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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on January 13, 2018, 05:10:29 pm
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Puts some graft in, but the lad needs a rest, we need a big centre forward on loan to take the pressure off him
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He works hard. And he works some good positions. Of that there is no doubt but his decision making, his finishing and his final ball is beyond bad at the moment.
He needs someone breathing down his neck putting his place under pressure. Unfortunately we have no alternatives. We desperate for someone.
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There is no one to step in , his work rate is great and until he gets a partner who can fill the gaps he creates it will be Marquis’s hard work that goes unfulfilled. Yet ... he had a great opportunity inthe first half 1on 1 and should have made them pay .
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I thought we looked good with Marquis and Beestin upfront. Marquis worked tirelessly and was unfortunate not to score, shame because he deserves a goal.
We struggled after May (who I do think has potential) came on. We missed the touch and composure that Beestin had shown to hold the ball up and May seemed a bit over-keen and rash (including the daft foul for the equalising goal).
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Def puts a shift in every game.desperately needs somone up front who he can play off.can only hope this happens.may does at the moment not seem to be that person.
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I think Marquis needs a break too and said as much at the game. His work, movement and link up away from the penalty box remains absolutely excellent but he isn't getting into goal scoring positions anywhere near enough. I'd be tempted to try Mandeville on his own up front for a couple of games and lean on the midfield for support.
I'm sure Selby will be along later but yes, May was dreadful today and Fergie was right in his post-match presser to say "I'm not sure what the lad was doing today when he came on" because he got everything wrong.
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I think Marquis needs a break too and said as much at the game. His work, movement and link up away from the penalty box remains absolutely excellent but he isn't getting into goal scoring positions anywhere near enough. I'd be tempted to try Mandeville on his own up front for a couple of games and lean on the midfield for support.
I'm sure Selby will be along later but yes, May was dreadful today and Fergie was right in his post-match presser to say "I'm not sure what the lad was doing today when he came on" because he got everything wrong.
I don’t think Mandeville has the presence or energy to play up there on his own. If we took Marquis out of that team we would miss him terribly.
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Really frustrating today but maybe he is just knackered.
The miss I though he could have chipped the keeper, he was quite a bit off his line. Should have been an easy lob for a professional footballer!
The one second half where Rowe was overlapping and he just had to slip him in (a simple pass) was terrible too.
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I think Marquis needs a break too and said as much at the game. His work, movement and link up away from the penalty box remains absolutely excellent but he isn't getting into goal scoring positions anywhere near enough. I'd be tempted to try Mandeville on his own up front for a couple of games and lean on the midfield for support.
I'm sure Selby will be along later but yes, May was dreadful today and Fergie was right in his post-match presser to say "I'm not sure what the lad was doing today when he came on" because he got everything wrong.
I don’t think Mandeville has the presence or energy to play up there on his own. If we took Marquis out of that team we would miss him terribly.
You're probably right, I just think he does need a bit of a break to help him get going again in terms of scoring goals. Unfortunately our only alternative is to play Mandeville and/or May.
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On the one on one miss, it is so easy from the stands to say chip the keeper but anyone who has ever played up front will know that it isn’t as easy as it may seem to be.
JM is seriously lacking confidence in front of goal right now and to me, never looked like he was going to score.
He needs a goal or two badly and they will come but his overall play warrants his place in the team.
Beestin was very good today but picked up an injury and that is why he went off.
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A word for Jordan Houghton who once again showed why it’s so important that we secure him. Out best midfield player by a mile.
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He was very good today houghton, him and coppinger were the only composure being shown today
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He was very good today houghton, him and coppinger were the only composure being shown today
.......and still some people say Coppinger isn’t influential on the pitch anymore.
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He was very good today houghton, him and coppinger were the only composure being shown today
I thought Beestin showed composure and maturity beyond his years. I hadn’t realised he had picked up an injury which explains his substitution, but we missed him when he went off.
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Ferguson said in his post-match interview that he wasn't sure what May was playing at. I feel like that was generous.
