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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: aidanstu on February 11, 2018, 07:21:05 pm
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This isn’t aimed at the majority but as a season ticket holder in the upper centre of the west stand I’m becoming seriously peed off by a few of the supporters around me.
There are two that are particularly bad. The first moans from start to finish regardless of the score or indeed the performance, shouting how often abusive nonsense constantly throughout each game; the second is even more abusive, criticised the new centre backs from minute one and at about 80 minutes shouted he hoped Blair had broken his leg after a tackle on him.
I’ve been gong rovers since 1986 but these two are seriously annoying and rarely make any real sense in any event. I don’t know why people like this bother coming. Anything that can be done?
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Have you tried saying anything to them?
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Someone behind me yesterday screamed "useless bas**rd!!" with pure vitriol at Anderson after no less than 4 minutes of watching him play. A lot of miserable individuals going to Rovers on a weekly basis.
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Have you tried saying anything to them?
Yeah I say something to them at almost every game. A number of other season tickets holders are also annoyed by them and regularly attempt to address it.
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There is a serious social defeatist attitude amongst certain people in this arena . Are they all out of work .. do they have chronic illnesses . is the world coming to an end ! MISTER ANGRY from Donny what is it that makes you so angry ?
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There's a bloke in front of me who's forever throwing his arms about and shouting at the players and officials. He's a real mister angry a lot of the time, but I'm sure his intentions are all for the good of the team.
Personally, I think it's good that Darren Ferguson shows a bit of passion from the dugout.
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There is a serious social defeatist attitude amongst certain people in this arena . Are they all out of work .. do they have chronic illnesses . is the world coming to an end ! MISTER ANGRY from Donny what is it that makes you so angry ?
They are sad sad people who must have miserable lives and come to the Moat to take out their frustrations on our team. Supporters they are not. Its pathetic to hear some people.
In our first season at the Moat in 2007 there was one nutter in the East Stand that shouted abuse at Paul Green as soon as he came out of the tunnel. Why do they bother to turn up, beyond me. :crying:
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Because they don't have the balls to shout at their missus!
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Our support is
Our support is
Our support is f*****g s**t
Addicks kept telling us all game long ... but they are wrong. Most Teams (all Teams) have their fickle fans and we are no different BUT the vast majority are 100 % dyed in the wool Rovers fans .. and you could feel the happiness coming out of the Ground yesterday ... a point we barely deserved felt like a win !
COYR (and ignore the minority if you can)
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At what point does the "I pay my money so I can say what I want" defence stop being acceptable?
If we're crap then say it. If a player makes a mistake then, again, say it. But what gets me is one mistake by a player then means they're not good enough for some people forever..
There's a guy near us who berates Marquis all game every game. Same for Mason. As soon as anyone tells him to shut up etc they just get aggressive and use the above argument.
It's just not helpful surely?
Also, I know we pay a lot of money but some people get so angry! I genuinely can't get that angry at a football player that I make it my weekly task to wish the guy out of a job or insult them for 90 minutes.
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There is a serious social defeatist attitude amongst certain people in this arena . Are they all out of work .. do they have chronic illnesses . is the world coming to an end ! MISTER ANGRY from Donny what is it that makes you so angry ?
They are sad sad people who must have miserable lives and come to the Moat to take out their frustrations on our team. Supporters they are not. Its pathetic to hear some people.
In our first season at the Moat in 2007 there was one nutter in the East Stand that shouted abuse at Paul Green as soon as he came out of the tunnel. Why do they bother to turn up, beyond me. :crying:
NOBODY but NOBODY should aim any abuse at Paul Green - great player for us imo ***
I was laughing at Oldham fans singing "one greedy B*****d" to Richie Wellens at KMS. Sure and as I said at the time which one of them whether they were Teachers Stockbrokers or Pie Makers would turn down double the Pay to move to a new Empolyer ? Probably none and yet they seek to castigate a Pro Footballer doing HIS job with a short career for taking a pay hike
Had to laugh at Saints fans today as well booing their former heroes - get a life !
*** I would never give an ex Player any stick. Their are some I would not applaud or cheer but the vast vast majority I would ! I reserve my bile for Kitsons like Kitson and so called Referees
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At what point does the "I pay my money so I can say what I want" defence stop being acceptable?
