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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on December 03, 2017, 11:18:41 pm
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Two well taken goals in a game and a bit, he found room for himself in the box for both goals, and gave the goalkeeper no chance,one with his right foot today, and one with his left foot on Tuesday. He should be starting for me,he is the most talented striker we have got on the books by a mile,and complements the all action Marquis the best, and controls the ball in an instant when under pressure, allowing him to get away from defenders in the box.
Memories of smash em and grab em at Bristol Rovers,The nick names of Warboys and his partner when they scored for fun.
But they can only thrive if they are given the service,and now we have started to man up in midfield it is starting to show.
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He's one of our own,
he's one of our own,
Mandy Mandy
he's one of our own.
Couldn't agree more Selby
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Bannister was the other half of smash em and grab em with Warboys, a great player in his day.
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Not for me, Selby, not yet. He still has much work to do. Whilst I'm with you he is talented, he has flaws in his game still. In the league we're in you must have a bit of steel about you and the stamina to see out 90 minutes when you have been kicked from pillar to post throughout the game.
For me, his aerial ability is just not there - at all - and his physicality needs lots of work, I.e. He needs to bulk up a bit. Take yesterday's well taken goal for example; the chances are that if he'd started the game, he wouldn't have been anywhere near that through ball and, if he had, he'd have been forced off it.
Don't get me wrong, I like the lad and he has many positives, but he still has a few basic flaws that need working on and he will be an automatic starter. The other question seems to be his mental strength, as DF has alluded to recently.
Alfie May has leap frogged him, for now, in the pecking order. Our needs in the team are for workrate first and then display your talents. This league is an unforgiving one.
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Alan,I totally disagree,and highlighting heading ability is it some kind of joke,I have seen Mandeville score a cracker at Exeter last season at the far post,Alfie is $ inches too short,and has missed at least 6 chances on a plate this season having to take a touch, Bradford and a sitter at home in a game being the worst.
One has a touch of class,one is a runner,Runners are impact players off the bench,I love Alfie to bits,Effort,tenacity,everything crowds love to see,but he is not as good as Mandeville.
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Alan,I totally disagree,and highlighting heading ability is it some kind of joke,I have seen Mandeville score a cracker at Exeter last season at the far post,Alfie is $ inches too short,and has missed at least 6 chances on a plate this season having to take a touch, Bradford and a sitter at home in a game being the worst.
One has a touch of class,one is a runner,Runners are impact players off the bench,I love Alfie to bits,Effort,tenacity,everything crowds love to see,but he is not as good as Mandeville.
Different players, both useful in different situations.
Liam just needs to work that little bit harder, but not massively so. He could be wasting energy by chasing everything, something May has had to learn and noticeably has.
Mandeville for me should be in the team next weekend, he's done more than enough to earn another shot and a consistent run at it, not just 1/2 games. Worth remembering he more than any has to adjust to league 1.
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That would probably mean leaving Beestin out.
Would you do that ?
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Yes ... Beestin is not strong enough but when he is , he’ll be brilliant.
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Mandy is scoring at the minute..So would you start him over Beestin?? Interesting dilemma..Beestin seems to be playing well but it's all about the onion bag this game..Tough one
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Yes ... Beestin is not strong enough but when he is , he’ll be brilliant.
TBF to Beestin, he was excellent against MKD in that second half and was very good in the first half against Scunny.
He did fade away in the second half though and in my opinion, Mandeville is very similar in that he rarely lasts 90 minutes at first team level.
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Both have a good touch and link play up well. Beestin is bigger in frame and perhaps has a slight advantage over Mandeville in the physical department whereas Liam is a better goal scorer.
I would like to see them both get stronger and better conditioned as we have some talent there.
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Both have a good touch and link play up well. Beestin is bigger in frame and perhaps has a slight advantage over Mandeville in the physical department whereas Liam is a better goal scorer.
I would like to see them both get stronger and better conditioned as we have some talent there.
That's great in a massive club were you can afford things like that but for us not so..If you are going to have 2 young lads on pro contracts going for the same position you need them to offer different things and different options..Reality is we will probably bring a striker in for January which means him,May and Marquis will be fighting for two spots..Mandeville and Beestin are going to be on the outside looking in..So 1 of them is unlikely to even make a matchday squad and there progress will Stall...
So for me 1 of them has to go out on loan to get 1st team football at a lower level..Probably Beestin..
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The problem with Liam when he was given a chance at start of season he was awful just didn't seem fit, plus point is he seems to be looking sharper now
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He's one of our own,
he's one of our own,
Mandy Mandy
he's one of our own.
Isn't Liam from Lincoln?
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He has the same playing style , gait and balance as Steve McManaman had .
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Worth noting. In the past 13 months, Mandeville has made 19 starts and 14 (mostly brief) sub appearances in all competitions.
He's scored 12 goals in that time. And he's still not 21 for another 3 months.
I think we've every right to be quite excited about the lad's potential. And that's before you take into account his turn of skill on the ball.