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May is just not good enough, I say it every week. Too many romantics in here though. As for Marquis, he didn’t look tired when he was running clean through on goal. Just lacked quality.
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Confidence that one on one,
He scored a harder one at Blackburn,
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Good save as well?
May was Terrible, Marquis did well. I still want to see Mande get 5 games or so though.
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May is just not good enough, I say it every week. Too many romantics in here though. As for Marquis, he didn’t look tired when he was running clean through on goal. Just lacked quality.
I'm in agreement Gaz, he's lucky to be playing at this level, it's only downward for him now, 100% tryer, but thats not enough
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Good save as well?
May was Terrible, Marquis did well. I still want to see Mande get 5 games or so though.
Good point that, if Lawlor had saved from one of their players it would have been a good save rather than a bad miss.
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They were on about one on ones on talk sport the other day, and they had someone on, a former striker I can't remember who.
And he said the stats show that the goalie is the overwhelming favourite in one on ones
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They were on about one on ones on talk sport the other day, and they had someone on, a former striker I can't remember who.
And he said the stats show that the goalie is the overwhelming favourite in one on ones
Scoring a goal is the hardest thing to do in football so I would agree that keepers are favourites in one on one situations.
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Remembered now
It was tony cascarino
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Marquis will be fine. You can understand when short on confidence he tried to keep it simple and the keeper did his job very well. I think Marquis has done much better linking up recently (apart from the pass to Rowe)
It's a Copps didn't pick him out with a cross to the far post when he was unmarked. Blair also had a mind fart with one of his crosses. Poor execution at critical times was not just down to Marquis.
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Rovers Alias, I don't have to mention May, lots are coming to the same conclusion as me 20 to 30 games later.
One question to ask about the Marquis one on one is, how can someone carry the ball as far as he did, and beat a man, and non of our other players got up there with him to give him an alternative.
Beestin tried a few flicks ( mostly cut out over or under hit ) at least he tries to bring other people into play, but until his goal, which he took very well, was hardly pulling any trees up, Rodney, and Rowe being the main danger with Marquis.
It was noticeable that as soon as Alfie came on,Rowe and Marquis also became ineffective, it happens, just seems that you and a few others are in denial.
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I think Marquis needs a break too and said as much at the game. His work, movement and link up away from the penalty box remains absolutely excellent but he isn't getting into goal scoring positions anywhere near enough. I'd be tempted to try Mandeville on his own up front for a couple of games and lean on the midfield for support.
I'm sure Selby will be along later but yes, May was dreadful today and Fergie was right in his post-match presser to say "I'm not sure what the lad was doing today when he came on" because he got everything wrong.
I don’t think Mandeville has the presence or energy to play up there on his own. If we took Marquis out of that team we would miss him terribly.
There is no way you can play Mandy up front on his own. Needs a target man or hold up player, however you want to call him along side him.
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We need another experienced front man to partner Marquis.
It stands out for all to see.
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Kiwomya! That’s all ⚽️😀
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Rovers Alias, I don't have to mention May, lots are coming to the same conclusion as me 20 to 30 games later.
One question to ask about the Marquis one on one is, how can someone carry the ball as far as he did, and beat a man, and non of our other players got up there with him to give him an alternative.
Beestin tried a few flicks ( mostly cut out over or under hit ) at least he tries to bring other people into play, but until his goal, which he took very well, was hardly pulling any trees up, Rodney, and Rowe being the main danger with Marquis.
It was noticeable that as soon as Alfie came on,Rowe and Marquis also became ineffective, it happens, just seems that you and a few others are in denial.
I'm not in denial at all but I knew you'd come along at some stage to talk about May's display so I thought I'd pre-empt it :P
May was appalling today, everyone can see that, but it wasn't typical of his usual level even if we differ in opinion on what that level may be.
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As I thought you would reply, poor,and affects other players, I have not seen any comments on not getting on the end of the perfect cross from Blair yet either, sat back on his heels in front of goal again .
