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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: anne honemous on December 26, 2017, 11:47:46 pm
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Even though his off the ball work was awful today and he only looked interested when it suited him, if it was a straight choice between him and Mandeville, there would only be one winner.
And Liam still wouldn't get in the team!
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I couldn’t have put that reflection better myself! John may not be scoring goals but his effort can’t be faulted !! Take him out of the team and we would be in the relegation area guaranteed!!!
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Paul, I think the Anne is actually slating Marquis not praising him.
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Paul, I think the Anne is actually slating Marquis not praising him.
I can't fault Marquis when he's got the ball because he's always looking to bring others into the game or make something happen in that scenario.
When he hasn't got the ball, he's one of the most frustrating players I've ever seen.
But he's still streets, roads, towns and cities ahead of Mandeville.
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The difference between our two strikers,Marquis runs the channels, is physical, is aware of other players around him, gets in the face of the opposition, wins penalties from nothing, brings other players into play, has an attitude that gets up peoples noses,including some of our own supporters who do not appreciate his style of play. Scores goals when partnered by anyone else but Alfie May. And tries his best.
Alfie May runs the Channels, has to take a touch before playing the ball or shooting, has not got a lot of pace over longer distances than 10 yds, misses easy chances too regularly, is easily eased off the ball when one on one, is poor in the air, is not very good at bringing other players into the game. His scoring record is not very good. None of his partnerships with our other strikers have been a success. Tries his best
Is the apple of the eye to our manager, and some of our supporters.
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In fairness to Marquis his second touch is usually a tackle and if it’s not a tackle it a shrug of the shoulders. But we do not have a player to play his game of running the channels, closing down the defenders and keeper or getting under the noses of the opposition. But If he’d of taken either of the two clear cut chances he had we would not be talking about him in this vain today.
COYR
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I don't think you can say one is more guilty of missing chances than the other this season
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I’m astonished at some of the criticism. Marquis was fine yesterday. Not his greatest game but he did perfectly okay and was in and around the build up to each goal. His work rate is consistently outstanding and he’s unselfish with it. He’s our top scorer and has run himself into the ground in several recent games. The team is in a decent bit of form. Some of our fans are so hard to please.
Alfie May played well too.
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One or two posts are basing criticisms on their perception of his body language. My perception of his game is that he is a tireless worker often covering ground you would not expect a striker to be asked to cover .. from one side of the pitch to the other .. racing in to close down a goalkeeper's clearance and YESTERDAY even covering in a left back position . His body language is NEVER defeatist nor disinterested rather more anger at his own mistakes is my perception . As for the moaners and groaners I wonder what perceptions others have of them in their jobs and lives !
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One or two posts are basing criticisms on their perception of his body language. My perception of his game is that he is a tireless worker often covering ground you would not expect a striker to be asked to cover .. from one side of the pitch to the other .. racing in to close down a goalkeeper's clearance and YESTERDAY even covering in a left back position . His body language is NEVER defeatist nor disinterested rather more anger at his own mistakes is my perception . As for the moaners and groaners I wonder what perceptions others have of them in their jobs and lives !
Agree to an extent but when May played the poor through ball to him yesterday - a better-weighted one would have put him clean through - his reaction was very defeatist. The defender stumbled so it got to him anyway but if he hadn't thrown a strop he could have taken a better touch and been clean through.
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I hope Marquis,Williams, and Mandeville never go on Strictly come Dancing, Craig would slaughter them for posture and expressions.
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I think Marquis was right to give May and Rowe a mouthful, the passes they had to give were very simple and should have been delivered inch perfect. I was surprised that Tommy Rowe got is wrong.
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I’m amazed how many body language experts support us.
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It's not very often you hear the words Alfie May and Messi mentioned in the same sentence, but watch channel 5's highlights back again and there it is. He must have been awful (ly good) Selby ;)
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Was it the chance where he took about 15 touches too many?? :chair:
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Alan, I have not seen it, what was he doing ,drinking out of a bottle?
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May did great to create that opportunity for himself
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Then he shat the bed in front of goal and it was gone.
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The keeper saved it didn't he? It came out to marquis who also missed.
May is only just coming back from injury and marquis is struggling to score
Both will turn the corner and will start scoring again
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Yes, but if he had the composure to hit it when he had the chance rather than take another touch he'd have scored. I have no doubt he'll score a few more before the season is out, but if he's going to carve out a decent professional career as a striker he needs to learn he can't always take that extra touch.
