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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: raggytash on February 14, 2018, 12:20:21 pm
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Well Darren,
You asked us to judge this season as it is ‘your’ team now...
I think the majority of fans will say the same.... thanks but no thanks....
No progress.
Boring football game after game.
No youth team progress whatsoever.
Players out of position for no apparent reason.
Signing loan players even though he’s never seen them play!!
The list is endless, but the big question is???
Is Ferguson the ‘yes’ man the lacklustre board have finally got?
It’s time they grew some b*llocks and got rid we can’t do any worse.
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Amen
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I think some of that is unfair. He has done quite a lot to bring youth through and there is clearly a pipeline on loan at non league getting experience. Potentially some even ready for next season.
Hard to argue with the largely dull and disjointed football though. The team set up is perennially baffling.
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Which loan signing hasn't he seen play?
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I’m not on the Fergie out bandwagon, but continue as we are and he will be skating on very thin ice..
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The problem I have with him is the defence and his basic dislike of fullbacks who do what a fullback should do.He doesn't seem to think it's a specialised position and anyone can play there..Yet we concede so many because we cant stop a cross or concede from cheap corners the centrebacks giveaway covering for them caught upfield...Drives me mad...
That said we have to many players the fans think are wonderful but they are not..Rowe admittedly has been playing the above for a few games but he's been pinching money all season for me and I would get rid.Lawlor is giving so many cheap goals away but fans seem to think a couple of good saves make up for it all..That lad has had years under the best coaches in the world at City and is simply not good enough..
Houghton hasn't been anywhere near the same player since he came back either and I could go on..
You name our 11 last night and people would make a case for all of them but the bottom line is we don't create much of anything and give easy goals away and are second best in most games and are getting worse...
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He said he’d never seen Anderson play and took it of Sean Dyche opinion, nothing to do with the fact he’s out of contract in may??? Shicking signing even the vale fans thought he was shite and look where they are!!
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Not heard that interview
To be fair he didn't have long to sign anyone never mind go and watch them play
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I’d like to think we’ve been unlucky with injuries and inconsistency, but the reality is Fergie built of team of fringe players and a history of injuries. What did he really expect was going to happen?
Two implosions in the last two years cost us both our League One status and the League Two Title. 9 without a win and it’s all looking too familiar. It’s clear he’s learnt nothing.
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Well Darren,
You asked us to judge this season as it is ‘your’ team now...
I think the majority of fans will say the same.... thanks but no thanks....
No progress.
Boring football game after game.
No youth team progress whatsoever.
Players out of position for no apparent reason.
Signing loan players even though he’s never seen them play!!
The list is endless, but the big question is???
Is Ferguson the ‘yes’ man the lacklustre board have finally got?
It’s time they grew some b*llocks and got rid we can’t do any worse.
No progress he is in the 2nd year of a five year program. He could not get his first choice players in the summer. Because of CH injuries we could not bring in better players in midfield or striker in the transfer window.
Overall the players we have will not progress the team.
The signing of one loan player he may not of seen was done in an emergency situation, we needed CHs.
Players out of position yes, you are right, yet again go down to finance. In the summer we should have signed a right back, another centre half , left sided midfield player and another striker. When some of us said that we were told where do we think the money is coming from, so we utilise players in different position to make up for it.
Agreed about boring football and DF as to take blame about that but so do the players.
No youth team progress yes you are right, with a Academy 3 level players we won’t. We may get one or two. We need spend money and time and get our Academy to level 2. When they will play in the premier league U23 and Premier league cup. Also U18 down will play against better teams.
Looking at the board they have been there the same time as DF they have said 5 year plan. It involves getting young players to progress so we have not got to buy expensive, for DRFC, players. It’s all talk and you blame the manager but if he can’t get players to take us forward that’s down to the board as well.
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He said he’d never seen Anderson play and took it of Sean Dyche opinion, nothing to do with the fact he’s out of contract in may??? Shicking signing even the vale fans thought he was shite and look where they are!!
Actually, the Vale fans rated him as a solid defender and were furious he'd been recalled. But why let the truth get in the way of a rant?
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We had only a few days to find emergency replacements at centre half and Anderson was probably one of the few available who is actually match fit having played all season for Port Vale. On paper and considering the time pressure I think it was a sensible move. Fergie didn't cause Baudry, Butler and Wright to all get injured at once and I'm sick of seeing criticism about the replacements signed because it was either them or no one basically.
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Who's to say our Head of Recruitment didn't watch him either?
