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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Branton Rover on February 10, 2018, 05:49:33 pm
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Got us a point today with a wonderful goal saving tackle and earned us a point we didn’t deserve - however that said Charlton fans have got to be dumbfounded how they didn’t win the game.
It’s a funny old game - today is definitely a point gained - so many of our lads had poor day at the office, hopefully won’t be that bad again this season.
A footnote Anderson & Boyle improved the longer the game went - glaringly obvious though we need proper full backs for next season
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Got us a point today with a wonderful goal saving tackle and earned us a point we didn’t deserve - however that said Charlton fans have got to be dumbfounded how they didn’t win the game.
It’s a funny old game - today is definitely a point gained - so many of our lads had poor day at the office, hopefully won’t be that bad again this season.
A footnote Anderson & Boyle improved the longer the game went - glaringly obvious though we need proper full backs for next season
We've got Andrew and Garratt on the left (not sure why Garratt doesn't play?). We do need a proper one on the right though, I do rate Mason out there, although he's not been amazing recently.
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I thought we were awful. As the last ten minutes were ticking away I was fuming we had barely had a go. Massive stroke of luck with the goal (deflection) but at least we hung in there, we’d have lost that a few months back.
The TA challenge felt like a goal, what a tackle!
One to forget apart from the last 2 minutes.
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We have not had a proper full back since Tommy spurr
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Got us a point today with a wonderful goal saving tackle and earned us a point we didn’t deserve - however that said Charlton fans have got to be dumbfounded how they didn’t win the game.
It’s a funny old game - today is definitely a point gained - so many of our lads had poor day at the office, hopefully won’t be that bad again this season.
A footnote Anderson & Boyle improved the longer the game went - glaringly obvious though we need proper full backs for next season
We've got Andrew and Garratt on the left (not sure why Garratt doesn't play?). We do need a proper one on the right though, I do rate Mason out there, although he's not been amazing recently.
. Because garratt is horrendous
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We were poor today, deserved nothing at all, yet somehow managed to grab a point. Charlton were gutted. Total injustice. Kinda reminded me of a game a few years back when we robbed due to a game been called off when we were 3-1 up.
Karma eh.
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Depends what you mean by "proper full back".
If you mean someone who can play in a traditional full back role, then we have some of those.
Bigger issue is that our manager plays with a system where we do not play with traditional full backs. They are expected to attack as much as defend and in the 3/5 at back, they are as much wingers as full backs.
So, for the set up our manager favours, in Rowe and Blair you probably have the players he wants to play there. Madness or genius you can decide, but we are not under this manager going to have your traditional full back being a regular in this side.
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Sorry but I fear for us if that’s our 2 centre backs until when ever. They should have had 5 or 6 today.
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Sorry but I fear for us if that’s our 2 centre backs until when ever. They should have had 5 or 6 today.
Baudry back next weekend, and of course Luke can also play there.
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We should of been 3 down at half time
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Sorry but I fear for us if that’s our 2 centre backs until when ever. They should have had 5 or 6 today.
They were steady enough, it was the rest of the side who were poor.
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Their time-wasting and general lack of killer instinct cost them dearly today, they should have been out of sight by the time Blair equalised because we were totally benign for 93 minutes but they didn't really try after going 1-0 up, and the time-wasting from the minute the second half started was pathetic. They got what they deserved in that respect, but were well organised and had some skilful players. They stunted our game plan right away and we never tried to find another way through.
We will need to play much better on Tuesday night but all credit to them for snatching an undeserved point. Anderson made up for costing us the goal by saving a certain second, and Blair made up for a pretty bad performance by committing well and heading in that equaliser. Satisfactory day at the office for Rovers in the end.
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Sorry but I fear for us if that’s our 2 centre backs until when ever. They should have had 5 or 6 today.
They were steady enough, it was the rest of the side who were poor.