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I thought May did well to fashion the chance. Thevtyrn inside was Colin Cramb-sequel. Alas the keeper saved it, and Marquis’ rebound was blocked. Then we scored from the resulting corner.
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Alan,I have seen it now, yep just like the sitter Messie missed in the world cup final one on one in the last few minutes that cost Argentina the cup, and me £80.
I suppose the main difference was that Messie missing surprised me, Alfie didn't, not even with the second one he missed.
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Sitter
Give over
If he'd missed the follow up you'd be having kittens
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Being pedantic, he didn't miss - can't remember what he did with the rebound with the second (from memory, side netting?) but at least he got the initial efforts on target, which is a start I suppose. He needs to get that bit of composure though. Bit of confidence, he'll bang that sort of chance in with ease.
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One effort by May he did brilliantly to carve the opening in the box, but took one touch too many. Another, where the keeper saved it onto the post I believe, was a good effort too. May didn't have the best game ever but he got involved when he could and was a thorn in the defender's sides. None of our other forwards have his hustle, and only Marquis has the same tenacity. The goals will come I'm sure.
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Listening to on older gentleman whilst waiting for the attacking players to have shooting practice before the game the other day.
He said to the young man next to him, if you had to rate our strikers 1 to 5 who would you pick for finishing chances in the box, heading goals, dribbling in the box, sticking one in the top corner from 25yrds. Young man said Marquis n probably Copps. The older man stood up chuckled to himself n said, watch and learn young en, keep you eye on Mandeville. So I did. All I'm going to say is if your there on Friday, get in early and watch them doing their shooting practice. I think you'll be very surprised at who puts it in the net the most and just how woeful some others are.
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Made the same observation myself Zigger.
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Mandeville is the best finisher by far. You only have to watch games to see that. Coppinger is a poor finisher, he can’t even be put into the mix as best.
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Mandeville is no doubt technically our best up there..I think he needs time and the right partner. I would stick him in with John they'd be our best partnership.
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Aye, but Lewis Guy was good in training (allegedly). Means f**k all if he doesn't do it in a game situation.
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Selby,
Pulling down Alfie May as a way of bulling up John Marquis has a scraping the bottom of the barrel ring of desperation in support of the thread title.
How on earth anyone can say (and believe!) that May's 'misses' on Tuesday were worse than Marquis's 'misses' is honestly beyond me!
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Mandeville is no doubt technically our best up there..I think he needs time and the right partner. I would stick him in with John they'd be our best partnership.
behave yourself! or is it the lack of sleep addling your mind?😂 Wouldn't have thought you had time to post on here. Congratulations by the way
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Mandeville is the best finisher by far. You only have to watch games to see that. Coppinger is a poor finisher, he can’t even be put into the mix as best.
I have vid of a game in 2008 that would suggest otherwise Gaz.
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Selby, it's time to cease this finger pointing at young Alfie, just because your darling isn't getting the nod just yet. I've been checking all the top scorers in our division and not one of them has come from such a low level as AM and had such a rapid rise. The lad will come good, I firmly believe that, he needs time, as does your mate, Mande. Where Alfie needs to work on his finishing, Mande needs to work on his stamina/physicality and, just maybe, his attitude.
Let's not forget one major factor in all this - IF Kiwomya had been fit neither Mande or Alfie would have been in the first team anyway. The best that either of them could have done is get into the match day squad. However, things didn't quite work out like that. I think the days of the Club shelling out for a 'Billy Sharp' are long gone and perhaps never to be seen again, so we are where we are and we have to be patient with all our up-and-comers.
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Has anyone actually seen Kiwomya play?
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Has anyone actually seen Kiwomya play?
He played against us for Crewe didn't he?
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Has anyone actually seen Kiwomya play?
He played against us for Crewe didn't he?
I don’t remember him if he did.
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He likely did but either way he definitely played against us for Fleetwood in January of our relegation season.
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Both May and Mandeville have different attributes.
But both are the least experienced strikers at league level if compare them with the top 20 goal scorers in league 1 this season.
One has played all his football in non league.
While the other came through our Academy and loaned to non league sides. Development of both players is important.
But John Marquis is finding it hard this season as well.
If we want better then it will cost money.
