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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Ian Nimmo on February 10, 2018, 07:49:35 pm
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Sorry Darren but today was just not good enough and if that is the best you can deliver to us, then I believe it is time for you to consider your position at DRFC
Your team selection (positions) was simply awful, Tommy Roe at left back, was you on the red wine last night?
You continue to instruct the player to start playing from the left or right corner of the pitch, not just today but every game. It just doesn't work and it appears everyone can see this apart from you.
I hate to post and say this but if you continue in this vein, i fear the worst and L2 is looming
The one positive from today, although he made some poor passes, Luke looked very strong particularly considering how long he has been out.
Well done Luke you have obviously put a lot of work in to get back, good luck for rest of season
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I think we'll have enough to stay up if only because the quality of players we have is better than two years ago. And at least we're drawing games instead of losing, like we were two years ago.
However, I think the Board need to be asking themselves some serious questions. Is Fergie really the man to take us forward? If our aim is to get in the Championship I'm far from convinced. He seems unable to get the best out of some talented players and the football we play is frequently tedious in the extreme.
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Another happy customer
We are doomed.
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It’s the equivalent of Man City playing De Bruyne at right back with Tommy Rowe
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Tactics looked all at sea today and with some players not putting a proper shift in .
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It’s the equivalent of Man City playing De Bruyne at right back with Tommy Rowe
Bang on great analogy. I couldn’t agree more.
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Do you think we have improved on the dross that Dickov played.
I do not.
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Another happy customer
We are doomed.
Why is it that people see a negative post when in reality it is an observation of what is happening.
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Today we were shocking. No passion or fight in the first half. Fergie is constantly shouting instructions at the players they don’t know if they are coming or going. He plays them out of position which again causes confusion.
Were we any worse under Dickov ?I don’t think we were, we have not progressed whilst Ferguson has been here.
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This is why i dont go anymore. I wont go till he's gone
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We have won two in ten and they were both last year. Although as others have highlighted, at least we are drawing rather than losing as we did the season Ferguson took us down, so that is progress of sorts.
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This is why i dont go anymore. I wont go till he's gone
I hope you don’t come back for a long time then - I support DRFC irrespective of who the manager is
COYR
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Do you think we have improved on the dross that Dickov played.
I do not.
The football is pretty similar this season. I do prefer the team being filled with potential instead of OAPs though.
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Sorry don’t agree with that. You are either a supporter or you are not.
If you only go when you like the manager or when we are winning then that is not being a true supporter.
Of course before you come back at me, I will say of course that you are entitled to do what you wish.
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Sorry above thread was in reply to Watto-DRFC
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This is why i dont go anymore. I wont go till he's gone
I hope you don’t come back for a long time then - I support DRFC irrespective of who the manager is
COYR
Agree with you Gloster but Ferguson is making a decent team look like a poor team.
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Silks purse out sows ear ?
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This is why i dont go anymore. I wont go till he's gone
I hope you don’t come back for a long time then - I support DRFC irrespective of who the manager is
COYR
I'm not Darren's biggest fan, but I support OUR team. As for boycotting games because he's the manager,absolute crap
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Today we were shocking. No passion or fight in the first half. Fergie is constantly shouting instructions at the players they don’t know if they are coming or going. He plays them out of position which again causes confusion.
Were we any worse under Dickov ?I don’t think we were, we have not progressed whilst Ferguson has been here.
Today we were shocking. No passion or fight in the first half. Fergie is constantly shouting instructions at the players they don’t know if they are coming or going. He plays them out of position which again causes confusion.
Were we any worse under Dickov ?I don’t think we were, we have not progressed whilst Ferguson has been here.
Yes I notice most Managers point and shout and "direct" nearly every part of Play - be it free play or a dead ball kick
I have often said they ought to just give em a Magnetic Fooball game and let em get on with it
See this Youtube video if you are under 40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USeZ3t78AdA
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Do you think we have improved on the dross that Dickov played.
I do not.
Good question! Very similar imo. We have a tendency to overplay it in key areas, just like we did under Paul. That said, give me 10 Darren Ferguson's over a Paul Dickov.
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We have won two in ten and they were both last year. Although as others have highlighted, at least we are drawing rather than losing as we did the season Ferguson took us down, so that is progress of sorts.
A point per game from here on in gets us to 53points, enough to see us safe
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Ferguson’s average then.
However to get to safety we will have to win some matches because we are bound to lose some as well
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Ferguson’s average then.
However to get to safety we will have to win some matches because we are bound to lose some as well
We are currently averaging 1.21 pts per game
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Ferguson’s average then.
However to get to safety we will have to win some matches because we are bound to lose some as well
We are currently averaging 1.21 pts per game
Things are obviously on the up then.
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Last 10 games we have played 2 away matches against sides in the top 4, three other games against sides in the top 9 (two of those away) and two matches against sides (Plymouth and Oldham) who were in the top 2 of the form table when we played them.
Our record in those 10 games is
W3 D6 L1 F16 A12 PPG 1.50
That’s just shy of play-off form in the hardest run of the season.
Do you think some of you are overdoing the negativity just a little bit?
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All I'd say is be careful what you wish for. Who would come in and make a long term difference?
also, you can manipulate any stats really. Yeah we've not won for a while and drawn a lot but also only 4 defeats in 22.
In the relegation season, a hell of a lot of the recent draws would have been games where we rolled over and lost.
It's very frustrating at the minute but it could also be a lot worse. Losing 3 centre halves and having to draft in 2 relative unknowns to the back line hasn't helped and is something that very rarely happens to teams. Yeah 1 or two injuries but not at the rate we had to the same position. Ifs and buts I know but Butler and Wright fit and we win today and a few of the other recent draws.
McCullough now has to come back in to sure up the midfield and hopefully Baudry and Butler will be back sooner than initially thought.
Call me a happy clapper or whatever but I'm still relatively positive. I'm not saying Fergie is god but think we could do a lot worse.
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To say we were rubbish today is not overdoing the negativity. We were rubbish, and have been far too often this season.
Thank goodness our last ten games have been just shy of promotion form. if we were to get promoted I doubt we'd get a point in the Championship with this squad.
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To add to my last post, I'm not defending today. We were crap!
But the fact we've been crap but not rolling over is a positive sign. We'll get a win soon enough.
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BB
Yes we were rubbish today. Yes we were lucky to get a point. But the reaction here is a bit extreme.
You say we’ve been rubbish far too often. We’re comfortably on course for a mid-table finish. After a rocky first couple of months of the season, we’ve been chugging along in form that would be about equal to 10-12th spot over a season.
Yeah, alright, that’s hardly show-stopping stuff, but it’s at least as good as I was expecting this season. Were you expecting us to rip up the division?
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BB
Yes we were rubbish today. Yes we were lucky to get a point. But the reaction here is a bit extreme.
You say we’ve been rubbish far too often. We’re comfortably on course for a mid-table finish. After a rocky first couple of months of the season, we’ve been chugging along in form that would be about equal to 10-12th spot over a season.
Yeah, alright, that’s hardly show-stopping stuff, but it’s at least as good as I was expecting this season. Were you expecting us to rip up the division?
I was expecting what we are. Next year we will be in year 3 of 5 year plan. To progress we need better players, this is not down solely to the manager. He will need more financial backing. Last time we were in League 1 our financial spend was 4m. The teams that were promoted last season spent between 11 to 8m pounds according to the figures.
I not saying that DF could get a little more out the players we have but to say this squad is any where near a promotion side is ludicrous.
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With our competitive budget and Fergie's history of producing high scoring and entertaining sides, I thought we'd rip a few defences up with high paced attacking football. So in that respect, yes, I did expect us to rip up the division, at least more than we have done.
On the contrary to that, our football has been slow, side to side, backwards, big boot forward, and mind-numbingly boring most of the time.
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Sorry Darren but today was just not good enough and if that is the best you can deliver to us, then I believe it is time for you to consider your position at DRFC
Your team selection (positions) was simply awful, Tommy Roe at left back, was you on the red wine last night?
You continue to instruct the player to start playing from the left or right corner of the pitch, not just today but every game. It just doesn't work and it appears everyone can see this apart from you.
I hate to post and say this but if you continue in this vein, i fear the worst and L2 is looming
The one positive from today, although he made some poor passes, Luke looked very strong particularly considering how long he has been out.
Well done Luke you have obviously put a lot of work in to get back, good luck for rest of season
Here we go again. :crying: :facepalm:
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With our competitive budget and Fergie's history of producing high scoring and entertaining sides, I thought we'd rip a few defences up with high paced attacking football. So in that respect, yes, I did expect us to rip up the division, at least more than we have done.
On the contrary to that, our football has been slow, side to side, backwards, big boot forward, and mind-numbingly boring most of the time.
Hard to disagree with that.
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This is what I’ve been saying for months whilst getting absolutely slated. Glad to see some people have seen the light.
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Steve
And yet, for the last 24 games we’ve been a couple of dodgy refereeing decisions off play off form.
