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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: StocksArmy on January 01, 2018, 06:33:36 pm
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Had to feel for him when his own fans cheer when he gets substituted. I agree his time in a DRFC shirt should be done but, nobody representing our club needs to hear that.
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He isn’t the first to suffer is he.
ATS, Main, Evina et al have had dogs abuse from some of our supporters.
Pathetic really.
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He was the best thing since sliced bread last year what the hell has happened?
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Terrible performance from these clowns. Should never boo your own player never mind a young lad that's come through our academy
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Pre Injury he was on fire last yr, he was top scorer in pre season, and recently had a good goal to game ratio.. but his demeanor really doesn't say the right things. Sadly he just looks lazy and unfit, which is bizarre. .
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What happened with him and DF last year and the train incident probably has got to him
Agree we shouldn’t be booing him
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What happened with him and DF last year and the train incident probably has got to him
Agree we shouldn’t be booing him
Train incident?
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What was the train incident?
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I think he was Photographed in the luggage rake of a train carriage and put on Facebook .
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No. Fergi dropped him from the team and Mandeville just took it instead of asking why he was dropped. That what I heard happened.
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I think he was Photographed in the luggage rake of a train carriage and put on Facebook .
I suppose it depends on the circumstances.
However, some of the stuff that people put on Facebook drops them in such trouble.
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I think he was Photographed in the luggage rake of a train carriage and put on Facebook .
That was some random kid who happened to look like Mandeville. Not Mandeville himself.
Ha
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No. Fergi dropped him from the team and Mandeville just took it instead of asking why he was dropped. That what I heard happened.
I thought it was the opposite, fergie dropped him and he kicked off.. fergie did say his reaction was out of order.. which I don't think he would have said if he just accepted it. Surely it's part of football, sometimes you may be on the bench, if every player kicked off there would be no players left.
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No I am fairly sure DF said it was because Mandeville took it too easy.
Today he was a bit rusty, and slow. But to his credit he did show some good touches and wasn't afraid to shoot. If anything, he needs more game time to get back to where he was last season.
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Crazy that. He could be our best player. A young kid and he gets that - crackers. Why are football fans generally lacking brain cells?
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Crazy that. He could be our best player. A young kid and he gets that - crackers. Why are football fans generally lacking brain cells?
When Houghton was subbed, most of the fans were chanting for him to be signed permanently, apart from one near me who said Houghton can "f**k off"..
Unbelievable..
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Crazy that. He could be our best player. A young kid and he gets that - crackers. Why are football fans generally lacking brain cells?
When Houghton was subbed, most of the fans were chanting for him to be signed permanently, apart from one near me who said Houghton can "f**k off"..
Unbelievable..
Much to our benefit, we have found a way of playing where we get the best out of both Houghton and Whiteman. I was shocked that their number 8 got MOTM as i thought our 2 completely bossed the game. As for the one near you... well, he must have made his way to Peterborough straight from the pub. Would still be nice to find a no nonsence midfielder to add to what we have in January though.
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Crazy that. He could be our best player. A young kid and he gets that - crackers. Why are football fans generally lacking brain cells?
Yeah, he could be our best player if we entered a team in the Doncaster & District Sunday League Sixth Division (and even then I wouldn't bank on it) as I think Big Dave from the Fox & Hound's second team would be a better signing. :unsure:
I wasn't there today and I agree that booing players is absolutely ridiculous, but if he's going to become a proper footballer and not one of these players who has a season or two out the academy and then gets released and ends up at Goole Town or wherever, he needs to take it on the chin.
However, his performances are generally poor and it's happening more and more frequently... so it's coming to a point where he's either good enough or he's not good enough.
Technically good? Yes.
Technically good enough for mens football? No.
I wouldn't be bothered if we released him tomorrow.
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He's never going to be a workhorse line-leader sort of player like Billy Sharp was, that much is clear. That's fine though. At his best he reminds me of a Berbatov style player, very languid but capable of magic at any moment. Far too often he just seems laboured and not fit though. Whether it's his attitude, fitness or both I'm not sure.
Technically I think he's the best player at the club bar Copps. However unlike Copps it doesn't matter because he doesn't offer much in the way of footballing intelligence or bottle.
I'd keep him for another year as it's possible he just needs to work on his fitness and develop his football brain a bit more so he can actually get into positions where his technical skills could prove useful. At the moment he just seems to hover in front of the midfield and let the game pass him by.