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We had only a few days to find emergency replacements at centre half and Anderson was probably one of the few available who is actually match fit having played all season for Port Vale. On paper and considering the time pressure I think it was a sensible move. Fergie didn't cause Baudry, Butler and Wright to all get injured at once and I'm sick of seeing criticism about the replacements signed because it was either them or no one basically.
I agree there RoversAlias those injuries were beyond Fergies control and he did well to find 2 decent centre backs at such short notice. And they are decent. Who was he supposed to get? Credit to the manager when it’s justified and it was in that scenario.
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He is OK by me . If we had had 2 of the three injured defenders last night we would have been ok . I presume we will finish midtable and that is Ok by me .
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He said he’d never seen Anderson play and took it of Sean Dyche opinion, nothing to do with the fact he’s out of contract in may??? Shicking signing even the vale fans thought he was shite and look where they are!!
Actually, the Vale fans rated him as a solid defender and were furious he'd been recalled. But why let the truth get in the way of a rant?
i was going to look up the facts (postings about how pi$$ed of the pv fans were for him to be recalled) but why let the "facts" get in the way of a good moan
posters card well and truely marked :boxing: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
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A pro active manager would be looking at all position all season and not be caught out at the last minute all season we have been short on the defence
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A pro active manager would be looking at all position all season and not be caught out at the last minute all season we have been short on the defence
Proactive board would make sure the budget he had to work from was big enough for him to get players we required. We have been short of league 1 quality players all over the pitch.
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Not heard that interview
To be fair he didn't have long to sign anyone never mind go and watch them play
he's had 18 months to scout potential signings. Just because you've not heard an interview doesn't mean it won't exist. jeeessssuuuussss !!!!!!!!!!
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We had only a few days to find emergency replacements at centre half and Anderson was probably one of the few available who is actually match fit having played all season for Port Vale. On paper and considering the time pressure I think it was a sensible move. Fergie didn't cause Baudry, Butler and Wright to all get injured at once and I'm sick of seeing criticism about the replacements signed because it was either them or no one basically.
any decent manager has an extended scouted player portfolio to cover any eventuality. But i did say decent.
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He is OK by me . If we had had 2 of the three injured defenders last night we would have been ok . I presume we will finish midtable and that is Ok by me .
BUT WE WOULDN'T for christs sake wake up. we've been conceding through schoolboy errors for the last 18 months and will continue to do so until it's been addressed. How on earth can you still defend him. You lot deserve everything you get, the apathy and acceptability of shite is simply staggering and that Dickos cretin is the worst of the lot.
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He is OK by me . If we had had 2 of the three injured defenders last night we would have been ok . I presume we will finish midtable and that is Ok by me .
BUT WE WOULDN'T for christs sake wake up. we've been conceding through schoolboy errors for the last 18 months and will continue to do so until it's been addressed. How on earth can you still defend him. You lot deserve everything you get, the apathy and acceptability of shite is simply staggering and that Dickos cretin is the worst of the lot.
We had the 5th best goals against record only a few games ago.
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Not heard that interview
To be fair he didn't have long to sign anyone never mind go and watch them play
he's had 18 months to scout potential signings you cock. Just because you've not heard an interview doesn't mean it won't exist. jeeessssuuuussss !!!!!!!!!!
What's in gods name are you on about I'm saying I haven't heard the interview cause I haven't heard the interview you absolute clown.
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He is OK by me . If we had had 2 of the three injured defenders last night we would have been ok . I presume we will finish midtable and that is Ok by me .
BUT WE WOULDN'T for christs sake wake up. we've been conceding through schoolboy errors for the last 18 months and will continue to do so until it's been addressed. How on earth can you still defend him. You lot deserve everything you get, the apathy and acceptability of shite is simply staggering and that Dickos cretin is the worst of the lot.
18 months
Ha ha you mean the season when we achieved possible our most comfortable promotion of all time. What a dipstick
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comfortable promotion. coming 3rd in a 1 horse race :ohmy: :turd:
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We got promoted with 5 games to go.
You're even dafter than I feared
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We had only a few days to find emergency replacements at centre half and Anderson was probably one of the few available who is actually match fit having played all season for Port Vale. On paper and considering the time pressure I think it was a sensible move. Fergie didn't cause Baudry, Butler and Wright to all get injured at once and I'm sick of seeing criticism about the replacements signed because it was either them or no one basically.
I agree that the injuries were not the fault of the manager.