Jack Marriott was signed from Luton for a undisclosed fee on a four year deal and being looked by Championship clubs. Let us not forget we could not compete with Peterborough when trying to sign Taylor so competing for a striker may be difficult.
There are numerous other examples of strikers in this league.
Are we expecting to much from Alfie and Liam.
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B.B. if you can point me to anywhere I have said that J.Ms misses are any better than Alfies on Saturday please point them out.
And Alan, I have stated previously I would like to see Alfie ram my perception of him down my throat, and score a lot of goals. I have stated before I admire his effort and tenacity, but goals are what this game is all about, and he misses chances, and also all our other strikers struggle to score when partnering him.
On the other hand we have got a young player who has got the best scoring record since Peter Kitchen, and has scored four goals in his last five first team appearances, which were not all full games. And I might add when played with Marquis,both have scored freely with Mandeville setting up more than one for Marquis.
He has been slaughtered on here for facial expressions, not trying, giving the ball away, when it was his first touch and the player it was meant for did not read the return ball down the line,but why let that get in the way of you slagging him off.
I repeat I want Alfie to do well,would I pick him NO for footballing reasons only, which I have put in posts and explain, and by the way I am not the old guy referred to in an earlier post, but I do agree with him.
B.B. they are my opinions of the difference between Marquis and Alfie, are you saying that people can have a dig at Marquis in this thread, but I cannot say anything about Alfie in comparison,just asking like.
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Selby, I can't point you to anywhere you have mentioned that JM misses are 'any better' than Alfie's on (Saturday?) because you haven't! In fact, you haven't mentioned Marquis's misses at all, only May's! That's my point.
You mention The stats regarding Marquis scoring more with Williams and Mandeville than May. Are you including last years stats when we were in a lower league?
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Mandeville is no doubt technically our best up there..I think he needs time and the right partner. I would stick him in with John they'd be our best partnership.
I'd stick him up front with Big Barry from the Hare & Tortoise pub team.
I think Barry would offer more.
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Yes, this season Marquis has either played up front on his own, with Beestin,Or Alfie, and a few games with Mandeville at the start of the season.
Late in the season last year he dried up scoring goals in the lower league as you say, Mandeville was out injured or not played soon after Christmas when our form and goalscoring dropped. Alfie partnered him in quite a few games, and he was dropped after the Wycombe game in which he had his best game, Bizar.
Marqius,s lack of goals in the latter half of the season coincided with the absence of Williams and Mandeville being injured for quite a few games, many of which Alfie played as you point out in a lower league. Alfie,as you point out in a lower League didnt
score many either.
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Selby, One significant stat during that period is that Marquis kept his place in the side more than any of the other strikers. The advantage of that is of massive proportions to him against the other strikers, who never knew when they were going to be replaced. The distraction of that meant they were under more pressure to score, giving them a massive disadvantage.
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Aye, but Lewis Guy was good in training (allegedly). Means f**k all if he doesn't do it in a game situation.
Lewis Guy scored goals for us and played for us at a higher level than anyone we have now (excluding Coppinger) I don't see Marquis or May or Mandeville playing in the Championship any time soon
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Aye, but Lewis Guy was good in training (allegedly). Means f**k all if he doesn't do it in a game situation.
Lewis Guy scored goals for us and played for us at a higher level than anyone we have now (excluding Coppinger) I don't see Marquis or May or Mandeville playing in the Championship any time soon
ps. Unless we get promoted this season that is because we wouldn't be able to buy a complete new team
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B.B. if you can point me to anywhere I have said that J.Ms misses are any better than Alfies on Saturday please point them out.
And Alan, I have stated previously I would like to see Alfie ram my perception of him down my throat, and score a lot of goals. I have stated before I admire his effort and tenacity, but goals are what this game is all about, and he misses chances, and also all our other strikers struggle to score when partnering him.
On the other hand we have got a young player who has got the best scoring record since Peter Kitchen, and has scored four goals in his last five first team appearances, which were not all full games. And I might add when played with Marquis,both have scored freely with Mandeville setting up more than one for Marquis.
He has been slaughtered on here for facial expressions, not trying, giving the ball away, when it was his first touch and the player it was meant for did not read the return ball down the line,but why let that get in the way of you slagging him off.
I repeat I want Alfie to do well,would I pick him NO for footballing reasons only, which I have put in posts and explain, and by the way I am not the old guy referred to in an earlier post, but I do agree with him.