I’m not passing comment on the strength of the squad. I’ve got my own opinions on that and they are as worthless as anyone else’s. I’m just stating the facts.
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Peterborough away
Shrewsbury away
Scunthorpe away
Portsmouth away
Everyone would have snapped your hand off to get 4 points from these fixtures, the home form has been poor.
But we've lost one game out of 11 games and we've people asking for the manager to be sacked.
Get a grip
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This is why i dont go anymore. I wont go till he's gone
I hope you don’t come back for a long time then - I support DRFC irrespective of who the manager is
COYR
Bull $hit
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Not one to knock, but could not believe the obvious out of position locations he picked for several players contributing to the debacle of a first half today.
Why did it take him 35 mins to attempt to rectify it - the crowd could see it from the start.
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To add to my last post, I'm not defending today. We were crap!
But the fact we've been crap but not rolling over is a positive sign. We'll get a win soon enough.
2 in fact Walsall then Fleetwood !
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No win in 8 isn’t acceptable!
He’s clueless, we concede the same goals week in week out! Marking from a set piece really is Sunday league stuff, man mark get tight and make sure they don’t get a run on you. Really is simple stuff!
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Ferguson’s average then.
However to get to safety we will have to win some matches because we are bound to lose some as well
How is it his average?
Also, last 11 games we've won 3, drawn 7 and lost 1, so why are you saying we have to win some matches as we're bound to lose some? The facts would say we're far more likely to be bound to win some matches than we are lose
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No win in 8 isn’t acceptable!
He’s clueless, we concede the same goals week in week out! Marking from a set piece really is Sunday league stuff, man mark get tight and make sure they don’t get a run on you. Really is simple stuff!
0 win in 8, 4 of the toughest away matches you could wish for, and we remained unbeaten.
1 defeat in 11 games.
Always two ways of looking at it
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No win in 8 isn’t acceptable!
He’s clueless, we concede the same goals week in week out! Marking from a set piece really is Sunday league stuff, man mark get tight and make sure they don’t get a run on you. Really is simple stuff!
0 win in 8, 4 of the toughest away matches you could wish for, and we remained unbeaten.
1 defeat in 11 games.
Always two ways of looking at it
It’s relegation form.
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What is?
Our last 11 games we've got 16 points!
That isn't relegation form
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No win in 8 isn’t acceptable!
He’s clueless, we concede the same goals week in week out! Marking from a set piece really is Sunday league stuff, man mark get tight and make sure they don’t get a run on you. Really is simple stuff!
0 win in 8, 4 of the toughest away matches you could wish for, and we remained unbeaten.
1 defeat in 11 games.
Always two ways of looking at it
It’s relegation form.
you're properly retarded, aren't you - i mean, it's great that you can use a keyboard and form something close to cogent thoughts and the rest, but really, relegation form over the last eleven games - it's guaranteed top half stuff, borderline play-off contention !
you're welcome to now list the numerous occasions that a team has been relegated with 67 points from a 46 game season, but i ain't going to hold my breath waiting for you to come up with examples
jesus....
edit: my bad - it's not guaranteed top half points accumulation; walsall once finished in 13th place with 67 points by virtue of scoring fewer goals than the team they were tied with (same goal difference)
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Herman Hessian
you're properly retarded, aren't you
Thats offensive and should be removed
people have a opinion and should not be abused
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I think people are forgetting are 1st choice left back is out for the season and another loanee got injured too and one of the reasons we didn't replace him probably was the immediate need for two centre halves in the last days of the window. Garrett is young and inconsistent and so is Mason who is better on the left. I am not saying I don't prefer Rowe further forward or that we don't miss his goals from midfield but I do think given a set budget Ferguson has to work with what he's got and sometimes Rowe has proved an impact from left wing back. I am not saying it's ideal but due to Andrews injury I think Fergie is tied somewhat with left back selections.
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I take it you mean Mason is better on the right?
We have limited resources and we don't have enough experienced players within those limited resources, so why juggle the balls continuously? He is making things worse, not better, by tinkering and messing about with players changing positions.
Play Rowe where he gives maximum benefit, ideally at the point of the diamond - he is our best creative player now, with Copps on the wane. If Garrett is not up to it, then we need to set our stall out in the summer and get better. Likewise, right back. Who is our best right back, currently - Blair or Mason? For me, we don't have a good enough player there and we need one of them also, but Mason is Definately the better of the 2 we have got, so play him there.
Midfield? Jesus, where do you start? Scrap the diamond and play a flat 4, for starters (especially if Copps can't play every game). Rowe reverts to left side, Blair on the right ( our worst player yesterday but the only other choice is Kongolo) and Houghton/Whiteman partnership in the middle.
Up top, we're struggling to find a partner for JM, hopefully Alex will improve, with Beestin still on the learning curve and AM now behind him.
A keeper that even dares to come off his line at corners would be more than useful - 3 or 4 strides and Lawlor is catching that ball, yesterday. He is absolutely superglued to his line at set pieces. He simply has to start getting this right - end of.
Also, playing a high line is just not on, with the 2 new cb's. Neither of them have the pace. Has nobody noticed that in training this week? Exposed so many times yesterday.
DF, you have your work cut out this week, if we're not to fall into the bottom 4. Make no mistake, we were very, very lucky, yesterday.
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This is why i dont go anymore. I wont go till he's gone
I hope you don’t come back for a long time then - I support DRFC irrespective of who the manager is
COYR
Bull $hit
No it is true, I support Doncaster Rovers irrespective of who the manager is
COYR
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All season we've not been able to play decent football for more than 45 mins. For some games, we've not even managed that as we see time and time again, the very basics of what you need in a team is absent. To compound things even more, we've seen periods where panic has set in and even the better players out on the pitch can't control or pass a ball 5 yards.
You do wonder whether DF spends too much time working on formations, changing formations and trying to get players to adapt to it, rather than getting the basics drilled into players and sticking to a simple formula. Just making it too complicated. Running before we can walk.
Our most influential players. Copps can't play 90 minutes every game. Rowe, disappears for long periods. He maybe one of the few players who will try to attack teams but he also over complicates things at times. Houghton, his influence seems to be diminishing game by game. There are only two players that you can say who have been consistent all season and they are Butler and Marquis. That's just not enough to be a team challenging.
This is not a board or a budget issue, it's DFs responsibility to define a minimum standard.
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Our League position is about what I expected. However the football has often been tedious to watch. Slow and predictable build up, no width and not enough chances created. I really don't look forward to games at the moment.
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Peterborough away
Shrewsbury away
Scunthorpe away
Portsmouth away
Everyone would have snapped your hand off to get 4 points from these fixtures, the home form has been poor.
But we've lost one game out of 11 games and we've people asking for the manager to be sacked.
Get a grip
I haven’t seen one post saying he should be sacked. What we are despairing at is Fergie tactics and constantly playing people out of position. Unable to defend corners week in week out.
Those four draws were excellent points yes.
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No win in 8 isn’t acceptable!
He’s clueless, we concede the same goals week in week out! Marking from a set piece really is Sunday league stuff, man mark get tight and make sure they don’t get a run on you. Really is simple stuff!
0 win in 8, 4 of the toughest away matches you could wish for, and we remained unbeaten.
1 defeat in 11 games.
Always two ways of looking at it
It’s relegation form.
you're properly retarded, aren't you - i mean, it's great that you can use a keyboard and form something close to cogent thoughts and the rest, but really, relegation form over the last eleven games - it's guaranteed top half stuff, borderline play-off contention !
you're welcome to now list the numerous occasions that a team has been relegated with 67 points from a 46 game season, but i ain't going to hold my breath waiting for you to come up with examples
jesus....
edit: my bad - it's not guaranteed top half points accumulation; walsall once finished in 13th place with 67 points by virtue of scoring fewer goals than the team they were tied with (same goal difference)
That’s not very kind is it.
Glad you can call me retarded through your keyboard!
We can always have a discussion about our views over a pint if you like?
You may not resort into calling me retarded then.
Oh and please explain where I have said we have or will have 67 points?
Look at ferguasons previous seasons, we always end badly. Last season for example!
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Peterborough away
Shrewsbury away
Scunthorpe away
Portsmouth away
Everyone would have snapped your hand off to get 4 points from these fixtures, the home form has been poor.
But we've lost one game out of 11 games and we've people asking for the manager to be sacked.
Get a grip
I haven’t seen one post saying he should be sacked. What we are despairing at is Fergie tactics and constantly playing people out of position. Unable to defend corners week in week out.
Those four draws were excellent points yes.
Typical dickos. Kicking off about what he thinks people have said and biting at any hint of negativity.
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Our League position is about what I expected. However the football has often been tedious to watch. Slow and predictable build up, no width and not enough chances created. I really don't look forward to games at the moment.
I find myself agreeing with all of this TRB.
Given our budget we are doing marginally worse than you might expect with those resources. It is still very disjointed in terms of tactics, performance and results.
Perhaps this is a work in progress and things will come together next season. If we are in same place this time next season I would expect the Board to be asking very serious questions.