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It was actually marquis who should've reacted to that cross
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We need another experienced front man to partner Marquis.
It stands out for all to see.
This.
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As I thought you would reply, poor,and affects other players, I have not seen any comments on not getting on the end of the perfect cross from Blair yet either, sat back on his heels in front of goal again .
I honestly and genuinely think you have a lot of good views on Rovers and enjoy reading what you have to say before and after games Selby, but when it comes to May I do believe you take it too far. Today he was absolutely terrible and deserves to be told so, as we know he will have been after what Fergie said in his interview.
BUT, you seem to be relishing it. Marquis was just as culpable for not getting on the end of that cross you've just mentioned, and to suggest that May is the prime reason why our performance dipped is rubbish because that isn't true. Whiteman did nothing and the change in formation didn't help anyone, especially Rowe and Marquis. I knew coming home today that you'd find a way to still go over the top on May tonight and you've proven it. Your first post on him was basically saying that "Now people are waking up" to what you were saying, all because he had one bad sub appearance for 25 minutes. He doesn't play that badly every week, not even close, and that is something else Fergie said after the game too.
Happy to discuss this and anything else with you Selby, I enjoy it as you're a good poster and a good fan but unless May starts playing as he did today every week, I will keep defending him because I see what good things he can do and what strong contribution he can and does have for us.
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It's because his love-child didn't get on.......again. Just ask yourself, Selby, just why isn't Mande getting picked? I've heard one or two things today that could explain it, but I'm not going to go on about it on here.
May is doing his best, which was nowhere near good enough today, and we have very little to pick from in that department, as you well know. Going on his recent past, he should be nowhere near our first team this season, but what have we on the bench? As bad as Alfie was, Fergie could have dragged him off and put your darling on, but he didn't. Why is that? Just have a ponder about it before you come on shooting from the hip.
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The lad would be better off away from us if he wants to build a career. He obviously does not figure in Fergies plans, when you score four in five first team matches,score goals in the development games, and watch others score one in eight, its time to move on.
Add to that the crowd against you,and giving him stick its time to go, Wright as well,they are this seasons fall guys.
I will still watch the Rovers but follow his career with interest, It would have been interesting to see if he had had a run of eight games if he would score more than one goal at least,just to compare.
Alan, Alfies best has not been good enough for weeks, and I cannot see it getting any better. I have told you before I will agree to disagree.
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Wright? How is he a fall guy? Most acknowledge he has been very good this season and much improved, but Fergie has taken him out of the firing line for now and that is fine because Butler and Baudry are both playing well and finding a rhythm together. Wright is young and developing and only started the season in the team due to Baudry's injury. He isn't a "fall guy" at all.
Mandeville started four of our first six games. He scored no goals and pretty much contributed nothing of any use. When Fergie put faith in him again from the start he scored against Portsmouth, was anonymous against Walsall and then showed such a bad attitude to being dropped to the bench at Bury that he wasn't even given a squad place. We returned to winning ways in that game and in the four matches since that we have won, Mandeville has played a grand total of 8 minutes.
There are plenty of clear, concrete reasons why Fergie is not turning to Mandeville and most people can see that now.
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The lad would be better off away from us if he wants to build a career. He obviously does not figure in Fergies plans, when you score four in five first team matches,score goals in the development games, and watch others score one in eight, its time to move on.
Add to that the crowd against you,and giving him stick its time to go, Wright as well,they are this seasons fall guys.
I will still watch the Rovers but follow his career with interest, It would have been interesting to see if he had had a run of eight games if he would score more than one goal at least,just to compare.
Alan, Alfies best has not been good enough for weeks, and I cannot see it getting any better. I have told you before I will agree to disagree.
Wright? How is he a fall guy? Most acknowledge he has been very good this season and much improved, but Fergie has taken him out of the firing line for now and that is fine because Butler and Baudry are both playing well and finding a rhythm together. Wright is young and developing and only started the season in the team due to Baudry's injury. He isn't a "fall guy" at all.