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Agreed, he's got great skill and potential, and already developing a nice little scoring record. We seem to be transfixed in this country on physical attributes at the expense of technical ability. And if strikers don't score one every game, they're 'shite'.
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That's great in a massive club were you can afford things like that but for us not so..If you are going to have 2 young lads on pro contracts going for the same position you need them to offer different things and different options..Reality is we will probably bring a striker in for January which means him,May and Marquis will be fighting for two spots..Mandeville and Beestin are going to be on the outside looking in..So 1 of them is unlikely to even make a matchday squad and there progress will Stall...
So for me 1 of them has to go out on loan to get 1st team football at a lower level..Probably Beestin..
I think between May, Mandy, and Beestin we have players who can do the job, develop and be subbed as and when. Williams adds to this, when fit again. I can't see the need to strengthen up front right now. Midfield, or defence would be wiser, and with someone of real quality, better than what we have, with a mind to keeping him next season and beyond.
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Williams is out until about April, isn't he?
We only have two out-and-out strikers: Marquis and May. Beestin is an attacking midfielder and Mandeville is clearly better suited to a #10 role but he can probably count as a third striker. I think we do need to strengthen up front.
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He's one of our own,
he's one of our own,
Mandy Mandy
he's one of our own.
Isn't Liam from Lincoln?
I thought Mandy came through the youth section of the club but even if he never I have adopted him....
he's one of our own
I hope this kid makes it big at Donny but he needs the verbal support to get the best out of him.
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Any further news on Kiwomya yet ?
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Have to agree with Selby, technically Mandeville is one of the best players in our squad and is a very good finisher. He has to start next week for me.
Both May and Beestin are at the moment impact players to bring on off the bench.
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He's one of our own,
he's one of our own,
Mandy Mandy
he's one of our own.
Isn't Liam from Lincoln?
I think he is from Middlesbrough (or that way on)
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He's one of our own,
he's one of our own,
Mandy Mandy
he's one of our own.
Isn't Liam from Lincoln?
I think he is from Middlesbrough (or that way on)
Born in Lincoln. But he has come through our youth system. Played in the same age group teams as the McKay brothers.
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He was scouted quite late playing Sunday league wasn't He?
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That's it then...................
"He's one of our own"
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That's it then...................
"He's one of our own"
:thumbsup:
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He's one of our own,
he's one of our own,
Mandy Mandy
he's one of our own.
Isn't Liam from Lincoln?
Says Lincoln in the "blurb" and the fact that he has the same b-day as me (just a year or two later)
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I love how we ways argue why we can't sing that about one of our players.
Husband - Came from Leeds youth not from Donny
Butler - Came through Scunny youth but Donny lad.
Middleton - Came through Donny youth and from Donny. Ahh, the perfect player. Lets start singing it immediately... Oh wait.
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Who cares.. let's just support the lads on the pitch, wherever they are from??
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I posted at start of season that i thought Manderville would be a big asset to rovers,weather in the team or our next big transfer to better things.He seemed to have lost his way in the first part of season but now beginning to show a bit more so i will stand by what i said.i also said that May would benifit from having his first pre-season at a proffesional club and it showed until injury curtailed his progress
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I would love our supporters to chant "He's one of our own" and then witness what it does for his confidence. We all want him to reach his full potential at Donny.
I think I am right in saying that Harry Kane started off at Arsenal very young but the Spurs fans have adopted him as "One of their own because he came through their youth section to the first team/England team.
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I love how we ways argue why we can't sing that about one of our players.
No-one's arguing about anything (hence my thunbs up)? Was pointing out he was born in Lincoln, but as others have rightly pointed out he came up through our youth system.
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His mother was visiting relatives in Lincoln when she went into labour. So technically he's one of our own :woohoo:
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Alan Southstand, if Fergie keeps ignoring Mandeville and plays Alfie and Beestin,and they do not improve their goals to games ratio we are in danger of going down,and Fergie losing his job mate.
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He has the same playing style , gait and balance as Steve McManaman had .
and no-where near the ability, sorry can't get carried away with this love fest for Liam
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Husband came through our youth team he was released by Leeds at about 14-15.
And Middleton I believe is from Hull
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He has the same playing style , gait and balance as Steve McManaman had .
and no-where near the ability, sorry can't get carried away with this love fest for Liam
Maybe it's down to him having a better scoring record than any 20 year old that's come up through our ranks since Kitch and Bren?
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Husband came through our youth team he was released by Leeds at about 14-15.
And Middleton I believe is from Hull
He's from Doncaster. But he was in their youth system, yes.
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Billy,you cannot convince people who dislike players because of their gait when running, or their facial expressions which makes them look tired.
It makes them overlook the most precious gift a player can have, awareness of space and time in the penalty area, and ballance and the gift of being able to take a chance early.
We have not had many players with this ability in the many years I have watched The Rovers, I think this kid has got it, and I prefer it to running.