For now, we will likely be safe this season, so that is something at least.
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According to my records we were 17th in League One when Dickov walked out the door after the Gillingham game on 5th September 2016. Two years of Ferguson and we are now sitting at 15th in the same league. Is that the record of a successful manager? What I find disconcerting is his belief that draws and a mediocre performance are acceptable.
We have picked up only 6 points from the last 7 games and that is the record of a team that would be relegated over a full season. Don’t be fooled by our current mid-table position as most teams in League One have games in hand over us and that will drive our true position down. Unless we pick up more points soon we could be in trouble.
The squad we have at the moment are not tough enough to cope with the nasty physical side that comes at the end of every season. I would swap ALL our strikers for one Billy Sharp any day.
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We are ten points off the last play off place and six points off the last relegation place, with most teams below us having games in hand on us. Our goal difference is vastly superior to just about any team below us currently.
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This forum can forever discuss the merits and shortcomings of individual players and the manager, but it's points and the table position that really matters. We are looking pretty precarious right now if most teams around us win their games in hand.
I don't want to ever see League Two ever again.
RTID.
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Oh and please explain where I have said we have or will have 67 points?
the eleven games which you consider to be relegation form have yielded 16 points; as our colonial cousins would say, you do the math (to extrapolate that over an entire season...)
and as for your very civil invitation, no thanks, i'm just a gobshite keyboard warrior who, as everyone will confirm, has neither courage in my convictions, principles or sense of common decency - best ignored - but that doesn't make you any less wrong ;)
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This forum can forever discuss the merits and shortcomings of individual players and the manager, but it's points and the table position that really matters. We are looking pretty precarious right now if most teams around us win their games in hand.
I don't want to ever see League Two ever again.
RTID.
Those of us who remember the many years we dallied with relegation from the football league until our eventual ridiculous demise never want a return to league 2. Saying that I too am not a Fergie fan. Absolute dross. Peterborough were there for the taking, yes great comeback at Shrewsbury, but I am not looking forward to home matches at the moment and I do feel we are in real danger!
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Oh and please explain where I have said we have or will have 67 points?
the eleven games which you consider to be relegation form have yielded 16 points; as our colonial cousins would say, you do the math (to extrapolate that over an entire season...)
and as for your very civil invitation, no thanks, i'm just a gobshite keyboard warrior who, as everyone will confirm, has neither courage in my convictions, principles or sense of common decency - best ignored - but that doesn't make you any less wrong ;)
I only refrenced no win in 8.
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Peterborough away
Shrewsbury away
Scunthorpe away
Portsmouth away
Everyone would have snapped your hand off to get 4 points from these fixtures, the home form has been poor.
But we've lost one game out of 11 games and we've people asking for the manager to be sacked.
Get a grip
I haven’t seen one post saying he should be sacked. What we are despairing at is Fergie tactics and constantly playing people out of position. Unable to defend corners week in week out.
Those four draws were excellent points yes.
You're not looking properly then, opening post says he should be considering his own position, another says he won't be going again until he's left the club, another stating he's clueless.
Not many clubs will have supporters stating nonsense like this after a run of 1 defeat in 11 games
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According to my records we were 17th in League One when Dickov walked out the door after the Gillingham game on 5th September 2016. Two years of Ferguson and we are now sitting at 15th in the same league. Is that the record of a successful manager? What I find disconcerting is his belief that draws and a mediocre performance are acceptable.
We have picked up only 6 points from the last 7 games and that is the record of a team that would be relegated over a full season. Don’t be fooled by our current mid-table position as most teams in League One have games in hand over us and that will drive our true position down. Unless we pick up more points soon we could be in trouble.
The squad we have at the moment are not tough enough to cope with the nasty physical side that comes at the end of every season. I would swap ALL our strikers for one Billy Sharp any day.
You're taking away games against some of the best sides in the division and using that as a formula over 46 games
Utter nonsense
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Peterborough away
Shrewsbury away
Scunthorpe away
Portsmouth away
Everyone would have snapped your hand off to get 4 points from these fixtures, the home form has been poor.
But we've lost one game out of 11 games and we've people asking for the manager to be sacked.
Get a grip
I haven’t seen one post saying he should be sacked. What we are despairing at is Fergie tactics and constantly playing people out of position. Unable to defend corners week in week out.
Those four draws were excellent points yes.
You're not looking properly then, opening post says he should be considering his own position, another says he won't be going again until he's left the club, another stating he's clueless.
Not many clubs will have supporters stating nonsense like this after a run of 1 defeat in 11 games
But neither of the two examples you have quoted are asking for the manager to be sacked.
Six points from the last seven games is another way of looking at things as well.
As you can tell from the majority of posts on this thread though, there is concern about our current position.
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We haven't won a game this year. We have played 7 league games and drawn 6 and lost 1. That gave us 0.85 points per game. over a season that average would mean we finished with 39 points. That is relegation form.
Also this year, we lost a lucrative FA cup match against (bottom of the table?) Rochdale.
Just shows how stats can be manipulated to make a point.
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Despite who is manager we only have players who at the moment are good enough to tread water in this league. That’s why we will finish in the bottom half of the league. At worst we might get relegated. DF makes mistakes like all managers but we haven’t got the squad to make improvements in performance.
We need to start at the academy if we were a category 2 academy we would attract better players we would play in premier league 2 U23 league northern section and premier league cup. We can then say we were bringing young players through who can step up.
Al these things either bringing quality players or improving the academy cost money.
Instead let’s blame DF for not getting the best out of the players we have. When we should all realise a majority of players will not take us forward to where the board want us to be.
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Peterborough away
Shrewsbury away
Scunthorpe away
Portsmouth away
Everyone would have snapped your hand off to get 4 points from these fixtures, the home form has been poor.
But we've lost one game out of 11 games and we've people asking for the manager to be sacked.
Get a grip
I haven’t seen one post saying he should be sacked. What we are despairing at is Fergie tactics and constantly playing people out of position. Unable to defend corners week in week out.
Those four draws were excellent points yes.
You're not looking properly then, opening post says he should be considering his own position, another says he won't be going again until he's left the club, another stating he's clueless.
Not many clubs will have supporters stating nonsense like this after a run of 1 defeat in 11 games
But neither of the two examples you have quoted are asking for the manager to be sacked.
Six points from the last seven games is another way of looking at things as well.
As you can tell from the majority of posts on this thread though, there is concern about our current position.
Yep, from the same old people.
1 defeat from 11games 8 games, 6 games whichever what you want to look at it, is not disastrous form is it.
The fixtures we've had since 1st Jan have been extremely tough on paper and we've lost 1.
Always going to be the same people waiting for something to moan about.
We're 2 points off 11th place.
We are midtable, everyone said they'd be happy with midtable,
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Clearly dickos, you live in a blinkered world where until it is confirmed we are relegated (hopefully not!) you will not accept that we are only just skimming above the drop zone with only 6 points of safety and other clubs have games in hand. If you want to think everything is hunky dory and we are fine go ahead, but you can't expect the rest of us to ignore facts.
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Shoot the manager,shoot the ref :suicide:. I believe the idea is you support your team through thick and thin. The manager picks the team for us to support and they need the fans encouragement to deliver the best performance on the pitch. We are a new league one team and are holding our own so far , if detractors can offer constructive alternative to what we have which will improve our present position then I will listen ,until then DRFC as a whole have my 100% support.
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Clearly dickos, you live in a blinkered world where until it is confirmed we are relegated (hopefully not!) you will not accept that we are only just skimming above the drop zone with only 6 points of safety and other clubs have games in hand. If you want to think everything is hunky dory and we are fine go ahead, but you can't expect the rest of us to ignore facts.
Michael are blaming DF for our position solely?
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Clearly dickos, you live in a blinkered world where until it is confirmed we are relegated (hopefully not!) you will not accept that we are only just skimming above the drop zone with only 6 points of safety and other clubs have games in hand. If you want to think everything is hunky dory and we are fine go ahead, but you can't expect the rest of us to ignore facts.
The facts are we've lost one game in 11 and are 2 points off the top half
6 points off relegation is more than it has been for majority of this season
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Shoot the manager,shoot the ref :suicide:. I believe the idea is you support your team through thick and thin. The manager picks the team for us to support and they need the fans encouragement to deliver the best performance on the pitch. We are a new league one team and are holding our own so far , if detractors can offer constructive alternative to what we have which will improve our present position then I will listen ,until then DRFC as a whole have my 100% support.
I think we all give 100% support to the team.
I certainly do, but it doesn’t mean that I can’t show concern that we can’t seem to win a game.
Those who appear to be happy with that are welcome to their own opinion.
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Shoot the manager,shoot the ref :suicide:. I believe the idea is you support your team through thick and thin. The manager picks the team for us to support and they need the fans encouragement to deliver the best performance on the pitch. We are a new league one team and are holding our own so far , if detractors can offer constructive alternative to what we have which will improve our present position then I will listen ,until then DRFC as a whole have my 100% support.