B.B. they are my opinions of the difference between Marquis and Alfie, are you saying that people can have a dig at Marquis in this thread, but I cannot say anything about Alfie in comparison,just asking like.
Marquis and May, when starting together this season, have scored 0.42 goals per game between them. Marquis and Mandeville have returned 0.4 between them. There’s no evidence there, let alone anything compelling, to suggest that Mandeville and Marquis are a more free scoring pair.
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Selby, I'm not trying to make this personal, if that's what you're getting at. I am just getting a bit tired of your efforts to make Alfie look inferior, when clearly he has the edge over Mande .
I think you're being extremely unforgiving of Alfie when considering where he's come from and the standard at which he's been playing. Maybe if Mande had had a taste of life in the lower leagues, he'd perhaps be showing the right amount of hunger and desire each week to warrant being picked. I've watched Mande play in the Development games and, to be honest, I wouldn't be selecting him in my squad. I'm not having a 'go' at him, he simply needs a bit more time to decide whether he actually wants it enough and I'm not sure he does know right now!
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None of us likes to be proved wrong and most are loyal to our favourite players. That in itself becomes unfair when sometimes our bias distorts reality.
I don't think my opinions are distorted, and neither will Selby, but I suspect having favourites can be blinding. Only time will tell, but for me, Alfie May will become a legend, and the more we play him the quicker it will happen.
I could be wrong of course (for once).
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May struck me as much more instinctive when he first got in the team to how he is now. Think of the goal he scored against Luton and compare with his recent dithering in front of goal. Either he's lost confidence or he is overthinking. Somehow he needs to get back to the idea of hitting the ball as soon as he sees the target.
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At the beginning of the season it was quite clear Mandeville was not 100% fit. Something has “gone off” between DF and Mandy which I think has upset both of them.
I think DF can be very stubborn and has quite clearly decided not to play Mandy. Whether this is DF’s lack of man management or a bad attitude by Mandy I don’t know. ( OR BOTH )
What I do know that Mandy is technically one of the best players we have at present. He is also THE best finisher we have.
He has a football brain. He has the awareness around him that Alfie May doesn’t have. I am not knocking Alfie. He has jumped up 8 leagues from where he came from and still potentially could be a good player at this level. But work rate alone will not get him scoring goals.
He needs to get his head up and his decision making needs to improve.
We all love him because his enthusiasm shines through. He wants to do well we can all see that.
DF needs to sort out the situation with Mandy because if he doesn’t we are going to lose a very talented player. He will then go to another club and probably have a very successful career and we will all be thinking what might have been.
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Two things,
1) I posted on this particular thread because of the two in my opinion threads dishing Marquis for his display on Saturday, when both our strikers were as bad as each other in front of goal, but both worked equally hard for the good of the team.
2) While pointing out our lack of goals at the end of last season if Shearer and Sheringham had played in front of Alcock, Mason, and Grant in the last six games, they would have struggled to score.
I might add that Houghton,Williams,Mandeville, and Baudry were not fully fit for long periods at the end of last season who earlier in the season were big parts of our run of good results, and Baudry and Houghtons
return to the team has improved us in the last few games this season, not a coincidence.
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At the beginning of the season it was quite clear Mandeville was not 100% fit. Something has “gone off” between DF and Mandy which I think has upset both of them.
I think DF can be very stubborn and has quite clearly decided not to play Mandy. Whether this is DF’s lack of man management or a bad attitude by Mandy I don’t know. ( OR BOTH )
What I do know that Mandy is technically one of the best players we have at present. He is also THE best finisher we have.
He has a football brain. He has the awareness around him that Alfie May doesn’t have. I am not knocking Alfie. He has jumped up 8 leagues from where he came from and still potentially could be a good player at this level. But work rate alone will not get him scoring goals.
He needs to get his head up and his decision making needs to improve.
We all love him because his enthusiasm shines through. He wants to do well we can all see that.
DF needs to sort out the situation with Mandy because if he doesn’t we are going to lose a very talented player. He will then go to another club and probably have a very successful career and we will all be thinking what might have been.
Agree 100% re Mandeville. If he doesn't get back in the side this season he'll be away in the summer. And unlike some of the others we've let go recently, I really think he could come back to bite us on the bum.