Steady? Every time lawler played it out to Anderson, he paniced, and played it back or lumped it anywhere, despite mason being on his right hand side... awful distribution, 6 foot 4, and gets outjumped, his last gasp save redeems him slightly, but if hes a regulat CH, we are gonna struggle..
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Blair got a lucky reprieve with the ball falling to him like that. He also got lucky that his terrible 'pass' back didn't result in a goal.
He needs to be told quite heavily by Ferguson his game isn't good enough at the moment. While our fans might love a player who endlessly runs up and down; for the most part its aimless and his distribution with the ball is nigh on terrible. Even Copps turned around in exacerbation to him late on in the game with his hands up. I've only ever seen Copps do that to one player before and that was Mustapha Dumbuya, another player who ran up and down aimlessly but had very little else to his game.
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The last proper full back pairing we had Quinn & Spurr - how long ago was that !!
Most people’s definition of a proper fullback is a player who can defend and stop balls being delivered into our box and can get forward to deliver our own crosses into their area, tackle and not nesh - basically Roberts & O’Connor combo
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Sorry but I fear for us if that’s our 2 centre backs until when ever. They should have had 5 or 6 today.
They were steady enough, it was the rest of the side who were poor.
Steady? Every time lawler played it out to Anderson, he paniced, and played it back or lumped it anywhere, despite mason being on his right hand side... awful distribution, 6 foot 4, and gets outjumped, his last gasp save redeems him slightly, but if hes a regulat CH, we are gonna struggle..
Yes steady. I didn’t say he played well did I? But he certainly wasn’t terrible. Steady he was.
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Blair got a lucky reprieve with the ball falling to him like that. He also got lucky that his terrible 'pass' back didn't result in a goal.
He needs to be told quite heavily by Ferguson his game isn't good enough at the moment. While our fans might love a player who endlessly runs up and down; for the most part its aimless and his distribution with the ball is nigh on terrible. Even Copps turned around in exacerbation to him late on in the game with his hands up. I've only ever seen Copps do that to one player before and that was Mustapha Dumbuya, another player who ran up and down aimlessly but had very little else to his game.
The fact that he isn't a full back, and is being played as a full back, is probably not helping matters.
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Never mind Anderson, what about the rest? Bloody awful midfield.
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Blair got a lucky reprieve with the ball falling to him like that. He also got lucky that his terrible 'pass' back didn't result in a goal.
He needs to be told quite heavily by Ferguson his game isn't good enough at the moment. While our fans might love a player who endlessly runs up and down; for the most part its aimless and his distribution with the ball is nigh on terrible. Even Copps turned around in exacerbation to him late on in the game with his hands up. I've only ever seen Copps do that to one player before and that was Mustapha Dumbuya, another player who ran up and down aimlessly but had very little else to his game.
The fact that he isn't a full back, and is being played as a full back, is probably not helping matters.
That might be the case (to be honest, I don't know what is his position? In my team it wouldn't be one on the pitch) but it doesn't excuse some of his (just plain lazy) distribution.
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Blairs crosses are aimless most of the time. Reminded me of Evina who pretty much closed his eyes and looked away before crossing. Hate seeing players just hit and hope.
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Our fans love Blair because he runs about. But he has very little quality.
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Tom Anderson challenge was good. It’s not fair to pick onthe centre backs really the rest of the side we’re not good enough.
We need a quality right back who can defend get up and put crosses in. Garrett is not good enough to be second string so he should not be here next season. We will have Andrew and hopefully Amos will be able to cover him. If not we need another player who can play left back or left midfield
We need a left sided midfield player to add to Tommy Rowe. Could be the player above. That’s just the start.
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I didn't realise Garratt was 21! Thought he was still only 19ish.
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Wasn't Blair's back pass that caused it, it was Alex poor needless pass towards but not to Blair that started it all
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Wasn't Blair's back pass that caused it, it was Alex poor needless pass towards but not to Blair that started it all
Lund,until getting injured last season, was one of our best defenders at the start of last season playing right back. Its a funny old game.