I think we all give 100% support to the team.
I certainly do, but it doesn’t mean that I can’t show concern that we can’t seem to win a game.
Those who appear to be happy with that are welcome to their own opinion.
I can't see anyone saying they are happy with that, what I can see are folk saying things are not as bad as other folk make out
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DICKOS I admire your loyalty ( if that is the right word ) to all things
DRFC but you really do need to take your blinkers off.
I consider myself to be one of the most positive posters on this site, Always looking for the positives not the negatives. But reality is what is staring us in our faces. DF is not improving this team, in fact I feel at times we are going backwards. Allowances need to be made due the age of many of our players I will accept.
The problem is Fergie’s constant tinkering with formations and playing Mason, Rowe and Blair in particular out of position.
Tommy Rowe is our most creative player and yesterday he spent 75 mins in his own half. That is quite frankly ludicrous. Mason is a right back and needs to stay there as we don’t have anyone else better in the current squad. Blair is not a full back and should be playing further up the pitch where his pace can hurt the opposition.
Until DF gets this right we are going to continue to struggle to string positive results together.
Is it any wonder we score so few goals when the players that should be creating chances ( and scoring some goals themselves) are spending nearly all their time defending.
We created almost ZERO chances yesterday and got very luck at the death. Our starting formation yesterday was a joke. :headbang:
The opposition must be laughing when they see our best player at left back. :facepalm:
DICKOS open your eyes and take those red and white hooped tinted glasses off and be HONEST. Do you really think everything is well with the way DF is running the tactical side of the team. What about our continual inability to defend corners? It’s an epidemic which HAS TO BE SORTED.
The next two matches have to yield 4 points or we are in a relegation battle. FACT not FICTION. :that: :rtid: :scarf:
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In my humble opinion there is no doubt that Fergie has improved the overall organisation, and standard of this clubs playing standards.
Most of that improvement has been at levels below the first team, although I do believe that we are better at that level than we were the day he stepped through the door.
That is part of my frustration, I have seen every game both last and this season, and even though we got promotion, and are not doing that bad this season I feel we could have last season, and this, done better at first team level.
Some of the repetitive mistakes by individual players seem to get overlooked or forgiven whatever, while other players seem to be dropped, and even frozen out when playing no worse than others who retain their places.
Whether it is a man management problem, or an attitude of, I rule the roost, and it's my way or the highway, who knows?
What I cannot understand, is why a manager who has put a great structure into the club, is willing to try different formations, sometimes changing it 3 times in a game, cannot see what I think the majority of our supporters see, and that is that he plays some of our players in positions that do not suit their ability.
It does the players no favours, the team suffers, and pressure builds on himself.
The last thing I want is Fergie to be sacked, I think overall he has done a great job with our teams as a whole, promotion this season was not on my agender, a mid table finish is quite acceptable to me. But as happened yesterday, when we play poorly, field a team that again has a couple of changes, even though we had a good result, and team display the game before, as a supporter I reserve the right to criticise, but it is only my opinion on what I think on a discussion forum, not something to fall out about between ourselves, or make personal insults about.
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:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:How can we compare Fergie to Dickov, but I guess you can? Yes, Fergie can be frustrating with his selections, formations and substitutions but we are playing better football compared to what Dickov served up were after week IMO. I'm not particularly happy with the football we are being served at the moment, however we have had 3 centre backs injured in one week, 2 loanees who are doing there best and will take time to adjust, no proper left back since Andrew got injured, no right back (and that is Fergie's fault), two players serious injuries/illness ( McCullough and Alex ?). Yes it's all his fault perhaps but there again he is doing that best with what he has. Onwards and upwards and we will be in L1 next season.
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I agree Brian about the club as a whole and the youth set up has improved. DRFC is a very well run club and I believe the club has grown in stature and is well respected in the football world.
The problem is as you can see also is the tactics on the field of play.
DF is confusing the players with his indecision on positions and formations. The players need stability and to understand their roles within a team structure.
Dean Saunders team may not have played the purist football but by heck IT WAS A TEAM.
I don’t want DF sacked ( unless we get relegated ) but next season is a big one and we need to see a team structure and a way of playing which gets the best out of his squad. Next season anything less than top 8 ( hopefully top 6 ) I would deem as failure. We must at least be in a challenging position for the play offs come April 2019.
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Let's all draw breath!
Games in hand mean nothing points on the board is what matters, are we all assuming that all the teams below us with games in hand will win them all? They are below us for a reason. There is no doubt that a couple of wins will do us a world of good, in fact 3 more and a couple of draws should see us safe let's start to worry come April if said points haven't been won
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Obviously they all won't win all their games in hand but some of them are bound to.
Realistically we need 12-15 points, I reckon.
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You really think some of them will win all their games in hand, we can only play some of them once
We aren't far apart then in points needed, so we nearly agree
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You really think some of them will win all their games in hand, we can only play some of them once
We aren't far apart then in points needed, so we nearly agree
Well seeing as most of them will have only one or two games in hand, yes, why can’t some teams win one or two games?
Also, yes 12-15 point should see us safe, I bet almost every one of us will agree on that.
It does seem as though it is getting harder getting there with our current inability to get a win.
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You really think some of them will win all their games in hand
Why not? it's getting towards that time of year where freak results and random runs of form come out of nowhere.
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Obviously they all won't win all their games in hand but some of them are bound to.
Realistically we need 12-15 points, I reckon.
According to the old Stubbs method, the team finishing 4th bottom this year will get 44 points.
Not sure I believe it myself, but I’ve said that in the past and it’s never been out by more than a point or two.
So I’ll stick my neck out. Two more wins and we’re safe.
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Obviously they all won't win all their games in hand but some of them are bound to.
Realistically we need 12-15 points, I reckon.
According to the old Stubbs method, the team finishing 4th bottom this year will get 44 points.
Not sure I believe it myself, but I’ve said that in the past and it’s never been out by more than a point or two.
So I’ll stick my neck out. Two more wins and we’re safe.
BST I think you are sticking your neck out on that one. I will be surprised if the team finishing 4th from bottom doesn’t get 50 points this season.
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Ah well work in the morning
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Campsall.
I’m just using a method that worked in to within a point or two every season from 12/13 to 15/16. I didn’t use it last year because there really wasn’t much point as we were promoted before the Christmas decorations were down.
No idea if there’s any rhyme or reason behind my method but it was extraordinarily accurate for 4 years from a long way out from the end of each season.
It’s based on looking at the form of all the sides in the bottom half (or top half if you’re interested in promotion) and extrapolating that through to the end of the season. It doesn’t assume that teams who are in good or bad form will stay in good or bad form. It’s more about assuming that if one team picks up in form, it’s likely that another one will drop off. So you can kind of estimate average points returns for the whole pack and predict the points that the side that finally finishes in each position will get.
I’d be delighted if it broke down this year because then I could put it to bed. But since it’s been so accurate in previous seasons, I figured it was worth trotting out again.
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DICKOS I admire your loyalty ( if that is the right word ) to all things
DRFC but you really do need to take your blinkers off.
I consider myself to be one of the most positive posters on this site, Always looking for the positives not the negatives. But reality is what is staring us in our faces. DF is not improving this team, in fact I feel at times we are going backwards. Allowances need to be made due the age of many of our players I will accept.
The problem is Fergie’s constant tinkering with formations and playing Mason, Rowe and Blair in particular out of position.
Tommy Rowe is our most creative player and yesterday he spent 75 mins in his own half. That is quite frankly ludicrous. Mason is a right back and needs to stay there as we don’t have anyone else better in the current squad. Blair is not a full back and should be playing further up the pitch where his pace can hurt the opposition.
Until DF gets this right we are going to continue to struggle to string positive results together.
Is it any wonder we score so few goals when the players that should be creating chances ( and scoring some goals themselves) are spending nearly all their time defending.
We created almost ZERO chances yesterday and got very luck at the death. Our starting formation yesterday was a joke. :headbang:
The opposition must be laughing when they see our best player at left back. :facepalm:
DICKOS open your eyes and take those red and white hooped tinted glasses off and be HONEST. Do you really think everything is well with the way DF is running the tactical side of the team. What about our continual inability to defend corners? It’s an epidemic which HAS TO BE SORTED.
The next two matches have to yield 4 points or we are in a relegation battle. FACT not FICTION. :that: :rtid: :scarf:
If we win on Tuesday we're likely to go 11th, that's not a relegation battle, even if we then lose on Saturday.
I've said many times when he's got things wrong, Wigan away for example, Scunthorpe away, and yes on Saturday.
But all managers make decisions that supporters don't agree with, listen to talk sport you'll get Man U fans, arsenal fans, Liverpool fans all complaining about their manager.
But the facts are we've lost one game out of 11, we're midtable, a place where most of the complainers said they'd snap your hand off for.
The whole meaning of midtable means your not that far off the relegation zone,
As for going backwards, we've played 32 games this season, the first 16 games we got 18 points the second 16 games we've got 21 points. From much tougher fixtures. Not going backwards are we.
