldn't and have some sympathy with those that say he shouldn't be guaranteed a starting position ( if perhaps the wrong one ) with us currently.
It’s a different game playing against boys to playing against men.
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He reminds me of the Arsenal loanee we had who went on to Ipswich ( can't recall his name at 7 oclock in morning here ). .. just as much a dilemna as with all 19 year olds .
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When is the earliest time we can send him back? Useless. At fault for the first goal and looked like he didn’t care.
He could probably play all day because he’ll never get tired from just jogging around the pitch. Please send him back and play the side that started the second half next week.
first goal, don't you mean there only goal
Yes at this minute in time he is useless and does nothing for us other than jog around the pitch looking like he can’t be bothered.
So a young player who is an under 19 international and captain of a Manchester City under 23 team is useless?
Really?
That is about as stupid as a comment by a knobhead behind me today who said Andy Butler wouldn’t get in a Sunday League team.
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When is the earliest time we can send him back? Useless. At fault for the first goal and looked like he didn’t care.
He could probably play all day because he’ll never get tired from just jogging around the pitch. Please send him back and play the side that started the second half next week.
first goal, don't you mean there only goal
If we’re going to be fussy. It’s ‘their goal’ not there goal.
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He reminds me of the Arsenal loanee we had who went on to Ipswich ( can't recall his name at 7 oclock in morning here ). .. just as much a dilemna as with all 19 year olds .
JET.
Difference was that JET could when he was pointed in right direction, destroy Championship clubs when he was with us.
Kongolo is still work in progress and struggling to make a regular impact in League One.
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JET had it in him to win a game on his own, and he did so on occasion, too. A huge talent and a huge waste in equal measure.
Kongolo is too far away at the moment for me. And it’s the nonchalance that’s most frustrating. He just looks like he’s out for a jog at less than 50% effort. There’s just not enough happening.
Compare and contrast with Jordan Houghton (not at his best yesterday admittedly), another loan signing, who bosses games and plays like he wants to be here and takes some pride in it. In fairness I think Houghton has a couple of years on Rodney, too.
Rodney needs to go back to Manchester City and have a think about what he wants to achieve and what that will take. He’s not our future project, and shouldn’t be blocking Beestin’s route into the team.
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Could it be the lads mind set (iam from Manchester City ,iam a International player , you are only League one players ) i play every game, bench time for him you have to earn your place
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He might be brilliant in the future but he's not yet League One level. Send back and get someone in like Wellens. Keep Whiteman because he does offer us something.
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If Kingolo is the future of Dutch football, they'll miss out on a few more international tournements
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we need to play the grafters, unfortunately he isn`t one.
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He will play Tuesday,probably be sub next Saturday,but being a loan player has more than a 50% chance of coming on at some time in the game.
Me, I would only play him in a more advanced role further up the field where he can cause some damage,he is poor in his own half,and has been coached to retain the ball even if it is negative to do so.
He wants to start running at people and hurting them,he has it in his locker and does it in wide positions and has created a couple of goals doing it.
Like a couple of our players he is a square peg in a round hole,but for those who want to send him back,if Tommy Rowe or Copps got a long standing injury this season we would need him to play their role.
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Would we? We've got Mandeville, Beestin, Whiteman or Longbottom capable there.
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Bit of a puzzle this one. He's clearly a gifted young player but perhaps he's found it difficult to adapt to the rigours of lower league football.
Doing the mucky stuff doesn't come naturally to him and and playing formations and shape that he's not used to. He doesn't really look like he's enjoying his football but then again, we could say that of a few recently.
Whilst we need loan players to do a job, we also have a responsibility to make sure they're looked after and given the right guidance and encouragement. I'm sure DF will give careful consideration whether to extend the loan.
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There is probably also some consideration of our future relationship with Man City and indeed the other mega clubs, when it comes to young players.
If we want to take their talent in future we have to show we can make use of their lads and give them game time and not mess them around. We start sending players back early or leaving them on bench for weeks on end then Rovers do not look a good home for young loanees. Different to formal agreement over starting places but same motivation.
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There is probably also some consideration of our future relationship with Man City and indeed the other mega clubs, when it comes to young players.
If we want to take their talent in future we have to show we can make use of their lads and give them game time and not mess them around. We start sending players back early or leaving them on bench for weeks on end then Rovers do not look a good home for young loanees. Different to formal agreement over starting places but same motivation.
Agreed, but the loan comes to an end in early January, so not extending the loan - for example saying through injuries we desperately need a striker instead - might not sound too bad. The maximum loan players we can play is 5 and IMHO we have to leave one possibility open for a keeper in case of injuries. We don't want to be paying for 6 or 7 loan players when we can only play 5.
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Where is JET playing now by the way.
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QPR I think
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Is he getting a regular first team game.
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Don't think so
Been on loan twice to Gillingham and mk dons
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Some of these prem youngsters seem too cosseted. Less money, having to scrap for their privileges, having spirit in their souls and bodies rather than something akin to an app. Pah!
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I think of Bambi when I see Rodney play. When Bambi was born he was all legs and couldn't control them or himself.