Having said all that booing/sarcastic cheering isn't on at all. No excuse for that.
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This time last year he was tipped to be our next £1 million player - now he's tipped for the Doncaster Sunday League! It's a funny old game eh Liam.
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This time last year he was tipped to be our next £1 million player - now he's tipped for the Doncaster Sunday League! It's a funny old game eh Liam.
Im in the club that thinks he'll come good
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This time last year he was tipped to be our next £1 million player - now he's tipped for the Doncaster Sunday League! It's a funny old game eh Liam.
I've always thought he's over-rated and until he's done well over 100-200 games, then he's still also got to establish himself.
The only player we've had in recent years that has come through and has actually gone on to have a decent-ish career to date is James Husband, and that's also debatable as to whether he's actually proved himself at a higher level.
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No. Fergi dropped him from the team and Mandeville just took it instead of asking why he was dropped. That what I heard happened.
I thought it was the opposite, fergie dropped him and he kicked off.. fergie did say his reaction was out of order.. which I don't think he would have said if he just accepted it. Surely it's part of football, sometimes you may be on the bench, if every player kicked off there would be no players left.
Fergie told him he was dropped and 5 minutes later he was laughing and joking about like he wasn’t bothered at all.
Our youth team players have a very bad record of making it in the professional game, could it be more of a mentality thing rather than ability? Are we producing kids without the win at all costs, desire and determination needed to make it in league football??
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Crazy that. He could be our best player. A young kid and he gets that - crackers. Why are football fans generally lacking brain cells?
Yeah, he could be our best player if we entered a team in the Doncaster & District Sunday League Sixth Division (and even then I wouldn't bank on it) as I think Big Dave from the Fox & Hound's second team would be a better signing. :unsure:
I wasn't there today and I agree that booing players is absolutely ridiculous, but if he's going to become a proper footballer and not one of these players who has a season or two out the academy and then gets released and ends up at Goole Town or wherever, he needs to take it on the chin.
However, his performances are generally poor and it's happening more and more frequently... so it's coming to a point where he's either good enough or he's not good enough.
Technically good? Yes.
Technically good enough for mens football? No.
I wouldn't be bothered if we released him tomorrow.
I am sorry Anne but yes you are entitled to your opinion of course but your assessment of Mandeville is so far off the mark it’s untrue.
As you say you were not there today so you cannot comment on his performance.
Well let me tel you this as I was there today. Mandeville played well, not brilliant but very well.
Two missed placed passes in total. His awareness as to what is around him and vision is very good for a 20 year old.
I really don’t know what you and some of the “so called supporters” are watching but it is certainly not the same as some of us who can see a very gifted lad who is trying to make a name for himself at Rovers.
The abuse he is receiving from a section of our “”support” is nothing short of disgraceful.
Those people that booed him when he was substituted should be ashamed of themselves.
What do you expect from him when he hasn’t had a consistent run in the team this season.
I don’t think he has started in 2 consecutive matches yet.
If we lose him to another club your comments may well make you look very stupid indeed.
Be careful what you wish for.
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He's technically one of our best players, our best ability striker. Unfortunately he's not showing it at the moment. Look at Adelakun at Scunthorpe, he had ability and showed it in spurts but Scunthorpe fans and nearly the club had enough. Alexander had a word and he's a new player this year and they expect him to move for at least a million.
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I see a Brian Dean moment coming up, I wonder how many of the all knowing crowd will say, I always knew he would be a good player, and we let him go for nothing, a couple of years later?
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Cassie, go and watch him in the Development games and you'll see nothing that would make you think 'why isn't he being picked?'.
I think the lad has an attitude problem and, unless he sorts himself out, I can't see him progressing. Maybe a move could spur him on to do better. He just doesn't have the heart or desire right now. End of.
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Isn't Mandeville the lad who said in an interview that he never expected to be a pro footballer because he didn't think he was very good and was more expecting to go into something requiring academic achievements instead?
If that's right, then maybe there's your answer as to why he doesn't seem to have the right attitude. It's not that he can't be arsed but that he can't quite get his head around the fact that he is good enough.
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Things don't change when it comes to supporters and the way they express their opinions. I can remember talking to my father many years ago about Harry Gregg and asking his opinion of one of our top players of all time. He recalled a situation were Harry was being criticised by supporters behind his goal during the game and Harry being the bloke he was with a fiery temper threaten to sort them out with his fists. Harry was probably the best keeper in the country at the time.