However, it is clear that the two new players are not as comfortable on the ball as the three injured players so why did he start with a three at the back and continue to have the ball rolled out to them to build from there.
Surely in this situation a solid back four with Houghton and McCullough in front of them would have been better in an away game against a team with a strong recent home record.
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comfortable promotion. coming 3rd in a 1 horse race :ohmy: :turd:
I seem to remember League 2 having 24 teams, not just 1...
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comfortable promotion. coming 3rd in a 1 horse race :ohmy: :turd:
I seem to remember League 2 having 24 teams, not just 1...
To be fair, with five games to play there was only one team going to win the title.
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I have and never will forgive him for the hartlepool debacle.
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I have and never will forgive him for the hartlepool debacle.
I haven’t forgiven him for taking us down two years ago.
Very avoidable.
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Yes that's pretty obvious hound
Anyhow I said comfortable promotion so don't know why you're all banging on about the title.
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Yes that's pretty obvious hound
Anyhow I said comfortable promotion so don't know why you're all banging on about the title.
IF Sir Darren inexplicably managed to get us relegated for the 2nd time in 3 seasons woudld he still have your unwavering support ?
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He doesn't have it now,
But he got us promotion and clowns like you still wanted him sacked.
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A pro active manager would be looking at all position all season and not be caught out at the last minute all season we have been short on the defence
Proactive board would make sure the budget he had to work from was big enough for him to get players we required. We have been short of league 1 quality players all over the pitch.
We've had this discussion so many times on here and you adopt the same position every time. But I'll say it once more, there is nothing wrong with our budget. The budget is more than big enough for this division.
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Not heard that interview
To be fair he didn't have long to sign anyone never mind go and watch them play
he's had 18 months to scout potential signings. Just because you've not heard an interview doesn't mean it won't exist. jeeessssuuuussss !!!!!!!!!!
Personal insults are not warranted by you or anybody else. Posts will be deleted, or amended.
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because some of the budget is still taken up by players who are that bad we couldn't get rid of and had to loan them to lower league clubs whilst still paying some of their wages
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Not heard that interview
To be fair he didn't have long to sign anyone never mind go and watch them play
he's had 18 months to scout potential signings. Just because you've not heard an interview doesn't mean it won't exist. jeeessssuuuussss !!!!!!!!!!
Personal insults are not warranted by you or anybody else. Posts will be deleted, or amended.
fine but i hope that's aimed at more than one person.
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because some of the budget is still taken up by players who are that bad we couldn't get rid of and had to loan them to lower league clubs whilst still paying some of their wages
That's a miniscule amount in terms of the whole budget, I wouldn't be concerned by that.
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People are forgetting he’s had 3 year to sort it out... ok 18. -24 month with dickovs cast offs running contacts down , but the team he’s built is just as bad, I think personally there’s not enough coaching or experienced staff at cantley, every game it’s the same old story so what do they actually do down there???
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Not heard that interview
To be fair he didn't have long to sign anyone never mind go and watch them play
he's had 18 months to scout potential signings. Just because you've not heard an interview doesn't mean it won't exist. jeeessssuuuussss !!!!!!!!!!
Personal insults are not warranted by you or anybody else. Posts will be deleted, or amended.
fine but i hope that's aimed at more than one person.
Of course it is, that's why the sentence 'personal insults are not warranted by you or anyone else' is included.
The forum is here to be enjoyed and debated, its not a place for insults and threats. By anybody!
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How can anyone forget something that just isn't true
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People are forgetting he’s had 3 year to sort it out... ok 18. -24 month with dickovs cast offs running contacts down , but the team he’s built is just as bad, I think personally there’s not enough coaching or experienced staff at cantley, every game it’s the same old story so what do they actually do down there???
He has a bigger back-room staff than any previous manager at this club. Cantley Park isn't the problem.
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People are forgetting he’s had 3 year to sort it out... ok 18. -24 month with dickovs cast offs running contacts down , but the team he’s built is just as bad, I think personally there’s not enough coaching or experienced staff at cantley, every game it’s the same old story so what do they actually do down there???
He has a bigger back-room staff than any previous manager at this club. Cantley Park isn't the problem.
In your opinion what is the problem SM?
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People are forgetting he’s had 3 year to sort it out... ok 18. -24 month with dickovs cast offs running contacts down , but the team he’s built is just as bad, I think personally there’s not enough coaching or experienced staff at cantley, every game it’s the same old story so what do they actually do down there???
He has a bigger back-room staff than any previous manager at this club. Cantley Park isn't the problem.