If we're crap then say it. If a player makes a mistake then, again, say it. But what gets me is one mistake by a player then means they're not good enough for some people forever..
There's a guy near us who berates Marquis all game every game. Same for Mason. As soon as anyone tells him to shut up etc they just get aggressive and use the above argument.
It's just not helpful surely?
Also, I know we pay a lot of money but some people get so angry! I genuinely can't get that angry at a football player that I make it my weekly task to wish the guy out of a job or insult them for 90 minutes.
Do you sit in the South Stand by any chance? f**k me there's one bloke in particular that cannot enjoy going Rovers cos he's a f**king miserable Kitson from kick off right until full time and does nothing but hurl abuse at the players, at the fans for singing songs other clubs have done before, anyone who thinks anything other than what he thinks etc...
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There a couple of old timers behind me who are part of the "gerrit forrard" brigade when the ball is being passed about around the back 4. At one there was absolutely nothing on for Boyle to pass "forrard" to but still the call came out. I turned to look at them in disbelief but there was little point in saying anything, it wouldn't have registered with them!
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At what point does the "I pay my money so I can say what I want" defence stop being acceptable?
If we're crap then say it. If a player makes a mistake then, again, say it. But what gets me is one mistake by a player then means they're not good enough for some people forever..
There's a guy near us who berates Marquis all game every game. Same for Mason. As soon as anyone tells him to shut up etc they just get aggressive and use the above argument.
It's just not helpful surely?
Also, I know we pay a lot of money but some people get so angry! I genuinely can't get that angry at a football player that I make it my weekly task to wish the guy out of a job or insult them for 90 minutes.
Do you sit in the South Stand by any chance? f**k me there's one bloke in particular that cannot enjoy going Rovers cos he's a f**king miserable Kitson from kick off right until full time and does nothing but hurl abuse at the players, at the fans for singing songs other clubs have done before, anyone who thinks anything other than what he thinks etc...
Sounds like you may sit near us!
There's one guy who goes absolutely ballistic over any decision that goes against us too. Marquis could shank a shot wide for a goal kick and he'll go mental that we've not been given a corner! I get that refs aren't great at this level and we often claim for corners etc that are clearly not ours but he takes it to another level.
I know the football hasn't exactly been enjoyable recently but bloody hell!
What's funny is one guy goes mental and his mate just sits there silent for the entire game.
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There is a serious social defeatist attitude amongst certain people in this arena . Are they all out of work .. do they have chronic illnesses . is the world coming to an end ! MISTER ANGRY from Donny what is it that makes you so angry ?
They are sad sad people who must have miserable lives and come to the Moat to take out their frustrations on our team. Supporters they are not. Its pathetic to hear some people.
In our first season at the Moat in 2007 there was one nutter in the East Stand that shouted abuse at Paul Green as soon as he came out of the tunnel. Why do they bother to turn up, beyond me. :crying:
NOBODY but NOBODY should aim any abuse at Paul Green - great player for us imo ***
I was laughing at Oldham fans singing "one greedy B*****d" to Richie Wellens at KMS. Sure and as I said at the time which one of them whether they were Teachers Stockbrokers or Pie Makers would turn down double the Pay to move to a new Empolyer ? Probably none and yet they seek to castigate a Pro Footballer doing HIS job with a short career for taking a pay hike
Had to laugh at Saints fans today as well booing their former heroes - get a life !
*** I would never give an ex Player any stick. Their are some I would not applaud or cheer but the vast vast majority I would ! I reserve my bile for Kitsons like Kitson and so called Referees
Wolfie, it was Rovers fans, the Black Bank group in particular, who were singing that song to Wellens on the occasion I remember.
However, I do recall Oldham fans doing the same song at Dean Furman.
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I think they're scattered all over the ground and away matches too. Is it just that life is grim up north in those dark satanic mills? I reckon they've just got into a rut of behaviour, it's all part of the ritual for them. It always makes me smile when I wonder how many 8/10 matches they produced during their time as pro footballers.
Go watch Man City you t**ts
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Me and my son was discussing our support yesterday, hes 16 and goes on his own now for last 2 years and he came back Saturday and said next year im not getting a season ticket , im just gonna start going to every away game there more enjoyable as know one can be bothered to start an atmosphere at home they just slag the team off all game and he sits in the black bank every game
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I’m stuck with Stadler & Waldorf behind me, moaning and grumbling from minute one.