Said a lot for me that with the game won on Tuesday that he didn't even get five minutes on the pitch. Something is wrong between him and Ferguson and it needs sorting.
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At the beginning of the season it was quite clear Mandeville was not 100% fit. Something has “gone off” between DF and Mandy which I think has upset both of them.
I think DF can be very stubborn and has quite clearly decided not to play Mandy. Whether this is DF’s lack of man management or a bad attitude by Mandy I don’t know. ( OR BOTH )
What I do know that Mandy is technically one of the best players we have at present. He is also THE best finisher we have.
He has a football brain. He has the awareness around him that Alfie May doesn’t have. I am not knocking Alfie. He has jumped up 8 leagues from where he came from and still potentially could be a good player at this level. But work rate alone will not get him scoring goals.
He needs to get his head up and his decision making needs to improve.
We all love him because his enthusiasm shines through. He wants to do well we can all see that.
DF needs to sort out the situation with Mandy because if he doesn’t we are going to lose a very talented player. He will then go to another club and probably have a very successful career and we will all be thinking what might have been.
Alfie hasn't jumped up 8 levels.
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At the beginning of the season it was quite clear Mandeville was not 100% fit. Something has “gone off” between DF and Mandy which I think has upset both of them.
I think DF can be very stubborn and has quite clearly decided not to play Mandy. Whether this is DF’s lack of man management or a bad attitude by Mandy I don’t know. ( OR BOTH )
What I do know that Mandy is technically one of the best players we have at present. He is also THE best finisher we have.
He has a football brain. He has the awareness around him that Alfie May doesn’t have. I am not knocking Alfie. He has jumped up 8 leagues from where he came from and still potentially could be a good player at this level. But work rate alone will not get him scoring goals.
He needs to get his head up and his decision making needs to improve.
We all love him because his enthusiasm shines through. He wants to do well we can all see that.
DF needs to sort out the situation with Mandy because if he doesn’t we are going to lose a very talented player. He will then go to another club and probably have a very successful career and we will all be thinking what might have been.
Alfie hasn't jumped up 8 levels.
No I think I got that wrong, it is 5 levels I think?
Still a heck of a jump though.
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Originally 4 but now 5, he started in the 8th tier.
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Originally 4 but now 5, he started in the 8th tier.
Yes 8th tier that’s where I got 8 levels from. :facepalm:
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No one is inflammable.
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If Williams had gone in summer then we would have brought in another striker then May and Mandeville would have both been bit part strikers.
Due to no interest in Williams and him wanting to stay we have what we’ve got. From midfield to strikers we’ve found scoring difficult which are goals for shows. But we are progressing, it may be slow, but to speed it up we have to bring in more quality both up front and midfield.
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Aye, but Lewis Guy was good in training (allegedly). Means f**k all if he doesn't do it in a game situation.
Lewis Guy scored goals for us and played for us at a higher level than anyone we have now (excluding Coppinger) I don't see Marquis or May or Mandeville playing in the Championship any time soon
I know everyone else ignores nonsense like this and I know I should too but are you really attempting to suggest Lewis guy is a better striker than marquis?
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Guy wasn't a striker, he was a forward.
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You mean he was always falling forward?
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Well yes, he did tend to fall over a lot, didn't he! At least nobody can say Marquis is guilty of that!!
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I don't know why Lewis Guy never achieved his potential. He achieved nowhere near what his pace when he joined us suggested he would.
But he did score our first goal in the 2nd tier for about 50 years, and the manager thought he was good enough to be a Championship player.
Where did it all go wrong? Attitude?
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MFD.
Aye. Guy did score in the Championship. Twice in 43 appearances.
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To be a top player requires more than just natural ability.
The right attitude, which consists of 1 Hunger, 2 Desire, 3 Hard work on the trading ground ( extra hrs after training )
4 Listening & learning from coaches/manager and the more experienced players. 5 Looking after yourself with Diet and lifestyle.
A lot of talented players have never fulfilled their potential because of not having done some, most or all the above.
I would say Lewis Guy was one of those.
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Didn’t Lewis score our first two goals in the Championship, against Derby and then Cardiff in the first home game.
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Lewis scored because the midfield he played with was good. The difference now is our strikers live off scraps from the midfield.
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Didn’t Lewis score our first two goals in the Championship, against Derby and then Cardiff in the first home game.
And?