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Wasn't Blair's back pass that caused it, it was Alex poor needless pass towards but not to Blair that started it all
Lund,until getting injured last season, was one of our best defenders at the start of last season playing right back. Its a funny old game.
But he was not the quality we need to progress in year 3 of a 5 year plan. We as supporters are accepting second rate players instead of the club going the extra mile and getting players we need.
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Wasn't Blair's back pass that caused it, it was Alex poor needless pass towards but not to Blair that started it all
Sorry mate, just not true that. There's a video of the incident going round on the facebook group. Clearly shows he had enough time to do something (anything) with the ball.
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Sorry but that was absolute garbage today & I don't agree with it being a bad day at the office, we have been like that at home most of the season, especially first half, slow ponderous build up play, lack of urgency, poor passing, tip tapping about at the back putting teammates under pressure, then lumping it forward straight to their defenders, awful football. The goal, set piece again, was a joke, should never got his header away, & even then should have been saved. Thought at half time never mind we will have a go second half as we normally do, not a chance was sat there bored stiff. Don't feel sorry for Charlton, took the foot off the gas when they knew we had nothing, should have gone for the jugular. Marquis & Beeston were the only positives for me today, we really need to start creating chances for our strikers.
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It’s the first time I’ve seen Anderson play today so will give him a fair crack and not make judgement yet. But in the same breath I have to say whilst watching him all I could think of was dangerous Dave Morley! Sorry Tom lad.
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It's the blokes second game in a a new environmemt.if your make that judgement now it's either without football knowledge or just a moan.
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We have not played like that all season at all, today was particularly tepid and devoid of ingenuity. Not fair to say we play like that regularly because we don't at all.
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We have not played like that all season at all, today was particularly tepid and devoid of ingenuity. Not fair to say we play like that regularly because we don't at all.
It reminded me of the Walsall game, a very similar display.
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It's the blokes second game in a a new environmemt.if your make that judgement now it's either without football knowledge or just a moan.
that aimed at me flower? If it is, nowhere does my post criticise the bloke.
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I thought he was average. Goal his fault but he improved second half. Liked Boyle though he played well.
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I believe you compared to Morley who was decent enough although a scapegoat
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Morley was a fine footballer but too often he over complicated things making him a poor defender. Anderson is a defender and for the large part he did his job without fuss.
He got caught under the flight of the ball for the goal and messed up, reading his interview comments he knows that. He showed character by making up for that as the game went on. Fair play to him for that. He did alright.
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Just to reiterate in my opinion we have played like that regularly all season, especially in the first half of games.
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I said about five minutes from the end that it is the worst I've seen us play. The second half v Walsall was probably worse but we hadn't been bad first half. This was just awful.
We nicked a point and it felt like a win. Even more so because it was against that mouthy t**t Robinson. They are a typical Robinson side- just like Franchise a few years ago. Spoiling tactics, time wasting and players with some serious balance issues. But it was scarcely deserved and we'll have to play better to get anything on Tuesday.
Not sure if McCullough is match fit enough to go the distance but if he is he'd be one of first names on the team sheet for Tuesday.
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Just to reiterate in my opinion we have played like that regularly all season, especially in the first half of games.
Usually the side is rearranged at half time to put players into positions they should have been in at the start of the game.
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We were poor today, deserved nothing at all, yet somehow managed to grab a point. Charlton were gutted. Total injustice. Kinda reminded me of a game a few years back when we robbed due to a game been called off when we were 3-1 up.
Karma eh.
... and the game v Brentfod at home in "Crossbar" Season where they were laid all over the pitch after thrashing us and losing 2-1 (Highway robbery - but hey ho who cares)
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Back on subject, it will be interesting to see the highlights because leading up to the Anderson goal saving challenge, I thought their player got a touch to the ball as Blair attempted to pass back to Lawlor.