Mandeville started four of our first six games. He scored no goals and pretty much contributed nothing of any use. When Fergie put faith in him again from the start he scored against Portsmouth, was anonymous against Walsall and then showed such a bad attitude to being dropped to the bench at Bury that he wasn't even given a squad place. We returned to winning ways in that game and in the four matches since that we have won, Mandeville has played a grand total of 8 minutes.
There are plenty of clear, concrete reasons why Fergie is not turning to Mandeville and most people can see that now.
I too am beginning to think there has been a fall out between Ferguson and Mandeville. Given the scoring rate of our two main 'strikers' (yes, inverted commas for a reason) it beggars belief that Mandy is not getting a decent run in the side.
Our defence has been far better than anyone could have dreamed about this season, and it should be plain to everyone that if someone was banging in goals regularly we could be higher in the league than we are. Unfortunately, we don't have a striker who can put the goals in on a regular basis at this level.
May and Marquis have both been given an extended run in the side without scoring enough goals. Time to give Mandeville the same opportunity. It may not work, but short of spending lots of money, or trying to get Billy's Sharp on loan, we don't have any other options
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I realise it is all hearsay but a friend of mine who spoke to a club employee was told that Ferguson and Mandeville had fallen out.
Because of the lack of striking options Mandeville will probably stay here and be a bit part player for the rest of this season. If Ferguson is still here next season, I suspect Mandeville won't be. He'll either be sold or loaned out, like Mitchell Lund.
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I realise it is all hearsay but a friend of mine who spoke to a club employee was told that Ferguson and Mandeville had fallen out.
Because of the lack of striking options Mandeville will probably stay here and be a bit part player for the rest of this season. If Ferguson is still here next season, I suspect Mandeville won't be. He'll either be sold or loaned out, like Mitchell Lund.
And if that is true, it's pathetic.
However, no one player is bigger than the club, and if Mandeville has crosse the line in his attitude/comments or whatever, he has to go
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I realise it is all hearsay but a friend of mine who spoke to a club employee was told that Ferguson and Mandeville had fallen out.
Because of the lack of striking options Mandeville will probably stay here and be a bit part player for the rest of this season. If Ferguson is still here next season, I suspect Mandeville won't be. He'll either be sold or loaned out, like Mitchell Lund.
And if that is true, it's pathetic.
However, no one player is bigger than the club, and if Mandeville has crosse the line in his attitude/comments or whatever, he has to go
I get the feeling there is a bit of fault on both sides. Mandeville is probably a player who needs managing in a different way to, say, Marquis. But it wouldn't be the first time that we've given a player a long contract and wanted to bin him 12 months later. Something which would be of concern to me if I was running the club.
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Just been linked with a bid from Brentford !
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Just been linked with a bid from Brentford !
Who has? Marquis or Mandeville?
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Marquis someone on Twitter said 900 k I would let him go for half than that
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The lad would be better off away from us if he wants to build a career. He obviously does not figure in Fergies plans, when you score four in five first team matches,score goals in the development games, and watch others score one in eight, its time to move on.
Add to that the crowd against you,and giving him stick its time to go, Wright as well,they are this seasons fall guys.
I will still watch the Rovers but follow his career with interest, It would have been interesting to see if he had had a run of eight games if he would score more than one goal at least,just to compare.
Alan, Alfies best has not been good enough for weeks, and I cannot see it getting any better. I have told you before I will agree to disagree.
Wright? How is he a fall guy? Most acknowledge he has been very good this season and much improved, but Fergie has taken him out of the firing line for now and that is fine because Butler and Baudry are both playing well and finding a rhythm together. Wright is young and developing and only started the season in the team due to Baudry's injury. He isn't a "fall guy" at all.
Mandeville started four of our first six games. He scored no goals and pretty much contributed nothing of any use. When Fergie put faith in him again from the start he scored against Portsmouth, was anonymous against Walsall and then showed such a bad attitude to being dropped to the bench at Bury that he wasn't even given a squad place. We returned to winning ways in that game and in the four matches since that we have won, Mandeville has played a grand total of 8 minutes.
