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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on December 16, 2017, 05:22:25 pm
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Another late goal, brought on by us sitting deeper and inviting them on
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With that midfield, what did you expect? Fergie needs more than 1 or 2!
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Can’t see a game out . Clueless . Get rid now
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With that midfield, what did you expect? Fergie needs more than 1 or 2!
We did ok for 59 minutes, but bringing Kongolo on when we've retreated into our shell was totally the wrong substitution, and don't get me started on Mandevile's lack of effort
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All the subs were baffling. Let's change the defensive set-up with less than ten minutes to go, not a good call. Ferguson plainly failing to learn from the same mistakes time after time after bloody time.
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What does that tell you
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Finally someone seeing sence
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The substitutions were a response to Oldham's change of tactic and they were going for it. The one sub that baffled me was Mande - not a lad to be in the trenches with. If we had better midfielders, we could have made better changes but we simply don't have any!
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All the subs were baffling. Let's change the defensive set-up with less than ten minutes to go, not a good call. Ferguson plainly failing to learn from the same mistakes time after time after bloody time.
This is basically what we said on the way home. Draw was a fair result, but each substitution made us worse as a team, first 2 were players coming on that weren't right for the situation, then the third unbalanced is defensively. Keep Garrett on and take beestin off.
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All the subs were baffling. Let's change the defensive set-up with less than ten minutes to go, not a good call. Ferguson plainly failing to learn from the same mistakes time after time after bloody time.
This is basically what we said on the way home. Draw was a fair result, but each substitution made us worse as a team, first 2 were players coming on that weren't right for the situation, then the third unbalanced is defensively. Keep Garrett on and take beestin off.
Garrett took a heavy blow to the head in the first half and he was out on his feet when he came off. With Toffolo gone, he's our only available left-back!
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Ok, so if they we're going for it, why do you sub Whiteman who had a good game, put some tackles in, for Kongolo who has very little defensive attributes?
For me, tinkering with the defensive shape, even given they brought a big fella on, was the wrong thing to do because it's the supply line out wide that caused the problem.
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Whiteman didn't have a good game. He was woeful in the first half, but improved loads in the second.
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Whiteman didn't have a good game. He was woeful in the first half, but improved loads in the second.
Out of position like a number of players
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He's a centre midfielder,
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Played on the right
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We played quite well I thought. Some young players are really improving.
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I thought that considering the youthful age of that team they did well and I am happy to support this development strategy . We have been unlucky with our left flank players for sure Andrew, Kiwomya and now Toffolo out with serious injuries . It looks like Garrett and Amos are to get accelerated development now !!!! When is McCullough due back ?
I agree about late goals syndrome but it invariably starts with slackness further upfield conceding the ball as it did again today .
Lawlor 8 Garratt 6 Butler 8 Wright 7 Mason 6 Houghton 7 Whiteman 6 Rowe 7 Beestin 7 Marquis 7 May 7 .
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lets face it Oldham looked a far better footballing side than us, we escaped with a point.
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We all knew that goal was coming, sad but true.
And agreed, Oldham played some lovely stuff but Lawlor didnt have too much to do. I thought a draw was fair.
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mentally weak?
I swear I thought you meant some of our "supporters" who post on here.
Our team is a work in progress, we are a couple of players away from the finished article.
Until we get these players in best you grow a pair and stop moaning.
Merry Xmas everyone
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lets face it Oldham looked a far better footballing side than us, we escaped with a point.
Oldham looked a great footballing side when they were passing it sideways on the half way line. Some of our phases of play, especially in the first half, when we recycled the ball 4 or 5 times when attacking was excellent. We are far from a bad side.
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mentally weak?
I swear I thought you meant some of our "supporters" who post on here.
Our team is a work in progress, we are a couple of players away from the finished article.
Until we get these players in best you grow a pair and stop moaning.
Merry Xmas everyone
A joke right?? I hope so. A couple of players away from the finished article?? Yeah, has to be a joke surely 😄😄
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Why?
Because he's not as negative as you?
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Why?
Because he's not as negative as you?
No, because we a re not a couple of players away from the finished article. Nowhere near at this level
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It's his opinion
Not many agree with your opinions on here so you're not going to agree with many are you
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Well you MrFrostsdad can be as miserable as you like. You must get loads of enjoyment out of sitting there at the Keepmoan.
From my pov I'm getting the feeling this team is on the verge of talking off. One more year and then Beestin & Mandeville, Garrat & Mason, Lawlor & Wright & Ben Khemis will be full grown men instead of youths playing mans football.
We'll have Andrew, McCulloch and Kiwomya back. All these will make us stronger.
We'll still have Blair, Baudry, Marquis & Rowe and hopefully Houghton. All these are good enough for top six in this league.
Butler is still performing at a very high level making a mockery out of all those who said he was finished.
