Viking Supporters Co-operative

Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Alickismyhero on January 27, 2018, 05:24:31 pm

Title: Penalties
Post by: Alickismyhero on January 27, 2018, 05:24:31 pm
According to Willo, doing the commentary, we should have had 2 of the 3 shouts for penalties today.


 What are the views of the supporters who went today.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: GazLaz on January 27, 2018, 05:27:09 pm
One shout, bit of a push on Blair. Would have been a bit soft I think.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Alickismyhero on January 27, 2018, 05:28:48 pm
Willo made the comment that Fergie might get his gun out after the game.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: i_ateallthepies on January 27, 2018, 05:43:25 pm
None of them looked good shouts to me.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Alickismyhero on January 27, 2018, 05:53:43 pm
From the lack of replies Willo has got it wrong. One of the shouts was for a hand ball but none of our supporters even mention it. Lets see what Fergie says.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Jonathan on January 27, 2018, 05:58:03 pm
Rowe dived, Mandeville was just crowded out. Blair was pushed but it was innocuous at best. Their player did handle the ball, but it was a bit unfortunate. Certainly haven’t come away thinking we were the victims of a big injustice. Just some wretched luck with central defensive injuries. I think we’d have won that game with a central defence.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: DearneValleyRover on January 27, 2018, 05:58:46 pm
I don’t think any were pens
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: roversdude on January 27, 2018, 06:04:28 pm
What about first half on marquis
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Milepostuk on January 27, 2018, 06:06:06 pm
Someone had their feet taken and the push was more than just a push. Both good shouts. In the premier league you would get them every time. Do we play to different rules?
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 27, 2018, 06:06:49 pm
Same here. No pens for me. Mandeville tried to buy one. The push was more of a manoeuvring away from the ball. Rob Jones used to do it all the time.

As said, once Wright went off (fractured ribs!) it was a case of hoping we'd score more than them. With the chances created and missed, that could easily have happened.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Cantley Rover on January 27, 2018, 06:08:25 pm
Someone had their feet taken and the push was more than just a push. Both good shouts. In the premier league you would get them every time. Do we play to different rules?

Yes, surely you must have noticed?
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Campsall rover on January 27, 2018, 06:10:01 pm
Rowe dived, Mandeville was just crowded out. Blair was pushed but it was innocuous at best. Their player did handle the ball, but it was a bit unfortunate. Certainly haven’t come away thinking we were the victims of a big injustice. Just some wretched luck with central defensive injuries. I think we’d have won that game with a central defence.
Agree entirely, non of the penalty shouts looked penalties to me and with 2 proper centre backs would almost certainly have kept a clean sheet. All 3 goals were from poor defending to say the least.




Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Alickismyhero on January 27, 2018, 06:12:21 pm
Looks like Willo was looking at the game through rose tinted glasses. A bit disappointing really I enjoyed his informed comments. We need two CB's with height at the back. It sounded to me we were bullied again and Fergie has got to get it sorted ASAP.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Scooter on January 27, 2018, 06:16:16 pm
I thought the mandeville shout was a penalty but not the others
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: RoversAlias on January 27, 2018, 06:19:22 pm
Some of them I can see why people think they were pens, Mandeville especially but not for me. Ref was crap but clutching at straws with these shouts today.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: RobTheRover on January 27, 2018, 06:27:17 pm
Mandeville one was a clear pen. It was right in front of me. Their players never touched the ball and he was barged from behind. Couldn't understand it not being given.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: selby on January 27, 2018, 06:29:22 pm
  In the laws of the game it says holding,pushing and tripping and kicking at are direct free kicks, therefore in the box a penalty.If anyone can show me where it says  little pushes, not holding for very long, or light kicks, and just a little trip are not a direct free kick , i will agree with every one who thinks we should not have had at least two penalties.
  Until then I disagree with you, and pushing and holding a player for 5 yards is a definite penalty, as is the trip and kick on Mandeville in my book.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Alickismyhero on January 27, 2018, 06:40:31 pm
Selby,
I find it very strange the majority don't seem to support the penalty shouts were they not at the South stand end?
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: roversdude on January 27, 2018, 06:57:43 pm
Well from half way line in West Stand we were incensed that they weren’t given and that their number 9 wasn’t booked as early as when Wright got injured
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: selby on January 27, 2018, 06:59:00 pm
  Alick I was in the West stand under  the camera, and I think they are talking tripe.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: selby on January 27, 2018, 07:04:55 pm
  The worst tackle of the game resulted in Wright getting injured, if the referee did not think that the Bristol Rovers player did  not play the ball ( he gave a corner ) then why is it not a tackle from behind, and could have been a sending off.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: the vicar on January 27, 2018, 07:05:09 pm
The black guy for them was he the winger I think was a dirty sod all the game he was fouling all the time
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: GazLaz on January 27, 2018, 07:06:13 pm
Just seen the Marquis miss/foul in the first half. It was either a penalty or Marquis wasn’t sacking.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: mrfrostsdad on January 27, 2018, 07:15:20 pm
None of them penalties for me (west stand) and the first goal wasn't bad defending but awful goalkeeping. It was Lawlors ball all day long but he didn't give a call or come with any conviction for it.
The miss by Marquis in the first half was laughable
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Rovers91 on January 27, 2018, 07:26:30 pm
We are getting a reputation for going down easy in the box and looking for penalties.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: selby on January 27, 2018, 07:58:42 pm
  Not the referees pulling together then, Rovers 91 and defending their reputation.
  It smacks of one sided refereeing to me, and referees telling the assistants to leave the penalty areas to them.
  In all the penalty shouts we have had over the last few weeks ( and quite a few were nailed on ) not one assistant has tried to take part in the game. it is disgusting when you consider how  much money, and peoples jobs are at stake.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: StocktonRover on January 27, 2018, 08:00:55 pm
I thought that they were all penalties at the time and unless I see something to convince me otherwise on the highlights I stand by that.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Donnywolf on January 27, 2018, 08:20:38 pm
I thought that they were all penalties at the time and unless I see something to convince me otherwise on the highlights I stand by that.