There are plenty of clear, concrete reasons why Fergie is not turning to Mandeville and most people can see that now.
I too am beginning to think there has been a fall out between Ferguson and Mandeville. Given the scoring rate of our two main 'strikers' (yes, inverted commas for a reason) it beggars belief that Mandy is not getting a decent run in the side.
Our defence has been far better than anyone could have dreamed about this season, and it should be plain to everyone that if someone was banging in goals regularly we could be higher in the league than we are. Unfortunately, we don't have a striker who can put the goals in on a regular basis at this level.
May and Marquis have both been given an extended run in the side without scoring enough goals. Time to give Mandeville the same opportunity. It may not work, but short of spending lots of money, or trying to get Billy's Sharp on loan, we don't have any other options
Correct mrfrostsdad.
There has to be a fall out otherwise Mandy would be starting no question.
Look at his goal scoring record in the Checkatrade and Development games. He can’t to do much more and he still is not getting a start in a team with misfiring strikers. What other reason can there be?
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Marquis some one said 900 k I would let him go for half than that
I'd take it with a pinch of salt. He was being linked with other clubs in the summer and that came to nothing. In terms of goalscoring at least his stock will have fallen since then.
In fact I would have thought a bid for Mandeville (though nowhere near £900k!) would be more likely.
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If anyone offered 900k for Marquis we should snap their hands off for it and then see if we can get Billy off the blunts for half that much.
COYR
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Just been linked with a bid from Brentford !
Who has? Marquis or Mandeville?
marquis, its on fb, so must be true. 900k!!
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Maybe he needs a change. I wonder if it has anything to do with mays poor performance. Maybe he’s miffed not getting in the team in front of a non scoring striker
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If anyone offered 900k for Marquis we should snap their hands off for it and then see if we can get Billy off the blunts for half that much.
COYR
Why is everyone obsessed with Sharp? Don't want to be blowing six figure fees on 32 year olds with their best years behind them.
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Maybe he needs a change. I wonder if it has anything to do with mays poor performance. Maybe he’s miffed not getting in the team in front of a non scoring striker
He's not seeking a move but (supposedly) someone is interested in him. Personally I find it highly unlikely.
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Maybe he needs a change. I wonder if it has anything to do with mays poor performance. Maybe he’s miffed not getting in the team in front of a non scoring striker
Which one?
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I would not be surprised at Brentford going after Marquis, whatever the offer we only want to let anyone go if 1) the manager is in agreement that the player can go ( he is after all just at the start of a new contract).
2) The player himself wants to go ( it is almost impossible to keep a disaffected player these days.
3) And most importantly the fee meets our valuation and certain clauses are inserted to protect us, if he is sold in future for value added, such as a sell on clause.
Personally I value him very highly, a great team player, and with better players around him would score more goals.
One thing he should take into consideration is his style of play, he gives and takes quite a Physical battering and will do well to have a long playing career. Although I hope he does, and with us, £900k should be the minimum we would be willing to accept in my opinion.
Mandeville I would not be surprised if someone like Evans at Mansfield took a punt, and as I have said before my Scunthorpe friend is still insisting they are following him closely, perhaps the development game will have some significance, another good game against them might see things develop, they have a record of striking discoveries.
If those too did leave this month the cupboard would be bare.
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Regarding Mandeville, when I first saw him he reminded me of a young Duggie with his languid style, that's where the similarity ended, what Duggie lacked in skill he more than made up for in effort & endeavour. For a young lad I have never seen a player look so disinterested as Mandeville, he should be putting far more effort in to earn a run in the team, as it is he isn't, so no way does he warrant a run. I suggest he finds a video & watches Duggie at his age, having a bit of skill is not enough at this level & won't wash with the fans, coming on with your gloves on & jogging about a bit, Duggie he is not, Riggoglioso maybe. In truth, we need competition for Marquis, & better back up than Mandeville & May, in the summer maybe? just my opinion of course.