So if we can add a right back who can get into some attacking positions and a partner for Big John we'll be more or less complete.
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He enjoys it but only when we lose, so he can come on here and tell everyone he was right.
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He enjoys it but only when we lose, so he can come on here and tell everyone he was right.
Do you know what Dickos, I reckon that more people disagree with everything you post on here than anyone else who can be bothered to contribute. I've never, ever in all my life seen comments so blinkered as yours. I reckon you're doing one for DF!
I take no pleasure whatsoever in seeing us get beat and playing the absolute garbage we have in many games this season. Everything this points to is the step up in divisions has been a bit too much for us.
Now it maybe some signings in January will make a big difference, I hope it does. Until then, I'll stick by my opinion we are not very good at this level. And I reckon the majority of people who watch us will agree with that.
Now we hear we have a top 8 budget or thereabouts, but we're certainly not performing like a top 8 team. That is down to the quality of players brought in by the manager. Danny Andrew is a big miss for us granted, but would the others who have been out long term make that much difference?? Etheridge? No, because having signed him Ferguson has no intentions of playing him. Kiwomya? No idea. McCullough? Maybe, maybe not
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Not sure they do. I get lots of messages telling me to not even bother getting involved in discussions with you because whatever happens you'll always moan about something.
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I look at this team and it reminds me of the team that got relegated, with Brian Deane, Rufus Brevitt,Paul Raven, Mark Rankine etc. All good young players that went on to better things, losing narrowly most weeks.
They just weren't experienced enough for the league that they were playing in. Three or four decent additions and we would have stayed up that year. Let's hope that we learn from history because whichever way you look at it we need to improve, fitness, injuries and experience in or before January.
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For God sake Dickos and MrFrostsDad, you're both as bad as each other.
MFD, you seem to revel in defeat, taking the opportunity to complain at anything possible.
Dickos, you're like an Ostrich, burying your head in the sand to any possible issues we may have.
VivaRovers touched on it a couple of fanzines ago, the middle ground of rationality does not exist any more. People are either at one extreme or the other. You two are the ends of the spectrum.
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At last someone talking sense
Surely we are not fit enough
Tired and becoming brain dead
We are losing too m@ny games in the last minutes
Come on get some proper Yorkshire nosh down em
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For God sake Dickos and MrFrostsDad, you're both as bad as each other.
MFD, you seem to revel in defeat, taking the opportunity to complain at anything possible.
Dickos, you're like an Ostrich, burying your head in the sand to any possible issues we may have.
VivaRovers touched on it a couple of fanzines ago, the middle ground of rationality does not exist any more. People are either at one extreme or the other. You two are the ends of the spectrum.
I disagree,
I never start topics saying how everything is rosy I mearly just respond to people being ridiculously negative all the time.
I've said we need more experience in the middle of the park, I've said we need more pace throughout the side, I've criticised the players for not taking responsibility, I've said Williams is no good,
There's lots that could be improved upon, but people didn't want Ferguson in the first place so whatever happens results wise is irrelevant they will still want him gone which brings about the ridiculous moaning.
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I look at this team and it reminds me of the team that got relegated, with Brian Deane, Rufus Brevitt,Paul Raven, Mark Rankine etc. All good young players that went on to better things, losing narrowly most weeks.
They just weren't experienced enough for the league that they were playing in. Three or four decent additions and we would have stayed up that year. Let's hope that we learn from history because whichever way you look at it we need to improve, fitness, injuries and experience in or before January.
Do you really think many of this team, especially the younger ones, will go on to better things?
In five years, I think some of them will be lucky if they're playing for one of the unfashionable teams in the Conference Premier.
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Jesus wept. I’m having a tough enough time at work at the minute without someone getting me thinking about how bad we were in 87/88.
It’s hard to conceive that the squad that turned in such awful performances every week contained so many young uns who would go on to greater things.
Deane. £6m in transfer fees, an England cap and 200 first team goals.
Tommy Gaynor. MoM in a Cloughie side at Wembley. (23:30 here kids, for the finest cross ever seen at Wembley. And by an ex-Rovers player https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vkNGkt2O-ZY )
Brevett Raven, Holmes and Rankine. I’d guess at well over 1000 Tier 1/2 games between them.
Clive Mendonca who played a couple of times on loan, looked shite then went on to score at the rate of one every 3 games for 15 years in Tiers 1 and 2.
Andy Rhodes played a good few games in Div2 and the SPL after leaving us.
Even Paul Gorman managed a season or two for Charlton in Div 2.
And then we had some other solid ones. Steve Gaughan. Glenn Humphries. Lee Turnbull. Micky Stead.
How bad a manager was McKay to get that lit relegated before the clocks had gone forward?
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mentally weak?
I swear I thought you meant some of our "supporters" who post on here.
Our team is a work in progress, we are a couple of players away from the finished article.