The only way poor Mandy can respond is to take his chance and score goals alas I fear he hasn't got the mental strength of Harry to cope with it all.
Mandy is "one of our own" and he deserves our full support and then we will get the best out of him.
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Alan were you there? can you tell me who missed the cross 6yds out again about 4 minutes from the end ?
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May was involved in the equaliser. Mandeville offered very little. Even when May doesn't score he contributes to the team's performance whereas Mandeville does next to f**k all.
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Oh, was it May again?
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Goalscorers.....
Strikers......
Forwards.....
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Short memories.
Last December he was going to be our saviour and people were scared he’d go to Sheffield United in the transfer window.
Million pound man, now he gets booed off, both a bit daft.
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He's never going to be a workhorse line-leader sort of player like Billy Sharp was, that much is clear. That's fine though. At his best he reminds me of a Berbatov style player, very languid but capable of magic at any moment. Far too often he just seems laboured and not fit though. Whether it's his attitude, fitness or both I'm not sure.
Technically I think he's the best player at the club bar Copps. However unlike Copps it doesn't matter because he doesn't offer much in the way of footballing intelligence or bottle.
I'd keep him for another year as it's possible he just needs to work on his fitness and develop his football brain a bit more so he can actually get into positions where his technical skills could prove useful. At the moment he just seems to hover in front of the midfield and let the game pass him by.
Having said all that booing/sarcastic cheering isn't on at all. No excuse for that.
“He doesn’t offer much in the way of footballing intelligence or bottle.
Sorry MachoMadness but what a load of boll??ks.
The two things that he has in abundance is footballing intelligence and bottle.
He must have bottle just to go on the pitch at all with some of the abuse he is receiving.
Get a grip he has hardly played this season, he played well today in the hole
( Copps position ) but he needs a long run in the team and you will then see that he is the best prospect this club has produced in many years.
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Thing is last season he came on and took his chance by creating two and scoring then he had the confidence to go on a brilliant run. So far this year he's not done anything to show he deserves that run in the team.
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Selby, here we go again! I never intimated I was there and I only mentioned the Development games.
Am I right in thinking we got our goal when Alfie's shot was blocked and it fell to Whiteman to score?
Meanwhile, your mate was (apparently) cheered for being subbed! Now, let's get one thing straight, absolutely stupid from our supporters, but why the sarcastic cheering?
Look, I would love for Mande to come good, but he seems to be making a rod for his own back at the moment. I simply couldn't care less whether it's Alfie or Mande who gets the shirt, but your constant sniping at Alfie is becoming tiresome.
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Oh, was it May again?
And how many did golden boy Mandeville score today?
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Mandeville didn't play badly at all.
He has a languid style of play which makes him look lazy next to Marquis and May who run their rocks off, sometimes to little effect.
Get behind the kid.
I still think he could become something special.
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I find this completely bewildering.
We are blessed that our season is back on track and have a uncovered, potentially, a gem in May and have a stuttering home grown talent in Mandy.
Get a grip.
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May was involved in the equaliser. Mandeville offered very little. Even when May doesn't score he contributes to the team's performance whereas Mandeville does next to f**k all.
Is that including the 4 goals he has so far this season or ignoring them?
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Any negative reaction towards Mandeville when he was subbed was fairly muted I thought. He got a decent round of applause on the whole so I doubt he heard any of the idiots over that. A largely forgettable performance from him but I think the mindless reaction must’ve been restricted to an absolute minority.
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It's the rarest of talent that doesn't need development. In this modern footballing world where everything is either black or white and nothing in between people seem to forget that. That development can be physical, attributional, positional, technical, mental, psychological, philosophical - what ever, it will depend on the player.
We have, in Mandy and Beestin, two players, who with the right development can become very good players. Whether we have the coaching potential or overall patience as fans and as a club, only time will tell. We're seeing a lot of this 'class of 92' on the telly recently and one of the things you appreciate listening to them talking is how they all needed development. Even a player as talented as Scholes. But think of the others, the likes of Butt, the Nevilles - they were never exceptionally talented but they had the right development (mainly, it would seem, mental) to make them into a dominant side.