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I would have thought if either Marquis or Mandeville is sold that we would want to bring in a,replacement.
However, I shall be very surprised if Marquis isn't a Rovers player on 1st February.
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If Mandy had Alfie's work rate or if Alfie had Mandy's skill we would have a good player! Unlikely to happen, but out of the two I would go with Mandy to support JM, not much between Alfie and Mandy for me, reflecting upon their performances this season, but I'd rather take a chance on the player with more skill than effort at this stage in their careers. The only thing Marquis needs is a goal and then he will kick on!
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R.B. I hope you are right.
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It would be a massive blow to lose Marquis and I’d be gutted if we sold him. Those that undervalue or under-appreciate him would soon notice how much we’d be affected if he wasn’t in the team. He’s a nightmare for defenders and works tirelessly taking a battering in every game. He so deserves a goal at the moment.
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It would be a massive blow to lose Marquis and I’d be gutted if we sold him. Those that undervalue or under-appreciate him would soon notice how much we’d be affected if he wasn’t in the team. He’s a nightmare for defenders and works tirelessly taking a battering in every game. He so deserves a goal at the moment.
He's a lot like Chris Brown in this respect. He used to get called shite (or he did by the people I sat near at the time anyway) and people claimed he did f**k all, much like Marquis at the moment, but he was invaluable. When fit, of course.
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Even if Marquis is having a bad game he’s still a bit of a presence up top. He will still be leaving a bit on the defenders.
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Gaz, I go to every game, and he has not had a bad game when he has had the service from midfield.
People keep on about our start to the season, the build up play was so slow it was pathetic, The strikers didn't have a chance in the league games, where every team sat back and we did not get behind them, in the cup games the games were more open.
His work rate is up their with anyone we have ever had, a good player, one no defender would like to try and mark.
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Gaz, I go to every game, and he has not had a bad game when he has had the service from midfield.
People keep on about our start to the season, the build up play was so slow it was pathetic, The strikers didn't have a chance in the league games, where every team sat back and we did not get behind them, in the cup games the games were more open.
His work rate is up their with anyone we have ever had, a good player, one no defender would like to try and mark.
I go to nearly every game and he has had some shockers earlier this season. I do think he’s been ok recently though, just need to start converting chances. You can’t keep missing chances however good your work rate is.
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If Mandy had Alfie's work rate or if Alfie had Mandy's skill we would have a good player! Unlikely to happen, but out of the two I would go with Mandy to support JM, not much between Alfie and Mandy for me, reflecting upon their performances this season, but I'd rather take a chance on the player with more skill than effort at this stage in their careers. The only thing Marquis needs is a goal and then he will kick on!
With respect WarwickRover, at Mandevilles age & development, he should be busting a gut in effort as well has using his undoubted skill, that's what turns an average player into a good one.
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Tend to agree but with Mandeville sometimes you just can't tell. He looks knackered just by putting his boots on.
That's the enigma, remember Exeter last season when he broke away from the halfway line and squared for Marquis, defenders couldn't catch him!
Yet, this season hasn't rally shown much of the same or had the game time.
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I think beestin will start to get the nod for a few weeks not just cos he scored but his all round play and running , we will have some player on are hands in two years with this kid
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Baz, I said weeks ago that Mandeville carries the ball quicker than most,he did it in the Cheka trade this season against against Rochdale and Scunthorpe.
Compare that with Alfie chasing a ball carrier and having to lunge from the back of him and give away the free kick.
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It's difficult at every level of football for strikers to perform when knowing there's someone on the bench ready to jump in their place after one under par performance, or a barren patch of scoring. They are put under more pressure than players in any other outfield position because their performances can be monitored on the actual fact of how many goals they score, as opposed to merely someone's opinion of their performances.
It is imperative therefore that a striker gets a fair crack of the whip, so to speak. No player can perform properly while looking over their shoulder in anticipation of being replaced.