Until we get these players in best you grow a pair and stop moaning.
Merry Xmas everyone
I could not agree with you more . Development is coming on well , injuries having an impact ; all things considered the manager is doing a great job - just querying the timing and the type of substitution. Managers always feel the necessity to substitute even when the player coming on is less experienced/ able than the one coming off.
All players are more than capable of seeing out a full game . Some of the timings and subs have been baffling this season and I think that's what is pissing people off .
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For God sake Dickos and MrFrostsDad, you're both as bad as each other.
MFD, you seem to revel in defeat, taking the opportunity to complain at anything possible.
Dickos, you're like an Ostrich, burying your head in the sand to any possible issues we may have.
VivaRovers touched on it a couple of fanzines ago, the middle ground of rationality does not exist any more. People are either at one extreme or the other. You two are the ends of the spectrum.
Funnily enough Dickos, I was ok with Fergusons appointment. I didn't think we could really have expected anyone better. Unfortunately, he's proved me wrong.
He got us relegated in his first season when a half intelligent poodle could have kept us up, playing formations no-one had a clue about. Ok, it may be the board wouldn't let him spend any money in January because they thought we were safe, I don't know.
Yes, we got promoted back to L1 at the first attempt, but with the exception of Portsmouth I suspect we had more resources than anyone else in L2.
This season has been harder than we expected I think. But some of his decision making has been baffling in my eyes. Just one example was to bring on Kongolo for Whiteman on Saturday when we were 1 up. I'm sorry, but I can't think of anyone, experienced manager or someone with no idea about the game, who could possibly think that was a sensible substitution. And apparently he wants to keep Kongolo for the rest if the season. Why? I don't know anyone who has seen him who thinks that is a good idea, except DF.
We're at a critical stage of the season. Good festive period and we could be pushing half way. Bad festive period and we'll be in the relegation zone. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if Ferguson went. For me, we've made no progress at all since he came in.
People say 'who would we get in if he went?' Well, Nigel Adkins and Paul Jewell have been out of work for a considerable time, until the last couple of weeks. Would that have come here if we'd got rid of Ferguson? Who knows? Whatever happens, the board won't get rid of him. I doubt they'd sack him even if we got relegated (which I still don't think we will by the way)
I disagree,
I never start topics saying how everything is rosy I mearly just respond to people being ridiculously negative all the time.
I've said we need more experience in the middle of the park, I've said we need more pace throughout the side, I've criticised the players for not taking responsibility, I've said Williams is no good,
There's lots that could be improved upon, but people didn't want Ferguson in the first place so whatever happens results wise is irrelevant they will still want him gone which brings about the ridiculous moaning.
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You do know we were in the relegation zone when Ferguson took over don't you?
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You do know we were in the relegation zone when Ferguson took over don't you?
So i guess where we are is a massive improvement on that, just outside of the bottom four.
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You do know we were in the relegation zone when Ferguson took over don't you?
So i guess where we are is a massive improvement on that, just outside of the bottom four.
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You are crackers! Next time maybe look at what I was responding to before jumping in all guns blazing.
He said a poodle could have kept us up, I said we were in the relegation zone when he took over.
What on earth that has to do with where we are now god only knows
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I do not think we will go down. Give or take a point or two, we will finish around a point a game and be safe. Our manager certainly hasn’t done disastrously by any measure this season but it is mediocre. Absolutely mediocre. Mediocre football, mediocre results. Kinda, meh really. Most folk I imagine could take or leave him, maybe easier all round if he stays, but not going to die in ditch for him if he was to be moved.
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You do know we were in the relegation zone when Ferguson took over don't you?
So i guess where we are is a massive improvement on that, just outside of the bottom four.
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You are crackers! Next time maybe look at what I was responding to before jumping in all guns blazing.
He said a poodle could have kept us up, I said we were in the relegation zone when he took over.
What on earth that has to do with where we are now god only knows
Perhaps if you made it clear which point of the post you were responding to people would not have to second guess.
The post by MFD was very extensive and it could have been that you were indicating, as you very often do, that things are ok and that we should be grateful that we are not in the relegation zone (at present) under DF.
Maybe you should consider looking at how your post might be construed before calling fellow posters crackers.
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I never suggest things are ok, I'm just not as negative as some, if we're 3 points off midtable and 3 points off relegation then there's two ways to look at it isn't there.
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Most of those below us have a game in hand. Should we lose at Bristol and those below us win it will put more pressure on us. Rochdale and Plymouth seem to be edging closer over the last couple of weeks.
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Like I've just said there's two ways of looking at it, if we win at Bristol and those above us lose then we will be midtable
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Exactly there are two or more sides to every opinion. Overly optimistic is just the opposite of overly pessimistic. Reality is usually somewhere between the two.
Our position won't ruin my Christmas but I am a little concerned.