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May was involved in the equaliser. Mandeville offered very little. Even when May doesn't score he contributes to the team's performance whereas Mandeville does next to f**k all.
Is that including the 4 goals he has so far this season or ignoring them?
If you read what I put, I said when he doesn't score. When Mandeville isn't scoring goals he offers absolutely nothing to the team.
But yes, I wouldn't count either of the Football League Trophy ones as they're glorified reserve games. That and they don't count towards official statistics, do they?
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Oh why oh why do we always have to have a whipping boy.
It’s unbelievable. We have just taken 10 points from 4 games and put ourselves into a healthy league position and yet one of our own players that has come through the youth system is being subjected to so much unwarranted abuse.
I really despair at times. Get behind the lad, he is only 20years old and some of you are trying to destroy him.
I hope he doesn’t read this forum. If he does he will be wanting away.
He may well make some of you look very stupid if he goes elsewhere.
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Crazy that. He could be our best player. A young kid and he gets that - crackers. Why are football fans generally lacking brain cells?
Yeah, he could be our best player if we entered a team in the Doncaster & District Sunday League Sixth Division (and even then I wouldn't bank on it) as I think Big Dave from the Fox & Hound's second team would be a better signing. :unsure:
I wasn't there today and I agree that booing players is absolutely ridiculous, but if he's going to become a proper footballer and not one of these players who has a season or two out the academy and then gets released and ends up at Goole Town or wherever, he needs to take it on the chin.
However, his performances are generally poor and it's happening more and more frequently... so it's coming to a point where he's either good enough or he's not good enough.
Technically good? Yes.
Technically good enough for mens football? No.
I wouldn't be bothered if we released him tomorrow.
I am sorry Anne but yes you are entitled to your opinion of course but your assessment of Mandeville is so far off the mark it’s untrue.
As you say you were not there today so you cannot comment on his performance.
Well let me tel you this as I was there today. Mandeville played well, not brilliant but very well.
Two missed placed passes in total. His awareness as to what is around him and vision is very good for a 20 year old.
I really don’t know what you and some of the “so called supporters” are watching but it is certainly not the same as some of us who can see a very gifted lad who is trying to make a name for himself at Rovers.
The abuse he is receiving from a section of our “”support” is nothing short of disgraceful.
Those people that booed him when he was substituted should be ashamed of themselves.
What do you expect from him when he hasn’t had a consistent run in the team this season.
I don’t think he has started in 2 consecutive matches yet.
If we lose him to another club your comments may well make you look very stupid indeed.
Be careful what you wish for.
I base my opinion of Mandeville on having watched him at youth, reserve and first team level.
Technically, I don't think you'll find anyone who'll disagree that he's got some talent. However, when it comes to producing the goods - at youth level he was fine, at reserve level he's okay, but at first team level he's gone missing more often than not and it backs up a nagging belief in my mind that his good form last season was nothing more than a purple patch.
You say he hasn't had a run of games this season... fair point... but is there an underlying reason why he's not had a run of games this season? You have to ask yourself that because when he's got back in the side and had chances to cement a place, he hasn't exactly grasped them opportunities either.
If Mandeville repeats his form of 2017 in 2018, then he's going to be released. That's for certain and I don't think he's capable enough in mens football.
IMO, he'll be lucky to end up in the Conference Premier/Conference North if he was released now. The only way he'd get back in the league is if he scored a load of goals for a Halifax type team and they fluked promotion or he got a move to League Two, this being a number of years down the line.
If I were DF, I'd be more inclined to put Will Longbottom ahead of Mandeville in the pecking order. He's a different kind of frontman if you haven't seen him before but offers more bravery and would probably do more to seize any opportunity that comes his way.
I also agree that booing is totally counter productive btw.
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Alan,I was there, I am telling you what happened, the header that he missed was shocking, and should be on the highlights for you to see.
Rowes reaction and better shooting position is on the highlights, the easier chance that could have been for Marquis in the first half is also not in the highlights, but Marquis went berserk with him.
This is a full thread headlined Mandeville, who did not play badly today, but got undeserved abuse from idiots when substituted, and this thread started out abusing.
I am telling you facts of incidents that happened in the game, not dishing a player that parts of the crowd including yourself and Anne seem not to like.