In your opinion what is the problem SM?
I just knew somebody would ask that question as soon as I posted it! I very very rarely discuss players or managers on this forum because I leave that to people who know these things better than I do. My area of expertise is club governance and fan issues and engagement.
However my personal opinion is the same as everybody else's, his expectation levels of the players he has under his control is too demanding for the players we have. An example would be Rodney Kongolo, playing a young lad like that in 5 different roles in recent games is too much for him.
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People are forgetting he’s had 3 year to sort it out... ok 18. -24 month with dickovs cast offs running contacts down , but the team he’s built is just as bad, I think personally there’s not enough coaching or experienced staff at cantley, every game it’s the same old story so what do they actually do down there???
Based on current performances, probably sit around smoking Woodbines and reading the Daily Mail.
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I think SM is in the same boat as us and I appreciate his honesty, kongolo as played everywhere but goalie, I’d love to ask Ferguson his honest opinion on this season, and who’s to blame, would he hold his hands up?? Or blame the board and puppet Baldwin?
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I think SM is in the same boat as us and I appreciate his honesty, kongolo as played everywhere but goalie, I’d love to ask Ferguson his honest opinion on this season, and who’s to blame, would he hold his hands up?? Or blame the board and puppet Baldwin?
I don't see how he could blame the board or Gavin, they have supported him at every step.
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Not sure how Baldwin is a puppet, mind.
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There's no doubt, DF has had injury problems to key players to contend with. The injuries to Butler, Wright and Baudry were catastrophic and not been seen since we lost Sharp, Hayter and Mason within two games. The loan rules now make it more difficult to fill the holes. That said, the show must go on and perhaps it's exposed our young players who rely on senior players to get them through the games and difficult times. In terms of experience, regular games at this level, mental toughness, there isn't much when Marquis, Rowe, Copps turn around and look behind them!
On top of that, they're being asked to play a system that requires ALL players to be comfortable at it. It isn't a system for fledgling players.
It's not irrecoverable. Baudry then Butler when back, McCullough when pushed further forward, can stabilise the ship and restore a better balance.
My concern, as with many others, is he seems to over complicate things tactically when the players are not ready to deal with it. Chopping and changing even when his hand isn't forced isn't getting the desired results. Seeing good young players Houghton and Whiteman shrinking into their shells is horrible to watch.
I really am torn on this as the sensible thing for now is stick with him while key players return but, the clock as always is ticking!
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I'd like to think (last night's horror show notwithstanding) that we could amass the dozen or so points we'll need to be safe. But then I think the Board has to seriously consider whether DF is the man to take us forward.
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I think SM is in the same boat as us and I appreciate his honesty, kongolo as played everywhere but goalie, I’d love to ask Ferguson his honest opinion on this season, and who’s to blame, would he hold his hands up?? Or blame the board and puppet Baldwin?
I don't see how he could blame the board or Gavin, they have supported him at every step.
I'd go along with that SM. I think that the Board have been beyond reproach this season.
I think we do have to look at the Manager. And to all the DF 'luvvies' out there let me add that that in no way reflects any undue negativity about our club. DRFC is a great club that deserves to be doing better given the efforts that the Board have made.
I sense a mounting sense of frustration that we have some very good young players but that their total is nowhere near the sum of the parts. Yes, there have been some cruel injuries that have kept other good players out. But - and this is key - at the level we're at, you have to know how to compete effectively with what you've got. Each and every game. Bizarre as it may sound, I thought that Saunders demonstrated that quality.
If I were to level one criticism at DF more than any other it's that he fannies around with theoretical formations and tactics that just don't play to the strengths of the individual players and, in fact, often give rise to major weaknesses that our opponents exploit and which only seem to be addressed at half time or when we're a couple of goals down.
The fact that this comes up as a discussion point time and again suggests a deep-seated flaw in DF's managerial make up.
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We had only a few days to find emergency replacements at centre half and Anderson was probably one of the few available who is actually match fit having played all season for Port Vale. On paper and considering the time pressure I think it was a sensible move. Fergie didn't cause Baudry, Butler and Wright to all get injured at once and I'm sick of seeing criticism about the replacements signed because it was either them or no one basically.
I agree that the injuries were not the fault of the manager.
However, it is clear that the two new players are not as comfortable on the ball as the three injured players so why did he start with a three at the back and continue to have the ball rolled out to them to build from there.
Surely in this situation a solid back four with Houghton and McCullough in front of them would have been better in an away game against a team with a strong recent home record.