I can't believe you say you try to be positive
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What position would we be in if he played players in their right position? Creative players like Rowe and Blair providing the passes for Marquis to score from. ( I wonder why we haven’t been scoring many goals 😜),That’s the question that should be asked. We have chased too many games this season because Fergie has set the team up wrong from the start.
We have good individual players who should do well in this league. Problem is they don’t know from one week to the next where they will be playing.
Give us a settled team with creative players playing in positions that can hurt defences. Some of the football I’ve seen down at the Keepmoat recently is the worst I’ve watched in a long long time.
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DICKOS I admire your loyalty ( if that is the right word ) to all things
DRFC but you really do need to take your blinkers off.
I consider myself to be one of the most positive posters on this site, Always looking for the positives not the negatives. But reality is what is staring us in our faces. DF is not improving this team, in fact I feel at times we are going backwards. Allowances need to be made due the age of many of our players I will accept.
The problem is Fergie’s constant tinkering with formations and playing Mason, Rowe and Blair in particular out of position.
Tommy Rowe is our most creative player and yesterday he spent 75 mins in his own half. That is quite frankly ludicrous. Mason is a right back and needs to stay there as we don’t have anyone else better in the current squad. Blair is not a full back and should be playing further up the pitch where his pace can hurt the opposition.
Until DF gets this right we are going to continue to struggle to string positive results together.
Is it any wonder we score so few goals when the players that should be creating chances ( and scoring some goals themselves) are spending nearly all their time defending.
We created almost ZERO chances yesterday and got very luck at the death. Our starting formation yesterday was a joke. :headbang:
The opposition must be laughing when they see our best player at left back. :facepalm:
DICKOS open your eyes and take those red and white hooped tinted glasses off and be HONEST. Do you really think everything is well with the way DF is running the tactical side of the team. What about our continual inability to defend corners? It’s an epidemic which HAS TO BE SORTED.
The next two matches have to yield 4 points or we are in a relegation battle. FACT not FICTION. :that: :rtid: :scarf:
If we win on Tuesday we're likely to go 11th, that's not a relegation battle, even if we then lose on Saturday.
I've said many times when he's got things wrong, Wigan away for example, Scunthorpe away, and yes on Saturday.
But all managers make decisions that supporters don't agree with, listen to talk sport you'll get Man U fans, arsenal fans, Liverpool fans all complaining about their manager.
But the facts are we've lost one game out of 11, we're midtable, a place where most of the complainers said they'd snap your hand off for.
The whole meaning of midtable means your not that far off the relegation zone,
As for going backwards, we've played 32 games this season, the first 16 games we got 18 points the second 16 games we've got 21 points. From much tougher fixtures. Not going backwards are we.
I can't believe you say you try to be positive
You don’t read my posts then as I have spent most of the last 2 years on this site moaning about the moaners on here.
Dickos it’s not our league position that is relevant it is the number of points above the bottom 4 that is relevant. We are 6 points off a relegation place.
You keep bringing up the last 11 matches to suit your argument.
The FACT is we have not won a match since beating Rochdale in the league on 29th Dec.
So 2018 is winless FACT. You can dress it up anyway you wish but IF we do not WIN one of the next two matches the WE ARE IN A RELEGATION SCRAP. Irrelevant of our league position.
CAN YOU NOT remember JAN to MARCH 2016 when we went 16 league games without a win.
I am not suggesting that is going to happen again but if you cannot see why people are concerned at the present winless run then you are not living in the same world as the rest of us.
Negativity and concern are two totally different things aren’t they?
Having said all that as I am a very positive, glass half full person, I think we might beat both Walsall
( well over due a win against them ) and Fleetwood. :thumbsup: BUT IF WE DONT WIN at least ONE then well. ???
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Here’s a simple argument why it’s unlikely (not impossible, but unlikely) that the team finishing 4th bottom will get 50 points as several people on here are suggesting.
To get 50 points, this is how many points per game the bottom 9 sides would need from now to the end of the season.
Bury 1.79
Rochdale 1.32
MK Dons 1.25
Oldham 1.21
Wimbledon 1.07
Blackpool 1.07
Northampton 1.00
Fleetwood 0.88
Walsall 0.81
So one of the bottom four would have to significantly improve on its season long form, AND Wimbledon, Blackpool and Northampton would have to maintain their season long form AND Fleetwood and Walsall would have to not have a slight dip.
Not impossible but very unlikely.
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Ok forgetting the 3 wins over Christmas it’s now 6 draws and a defeat - less than a point a game.
However those away games have brought very good points, Shrewsbury 2nd place, Scunny in play offs and Posh/Pompey pushing for top 6.
Home draws with Plymouth who are the form side in the division, and a decent Charlton team.
The one defeat coming when the defensive injury situation meant the result was almost inevitable.
The performance was poor on Saturday but for the most part Rovers have been decent in the other matches.
I remember saying after the 0-3 against Walsall that we needed to grind out a few 0-0s and become harder to beat.
We are now difficult to beat and looking at the late goals we’ve got in those draws the mentality has improved in that we don’t give up.
Next three games are very important but with the new players hopefully settling down we could pick up 5/7 points and be comfortably in top half by end of the month.
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Yep. And that is the difference between this side and the 15/16 rabble.
Two years ago we were gutless and soft as shite. We were going through the motions in matches with no one putting in a shift and busting a gut. That is why we went down, because we rolled over meekly against some very poor opponents.
This year’s side has found some steel which I honestly didn’t think they had back in September. We’ve lost one match in 12 in the league and that was the culmination of losing all three Centre halves in 7 days. We’ve played four promotion contenders in the past 3 weeks and Charlton are the only ones to make us look second best. In that spell, we became one of only 4 teams this season to avoid defeat away at the side with the best home record in the division.
This side has flaws for sure but it also has somefight and determination. That’ll do me for this season.
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Yep. And that is the difference between this side and the 15/16 rabble.
Two years ago we were gutless and soft as shite. We were going through the motions in matches with no one putting in a shift and busting a gut. That is why we went down, because we rolled over meekly against some very poor opponents.
This year’s side has found some steel which I honestly didn’t think they had back in September. We’ve lost one match in 12 in the league and that was the culmination of losing all three Centre halves in 7 days. We’ve played four promotion contenders in the past 3 weeks and Charlton are the only ones to make us look second best. In that spell, we became one of only 4 teams this season to avoid defeat away at the side with the best home record in the division.
This side has flaws for sure but it also has somefight and determination. That’ll do me for this season.
We were second best at Scunthorpe until the last 15-20 mins
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Possibly Filo. In another match when we lost a key player early on and had to patch up the Defence.
Even then, Scunny only looked like scoring from bad mistakes by Lawlor. I thought we mostly kept them comfortably at bay which was some achievement given that we only had 1 fit Centre half after the first 20 mins.
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Here’s a simple argument why it’s unlikely (not impossible, but unlikely) that the team finishing 4th bottom will get 50 points as several people on here are suggesting.
To get 50 points, this is how many points per game the bottom 9 sides would need from now to the end of the season.
Bury 1.79
Rochdale 1.32
MK Dons 1.25
Oldham 1.21
Wimbledon 1.07
Blackpool 1.07
Northampton 1.00
Fleetwood 0.88
Walsall 0.81
So one of the bottom four would have to significantly improve on its season long form, AND Wimbledon, Blackpool and Northampton would have to maintain their season long form AND Fleetwood and Walsall would have to not have a slight dip.
Not impossible but very unlikely.
Last season 50 points was the bare minimum to stay up in League One. Interestingly in the Championship, where only three go down, Blackburn were relegated with 51 points.
50-53 will probably be the safety mark. Let's hope we achieve it with a game or two to spare.
We're on 39 now so three wins should be enough, given our capacity for drawing games. Fleetwood, Bury, AFC Wimbledon and Oxford at home are the games we need to be targeting. Best chances of away wins are Blackpool, MK Dons and Oldham. A draw tomorrow and a win on Saturday would be real steps in the right direction and the Rotherham game can be treated as a bit of a freebie.
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TRB
Last season is irrelevant.
The safety target varies year in year from 40-54 points. The fact that it was 50 last year has no relevance in what the target will be this year.
I would give you very, very long odds on 53 points being needed to stay up. That would require four of five from MK Dons, Oldham, Wimbledon, Blackpool and Northampton to significantly improve on their season long form. And Fleetwood and Walsall not to have a dip in form. It’s not impossible but it’s stretching the boundaries.
This conversation sounds familiar from previous years.
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It is a shame that the old Statto site has died a death because it enabled you to look at the points spreads at this stage of previous seasons.
I agree that a particular previous season has no impact on the current one, but it is interesting to get an idea of what the table looked like after x-number of games.
I'll guarantee two things though based on previous experience: at least one team that is currently in big trouble will stay up with a bit to spare. And one club currently looking safe (and probably still targeting the play-offs) will be sweating on the final day.
EDIT. Last season in League One the bottom four teams after 32 games were the four teams that went down. I was thinking to the two previous seasons (2014-15 and 2015-16).