I will have my say, nobody admires effort and tenacity by Alfie more than I do. But you want to dish the lad and give an opinion,and have a go at someone who disagrees. If you don't like what I have to say don't read my posts. Our equaliser today is visual evidence of the fact he has to have a touch, and we got lucky with the rebound to Whiteman.
And wilts rover, if it had been Mandeville would it have been a bad miss instead of being involved in the build up. It is a great run to me, and again a poorish finish that could have cost us a point, all there on the short highlights for you to see, and deny if you want to
Alan, don't tell me to stop sniping when you, and others think it is open house to do it to Mandeville.
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Too many people want instant success now, instant development. Mandeville is 20 years old, had a few injuries and can't get a regular run in the team. He was terrific this time last year and since then everyone expects him to be scoring every week and looking like a world beater. No patience at all in football fans anymore.
Our current three-man strike force is a better crop than at several points in the last 10-15 years, unquestionably.
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Agreed.
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Selby, I was there and one thing definitely more shocking than May's miss is your unhealthy narrow-minded unfairness towards him.
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I know Selby is in agreement with me about Mandeville but it is re assuring to know there are others on here who feel the same.
Anne for you to say he isn’t good enough to play in “ men’s football “ well sorry, unbelievable.
Your opinion of course, but it is strange isn’t it that he was the one kept on for a pro contract when so many of his contempories were released.
Ask Paul Stancliffe if he thinks he will make it in the men’s game. I think he will know more than you or me about the development of youth players. I am pretty sure I know what he will tell you.
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He's never going to be a workhorse line-leader sort of player like Billy Sharp was, that much is clear. That's fine though. At his best he reminds me of a Berbatov style player, very languid but capable of magic at any moment. Far too often he just seems laboured and not fit though. Whether it's his attitude, fitness or both I'm not sure.
Technically I think he's the best player at the club bar Copps. However unlike Copps it doesn't matter because he doesn't offer much in the way of footballing intelligence or bottle.
I'd keep him for another year as it's possible he just needs to work on his fitness and develop his football brain a bit more so he can actually get into positions where his technical skills could prove useful. At the moment he just seems to hover in front of the midfield and let the game pass him by.
Having said all that booing/sarcastic cheering isn't on at all. No excuse for that.
“He doesn’t offer much in the way of footballing intelligence or bottle.
Sorry MachoMadness but what a load of boll??ks.
The two things that he has in abundance is footballing intelligence and bottle.
He must have bottle just to go on the pitch at all with some of the abuse he is receiving.
Get a grip he has hardly played this season, he played well today in the hole
( Copps position ) but he needs a long run in the team and you will then see that he is the best prospect this club has produced in many years.
lol calm down. I agree he is a great prospect, but I'd like to see him become more than just a prospect. He isn't blessed with pace or physical strength so he needs to be smart with his energy and his positioning, which he tends not to be, hence the game passes him by at times. I sense if he does make it as a pro he will be a Heffernan type player, one who does many brilliant things the fans don't notice but will always pop up with a moment of class in a game and usually get a goal. It'd be nice if these moments of class were getting more common and not less common.
Granted he has had an injury but pretending there aren't issues with his game isn't going to help him become a better player. Having said that again there is a massive difference between that and booing a 20 year old off the pitch, which is not on.
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For the record, I think Mandeville will make it. At the moment he's hardly setting the world alight but I think he'll come good. I just don't understand the "yeah but May isn't scoring many either" argument. How on earth is that a defence of Mandeville?
He wasn't booed off by the way, it was ironic cheering - which is also unacceptable, of course, but not quite as bad as being booed IMO.
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Selby, I was there and one thing definitely more shocking than May's miss is your unhealthy narrow-minded unfairness towards him.
We all love Alfie May because of his undoubted enthusiasm.
The fact is he is very much work in progress. His awareness on the pitch and his decision making at the present time is way behind that of Mandeville.
His shots to goals ratio is also way behind that of Mandeville. These are facts not fiction.
I love Alfie May and I hope he improves where he needs to improve over the next few months, then we will have a good player on our hands.
Mandeville doesn’t run at 100 miles an hour, as that is not the type of player he is.
What he does do is use his football brain, awareness of what’s around him, vision, and instinctive scoring ability.
At the present time he is streets ahead of Alfie May. DF obviously prefers to play May as a striker at the moment and he will have his reasons for that. It would seem DF & Mandy have had ‘words’ so to speak some weeks ago, and Alfie is ahead in the pecking order at the moment.