What happened to the rest of the career
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Didn’t Lewis score our first two goals in the Championship, against Derby and then Cardiff in the first home game.
And?
What happened to the rest of the career
You really do live up to the first four letters of your screen name.
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Got absolute dog's abuse tonight. For no reason. What on earth are people watching? he does most of the donkey work, yet people expect him to be sprinting after a lost cause near the end of the game, it's as if they think he should be scoring 7 goals a game or something.
Yes I want him to score more than he has been doing but you can clearly see the role he's being used in he's going to be bringing others into play more than he is going to be able to get goalscoring opportunities and some of the abuse he gets is way over the top from our so called supporters. f**king clueless, some people.
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Didn’t Lewis score our first two goals in the Championship, against Derby and then Cardiff in the first home game.
And?
What happened to the rest of the career
You really do live up to the first four letters of your screen name.
😂
Your post was nonsensical
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Didn’t Lewis score our first two goals in the Championship, against Derby and then Cardiff in the first home game.
And?
What happened to the rest of the career
You really do live up to the first four letters of your screen name.
Yeah, if you say so, whatever.
😂
Your post was nonsensical
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Got absolute dog's abuse tonight. For no reason. What on earth are people watching? he does most of the donkey work, yet people expect him to be sprinting after a lost cause near the end of the game, it's as if they think he should be scoring 7 goals a game or something.
Yes I want him to score more than he has been doing but you can clearly see the role he's being used in he's going to be bringing others into play more than he is going to be able to get goalscoring opportunities and some of the abuse he gets is way over the top from our so called supporters. f**king clueless, some people.
Bang on - had a very good game for the Team tonight.
Just needs a bit of luck with most of the finishing attempts at goal. Get one and he will be red hot again
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At the beginning of the season it was quite clear Mandeville was not 100% fit. Something has “gone off” between DF and Mandy which I think has upset both of them.
I think DF can be very stubborn and has quite clearly decided not to play Mandy. Whether this is DF’s lack of man management or a bad attitude by Mandy I don’t know. ( OR BOTH )
What I do know that Mandy is technically one of the best players we have at present. He is also THE best finisher we have.
He has a football brain. He has the awareness around him that Alfie May doesn’t have. I am not knocking Alfie. He has jumped up 8 leagues from where he came from and still potentially could be a good player at this level. But work rate alone will not get him scoring goals.
He needs to get his head up and his decision making needs to improve.
We all love him because his enthusiasm shines through. He wants to do well we can all see that.
DF needs to sort out the situation with Mandy because if he doesn’t we are going to lose a very talented player. He will then go to another club and probably have a very successful career and we will all be thinking what might have been.
Agree 100% re Mandeville. If he doesn't get back in the side this season he'll be away in the summer. And unlike some of the others we've let go recently, I really think he could come back to bite us on the bum.
Said a lot for me that with the game won on Tuesday that he didn't even get five minutes on the pitch. Something is wrong between him and Ferguson and it needs sorting.
If Mandeville left the club tomorrow then I wouldn't be disappointed.
Technically, he might be this amazing footballer in some people's eyes, but in the long term I think Alfie May has more attributes that could make him successful. If he gets in the gym, then I think he's a player we might be able to sell for decent money eventually.
Mandeville doesn't inspire the same confidence in me.
Both players will improve with age but in five years time I think May will be playing in the EFL and Mandeville will be lucky if he's getting a game at the same level as Stockport County.
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Marquis was outstanding tonight in a good team performance.
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He would have been a contender for MOTM for me - as would most of the Team !
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When BJW puts the poll up I will be voting for JM mate.
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Marquis had an excellent game tonight, causes so many problems for opposition defenders and gets involved in the play all match long even when we barely have the ball over the half way line for 20 odd minutes.
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Anyone who slagged off Marquis tonight hasn’t the first idea what centre forward play is about. He was absolutely superb tonight.
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He had a great game never stopped he was so disappointed at the end I guess with not scoring but he did everything else and ran himself to the ground and got no protection from the ref
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You just have to wonder what these cocks in the south stand are actually watching when they hurl the shite they do at him.
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They can’t be real football fans let alone Rovers fans if they are going to give abuse to a player who gives 100% match after match after match. :headbang:
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Thanks for that comment, Billy. I thought he was awesome as well. Where did our midfield go in the second half?