That’s far too simple though. It might actually work. Oh I forgot round pegs in round holes does work.
I quite frankly am at my wits end with his tacticts. Tactically he is starting to make PD look like a decent manager. Things must be bad then.
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I sense a growing swell of discontent with DF.
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Not really
It's the same old people
As Gaz said earlier about not understanding the round pegs in round holes, Rowe has played a lot at wing back as has Blair.
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Many more posters now suggesting that that the manager has run his course with us.
You only have to read the threads.
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I have
It's the same old faces
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For me we all seem to see the problems but DF is perhaps too stubborn to change which i hate to see, hope i'm wrong!
Think we'll stay up with DF but the question has to be asked if he can bring anymore than that. I know we've had a few injuries recently but I actually think we've a good set of players and the manager is under achieving with rather than getting the best out of them, the things good managers do.
I can take the league position, its expected as we've just come back up, but the entertainment on the pitch has been poor most of the season which for me makes it really hard to keep the faith with DF.
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Many more posters now suggesting that that the manager has run his course with us.
You only have to read the threads.
It's a very small number that are saying his time is up, others are expressing concern regarding his formations and team selection, there is a difference
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We have owners giving the club money hand over fist and we have gone precisely nowhere in the last 2.5 years other than down (and to be fair, back up) but we are now only two points or so better off than we were at same point the last time we were in League One. For all the cash the owners have flung in to the black hole, you might have expected a little more in that time.
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The one thing that pisses me off the most is his inability to get the best out of Tommy Rowe and now playing him at left back.
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Generally, it is baffling. I am not a professional football player, but if you are a 19 or 20 year old player and have to cope with whatever formation and team is pulled out of the hat each Saturday, god only knows what you make of all this. He also has a fairly awful track record consisting of not only dropping but getting out of the club those players who make an individual error once, or having substituted them, leaving them out for weeks on end. With a young squad like we have, this just crush the lads.
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He's played left back once this season,
Left wing back is completely different and suits Rowe.
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The one thing that pisses me off the most is his inability to get the best out of Tommy Rowe and now playing him at left back.
Me too. That’s the thing that is more baffling than anything else. Even the Walsall press reporter picked up on it. He has this asset called Tommy Rowe one of the best attacking midfielders in
League 1 and he does not use it to hurt the opposition.
Same with Matty Blair although not as talented. But he has pace. No team likes to have to face players running at them at pace into the danger area. But no he plays them as full backs ???
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Left wing back still means your primary role is to defend and attack is your secondary role. It does not suit Tommy Rowe and that is the primary reason why we have not won in the last 9 matches.
Not the only reason but it has been the major factor.
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Dickos, can I ask you a question?
Our form has slipped. What would you do?
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He's played left back once this season,
Left wing back is completely different and suits Rowe.
It suits him?
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Disagree, a wing backs role is just as important going forward as going backwards. Probably even more so as you've the third centre half covering you defensively. Hence why most wingbacks used to be wingers rather than full backs.
I played wingback for years, hated it. And Rowe probably does too as it's a lot more work to get through. But without Andrew fit I'd say he's our best option if we're playing that formation
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Dickos, can I ask you a question?
Our form has slipped. What would you do?
I think it's our home form that's the worry, so is work at ways to be more successful at home, our away form is decent when you look at the recent results. If we'd had better at home we'd be on a good run at the minute.
I'd definitely play 4-4-2 or 4-3-3
Have Rowe and Blair further up the pitch, mason and Garrett full backs, McCullough /houghton in middle and I'd be tempted to start kiwomya with marquis
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Disagree, a wing backs role is just as important going forward as going backwards. Probably even more so as you've the third centre half covering you defensively. Hence why most wingbacks used to be wingers rather than full backs.
I played wingback for years, hated it. And Rowe probably does too as it's a lot more work to get through. But without Andrew fit I'd say he's our best option if we're playing that formation
I don’t expect you to agree with me. Gave that one up a long time ago.
I am not going to get drawn into another argument with you ok.
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Arguement?
Just pointing out a wing backs role is more forward thinking than defensive.
walker, Rowe, Valencia, Moses, alonso, all very good wing backs that are naturally attack minded players
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Dickos, can I ask you a question?
Our form has slipped. What would you do?
I think it's our home form that's the worry, so is work at ways to be more successful at home, our away form is decent when you look at the recent results. If we'd had better at home we'd be on a good run at the minute.