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TRB
Yes, sometimes (certainly not guaranteed) a side in trouble pulls itself out. But as you say, equally often a side that is relatively comfortable, 12-16 games out falls apart. (Unfortunately of course, that was us in 13/14 and 15/16.)
My point about 53 being the target is that it requires four sides currently in the bottom 7 to significantly up their form and no side above that to fall apart. That’s highly unlikely.
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How often do you see a team do really well one season, when the year before they were mediocre with the same manager and mostly the same squad?
A set of decent players can have bad days, individually or as a team.
How do you measure confidence vs form? Yes managers make mistakes too with formation etc but the players still have to perform.
This is why these players are in league 1, the inconsistency you get. Unlikely as it seems, we could win 10 more games this season, equally we could win 2.
Does this mean the manager isn't good enough, or just a reflection of where we are?
At least on a day when it seems like everyone says we were crap, we didn't lose.
A couple of wins this month and everything will appear rosy again.
As for someone's comment about never wanting to be in the 4th division again, I would rather we weren't, but we may well have bad times again as well as good. It's a cliche but that's football at this level.
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DICKOS I admire your loyalty ( if that is the right word ) to all things
DRFC but you really do need to take your blinkers off.
I consider myself to be one of the most positive posters on this site, Always looking for the positives not the negatives. But reality is what is staring us in our faces. DF is not improving this team, in fact I feel at times we are going backwards. Allowances need to be made due the age of many of our players I will accept.
The problem is Fergie’s constant tinkering with formations and playing Mason, Rowe and Blair in particular out of position.
Tommy Rowe is our most creative player and yesterday he spent 75 mins in his own half. That is quite frankly ludicrous. Mason is a right back and needs to stay there as we don’t have anyone else better in the current squad. Blair is not a full back and should be playing further up the pitch where his pace can hurt the opposition.
Until DF gets this right we are going to continue to struggle to string positive results together.
Is it any wonder we score so few goals when the players that should be creating chances ( and scoring some goals themselves) are spending nearly all their time defending.
We created almost ZERO chances yesterday and got very luck at the death. Our starting formation yesterday was a joke. :headbang:
The opposition must be laughing when they see our best player at left back. :facepalm:
DICKOS open your eyes and take those red and white hooped tinted glasses off and be HONEST. Do you really think everything is well with the way DF is running the tactical side of the team. What about our continual inability to defend corners? It’s an epidemic which HAS TO BE SORTED.
The next two matches have to yield 4 points or we are in a relegation battle. FACT not FICTION. :that: :rtid: :scarf:
If we win on Tuesday we're likely to go 11th, that's not a relegation battle, even if we then lose on Saturday.
I've said many times when he's got things wrong, Wigan away for example, Scunthorpe away, and yes on Saturday.
But all managers make decisions that supporters don't agree with, listen to talk sport you'll get Man U fans, arsenal fans, Liverpool fans all complaining about their manager.
But the facts are we've lost one game out of 11, we're midtable, a place where most of the complainers said they'd snap your hand off for.
The whole meaning of midtable means your not that far off the relegation zone,
As for going backwards, we've played 32 games this season, the first 16 games we got 18 points the second 16 games we've got 21 points. From much tougher fixtures. Not going backwards are we.
I can't believe you say you try to be positive
You don’t read my posts then as I have spent most of the last 2 years on this site moaning about the moaners on here.
Dickos it’s not our league position that is relevant it is the number of points above the bottom 4 that is relevant. We are 6 points off a relegation place.
You keep bringing up the last 11 matches to suit your argument.
The FACT is we have not won a match since beating Rochdale in the league on 29th Dec.
So 2018 is winless FACT. You can dress it up anyway you wish but IF we do not WIN one of the next two matches the WE ARE IN A RELEGATION SCRAP. Irrelevant of our league position.
CAN YOU NOT remember JAN to MARCH 2016 when we went 16 league games without a win.
I am not suggesting that is going to happen again but if you cannot see why people are concerned at the present winless run then you are not living in the same world as the rest of us.
Negativity and concern are two totally different things aren’t they?
Having said all that as I am a very positive, glass half full person, I think we might beat both Walsall
( well over due a win against them ) and Fleetwood. :thumbsup: BUT IF WE DONT WIN at least ONE then well. ???
You and many others have stated you'd be delighted with a midtable finish.
How many points do you think a midtable side will be off the relegation zone? Bournemouth are 10th in prem and only 5 points off relegation zone. It's what happens when you're midtable.
So if you're perceiving midtable as a successful season then you then can't complain anbojt being 6 points above the relegation zone!
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Huddersfield are three points off mid table but one point away from the bottom three.
Would you be happy with that if we were in the same position?
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Huddersfield are three points off mid table but one point away from the bottom three.
Would you be happy with that if we were in the same position?
I’d be happy, it would mean we’d made it to the Premier League!
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Huddersfield are three points off mid table but one point away from the bottom three.
Would you be happy with that if we were in the same position?
I’d be happy, it would mean we’d made it to the Premier League!
Nice one Nick, I like that.
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Huddersfield are three points off mid table but one point away from the bottom three.
Would you be happy with that if we were in the same position?
Bit of a strange comparison
Huddersfield are one place above the relegation zone and have spent the last few weeks in the relegation zone.
When were we in the relegation zone this season?
Never!
Fact is we're far closer to the top half than the relegation zone yet nobody is mentioning he top half you're all mentioning the relegation zone.
Not that long ago you were saying it looked highly unlikely we would make midtable, now we've achieved it you're still going on about the relegation zone
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Huddersfield are three points off mid table but one point away from the bottom three.
Would you be happy with that if we were in the same position?
Bit of a strange comparison
Huddersfield are one place above the relegation zone and have spent the last few weeks in the relegation zone.
When were we in the relegation zone this season?
Never!
Fact is we're far closer to the top half than the relegation zone yet nobody is mentioning he top half you're all mentioning the relegation zone.
Not that long ago you were saying it looked highly unlikely we would make midtable, now we've achieved it you're still going on about the relegation zone
I don’t think I have ever said it was unlikely that we would make mid table.
I have said that I would be delighted if we finish there.
As things stand we are 10 points from the top six and 6 points from the bottom four so in my view, to be genuinely mid table we should be equidistant from both, so 8 points away from both of the aforementioned.
That would obviously be 41 points as things are now, indeed the team in 12th place (actual mid table) has 41 points.
So, to make this clear, we are still not clear of the bottom four especially given our current inability to win a game.
I think you need to understand that concerned supporters are seeing that unless we do start winning some games we are very likely to slip down towards the drop zone.
We have slipped to 15th place from 11th over the last couple of weeks.
This is not being negative, it is simply looking at the facts and considering what might happen.
There is no use adopting the ostrich stance and hoping that everything is going to be ok.
Two years ago when that terrible run had begun there were people saying that we wouldn’t go down, we are bound to win some games, but we all know what happened don’t we.
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Mate
I think your exact words were "the top ten is nothing but a pipe dream"
And " I would gladly take a midtable finish but I have my doubts"
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Midtable is exactly the same number of points from the top as the bottom. I honestly don't think I've ever heard anything like that.
Midtable is 9th-10th down to 15th-16th.
We're closer to the top half so why aren't you mentioning this? We could be 11th in 24 hours we can't be in the relegation zone
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Midtable is exactly the same number of points from the top as the bottom. I honestly don't think I've ever heard anything like that.
Midtable is 9th-10th down to 15th-16th.
We're closer to the top half so why aren't you mentioning this? We could be 11th in 24 hours we can't be in the relegation zone
Dickos why do you make an argument about everything. Can you not see we are in danger of slipping into a relegation battle. Yes IF we win tomorrow night things will look much roseier. But even a draw means we need to win on Saturday or at 4-55pm on Saturday we will possibly be only 3 points or even less above the drop zone.
We are not being negative, just pointing out the REALITY, something you will not, or don’t want or cannot grasp.
Dickos I admire you only see positives but you need to accept we are in a mid table position but as the league stands there are around 14 teams which could get relegated and we are one of them.
If we finish 14th I think most people will be happy but 14th at the present time is precarious because of the points gap between us and 21st. So with 14 games to play we are a long way from being safe.
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Just read what you've put.
Nothing about moving up all about going down the table. Half empty or half full, what you've said could just as easily be said
Can u not see we're in danger of reaching the top ten, yes if we lose tomorrow it will look worse,
I'm just pointing out the REALITY something you will not grasp!
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It is a shame that the old Statto site has died a death because it enabled you to look at the points spreads at this stage of previous seasons.
I agree that a particular previous season has no impact on the current one, but it is interesting to get an idea of what the table looked like after x-number of games.
I'll guarantee two things though based on previous experience: at least one team that is currently in big trouble will stay up with a bit to spare. And one club currently looking safe (and probably still targeting the play-offs) will be sweating on the final day.
EDIT. Last season in League One the bottom four teams after 32 games were the four teams that went down. I was thinking to the two previous seasons (2014-15 and 2015-16).