I made it 5 clear shouts for Penalties - by that I mean 2/3 rds of the Fans "going up". I am also in the West and I thought 2 maybe not 2 almost certain and 1 undecided

In the first half the "Ref" gave them a foul when one of our defenders eased one of them off the ball from a Corner - ok fair do's but when Blair was taken out in mid air it just had to be a Penalty.

I fear DF has shot us in the foot (no pun intended) because they now have a downer on us OR they are afraid to give us owt in case the Oppo Manager thinks they are favouring us to compensate for the past injustices !

Shoot em all

Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 27, 2018, 08:41:08 pm
I thought that they were all penalties at the time and unless I see something to convince me otherwise on the highlights I stand by that.

I made it 5 clear shouts for Penalties - by that I mean 2/3 rds of the Fans "going up". I am also in the West and I thought 2 maybe not 2 almost certain and 1 undecided

In the first half the "Ref" gave them a foul when one of our defenders eased one of them off the ball from a Corner - ok fair do's but when Blair was taken out in mid air it just had to be a Penalty.

I fear DF has shot us in the foot (no pun intended) because they now have a downer on us OR they are afraid to give us owt in case the Oppo Manager thinks they are favouring us to compensate for the past injustices !

Shoot em all



 being 'eased' off the ball for those two instances for me are not fouls but, he gave a foul for them in their first half so, like you say, should have given the second one. No consistency.

I didn't get a clear view of the Marquis incident in the first half but I was directly behind Mandeville's run and for me it looked as though he deliberately planted his left foot towards the defender to make it look like contact. I'd like to see them again.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: selby on January 27, 2018, 08:49:55 pm
  Both the Marquis and Mandeville shouts were for taking out the standing foot, both were penalties after contact.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: selby on January 27, 2018, 08:53:44 pm
 Oh, and if easing off the ball is not shoulder to shoulder it is pushing, therefore a direct free kick, or if in the area a penalty. It does not in the laws of the game, say a little push, or a big push.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: RedJ on January 27, 2018, 09:05:11 pm
It's weird in the penalty area. There seems to be a reluctance to punish fouls in the box that refs wouldn't think twice about doling out a free kick for elsewhere on the park. It really shouldn't be that way.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: The Red Baron on January 27, 2018, 09:34:48 pm
I didn't have a good view of the Marquis one in the first half. However I thought the one on Mandeville was a definite penalty. I don't think the useless referee was ever going to give us one whatever happened.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: drfchound on January 27, 2018, 09:36:22 pm
Just seen the Marquis one on the highlights and he clearly is fouled as he goes to get his shot away.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Pancho Regan on January 27, 2018, 10:48:35 pm
Mandeville was a definite penalty.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Dagenham Rover on January 27, 2018, 11:25:43 pm
I've not watched yet but if these incidents are has as been said I  hope Fergie takes this additional evidence to his Kangaroo court as well as the others to show the numpty's how poor things  are  at the end of the day these people are costing managers their jobs and clubs millions by utter incompetence or bias it needs sorting

It won't be overnight but Keith Hackett was saying the other night an ex footballer got his ref qualifications there was numerous reports  as to how good he was especially as he knew all the tricks the players were up to but the the FA insisted he started at the bottom in park football there was no system of fasttracking he had to do his time.