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I believe you compared to Morley who was decent enough although a scapegoat
nope. I just said all I could think of
was Dave Morley whilst watching him. It’s not a judgement it’s an appearance thing.
He’s tall, gangly, moves like him and possibly prone to a mishap.
I didn’t actually give my opinion on Dave Morley either!!
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Back on subject, it will be interesting to see the highlights because leading up to the Anderson goal saving challenge, I thought their player got a touch to the ball as Blair attempted to pass back to Lawlor.
He did and killed the ball nearly "dead" BUT after the kid went round our Keeper LawlOr the block was incredible and I said - THAT could be the moment the game changed. If we get a Point it will be more or less down to that few seconds
Glad to be proved right (for once)
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We played poorly today but in fairness to DF he knows that and he didn’t shirk from admitting so in his post-match interview.
But it was sweet to nick a point in injury time after Charlton had spent so long wasting time. And we’ve cruelly dropped points by conceding late goals earlier this season, so it’s about time we got lucky.
As for the criticism of Blair, I disagree totally.
Yes, a couple of his passes went astray but who doesn’t make mistakes? He never hid, never stopped working, never stopped trying to get forward, and ultimately was in the right place to score the equaliser.
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Blair was very poor defensively today. He committed himself and was passed by the winger 6-7 times. He doesn’t seem to have the ability to hold position and jockey the winger in a safe direction.
But fair play to the lad. He came up trumps at the end.
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He’s not a full back BST.
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On the Anderson topic, I’ve come away quite happy with a lot of what I saw. Granted he’s tall and ungainly, but he plays like he cares and I like that. Looked gutted when they scored and held his hands up to it. He’s never going to be one for bringing the ball out but looked a decent honest defender. The way he got back to make that challenge showed he’ll run through the proverbial brick wall and I hope he does well here.
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I agree. Not in the old fashioned sense anyway. The modern game of course demands that a full back spend as much time overlapping down the wing as defending. Glen Johnson played 50 odd times for Rngland without ever once showing more than a vague semblance of the ability to defend.
It’s obvious that Ferguson’s pre-season preference was for a central 3 at the back with Blair as a wing back. His defensive shortcomings wouldn’t be as exposed then.
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Thought Anderson got better as the game went on. Looked dodgy to start and he certainly isn't a ball-playing defender so I hope Ferguson doesn't insist we tap it around at the back with him playing, because he'll undoubtedly get caught out. He looks really gangly and awkward which probably doesn't help him impress at first.
Boyle - wasn't that impressed today. Looks OK on the ball but I didn't think he looked very dominant defensively and didn't seem to win much in the air. Hopefully when he settles in he'll be more assertive.
Blair - some harsh critics of him I think. OK sometimes he lacks quality but I think when he's on his A game his crossing is better than most in our squad. Also can't fault his hard work. He's not a right back and it's clear as day he's a square peg in a round hole there so I'm not sure why DF has persisted with picking him there on-and-off for over a year now.
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Wasn't Blair's back pass that caused it, it was Alex poor needless pass towards but not to Blair that started it all
Lund,until getting injured last season, was one of our best defenders at the start of last season playing right back. Its a funny old game.
But he was not the quality we need to progress in year 3 of a 5 year plan. We as supporters are accepting second rate players instead of the club going the extra mile and getting players we need.
How many extra miles do you think the club should go then Steve? 4, 5, 6?
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2,4,6,8 motorway.
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How many extra miles do you think the club should go then Steve? 4, 5, 6?
I read extra 'mile', I.e. Singular, as in 1!
What is the answer then?
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Tremendous block - and all credit to him
Credit Lawlor too for "forcing" the kid wide / slowing him up / whatever he did
I said at the time its "big moments" like that that may change a game and in this case it DID. 2-0 down more than likely game over - but wonder block allowed a late late and mostly unjust 1-1 but hey ho (cliche alert) what goes around comes around and we were still in there trying and proved it !