Does anyone want to give me a price on a team getting relegated from L1 this season with 51 points? That will be the cut off. We will get about 58 points.
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Just read what you've put.
Nothing about moving up all about going down the table. Half empty or half full, what you've said could just as easily be said
Can u not see we're in danger of reaching the top ten, yes if we lose tomorrow it will look worse,
I'm just pointing out the REALITY something you will not grasp!
Now you are being pathetic. Grow up. I am trying to have an adult discussion on this forum.
Yes we could finish in the top 6 Are you happy now?
WE HAVE TAKEN 6 POINTS FROM THE LAST 7 GAMES. IT IS OUR RECENT POINTS TALLY THAT IS OF CONCERN.
Look Dickos i genuinely think we will stay up comfortably. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?
Discussion CLOSED OK as you cannot accept anything you see on here that’s not to your liking.
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Campsall.
Yes we’ve only taken six points from seven games. But we’ve had a major injury crisis in that period and 6 of those seven games have been against title/promotion/play-off contenders.
The one easier match we had on paper (Bristol Rovers) coincided with the peak of our defensive crisis which was unfortunate.
I’m struggling to see why more people in here don’t see that context. It’s actually been a pretty decent haul of points from a fiercely difficult set of matches.
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Campsall.
Yes we’ve only taken six points from seven games. But we’ve had a major injury crisis in that period and 6 of those seven games have been against title/promotion/play-off contenders.
The one easier match we had on paper (Bristol Rovers) coincided with the peak of our defensive crisis which was unfortunate.
I’m struggling to see why more people in here don’t see that context. It’s actually been a pretty decent haul of points from a fiercely difficult set of matches.
I accept what you say BST but do you not agree 2 more matches without a win and we are in a relegation scrap. That’s all I am saying. Some of those away points were very creditable.
It has been the home matches since the new year that have not provided the points we needed.
It is not the defence that’s the problem ( except set pieces ) it is the lack of goals scored and on Saturday we didn’t create chances. That I hope was a one off.
DF has to play Tommy Rowe as an attacking midfielder. He will create the chances if he is given the role his abilities are best suited for the benefit of the team. Same goes to Matty Blair.
Mason and Garrett must play as full backs, that is what they are.
If DF does not do that we have problems. If he does we will be ok, in fact if he does we will finish in the top 10 that’s how significant I believe it is.
Onwards and upwards.
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It is a shame that the old Statto site has died a death because it enabled you to look at the points spreads at this stage of previous seasons.
I agree that a particular previous season has no impact on the current one, but it is interesting to get an idea of what the table looked like after x-number of games.
I'll guarantee two things though based on previous experience: at least one team that is currently in big trouble will stay up with a bit to spare. And one club currently looking safe (and probably still targeting the play-offs) will be sweating on the final day.
EDIT. Last season in League One the bottom four teams after 32 games were the four teams that went down. I was thinking to the two previous seasons (2014-15 and 2015-16).
Does anyone want to give me a price on a team getting relegated from L1 this season with 51 points? That will be the cut off. We will get about 58 points.
Aye. I’ll give you 1/5.
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Just read what you've put.
Nothing about moving up all about going down the table. Half empty or half full, what you've said could just as easily be said
Can u not see we're in danger of reaching the top ten, yes if we lose tomorrow it will look worse,
I'm just pointing out the REALITY something you will not grasp!
Now you are being pathetic. Grow up. I am trying to have an adult discussion on this forum.
Yes we could finish in the top 6 Are you happy now?
WE HAVE TAKEN 6 POINTS FROM THE LAST 7 GAMES. IT IS OUR RECENT POINTS TALLY THAT IS OF CONCERN.
Look Dickos i genuinely think we will stay up comfortably. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?
Discussion CLOSED OK as you cannot accept anything you see on here that’s not to your liking.
Typical of the negative crowd in here, their negativity gets questioned so they turn it into a slanging match.
Can't you see that nowhere any of you have mentioned winning and moving up the table?
Yesif we lose 2 or3 games in a row we could be in bother, but there's nothing at all to suggest we're going to lose 3 on the trot.
We've lost 1 out of 11
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Couldn’t agree more Campsall Rover, you are spot on. How many chances did we create on Saturday, I don’t remember their keeper needing to make any saves, other than from a great move in the first half when he saved from Marquis. Playing Rowe and Blair in defence is Madness, we need to create more chances and score more goals . These two players make things happen.
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Campsall, I've been saying for weeks now, that Tommy Rowe is our most potent door opener and should be played just in behind the 2 up front. Copps influence in that position is waning, as he gets older, and we should be a bit more progressive. Trouble is, who plays on the left side if TR moves in? Kongolo?
We haven't got the balance right in midfield all season and it shows with how many goals we have so far. Marquis and (whoever) have been feeding off scraps this season. Whiteman has to start earning his corn, as well.
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Just read what you've put.
Nothing about moving up all about going down the table. Half empty or half full, what you've said could just as easily be said
Can u not see we're in danger of reaching the top ten, yes if we lose tomorrow it will look worse,
I'm just pointing out the REALITY something you will not grasp!
Now you are being pathetic. Grow up. I am trying to have an adult discussion on this forum.
Yes we could finish in the top 6 Are you happy now?
WE HAVE TAKEN 6 POINTS FROM THE LAST 7 GAMES. IT IS OUR RECENT POINTS TALLY THAT IS OF CONCERN.
Look Dickos i genuinely think we will stay up comfortably. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?
Discussion CLOSED OK as you cannot accept anything you see on here that’s not to your liking.
Typical of the negative crowd in here, their negativity gets questioned so they turn it into a slanging match.
Can't you see that nowhere any of you have mentioned winning and moving up the table?
Yesif we lose 2 or3 games in a row we could be in bother, but there's nothing at all to suggest we're going to lose 3 on the trot.
We've lost 1 out of 11
Nothing to suggest that we'll win 3 on the trot either...
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Our build-up play is much too slow resulting in our forwards being crowded out with defenders. To rectify this problem DF has changed the forward partnering Marquis but not the style of play that is the problem in the first place!
I noticed on Saturday that Alfie Beestin was man of the match, and it reminded me of the two or three occasions when Alfie May was also man of the match before he became the scapegoat. It's only a matter of time before Beestin suffers the same fate as May unless our lethargic style of play changes.
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Just read what you've put.
Nothing about moving up all about going down the table. Half empty or half full, what you've said could just as easily be said
Can u not see we're in danger of reaching the top ten, yes if we lose tomorrow it will look worse,
I'm just pointing out the REALITY something you will not grasp!
Now you are being pathetic. Grow up. I am trying to have an adult discussion on this forum.
Yes we could finish in the top 6 Are you happy now?
WE HAVE TAKEN 6 POINTS FROM THE LAST 7 GAMES. IT IS OUR RECENT POINTS TALLY THAT IS OF CONCERN.
Look Dickos i genuinely think we will stay up comfortably. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?
Discussion CLOSED OK as you cannot accept anything you see on here that’s not to your liking.
Typical of the negative crowd in here, their negativity gets questioned so they turn it into a slanging match.
Can't you see that nowhere any of you have mentioned winning and moving up the table?
Yesif we lose 2 or3 games in a row we could be in bother, but there's nothing at all to suggest we're going to lose 3 on the trot.
We've lost 1 out of 11
Nothing to suggest that we'll win 3 on the trot either...
If we won 3 on the trot we'd be up near the playoffs I've not once suggested that's what will happen or even likely to happen.
We will probably get 4 or 5 points from the next 3 games which will mean we stay about where we are, midtable.
Lots of you going on about losing 3 games in a row though
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You are forgetting the best and first to suffer this fate B.B. Mandeville .
He played in the first few games when our midfield was that disjointed and slow, a two year old would have opened a bag of sweets quicker never mind a defence.
But the knockers said Marquis was a division 2 player and not up to this level, and Mandeville does not care and pulls funny faces.
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Yes Selby, Mandeville suffered the same fate too.
I only mentioned May as an example because I was comparing the Man of the match scenarios. I also recall thinking what the response would have been had May shot straight at the keeper like Marquis did on Saturday when it was easier to score.
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Be interesting to see how mandeville gets on at Colchester he got most of the 2nd half on Saturday and a quick view of their forum they weren't impressed describing him as looking lost.
I do rate him, he's got ability but maybe it's a poor attitude that's letting him down currently.
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Couldn’t agree more Campsall Rover, you are spot on. How many chances did we create on Saturday, I don’t remember their keeper needing to make any saves, other than from a great move in the first half when he saved from Marquis. Playing Rowe and Blair in defence is Madness, we need to create more chances and score more goals . These two players make things happen.
Ferguson has lost the plot,not knowing the obvious positions for his players. IMO of course. Cue Dickos
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Couldn’t agree more Campsall Rover, you are spot on. How many chances did we create on Saturday, I don’t remember their keeper needing to make any saves, other than from a great move in the first half when he saved from Marquis. Playing Rowe and Blair in defence is Madness, we need to create more chances and score more goals . These two players make things happen.