  These idiots at the FA and refs association need sorting out its no longer a jobs for the boys club its a multi million pound industry even at league 1 and 2 level

Put all the tools at their disposal and sort VAR out like other sports as instantaneous as possible
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: tommy toes on January 27, 2018, 11:32:50 pm
After reading this thread I've got just one question.
Who the f**k is Willo?
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: DonnyOsmond on January 27, 2018, 11:45:57 pm
After reading this thread I've got just one question.
Who the f**k is Willo?

You don't know who Willo is?!
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: dickos1 on January 27, 2018, 11:47:19 pm
None of them penalties for me (west stand) and the first goal wasn't bad defending but awful goalkeeping. It was Lawlors ball all day long but he didn't give a call or come with any conviction for it.
The miss by Marquis in the first half was laughable

He was clearly fouled
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Alickismyhero on January 28, 2018, 09:11:44 am
After reading this thread I've got just one question.
Who the f**k is Willo?

You don't know who Willo is?!

Willo is William's?  our injured striker.

 He is sharing the commentary on Ifollow and he gives the insight of a current professional player, very interesting. He called for at least 2 penalties and criticised our players for not making more of the fouls by Bristol Rovers players particularly Harrison. Had our players highlighted the 7 fouls by Harrison in the first half, Harrison would have got his first yellow in the first half then he would have either changed his game or sent  off with a second yellow in the second half. Then he would not have scored the third goal in the second half. BRovers were getting in to the refs ear whenever our boys and particularly Marquis got stuck in and we should have been doing the same thing.
My conclusion is that we are too easily bullied and need to wise up when it comes to pressurising the officials because it worked for BRovers in this game.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Donnywolf on January 28, 2018, 09:24:39 am
I was seething that he got away with fouling & diving in the first half and was spoken to by the "Ref" once or twice as well and should have been on a Yellow much much f*****g earlier than he was

BUT as usual the Officials were very selective in what they saw. He impeded Lawlor twice in the same attempted clearance and the East Stand Lino SHOULD ffs Flag for that offence

After shamelessly clogging Alcock he then had handbags and again the Muppet Lino was looking right at it and did nowt

AND can anyone tell me why they were so pedantic on where we took Free Kicks from because in tht case Alcock was laid in their half in the Centre Circle for a few minutes and yet when we eventually took the kick they forced us back and back into our half

Unbelievable Jeff
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Donnywolf on January 28, 2018, 09:42:05 am
None of them penalties for me (west stand) and the first goal wasn't bad defending but awful goalkeeping. It was Lawlors ball all day long but he didn't give a call or come with any conviction for it.
The miss by Marquis in the first half was laughable

He was clearly fouled

Looked like he was claiming Hand Ball ? His first touch made it a very easy looking chance and I was sure it was going in but as you say he must have been fouled to miss how he did
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Dagenham Rover on January 28, 2018, 06:05:29 pm
According to the Sun on Sunday we were denied 4 penalties yesterday and they even put the four in bold type
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Jimmydee on January 28, 2018, 07:35:11 pm
Dagenham Rover, , I wouldn’t believe the date printed on that paper.
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Dagenham Rover on January 28, 2018, 07:45:10 pm
Dagenham Rover, , I wouldn’t believe the date printed on that paper.

:) I wont dispute that I wass down the hospital and picked it up to read the report found it interesting that they were also trying to highlight things Fergies actually got a lot of support from ths media and such but the Ivory Towers will still find him guilty.  The charge of fetching the game into disrepute ought to have been brought against the referees concerned
Title: Re: Penalties
Post by: Campsall rover on January 28, 2018, 08:24:54 pm
Dagenham Rover, , I wouldn’t believe the date printed on that paper.

:) I wont dispute that I wass down the hospital and picked it up to read the report found it interesting that they were also trying to highlight things Fergies actually got a lot of support from ths media and such but the Ivory Towers will still find him guilty.  The charge of fetching the game into disrepute ought to have been brought against the referees concerned
Or the FA themselves. Their incompetence at running the game is embarrassing.