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Facts according to who?
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I know Selby is in agreement with me about Mandeville but it is re assuring to know there are others on here who feel the same.
Anne for you to say he isn’t good enough to play in “ men’s football “ well sorry, unbelievable.
Your opinion of course, but it is strange isn’t it that he was the one kept on for a pro contract when so many of his contempories were released.
Ask Paul Stancliffe if he thinks he will make it in the men’s game. I think he will know more than you or me about the development of youth players. I am pretty sure I know what he will tell you.
Harry Middleton was kept on. Billy Whitehouse was kept on. Matty Davies was kept on. Lewis Ferguson was kept on.
Where are they now?
Earning a pro contract is one thing. Becoming an established seasoned professional footballer at a respectable level is an entirely different thing.
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I know Selby is in agreement with me about Mandeville but it is re assuring to know there are others on here who feel the same.
Anne for you to say he isn’t good enough to play in “ men’s football “ well sorry, unbelievable.
Your opinion of course, but it is strange isn’t it that he was the one kept on for a pro contract when so many of his contempories were released.
Ask Paul Stancliffe if he thinks he will make it in the men’s game. I think he will know more than you or me about the development of youth players. I am pretty sure I know what he will tell you.
Harry Middleton was kept on. Billy Whitehouse was kept on. Matty Davies was kept on. Lewis Ferguson was kept on.
Where are they now?
Earning a pro contract is one thing. Becoming an established seasoned professional footballer at a respectable level is an entirely different thing.
You have just answered your own question. They have gone now though haven’t they.
Mandeville is still here.
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When and where have I sniped at Mande?
I've certainly offered up a theory as to why his progression seems to have stalled this season. Some people might call it constructive criticism. And I certainly don't think it's 'open season'. I do object to undeserved criticism of a young player who has come on in leaps and bounds since Fergie brought him in.
I think, nay hope, that Mande comes good, but for me, and it's only an opinion that I am entitled to, he has gone backwards this season and I don't go to all matches, but I do attend some Dev games and that is what I base my opinions. For as much as he has natural talent (no-one is arguing that fact) he does seem to have a problem with his desire.
Neither you or me are the manager and we have to have faith in DF getting his judgement right where player selection is concerned.
I'll just offer up one more theory on why Alfie just might be getting the nod - our style of play this season. By that I mean our high pressing game, where it is incumbent on both frontmen to press the opposition defenders when they are in possession. This is why we watch JM and AM running around like headless chickens every week. This is not Mandeville's game in the slightest. If he did that, he'd be done for before half time! The rules don't allow us to bring on Mande just to take a chance that may have been created by defenders mistakes when being pressed by said 2 frontmen.
I rest my case, mi lud.
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I know Selby is in agreement with me about Mandeville but it is re assuring to know there are others on here who feel the same.
Anne for you to say he isn’t good enough to play in “ men’s football “ well sorry, unbelievable.
Your opinion of course, but it is strange isn’t it that he was the one kept on for a pro contract when so many of his contempories were released.
Ask Paul Stancliffe if he thinks he will make it in the men’s game. I think he will know more than you or me about the development of youth players. I am pretty sure I know what he will tell you.
Harry Middleton was kept on. Billy Whitehouse was kept on. Matty Davies was kept on. Lewis Ferguson was kept on.
Where are they now?
Earning a pro contract is one thing. Becoming an established seasoned professional footballer at a respectable level is an entirely different thing.
You have just answered your own question. They have gone now though haven’t they.
Mandeville is still here.
It still doesn't mean anything. How many seasons was Middleton here for, and where exactly is he now? Same with Whitehouse!
If Mandeville wants another contract, he needs to get off his backside, step up to the plate and grasp one of these opportunities when he's in the team and show enough potential to convince the manager to convince him to give him another contract.
Or alternatively, he can continue the way he's going on and make it an easy decision for the manager...
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I still don't understand why talking up one striker means having to pull down the other? It's quite clear to me that May is already a good player, hence his significant contribution to a League One side this season. He and Mandeville are different types of players with different strengths. All this direct comparing is getting us (as a fanbase) nowhere.
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Mandeville is technically good. I went to Rochdale in the plastic cup and I thought he was quality. Let’s give the lad a break It’s going to be hard enough for anyway when Kiwomya starts.