That is the position where May, Beestin and Mandeville are at present, and they all seem to react differently towards it. May appears to try too hard, thus making occasional hurried wrong decisions. Manderville appears opposite to May, appearing to be too laid back, lazy and uninterested. Beesin at present seems the best option, although his stamina looks to let him down.
Marquis, although not scoring, has a massive advantage in the knowledge his position is almost permanent.
Whoever is picked to play alongside Marquis needs a decent run in the side.
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I was a bit surprised that Beestin got the nod last Saturday but I thought he did enough to keep the shirt for a few games.
You have to accept he probably won't go the distance at this stage of his career. I would say when he does come off Mandeville is the best option to replace him.
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The only way Beestin will improve his stamina and physicality is to keep playing first team games. He'll come on a lot quicker that way.
Trouble is, we could with someone to 'hit the ground running' so to speak. The other problem is that Marquis is all over the place chasing down and tracking back and that should be the midfielders job, which they are falling down on. If we have Marquis purely working the centre channel, who's going to do the donkey work out wide?
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The big difference this week with Beestin was he took his goal, no hesitating he put his foot through it first time, that's lesson learnt well done.
He has a lot to learn, but shows a lot of awareness of other players around him in tight positions, and plays with his head up and that's a gift, and he will only get better with experience.
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Beestin took his goal well like May did in the league game against Rochdale. Had either of them failed to score in the one-on-one involving Marquis on Saturday some fans would have wanted them shot*.
*Figure of speech.
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It would not have arose B.B., non of them two are fast enough to carry the ball as far as Marquis did to create the chance of a one on one.
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Aye, OK.
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It's difficult at every level of football for strikers to perform when knowing there's someone on the bench ready to jump in their place after one under par performance, or a barren patch of scoring. They are put under more pressure than players in any other outfield position because their performances can be monitored on the actual fact of how many goals they score, as opposed to merely someone's opinion of their performances.
It is imperative therefore that a striker gets a fair crack of the whip, so to speak. No player can perform properly while looking over their shoulder in anticipation of being replaced.
That is the position where May, Beestin and Mandeville are at present, and they all seem to react differently towards it. May appears to try too hard, thus making occasional hurried wrong decisions. Manderville appears opposite to May, appearing to be too laid back, lazy and uninterested. Beesin at present seems the best option, although his stamina looks to let him down.
Marquis, although not scoring, has a massive advantage in the knowledge his position is almost permanent.
Whoever is picked to play alongside Marquis needs a decent run in the side.
Agreed totally BB. I think though we can say Alfie May has had that long run now can’t we?
Personally I don’t think Beestin’s natural position is striker. So I would give Mandeville 5/6 matches now from the start and let’s see if he is up to it. Ability wise no question. Let’s see if he wants it.
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It would not have arose B.B., non of them two are fast enough to carry the ball as far as Marquis did to create the chance of a one on one.
Aye Marquis is known for his searing pace isn't he.
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It's difficult at every level of football for strikers to perform when knowing there's someone on the bench ready to jump in their place after one under par performance, or a barren patch of scoring. They are put under more pressure than players in any other outfield position because their performances can be monitored on the actual fact of how many goals they score, as opposed to merely someone's opinion of their performances.
It is imperative therefore that a striker gets a fair crack of the whip, so to speak. No player can perform properly while looking over their shoulder in anticipation of being replaced.
That is the position where May, Beestin and Mandeville are at present, and they all seem to react differently towards it. May appears to try too hard, thus making occasional hurried wrong decisions. Manderville appears opposite to May, appearing to be too laid back, lazy and uninterested. Beesin at present seems the best option, although his stamina looks to let him down.
Marquis, although not scoring, has a massive advantage in the knowledge his position is almost permanent.
Whoever is picked to play alongside Marquis needs a decent run in the side.
Agreed totally BB. I think though we can say Alfie May has had that long run now can’t we?
Personally I don’t think Beestin’s natural position is striker. So I would give Mandeville 5/6 matches now from the start and let’s see if he is up to it. Ability wise no question. Let’s see if he wants it.