:scarf:
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Blair was very poor defensively today. He committed himself and was passed by the winger 6-7 times. He doesn’t seem to have the ability to hold position and jockey the winger in a safe direction.
But fair play to the lad. He came up trumps at the end.
in fairness to Blair that winger was on fire today. He roasted everyone he took on. Hands down the best player I have seen this season, regardless of his miss. Couple that with the link up with their number 22, who was also excellent, Blair had no chance as he had little or no cover in front of him.
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their no 22 the left wing back was class ,on loan from Chelsea and if they hadn`t substituted him at the end i dont think we would have scored,
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Blair was very poor defensively today. He committed himself and was passed by the winger 6-7 times. He doesn’t seem to have the ability to hold position and jockey the winger in a safe direction.
But fair play to the lad. He came up trumps at the end.
in fairness to Blair that winger was on fire today. He roasted everyone he took on. Hands down the best player I have seen this season, regardless of his miss. Couple that with the link up with their number 22, who was also excellent, Blair had no chance as he had little or no cover in front of him.
He was really on fire - fast tricky direct. Never stopped running and pressurising our defence.
Thank goodness we blocked his last effort and I bet he even learnt from that.
As you say one of the best we have seen at KMS this Season (deffo worth a punt :lol:)
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I saw a few Charlton fans on Twitter who were fuming because DaSilva had been taken off and because the chap who replaced him played Blair onside for the goal.
I found it a rather delicious irony that they conceded as a result of Robinson's attempts to waste time.
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Wasn't Blair's back pass that caused it, it was Alex poor needless pass towards but not to Blair that started it all
Lund,until getting injured last season, was one of our best defenders at the start of last season playing right back. Its a funny old game.
But he was not the quality we need to progress in year 3 of a 5 year plan. We as supporters are accepting second rate players instead of the club going the extra mile and getting players we need.
How many extra miles do you think the club should go then Steve? 4, 5, 6?
It’s up to the club how far they want to go, they have set the goal on Championship football. The teams that achieved that last year had a bigger budget than we have? Comparing it to the last time we were in League 1. We need better players to achieve the goal. So far this season the board have backed the manager hence the Anderson and Boyle loans plus others.
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I saw a few Charlton fans on Twitter who were fuming because DaSilva had been taken off and because the chap who replaced him played Blair onside for the goal.
I found it a rather delicious irony that they conceded as a result of Robinson's attempts to waste time.
Yes especially the Keeper who took the "mandatory" age to take every Goal Kick.
The Ref warned him and then watched as a Ball Boy threw the ball to the Keeper who despite being on 2 or 3 k a week totally failed to catch the Ball or even get a hand to it and so it rolled (passed by a slug and two tortoises out for a stroll) 10 yards past him - thus wasting more time
The Ref ? Watched it all and did nowt. At least he did finally book the g*t.
Later the Ref went to a Sub to usher him off and he then did the applaud everyone in the ground before doubling back to shake hands with a Team mate
The Ref ? Watched it all and did nowt
So I was chuffed to death to see them concede a late goal - serves them right
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Wasn't Blair's back pass that caused it, it was Alex poor needless pass towards but not to Blair that started it all
Lund,until getting injured last season, was one of our best defenders at the start of last season playing right back. Its a funny old game.
But he was not the quality we need to progress in year 3 of a 5 year plan. We as supporters are accepting second rate players instead of the club going the extra mile and getting players we need.
How many extra miles do you think the club should go then Steve? 4, 5, 6?
It’s up to the club how far they want to go, they have set the goal on Championship football. The teams that achieved that last year had a bigger budget than we have? Comparing it to the last time we were in League 1. We need better players to achieve the goal. So far this season the board have backed the manager hence the Anderson and Boyle loans plus others.
This was always going to be a consolidation season and you're deluded if you genuinely thought we'd go for two promotions on the bounce.