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Crazy that. He could be our best player. A young kid and he gets that - crackers. Why are football fans generally lacking brain cells?
I couldn't agree more - please if you are one of those knobheads who thinks it's funny to boo one of our young players then please give it a rest . Many of us spend good money helping to bring these young players through for you to destroy what confidence they have .
Give it a rest and support our youngsters - they need your backing.
Booing your own players individually or collectively should be a red line that good SUPPORTERS don't cross - the clue is in the name.
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Oh why oh why do we always have to have a whipping boy.
It’s unbelievable. We have just taken 10 points from 4 games and put ourselves into a healthy league position and yet one of our own players that has come through the youth system is being subjected to so much unwarranted abuse.
I really despair at times. Get behind the lad, he is only 20years old and some of you are trying to destroy him.
I hope he doesn’t read this forum. If he does he will be wanting away.
He may well make some of you look very stupid if he goes elsewhere.
SPOT ON !
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There was someone also sat near me, towards the end of the game (from 75 mins on?) was constantly having a go at Marquis having a bad first touch.
Marquis played every minute of all 4 games over Christmas. Perhaps he was a bit fatigued, by the 75th minute of the 4th game, considering he runs his b*llocks off every time??
I heard someone else saying it was our worst away performance for years..
Jesus wept!!
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Crazy that. He could be our best player. A young kid and he gets that - crackers. Why are football fans generally lacking brain cells?
I couldn't agree more - please if you are one of those knobheads who thinks it's funny to boo one of our young players then please give it a rest . Many of us spend good money helping to bring these young players through for you to destroy what confidence they have .
Give it a rest and support our youngsters - they need your backing.
Booing your own players individually or collectively should be a red line that good SUPPORTERS don't cross - the clue is in the name.
Whilst I agree that booing is totally counter productive, if someone decides to do it then it doesn't make them any more or less a supporter, or you any superior to them.
Personally, I never understand why some people go to a pub and get absolutely rat arsed beforehand then watch a game but if it's what they want to do, then who is anyone to tell them otherwise?
If Mandeville doesn't like getting booed then he needs to up his performances and the chances are the boo boys will go looking for someone else.
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Let's be clear, the reaction was of ironic cheering rather than booing.
I still thought that was out of order. Mandeville hadn't been that bad! Slow, yes, but with some decent touches and a willingness to shoot.
I have seen a lot worse.
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I remember Coppinger getting abuse by some of the Rovers faithful back in the day, also John Oster got loads of abuse, even though for me he was the best player on the pitch by a mile a lot of the time.
Marquis and May run their socks off to be fair, their energy is one of their main attributes, Mandeville for me is more creative and has a bit more vision, I don't think a lot of Rovers fans appreciate this part of the game, I was sat on the West stand Saturday and we were keeping possession really well, as the ball went sideways and backwards, you could feel the frustration in the stands as we weren't getting the ball forward quick enough for their liking.
I can't comment on his performance at Peterborough, as I had a lazy day nursing a hangover, hats off to all the hardy souls who paid £26 and spent their New Year's Day supporting the Rovers, they are better supporters than I am! I did see him in the Checkatrade and he was very impressive. We all know he has got talent, it is up to himself and the coaching staff to try and get him firing.
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I remember Coppinger getting abuse by some of the Rovers faithful back in the day, also John Oster got loads of abuse, even though for me he was the best player on the pitch by a mile a lot of the time.
Marquis and May run their socks off to be fair, their energy is one of their main attributes, Mandeville for me is more creative and has a bit more vision, I don't think a lot of Rovers fans appreciate this part of the game, I was sat on the West stand Saturday and we were keeping possession really well, as the ball went sideways and backwards, you could feel the frustration in the stands as we weren't getting the ball forward quick enough for their liking.
I can't comment on his performance at Peterborough, as I had a lazy day nursing a hangover, hats off to all the hardy souls who paid £26 and spent their New Year's Day supporting the Rovers, they are better supporters than I am! I did see him in the Checkatrade and he was very impressive. We all know he has got talent, it is up to himself and the coaching staff to try and get him firing.
I suspect the reason John Oster got abuse was because he'd pretty much always look for a pass, even at times when shooting was the only option.
Great player for us though!
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Perhaps a little food for thought?
Goals by 21st birthday:
John Marquis: 6 (in 47 appearances)
James Coppinger: 3 (in 12 appearances)
Liam Mandeville: 15 (in 62 appearances) & he's six weeks from his 21st.