I'd definitely play 4-4-2 or 4-3-3
Have Rowe and Blair further up the pitch, mason and Garrett full backs, McCullough /houghton in middle and I'd be tempted to start kiwomya with marquis
We agree Halelluh.
You said wing back suits Rowe. Now you agree he should be playing further up the pitch. I am confused as you are contradicting yourself.
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It does suit him, he's got a good engine he's strong he's for a good left foot, but I'd still like to see him higher up the pitch at home, and away from home I think wing back and three in midfield is the best way for us. To try and get hold of the midfield
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It does suit him, he's got a good engine he's strong he's for a good left foot, but I'd still like to see him higher up the pitch at home, and away from home I think wing back and three in midfield is the best way for us. To try and get hold of the midfield
Were you there last night? That’s what he played last night. We looked like a set of 11 players that had never played together before. We were 3-0 down at half time and Walsall who are a very average team never had to break sweat. So that worked well didn’t it. :facepalm:
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It's one game mate, and the defeat wasn't just down to him. He's played well there in games this season.
I've said I prefer him higher up the pitch but when we're playing with wingbacks I'd much rather have him there than Garrett
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It's one game mate, and the defeat wasn't just down to him. He's played well there in games this season.
I've said I prefer him higher up the pitch but when we're playing with wingbacks I'd much rather have him there than Garrett
The whole point is we shouldn’t be playing wing backs at all.
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We don't have enough of the ball to get Rowe high enough up the pitch to do damage at wing back! only every now and again does he get in position to hurt the opposition
he's probably our best player so why play in a role that requires more of a worker, i get it for matty even though its not ideal but playing Rowe wing back is like Chelsea playing Hazard at wing back
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We don't have enough of the ball to get Rowe high enough up the pitch to do damage at wing back! only every now and again does he get in position to hurt the opposition
he's probably our best player so why play in a role that requires more of a worker, i get it for matty even though its not ideal but playing Rowe wing back is like Chelsea playing Hazard at wing back
Or Sanchez or deBruyner (sorry about spelling) exactly it’s madness City or United would waste there most creative player at wing back. Garrett was playing ok as a conventional left back in a 4
We had a great December and now he has dropped him playing a 3/5 and just look how successful that is once again NOT. It got us relegated in 2016 and it will again in 2018 UNLESS THE LIGHT TURNS ON.
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People are forgetting he’s had 3 year to sort it out... ok 18. -24 month with dickovs cast offs running contacts down , but the team he’s built is just as bad, I think personally there’s not enough coaching or experienced staff at cantley, every game it’s the same old story so what do they actually do down there???
The last few matches have been poor and Tuesday was horrific, but take a step back and think whether it’s reallt fair to say that we’re no better off than we were two years ago.
We currently have 4 of our first choice 5 defenders missing from that squad. That is what has led to the collapse in performances over the past month. Prior to that, we’d been in near play-off form for have a season.
The critical thing is getting Baudry and hopefully Butler back for the last 10 games. Get them back fit and we’ll stay up comfortably.
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Dickos, can I ask you a question?
Our form has slipped. What would you do?
I think it's our home form that's the worry, so is work at ways to be more successful at home, our away form is decent when you look at the recent results. If we'd had better at home we'd be on a good run at the minute.
I'd definitely play 4-4-2 or 4-3-3
Have Rowe and Blair further up the pitch, mason and Garrett full backs, McCullough /houghton in middle and I'd be tempted to start kiwomya with marquis
Dickos, those formations that you mention are the ones, particularly 4-4-2, that most supporters can see will suit the players we have the best.
DF clearly does not agree and the lack of wins proves it.
This is one of the things that is turning people against him.
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It's one game mate, and the defeat wasn't just down to him. He's played well there in games this season.
I've said I prefer him higher up the pitch but when we're playing with wingbacks I'd much rather have him there than Garrett
The whole point is we shouldn’t be playing wing backs at all.
In your opinion yes
It's the best system away from home in my opinion especially if the opposition set up that way. Almost impossible to get control in middle of park if you're a man short
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Dickos, can I ask you a question?
Our form has slipped. What would you do?
I think it's our home form that's the worry, so is work at ways to be more successful at home, our away form is decent when you look at the recent results. If we'd had better at home we'd be on a good run at the minute.
I'd definitely play 4-4-2 or 4-3-3
Have Rowe and Blair further up the pitch, mason and Garrett full backs, McCullough /houghton in middle and I'd be tempted to start kiwomya with marquis
Dickos, those formations that you mention are the ones, particularly 4-4-2, that most supporters can see will suit the players we have the best.