As one extreme 4-1 up against Southend, we should be getting 6 or 7 not pissing about passing it at back. 2-0 up against Northampton or Rochdale - hope we get at least a draw from this.
I take 9 year old grandson and it’s proper put him off going.
I’ve actually uppped sticks from West stand and took him into South to maintain his interest.
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Do any of you think any other team's supporters are any different?
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There are some really precious "fans"on here. You pay your money you can moan or applaud. We have moaning fans sat near us but they give us a laugh.
You don't have a God given right to expect everyone to be happy and clap at some of the rubbish we have been served up this session.
If you want to sit in a totally sterile crowd I suggest you get a season ticket at Old Trafford
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There are some really precious "fans"on here. You pay your money you can moan or applaud. We have moaning fans sat near us but they give us a laugh.
You don't have a God given right to expect everyone to be happy and clap at some of the rubbish we have been served up this session.
If you want to sit in a totally sterile crowd I suggest you get a season ticket at Old Trafford
As you don't seem to think that anyone moaning about ridiculous negativity has the same God given right to do so as those they're talking about, perhaps you're being a bit precious yourself?
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I challenged a guy behind me who was very aggressive and angry ‘get it sorted Fergie’ I asked him to calm his language, my grandson and 2 nephews were with me and he told me to piss off and go in the family stand, I asked him why does he bother to come if he doesn’t enjoy it and it raises his blood pressure to near heart attack, he said ‘I have a season ticket so I’m entitled to complain’
Yes, in the south stand too.
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I suppose those who pay to see the games will claim to have a God-given right to be positive or negative.
Regarding showing support for the club, they have done just that by paying to attend, and whether they show positivity or negativity, being there and being either is better than not being there and being neither.
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Regarding showing support for the club, they have done just that by paying to attend, and whether they show positivity or negativity, being there and being either is better than not being there and being neither.
Disagree. By just attending you are showing financial support, yes, but shouting insults at players or managers for 90 mins is not showing support.
I honestly don't know what good some people think will come out of shouting "useless bas**rds" etc? Do they think that will inspire players?
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BJW. First of all I want to state that I do not subscribe to anyone calling a player a useless bas**rd, or similar offensive name calling. Showing disappointment, though is just as much a part of the experience as showing appreciation.
Do you think showing appreciation to a player for missing a sitter or letting a goal in or giving the ball away will inspire him? Personally, I reckon he'd think you were taking the piss. He would then wonder if any sort of applause was genuine, or worthy.
If your theory of inspiring players is to act like that, surely Darren Ferguson is being counter-productive and unprofessional by showing such anger and disgust during matches?
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I challenged a guy behind me who was very aggressive and angry ‘get it sorted Fergie’ I asked him to calm his language, my grandson and 2 nephews were with me and he told me to piss off and go in the family stand, I asked him why does he bother to come if he doesn’t enjoy it and it raises his blood pressure to near heart attack, he said ‘I have a season ticket so I’m entitled to complain’
Yes, in the south stand too.
You're entitled to complain too, so I suggest that next time he uses foul language in front of the kids you do so to a steward. Hopefully, they'll inform mouth almighty exactly what he's entitled to do, season ticket or no season ticket.
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Agree with BB. I reserve the right to applaud, shout encouragement, jump up and down when we score etc., but also reserve the right to moan and groan when I see fit. Some folk show more extremes than others but that's typical of supporters up and down the country. It's part of our make up. It's in our DNA!!
If you want to police negativity alone, good luck to you!
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It would better if we could get a chuffing atmosphere. It's become a library again which is a real disappointment. It's a shame those who did a great job working on it sacked it off so quickly. Hopefully someone else will pick up the mantle.
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It would better if we could get a chuffing atmosphere. It's become a library again which is a real disappointment. It's a shame those who did a great job working on it sacked it off so quickly. Hopefully someone else will pick up the mantle.
The club have been asking for volunteers to engage with an 'atmosphere' group. It can't do any harm.
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I remember a game at BV in the time before Lewis Guy turned into Greg Luganis - at a time when Guy was a real prospect with frightening pace.