Aye, if you think May's 'run' of 2 full appearances in the last 10 games is a long run!
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It would not have arose B.B., non of them two are fast enough to carry the ball as far as Marquis did to create the chance of a one on one.
Aye Marquis is known for his searing pace isn't he.
He's quicker than Alfie over anything more than 5 yards.
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Marquis crafted that chance entirely through his own doggedness and hard graft. And it’s that that makes him well worth his regular starting slot. He’s always on the go, providing options and pressing defenders. As a fan I think it’s brilliant to see someone willing to take such a battering every game for our team. I’m desperate for him to get the goal(s) that his contribution deserves.
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Jonathon I cannot agree with you more, that was a 60yd run he made, and nobody else got up with him in the box to give him any other option but to take the goalkeeper on.
And some people think he is slow.
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No ones criticising Marquis. The only criticism is the way praise is given to him to the detriment of other players.
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B.B. I am not intimating May in my observation of none of our players getting up with him on that run. I am fully aware he was not on the field at that time, if that's what you are intimating.
It does not alter the fact that Marquis carried the ball quite some distance, and none of the other players got up there with him to make the job easier.
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Selby. Well done for leaving May alone, for a change, although like you said earlier May wouldn't have been quick enough to get up with him anyway! Neither would have Beestin!! It seems now that all the other players are being criticised as well.
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B.B. of the players we had on the field Blair would have been the one to get up with him and Rowe, we had just defended a corner, but someone should have got up there, whether Blair or Rowe were in a position to do so I do not know but it is a fault we have, that we do not get men into the box.
As for my statement on May and Beestin, I stand by it, they are not blessed with pace, as Alfie proved when a player carrying the ball was running away from him when he brought him down from behind.
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........And May's back in the firing line!
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I thought it might be what you wanted, you keep throwing the bait.
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If you really want to do what I want you should stop showing your obsessional love for certain Rovers players at the expense of your resentment of others.
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It's likely Kiwomya can keep up! Same situation, Marquis gets to the edge of the area, and squares it for Kiwomya to roll it into the empty net. Much like Paynter to Copps at Brentford!
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It looks to me then that what you really want is some form of censorship, so that everyone can agree with you on a forum where everyone should have the right to an opinion.
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Why am I not surprised you take that view! It's not like you've got a great track record for getting things right in the past.
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I give an opinion on what I think about a game, a player, the club because that is what a football forum is for, to discuss the game.
The last thing I expect is for everyone to agree with me (God forbid), but I am entitled to my opinion. I find that you don't so much comment on the game,but try and belittle the poster you don't agree with on a personal level, just like your last post. if that makes you feel superior keep doing it.
Now back to the football, would you agree with me that Alfie Mays substitute appearance on Saturday was one of the worst you have ever seen? in fact I thought it was game changing for all the wrong reasons, at least Curtis Main had decent neat haircuts.
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Selby, by the time I've updated the PvO, everything I wanted to say has probably already been said by someone else. However, I do comment if I feel strongly enough about something, especially if I think there's been one of total injustice about one of our players. You fit this category with your obsessive dislike of Alfie May.
Now back to the football. Alfie May's sub performance on Saturday was poor. Whiteman's wasn't much (if any) better, but if I must continue going down the unusual road of condemning my own team's players, I'd say Mandeville's pitiful sub appearance v Oldham was one of the worst I've ever seen.
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Baz, I said weeks ago that Mandeville carries the ball quicker than most,he did it in the Cheka trade this season against against Rochdale and Scunthorpe.
Compare that with Alfie chasing a ball carrier and having to lunge from the back of him and give away the free kick.
Mmmmmm checka trade! think that says it all no further comment needed, except that yes I do go to these games
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Raven,you have got a funny view on football if you dont think players run as fast in the Ckekatrade trophy as they do in the first division. After all both Scunthorpe and Rochdale fielded strong sides in those two games. Much older and more experienced than we did.