Ferguson has lost the plot,not knowing the obvious positions for his players. IMO of course. Cue Dickos
Crickey your being negative careful, you will have a certain person screaming at you.
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Cue Dicko's what?
Your opinion is precisely that, no qualms with that.
It's the constant negativity that gets to me if we lose tomorrow and then lose to Fleetwood and Rotherham we will be in a mess.
Well yes we will, but if we win all 3 we will be on verge of playoffs. And if we carry on in our current form we will end up where we are now.
Look back to September, October, November? Are we any closer to the relegation zone now, 5 months down the line? Or are we a bit higher up the table and unbeaten in 11 games?
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B.B. he did it at least 3 times against Rotherham in the development game last Tuesday from easier positions, but in fairness like Marquis on Saturday, made great runs across his marker to get to those positions.
Marquis was unlucky , as was Alfie, he took the shot early on the run, kept it low, and hit the target, the goalkeeper happened to be in the right place, as was the Rotherham goalkeeper.
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Couldn’t agree more Campsall Rover, you are spot on. How many chances did we create on Saturday, I don’t remember their keeper needing to make any saves, other than from a great move in the first half when he saved from Marquis. Playing Rowe and Blair in defence is Madness, we need to create more chances and score more goals . These two players make things happen.
Ferguson has lost the plot,not knowing the obvious positions for his players. IMO of course. Cue Dickos
Crickey your being negative careful, you will have a certain person screaming at you.
Ha ha and you tell me to grow up,
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B.B. he did it at least 3 times against Rotherham in the development game last Tuesday from easier positions, but in fairness like Marquis on Saturday, made great runs across his marker to get to those positions.
Marquis was unlucky , as was Alfie, he took the shot early on the run, kept it low, and hit the target, the goalkeeper happened to be in the right place, as was the Rotherham goalkeeper.
That doesn't answer my question though, Selby. I asked what the reaction would have been had May shot straight at the keeper like Marquis did on Saturday against Charlton. I'm quite sure that you, for one would have condemned May.
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This dikos bashing by two or three individuals is getting ridiculous, you can disagree without having sly digs at him in your posts, it's boring for the rest of us to read having to trawl through the bitching, it's bordering on cyber bullying!
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No BB he would have said Mandeville would have scored it :whistle:
only kidding Selby
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This dikos bashing by two or three individuals is getting ridiculous, you can disagree without having sly digs at him in your posts, it's boring for the rest of us to read having to trawl through the bitching, it's bordering on cyber bullying!
Wait a minute Filo. It’s a constant barrage from him after every post. I am simply trying to air my views on DRFC and am being constantly told I am being negative. That is boring now and to be honest I am not going to rise to the bait any longer. I will not be replying to any of his posts from now on.
Let’s see if he does the same?
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Campsall and I don't always see eye to eye but on this occasion I must defend him. Just because he shows concern about the run in doesn't mean he's being negative. Like many others like him who are also concerned, I'm sure he would love us to win every game and reach the playoffs.
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This dikos bashing by two or three individuals is getting ridiculous, you can disagree without having sly digs at him in your posts, it's boring for the rest of us to read having to trawl through the bitching, it's bordering on cyber bullying!
Wait a minute Filo. It’s a constant barrage from him after every post. I am simply trying to air my views on DRFC and am being constantly told I am being negative. That is boring now and to be honest I am not going to rise to the bait any longer. I will not be replying to any of his posts from now on.
Let’s see if he does the same?
A barrage??
The thing is you come out with this negative stuff and then when someone calls you out for being overly negative you either revert to a slanging match or complain that you're receiving a barrage.
It's about 4 or 5 posts mate, if you don't want anyone to disagree with you then don't post anything
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Bloody hell, we could do with a win tonight...
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B.B. I would not have been as disappointed as some of the other supporters, seeing as how you are hinting at wanting a reaction, I would have EXPECTED Alfie to miss it, and add to all his others
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Bloody hell, we could do with a win tonight...
That would be a positive, can't see it happening though!
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See what I mean Filo he’s still at it. It’s like a bloody Kindergarten on here at times.
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Right I am off to catch the coach in 40 mins.
Come on the Rovers let’s get those much needed 3 points.
I hope we have all got a smile on our faces at 9-45 this evening.
If he plays the right team/positions/formation then I think we will win.
:thumbsup:
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B.B. I would not have been as disappointed as some of the other supporters, seeing as how you are hinting at wanting a reaction, I would have EXPECTED Alfie to miss it, and add to all his others
Selby. You clearly aren't going on statistics then, but just what your eyes see and your clearly biased mind derives an opinion from.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/doncaster-rovers/top-scorers
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See what I mean Filo he’s still at it. It’s like a bloody Kindergarten on here at times.
See filo see, tell him tell him 😂😂
You're never just going to make posts and everyone agree with you fella. All the snide remarks and trying to have a pop just because I disagree with you is pathetic
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Mate
I think your exact words were "the top ten is nothing but a pipe dream"
And " I would gladly take a midtable finish but I have my doubts"
I have never said “the top ten is a pipe dream”.
It isn’t a phrase I use.
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You did mate
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Don’t know how you managed to edit that mate.
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Don’t know how you managed to edit that mate.
Not getting involved in this spat but he hasn’t edited it - look back through your own posts....
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Don’t know how you managed to edit that mate.
Not getting involved in this spat but he hasn’t edited it - look back through your own posts....
ha ha, obviously not got a sense of humour then Stockton.
Dear oh dear.
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Don’t know how you managed to edit that mate.
Not getting involved in this spat but he hasn’t edited it - look back through your own posts....
ha ha, obviously not got a sense of humour then Stockton.
Dear oh dear.
Oh I’ve got a sense of humour alright, but in the context of the series of posts it doesn’t particularly come across as humerous.
If it is indeed a humorous reposte a smiley would help with the context.
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Don’t know how you managed to edit that mate.
Not getting involved in this spat but he hasn’t edited it - look back through your own posts....
ha ha, obviously not got a sense of humour then Stockton.
Dear oh dear.
Oh I’ve got a sense of humour alright, but in the context of the series of posts it doesn’t particularly come across as humerous.
If it is indeed a humorous reposte a smiley would help with the context.
Just for you mate ;) :facepalm:
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Don’t know how you managed to edit that mate.
Not getting involved in this spat but he hasn’t edited it - look back through your own posts....
ha ha, obviously not got a sense of humour then Stockton.
Dear oh dear.
Oh I’ve got a sense of humour alright, but in the context of the series of posts it doesn’t particularly come across as humerous.
If it is indeed a humorous reposte a smiley would help with the context.
Just for you mate ;) :facepalm:
Cheers but don’t be a dick about it.
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Don’t know how you managed to edit that mate.
Not getting involved in this spat but he hasn’t edited it - look back through your own posts....
ha ha, obviously not got a sense of humour then Stockton.
Dear oh dear.
Oh I’ve got a sense of humour alright, but in the context of the series of posts it doesn’t particularly come across as humerous.
If it is indeed a humorous reposte a smiley would help with the context.
Just for you mate ;) :facepalm:
Cheers but don’t be a dick about it.
Not my fault you didn't see the funny side.
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No win in 9 now. Got to go clueless
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I do not usually call for the manager to go but I can see no progress.
JUST GO NOW.
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Just got back from the match. A shambles, it’s the players I feel sorry for because we have got some talent in this squad and DF is making fools out of them.
Started with 3 centre backs and Rowe and Blair wing backs.
3 ‘kids’ in midfield Kongolo 19, Houghton 20, Whiteman 20 another up front Beestin 19
Does This manager STILL not realise that 3 centre backs does not work with a midfield that was over run. McCulloch should have been in midfield with Houghton, Rowe and Blair with Mason and Garrett at full back.
One game too many for Beestin he needs a rest.
Last ten mins formation changed and we scored 2 goals.
Need I say any more.
P45 for Darren on Saturday at 5-00pm if we do not play a proper formation with round pegs in round holes and of course get 3 points.
This is the first time I have said the managers time is up even after relegation last time I said give him a chance to get us back up.
2016 is happening all over again that is 3 defeats and 6 draws in the last 9 matches including the defeat in th FA Cup to Rochdale.
My patience has gone WE NEED A CHANGE as this manager does not learn from his mistakes. He has lost the plot and is wrecking the confidence of the players. They were like lost sheep out there tonight.
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Couldn’t agree more Campsall. Despite performances showing otherwise he is so stubborn that he persists with 3 at the back.
After seeing the two loan centre half’s on Saturday it was clear to me that they are not mobile enough to play in a 3 at the back.
Last night cried out for two banks of four with players in their natural positions. It’s like he wants to get sacked 😡
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It looks like he’s untouchable, we’re no further forward than we were under Dickov. He will take us back down, maybe not this season & will still be charge.
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must admit it's getting harder to stay positive
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must admit it's getting harder to stay positive
Bjw, more and more supporters are saying the same as each week passes by.