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Perhaps a little food for thought?
Goals by 21st birthday:
John Marquis: 6 (in 47 appearances)
James Coppinger: 3 (in 12 appearances)
Liam Mandeville: 15 (in 62 appearances) & he's six weeks from his 21st.
Take away cup games and from the start of 2017 onwards, which also excludes his purple patch, you're left with the following...
Coppinger: 6 in 41
Mandeville: 1 in 19
Marquis: 21 in 48
Even if you take away Marquis' purple patch last season, he's still managed 6 in 25 league appearances this season.
I've left May's stats off as I'm trying to be kind.
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I think the way we are playing at the minute the strikers do a lot of unselfish work, the chances more often than not fall to the midfielders as a result of the strikers running the defence ragged and closing down so well. We've had a few penalties, again which the strikers aren't taking.
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Definitely a strange case Mandeville. I remember earlier in the season he came on as sub at home, playing at the tip of the diamond, and looked an absolute world beater.
It’s not easy for players if they don’t get a run of games though, which he hasn’t really had recently.
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Definitely a strange case Mandeville. I remember earlier in the season he came on as sub at home, playing at the tip of the diamond, and looked an absolute world beater.
It’s not easy for players if they don’t get a run of games though, which he hasn’t really had recently.
He's not had a run of games because on the various occasions he'd got in the side, he's never done enough to warrant being picked for a consecutive games.
If he can't grasp an opportunity, he doesn't deserve to be starting and he's had plenty of opportunities.
The same goes for any other player in the squad who finds themselves in the same position.
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Perhaps a little food for thought?
Goals by 21st birthday:
John Marquis: 6 (in 47 appearances)
James Coppinger: 3 (in 12 appearances)
Liam Mandeville: 15 (in 62 appearances) & he's six weeks from his 21st.
Take away cup games and from the start of 2017 onwards, which also excludes his purple patch, you're left with the following...
Coppinger: 6 in 41
Mandeville: 1 in 19
Marquis: 21 in 48
Even if you take away Marquis' purple patch last season, he's still managed 6 in 25 league appearances this season.
I've left May's stats off as I'm trying to be kind.
In terms of where Mandeville is at this stage of his career in comparison to some more established forwards in the side, he's ahead of the curve...no?
He's played more games and scored more goals for a start.
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That stats comparison highlights brilliantly my exact point on the previous page. DM, you've provided stats showing how well Mandeville has done for his young age, and Anne has countered by pointing out the more immediate statistics. It's all about right now for some people, they don't look beyond the immediate term and write players off accordingly (not saying that's just you though Anne, far from it).
As for John Oster, he was superb in his first season and then pretty poor thereafter. I was not a fan of him due to the fact his performances dropped off dramatically but his attitude also went with it. I remember he got his number called to be subbed in a loss at Hull when he was about to take a corner, so he picked the ball up and booted it into the crowd in annoyance. But the truth is he'd been our worst player that day and it wasn't the first time.
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Oster. Stock. Coppinger. Woods.
Very good midfield that when they were all fit and playing well.
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Mandy needs to get the gloves off and show us how good he is, he definitley has the potential , but that is not always enough.
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Perhaps a little food for thought?
Goals by 21st birthday:
John Marquis: 6 (in 47 appearances)
James Coppinger: 3 (in 12 appearances)
Liam Mandeville: 15 (in 62 appearances) & he's six weeks from his 21st.
Take away cup games and from the start of 2017 onwards, which also excludes his purple patch, you're left with the following...
Coppinger: 6 in 41
Mandeville: 1 in 19
Marquis: 21 in 48
Even if you take away Marquis' purple patch last season, he's still managed 6 in 25 league appearances this season.
I've left May's stats off as I'm trying to be kind.
In terms of where Mandeville is at this stage of his career in comparison to some more established forwards in the side, he's ahead of the curve...no?
He's played more games and scored more goals for a start.
Stats can be used to prove most points of view.
Incidentally, Mandeville turns 21 soon (as someone has said elsewhere) which means he's been out of the youth team for three years now. At what point should he stop being viewed as a young lad and be considered as an out and out professional?
IMO, DF isn't there to be a babysitter for him. This is mens football so it's down to him to prove his value to DF or any other manager we might have in the future whilst he's under contract.