DF clearly does not agree and the lack of wins proves it.
This is one of the things that is turning people against him.
We've played far more games with 4 at back rather than 3 this season
So not sure your point proves anything with regards lack of wins
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Dickos, can I ask you a question?
Our form has slipped. What would you do?
I think it's our home form that's the worry, so is work at ways to be more successful at home, our away form is decent when you look at the recent results. If we'd had better at home we'd be on a good run at the minute.
I'd definitely play 4-4-2 or 4-3-3
Have Rowe and Blair further up the pitch, mason and Garrett full backs, McCullough /houghton in middle and I'd be tempted to start kiwomya with marquis
Dickos, those formations that you mention are the ones, particularly 4-4-2, that most supporters can see will suit the players we have the best.
DF clearly does not agree and the lack of wins proves it.
This is one of the things that is turning people against him.
We've played far more games with 4 at back rather than 3 this season
So not sure your point proves anything with regards lack of wins
Without going back over all the matches I don’t know whether we have or not, however, clearly, we started with three at the back on Tuesday and got stuffed.
He started the team that way with players who can’t play that system.
Why?
We obviously haven’t won enough games this season and my bet, without checking back of course, is that plenty of the defeats have come about by starting with a back three.
Also, going back to a previous point of discussion between us, there are more and more posters showing discontent with DF, not “just the same old faces” as you put it.
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How many games have we won since Oct 2015 playing a back 3/5 Dickos. You can count them on one hand. You have just answered your own question Dickos because we got promoted last season playing a flat back 4 in probably 40 of the 46 matches.
Please tell me which system works best?
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Dickos, can I ask you a question?
Our form has slipped. What would you do?
I think it's our home form that's the worry, so is work at ways to be more successful at home, our away form is decent when you look at the recent results. If we'd had better at home we'd be on a good run at the minute.
I'd definitely play 4-4-2 or 4-3-3
Have Rowe and Blair further up the pitch, mason and Garrett full backs, McCullough /houghton in middle and I'd be tempted to start kiwomya with marquis
Dickos, those formations that you mention are the ones, particularly 4-4-2, that most supporters can see will suit the players we have the best.
DF clearly does not agree and the lack of wins proves it.
This is one of the things that is turning people against him.
We've played far more games with 4 at back rather than 3 this season
So not sure your point proves anything with regards lack of wins
Without going back over all the matches I don’t know whether we have or not, however, clearly, we started with three at the back on Tuesday and got stuffed.
He started the team that way with players who can’t play that system.
Why?
We obviously haven’t won enough games this season and my bet, without checking back of course, is that plenty of the defeats have come about by starting with a back three.
Also, going back to a previous point of discussion between us, there are more and more posters showing discontent with DF, not “just the same old faces” as you put it.
And the fans in the stands started to turn on him on Tuesday, first time for a long time that's happened.
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It's one game mate, and the defeat wasn't just down to him. He's played well there in games this season.
I've said I prefer him higher up the pitch but when we're playing with wingbacks I'd much rather have him there than Garrett
The whole point is we shouldn’t be playing wing backs at all.
In your opinion yes
It's the best system away from home in my opinion especially if the opposition set up that way. Almost impossible to get control in middle of park if you're a man short
Walsall played 4-4-2, so maybe someone hasn't done their homework on them.
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Dickos, can I ask you a question?
Our form has slipped. What would you do?
I think it's our home form that's the worry, so is work at ways to be more successful at home, our away form is decent when you look at the recent results. If we'd had better at home we'd be on a good run at the minute.
I'd definitely play 4-4-2 or 4-3-3
Have Rowe and Blair further up the pitch, mason and Garrett full backs, McCullough /houghton in middle and I'd be tempted to start kiwomya with marquis
Dickos, those formations that you mention are the ones, particularly 4-4-2, that most supporters can see will suit the players we have the best.
DF clearly does not agree and the lack of wins proves it.
This is one of the things that is turning people against him.
We've played far more games with 4 at back rather than 3 this season
So not sure your point proves anything with regards lack of wins
Without going back over all the matches I don’t know whether we have or not, however, clearly, we started with three at the back on Tuesday and got stuffed.
He started the team that way with players who can’t play that system.
Why?
We obviously haven’t won enough games this season and my bet, without checking back of course, is that plenty of the defeats have come about by starting with a back three.
Also, going back to a previous point of discussion between us, there are more and more posters showing discontent with DF, not “just the same old faces” as you put it.