It reminds me of Clark explaining the difference between his time at Newcastle and Fulham. At Newcastle he had Mickey Quinn drinking a bottle of Brown Ale at training, at Fulham he had Tigana with diet sheets and modern training methods,the talk sport commentators jumped on him laughing and said what a difference you must have found at Fulham, he answered yes we didnt have a Mickey Quinn to score 20 plus goals a season.
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nothing to do with gait or facial expressions, the lads got very little pace poor stamina gets knocked off yhe ball easily and wins very few headers. Can't deny is ability with the ball at his feet but he just doesn't do enough for me to warrant a place in the 1st 11 it's all down to opinions is it not?
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Pace is not everything.Teddy sherringham had none but had a great career.Footballers should use what they do have and if the current playing side doesnt play to that i suggest they move on.
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So 4 goals in his last 5 1st team appearances is not doing enough for you is it Raven.
Would you like to enlighten me as to who you think is doing enough as a striker then.
By the way they are not all full game appearances, and I would take a bet he carries the ball at his feet quicker than any of our strikers with only Marquis coming near.
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As I've posted before there is a difference between a goal scorer, a striker and a forward, Liam Manderville is a forward .
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So 4 goals in his last 5 1st team appearances is not doing enough for you is it Raven.
Would you like to enlighten me as to who you think is doing enough as a striker then.
By the way they are not all full game appearances, and I would take a bet he carries the ball at his feet quicker than any of our strikers with only Marquis coming near.
None of our strikers are as I think most people would agree Marquis is working hard with no end product, Alfie is still work in progress others are injured. What are the games you are counting as his last 5? As I said it's all about opinions
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Raven,
Portsmouth scored Played as lone striker
Walsall subbed
Scunthorpe E. F. L. cup Scored
Rochdale E.F.L. cup scored
Scunthorpe F.A.cup scored played last 20 minutes
If you want to be picky he also scored two penalties in the two penalty shoot outs that I have not counted and are not in the official results.
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I might add Raven that against Walsall he was subbed on 56 minutes with the score at 0-0.
Him and Baudry were subbed by Rodney and Copps, 10 mins later we were 2- 0 down and lost 3-0.
He has not had a start in a league fixture since.
To repeat what B.S.T. has said, he has the best scoring record of any 20yr old since Peter Kitchen,lets hope we do not lose him, we may be going the right way to do so.
Some of the crowds attitude to him remind me of the people that did not rate Brian Dean. Some people have a knack of recognising good strikers.
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Ah I had a feeling that the 2 checkatrade would be counted. Yes you are completely correct some people do have a knack of recognising good strikers some don't mmm we'll see
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First team fixtures Raven, the same as the League Cup,take the two Alfie scored in that and it leaves him with 6 goals in 33 matches. Some admittedly not starts, but poor by comparison, and you can only score in the games you play in.
You could also turn it to say that scoring while surrounded by a lot of youngsters, against two experienced teams fielded by Scunthorpe and Rochdale is even more commendable.
They were two cracking goals as well.
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The goal that Mandy put away was only a tap in, but the ball was slightly behind him and he had to adjust his body to get his foot around the ball.
It was a proper strikers finish.
The one he scored against Scunny in the FA Cup was another classic strikers finish, the type that our other forwards have been missing.
Mandy IS a natural finisher but I also believe that he has struggled in other areas of his game so far this season.
The conundrum is, can we afford to be carrying him to a certain extent in the hope that the scoring opportunities fall to him.
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First team fixtures Raven, the same as the League Cup,take the two Alfie scored in that and it leaves him with 6 goals in 33 matches. Some admittedly not starts, but poor by comparison, and you can only score in the games you play in.
You could also turn it to say that scoring while surrounded by a lot of youngsters, against two experienced teams fielded by Scunthorpe and Rochdale is even more commendable.
They were two cracking goals as well.
Unlike some I go to the checkatrade home games I thought Khemis goal against Sunderland was better but set up by Liam. The only person who can change my opinion is Liam himself
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Fair comment Raven,I hope he does.
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have we all forgotten how he single handedly came off the bench on November 12th 2016 against useless Exeter who hadn't won at homwe for years and were next to the bottom (there amazing run was just about to begin) remember the commentary when he came on a sub and had a right go at sulking Marquis according to radio Sheffield scored one made 2 "just like that"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37881326
Liam Mandeville came off the bench in the second half to to score one goal and create two for John Marquis as Doncaster Rovers fought back to beat Exeter City.
calvin lewin as I've said many time couldn't get a start for the blades
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C.L.H. thats what gets me, our best period last season was when Marquis and Mandeville were paired together. Both scored goals and complemented each other well. When we hit the buffers at the end of the season and so many of our players,Grant,Mason,Alcock were playing poorly week after week and the goals dried up,Mandeville along with Lund and Middleton was completely ignored.
They could not have possibly done any worse than those three in the last six matches last season, and Marquis was never as potent as with Mandeville.
It seems to me that things have not changed for Mandeville this season, some players seem to be able to produce very little for quite long periods, while others only get a run of a couple of indifferent games before being replaced, while the real problems lie in a different part of the field altogether, and the quality of the service strikers get from midfield.