He'd ran his balls off all game, and had just chased a long ball for about 60, 70 yards but didn't quite reach it or win the corner. Bloke behind me (I'm standing with family, including 2 under 10s) shouts abuse at Guy, can't remember the exact words but "useless" was included. He'd been doing it all game, where Lewis Guy had been putting a real shift in all game.
I turned around and said something like "give the lad a break", and was promptly told to "f**k off". Then his mate, clearly pissed proven by his breath, tells me his mate can say what he likes because he's been on the pop side for 50 years. No matter that this was 30 odd years since I first stood there..
Fair do's, the pissed up lad apologised as we left the ground later, but the other "supporter" said nowt else..
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It would better if we could get a chuffing atmosphere. It's become a library again which is a real disappointment. It's a shame those who did a great job working on it sacked it off so quickly. Hopefully someone else will pick up the mantle.
Interesting that you should mention the “library” word mate.
I said the same thing on Saturday.
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It would better if we could get a chuffing atmosphere. It's become a library again which is a real disappointment. It's a shame those who did a great job working on it sacked it off so quickly. Hopefully someone else will pick up the mantle.
Interesting that you should mention the “library” word mate.
I said the same thing on Saturday.
I you were whispering.
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Home support at most clubs is poor in terms of atmosphere we aren't unique it's unfortunately becoming sterile everywhere.
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Thing is. I've said time after time.
If people don't join in with songs etc, the people that start them will start to wonder why they're bothering if no one else can be arsed. That's what's happening, generally speaking. Yes, there are other factors, but if people aren't arsed joining in on a match day, then people won't bother.
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We didn't 'sack it off'.
The ethos was always going to be - we (the organisers) put in some effort then a new generation comes up and take the baton as it were. Except, no one ever came up.
You can't create an atmosphere on paper, and you can't sit there and wait for an atmosphere to be created. But that's what the majority of our fans want to do. You need people in between willing to organise things, bring people together, and create a bit of interest (social media etc.). After the Black Bank was set-up I came on board and did that for two years but at times it was me and one/two other people with enough time to commit to it. Now I, and a couple of others, don't have time to commit to it (work, family life) it's gone to pot. The infrastructure is there, no discussions need to be had, no new strategies need to be formulated no meetings need to be had, it just simply needs people with half an ounce of spunk about them.
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I have a suspicion that we're missing a point here. I'm not sure that a gathering of vocal singing supporters can possibly sustain momentum in such an environment where there's nothing much to sing about, no matter how dedicated they are.
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Poor design of stadium roof doesn't help!!! Very poor acoustics 👎👂👂
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I have a suspicion that we're missing a point here. I'm not sure that a gathering of vocal singing supporters can possibly sustain momentum in such an environment where there's nothing much to sing about, no matter how dedicated they are.
... AND as far as my memory goes I dont remember any great orchestration or coordination in the Days I was a behind the goal singer.
We just did it - OK Archie and Swayo were there to get things going sometimes but we had spontaneous Chants I seem to recall - such as when Peter Kitchen Colin Clish or Brian Usher did "something" notable their particular chant cam straight out
No Social Media for us and it seemed to work even though there would be no scope for a 26th Minute Copps tribute because there was no Facebook Twitter etc
BB also right in that if we were getting hammered there tended to be less "noise" just like now !
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Poor design of stadium roof doesn't help!!! Very poor acoustics 👎👂👂
True but from my Royal Box position smack on Half Way (West) I could unfortunately hear the Charlton fans almost all the game ... was great when we scored as that shut em up !
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It would better if we could get a chuffing atmosphere. It's become a library again which is a real disappointment. It's a shame those who did a great job working on it sacked it off so quickly. Hopefully someone else will pick up the mantle.
The club have been asking for volunteers to engage with an 'atmosphere' group. It can't do any harm.
I've always thought that atmosphere seemed to just naturally generate when the crowd hit about 9-10k in size. Just seemed to be a critical mass and reduction in empty space seemed to help it along
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Makes me laugh the majority of the time these constant abusers are overweight men who have never kicked a ball in anger in their life yet are tearing pieces out of 20/30 year old athletes.