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Make no bones about it, the lad should have scored. Good challenge in the end though.
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Thing is, had Charlton had a real go second half instead of time wasting, they would have won the game at a canter in my opinion.
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I saw a few Charlton fans on Twitter who were fuming because DaSilva had been taken off and because the chap who replaced him played Blair onside for the goal.
I found it a rather delicious irony that they conceded as a result of Robinson's attempts to waste time.
Yes especially the Keeper who took the "mandatory" age to take every Goal Kick.
The Ref warned him and then watched as a Ball Boy threw the ball to the Keeper who despite being on 2 or 3 k a week totally failed to catch the Ball or even get a hand to it and so it rolled (passed by a slug and two tortoises out for a stroll) 10 yards past him - thus wasting more time
The Ref ? Watched it all and did nowt. At least he did finally book the g*t.
Later the Ref went to a Sub to usher him off and he then did the applaud everyone in the ground before doubling back to shake hands with a Team mate
The Ref ? Watched it all and did nowt
So I was chuffed to death to see them concede a late goal - serves them right
The Ref did nowt in terms of yellow cards DW, but maybe he added a few more seconds, and in this case that was enough to have an effect?
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He deffo Added more time on as I thought they would have only been 3 mins added and at one throw he clearly holds his hand in the air to show he had stopped his watch
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Blair was very poor defensively today. He committed himself and was passed by the winger 6-7 times. He doesn’t seem to have the ability to hold position and jockey the winger in a safe direction.
But fair play to the lad. He came up trumps at the end.
in fairness to Blair that winger was on fire today. He roasted everyone he took on. Hands down the best player I have seen this season, regardless of his miss. Couple that with the link up with their number 22, who was also excellent, Blair had no chance as he had little or no cover in front of him.
Agreed. But there is a glaring weakness in Blair’s defensive game which really needs working on. He tends to commit to challenges, making it easy for a good winger to feint one way, draw the challenge and go the other way. If he could just learn not to commit, but to jockey wingers and make them work harder to get round him, he’d be far more effective.
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Make no bones about it, the lad should have scored. Good challenge in the end though.
He was Sanchez the 2nd - one touch too many lol !
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Blair was very poor defensively today. He committed himself and was passed by the winger 6-7 times. He doesn’t seem to have the ability to hold position and jockey the winger in a safe direction.
But fair play to the lad. He came up trumps at the end.
in fairness to Blair that winger was on fire today. He roasted everyone he took on. Hands down the best player I have seen this season, regardless of his miss. Couple that with the link up with their number 22, who was also excellent, Blair had no chance as he had little or no cover in front of him.
Agreed. But there is a glaring weakness in Blair’s defensive game which really needs working on. He tends to commit to challenges, making it easy for a good winger to feint one way, draw the challenge and go the other way. If he could just learn not to commit, but to jockey wingers and make them work harder to get round him, he’d be far more effective.
Stop being so negative, poor bloke.
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Not being negative B.B. because Blair wasn't as bad last Saturday in defence, he got the run around much more at Portsmouth and Wigan.
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Selby. It was tongue in cheek. BST thinks we should'nt be negative - Unless we're talking about Brexit!
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The post was not to criticise Anderson but to praise him for the last ditch challenge that won us a point -
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Noted -: it was a great challenge and a Point saving one. Also added praise for LawlOr for his forcing wide of their Player giving Anderson a split second extra to get that fantastic block in :scarf:
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It wasn’t just Lawlor making the player go around him that gave Anderson chance to make the tackle, their player also mis-controlled the ball. The ball hit his foot that put him off giving Anderson the time.
COYR
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Good - as it led to a draw and deprived the Keeper the honour of being their MOTM for all his "antics"
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How many extra miles do you think the club should go then Steve? 4, 5, 6?
I read extra 'mile', I.e. Singular, as in 1!
What is the answer then?
The answer?
"42"
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Only if you drive a Ford Prefect.