Alfie lad, let that be a lesson tonight - if you don't buy a ticket.......etc. You don't need that extra touch, ask Copps about it.
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Brilliant again. Looks desperate for a goal but he's a team player and has been kicked all over the park tonight working his arse off for the side.
His General play with the ball has improved a lot in the past few games.
I just wish sometimes he'd get in the box instead of trying to drop in and get in the thick of the play, but that will come when he gets a goal or two under his belt I'm sure.
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Anyone who slagged off Marquis tonight hasn’t the first idea what centre forward play is about. He was absolutely superb tonight.
He was my MOM. Led the line superbly and stood up to persistent fouling by the two CBs. Also I was pleased to see he wasn't constantly having a go at team mates. I think someone has had a word with him about that.
Mason and Whiteman were also very good and Lawlor made a couple of crucial saves.
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Anne, the game time Mandeville had on the pitch tonight, and your judgment of it shows you had decided to wright that comment while driving to the game mate.
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JM was good last night and didn’t score. May was dreadful and scored. That’s Football.
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Gaz, as you know I have criticized Alfie a lot, last night he did his normal quota of running, but was well marked.
What he did to score was hit the ball on the turn first time,without taking a touch too many, it did not allow the defender time to block although he did deflect it.
But that's what I want to see off Alfie, be more of a danger in the box.
He did his job to me, he scored and that is what he is paid for.
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Thanks for that comment, Billy. I thought he was awesome as well. Where did our midfield go in the second half?
Alfie lad, let that be a lesson tonight - if you don't buy a ticket.......etc. You don't need that extra touch, ask Copps about it.
whitman played further back in the second half.love to see him supporting the lads up front and in an attacking role,has a great shot.marquis played his heart out.
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Gaz, as you know I have criticized Alfie a lot, last night he did his normal quota of running, but was well marked.
What he did to score was hit the ball on the turn first time,without taking a touch too many, it did not allow the defender time to block although he did deflect it.
But that's what I want to see off Alfie, be more of a danger in the box.
He did his job to me, he scored and that is what he is paid for.
He seems a great lad and there’s never a shortage of effort but I just don’t see what he adds to the team. The shot did get blocked, it was just fortunate it deflected in. Hope he goes on a scoring run now and proves me wrong.
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I really enjoyed watching Marquis play last night...ran his b*llocks off (as per usual), worked really hard to link up play, passed the ball better than he has done previously, and did very little of the moaning and ranting at team mates he did loads of in the last game. I'd have given him MotM for last night.
How he was still running with the energy he was in the last couple of minutes I have no idea.
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I have to second that last post . What a man with the energy he displayed last night. He ran and ran chased every ball and didn't give their defenders and goalie a minuets peace. He was constantly surrounded by 2 or 3 defenders and drew a lot of fouls. My MOM between him and Butler with Lawlor not far behind. His 3 or 4 class saves kept us in the match. Well done to all.
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I took a Barnsley supporter to the game last night. I asked him what he thought to Marquis, his reply was I wished we had him.
Says it all really.
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Marquis was excellent last night. Why would anyone think differently, even a Barnsley supporter? :s
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Yes, that was much more what I like to see from him and just got on with it. (Apart from the retaliation for which he got booked). He just needs the goals to back up his work rate.
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Didn’t Lewis score our first two goals in the Championship, against Derby and then Cardiff in the first home game.
And?
What happened to the rest of the career
You really do live up to the first four letters of your screen name.
Less of the personal insults.
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Yeah, the next time someone says I'm 'Bent' I'll demand they get a Yellow card!
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Yeah, the next time someone says I'm 'Bent' I'll demand they get a Yellow card!
Bull..... 😏
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Yes, that was much more what I like to see from him and just got on with it. (Apart from the retaliation for which he got booked). He just needs the goals to back up his work rate.
I think it would be fairer to say that the Rochdale players surrounding the ref got JM booked. As far as I could see the ref wasn't going to take any action till then
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Yes, that was much more what I like to see from him and just got on with it. (Apart from the retaliation for which he got booked). He just needs the goals to back up his work rate.
I think it would be fairer to say that the Rochdale players surrounding the ref got JM booked. As far as I could see the ref wasn't going to take any action till then
Agreed on that point raven.
Their player (29) was laid on the grass slapping the ground as though he was in massive pain but as soon as the ref carded JM he got up and jogged back to halfway.
The ref was well and truly conned.