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I suppose those who pay to see the games will claim to have a God-given right to be positive or negative.
Regarding showing support for the club, they have done just that by paying to attend, and whether they show positivity or negativity, being there and being either is better than not being there and being neither.
Not really
People moaning and losing their rag at every little mistake doesn't help breed confidence does it? Especially with such a young squad.
No coincidence our away form is currently better than our home
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Darren Ferguson moaning and losing his rag doesn't help breed confidence in the players then? Does that mean he's a bad manager?
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Darren Ferguson moaning and losing his rag doesn't help breed confidence in the players then? Does that mean he's a bad manager?
I think the players will respect his footballing opinion a damn sight more than that of random big-gobs in the crowd though.
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Bloody hell, it's not rocket science. It's not the stadiums fault, it's the human beings that populate it that determines the atmosphere.
The performances on the pitch recently have not been good enough to get people off their seats, or sufficient to convince the floaters/occasionals to return.
Even with the Black Bank not everyone, wants to join in with the chanting/singing, although they night cheer and clap now and again BUT, your hardly going to dance the Quick Step when there's Slow Waltz/funeral march being played out on the pitch!
It is what it is for a reason.
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Thing is, more often than not, it's the people who don't want to join in with it that whinge about the atmosphere.
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Bloody hell, it's not rocket science. It's not the stadiums fault, it's the human beings that populate it that determines the atmosphere.
The performances on the pitch recently have not been good enough to get people off their seats, or sufficient to convince the floaters/occasionals to return.
Even with the Black Bank not everyone, wants to join in with the chanting/singing, although they night cheer and clap now and again BUT, your hardly going to dance the Quick Step when there's Slow Waltz/funeral march being played out on the pitch!
It is what it is for a reason.
How can it be the stadiums fault.
A couple of years ago when the B.B. was inaugurated everyone said how good it was and the songs were joined in by fans on three sides of the ground.
Also, there was the banners and flags, Danny Andrew has made more appearances than them this season.
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It would better if we could get a chuffing atmosphere. It's become a library again which is a real disappointment. It's a shame those who did a great job working on it sacked it off so quickly. Hopefully someone else will pick up the mantle.
The club have been asking for volunteers to engage with an 'atmosphere' group. It can't do any harm.
I've always thought that atmosphere seemed to just naturally generate when the crowd hit about 9-10k in size. Just seemed to be a critical mass and reduction in empty space seemed to help it along
If you're referring to just the atmosphere that builds around play I would agree with you. And maybe atmosphere is the wrong word to use here but the area of focus will be the match day, so that will be in and around the stadium, bars, Rovers square, entertainment etc. That doesn't just happen.
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In my opinion the sound in the stadium doesn't carry very well at all.When the stadium was designed it had a floating roof like Hull's, and because the cost of steel went up at the time of building!!!! We've ended up with a very cheap option, and totally spoils the look of the stadium and acoustics. 😣😣😣
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I often wonder about these people who shout & swear at the KMS. Who exactly are they shouting and swearing at? Firstly, no one on the pitch or the touch line can here them so it can't be them. Secondly, perhaps it is the people in their general vicinity, to see if there are perhaps like minded people who share their view? Or thirdly, it may be to 'impress' their friends or relatives who they have come to the match with. Or lastly, they get a buzz out of shouting and swearing and general abuse and this
is their only opportunity to be able to do it, as if they did it anywhere else they would likely be arrested!
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Strange that the acoustics seem to work perfectly well in the North stand but nowhere else in the stadium?
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We didn't 'sack it off'.
The ethos was always going to be - we (the organisers) put in some effort then a new generation comes up and take the baton as it were. Except, no one ever came up.
You can't create an atmosphere on paper, and you can't sit there and wait for an atmosphere to be created. But that's what the majority of our fans want to do. You need people in between willing to organise things, bring people together, and create a bit of interest (social media etc.). After the Black Bank was set-up I came on board and did that for two years but at times it was me and one/two other people with enough time to commit to it. Now I, and a couple of others, don't have time to commit to it (work, family life) it's gone to pot. The infrastructure is there, no discussions need to be had, no new strategies need to be formulated no meetings need to be had, it just simply needs people with half an ounce of spunk about them.
The question is why isn't that there? It's disappointing after all the effort.