Exactly you don't know but still stating it as a fact. There may be a couple more moaning but there's still the majority who are fed up with the constant negative posts from the same old negative people
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How many games have we won since Oct 2015 playing a back 3/5 Dickos. You can count them on one hand. You have just answered your own question Dickos because we got promoted last season playing a flat back 4 in probably 40 of the 46 matches.
Please tell me which system works best?
I guarantee you, you're making stuff up.
We've even changed to 3 at the back over the last few weeks when we've been losing and it's aided us to get a draw
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It's an absolutely ridiculous arguement, you're all going on that 3 at the back is the only reason we're struggling. We played 4 on Saturday which is arguably the worst we've played all season
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It's an absolutely ridiculous arguement, you're all going on that 3 at the back is the only reason we're struggling. We played 4 on Saturday which is arguably the worst we've played all season
Only because of the players he had in the full back positions, play Mason on the right and Garrett on the left, it would be a solid set up.
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Fergie says it's "back to basics" this weekend so I hope that means 4 at the back with Garratt and Mason and with Rowe in midfield.
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Fergie says it's "back to basics" this weekend so I hope that means 4 at the back with Garratt and Mason and with Rowe in midfield.
So do I, the question is why tinker with it if it's working?
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It's an absolutely ridiculous arguement, you're all going on that 3 at the back is the only reason we're struggling. We played 4 on Saturday which is arguably the worst we've played all season
Well we didn’t .....lose did we and we only conceded 1 goal and as you obviously didn’t go to Walsall I can tell you we were much worse than on Saturday. Yes it’s hard to believe isn’t it. That’s how bad it was Dickos.
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Yes, both terrible performances one with 4 at back one with 3.
Too simplistic to suggest it's all because of the system.
Players need to take responsibility!
A lot of them have under performed the last two games
Irrespective of the system
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Dickos, can I ask you a question?
Our form has slipped. What would you do?
I think it's our home form that's the worry, so is work at ways to be more successful at home, our away form is decent when you look at the recent results. If we'd had better at home we'd be on a good run at the minute.
I'd definitely play 4-4-2 or 4-3-3
Have Rowe and Blair further up the pitch, mason and Garrett full backs, McCullough /houghton in middle and I'd be tempted to start kiwomya with marquis
Dickos, those formations that you mention are the ones, particularly 4-4-2, that most supporters can see will suit the players we have the best.
DF clearly does not agree and the lack of wins proves it.
This is one of the things that is turning people against him.
We've played far more games with 4 at back rather than 3 this season
So not sure your point proves anything with regards lack of wins
Without going back over all the matches I don’t know whether we have or not, however, clearly, we started with three at the back on Tuesday and got stuffed.
He started the team that way with players who can’t play that system.
Why?
We obviously haven’t won enough games this season and my bet, without checking back of course, is that plenty of the defeats have come about by starting with a back three.
Also, going back to a previous point of discussion between us, there are more and more posters showing discontent with DF, not “just the same old faces” as you put it.
Exactly you don't know but still stating it as a fact. There may be a couple more moaning but there's still the majority who are fed up with the constant negative posts from the same old negative people
Can’t you read.
I havent stated it as a fact.
I said it was MY BET that plenty of the defeats have come about by starting with a back three.
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Well you'd be wrong
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Well you'd be wrong
Is that a fact then.
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Dickos you are impossible. Waste of time anybody having a debate with you because you can’t accept anyone else may have a valid argument. You can believe what you want in your own little fantasy world, but unfortunately you are not, it would seem to be living in the real world where DRFC are concerned.
I just can’t understand that you can’t or possibly or just don’t want to see what is quite glaringly stareing us in the face.
I admire your positive attitude, I really do as I am a very positive person always looking to turn a negative into a positive.
You are entitled to your view as that is what this forum is about but you have to accept other people’s views without accusing us all of being negative. WE ARE RIGHT TO BE CONCERNED AS DF HAS GOT HISTORY. 2016 & Blowing the Title. We came 3rd in a one horse race.
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Don't give me that 3rd in a one horse race nonsense, we achieved one of the esssiest promotions we've had yet people like you just go on about the final 4 games of a 46 game season. And then say you're positive.
What is the difference between me not accepting your point of view and you not accepting mine? We don't agree, simple as that.
And a few agree with you because they've not wanted Ferguson from day one.
There's also quite a few who agree with me, look at the poll and all the polls that have ever been done on the subject.
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Don't give me that 3rd in a one horse race nonsense, we achieved one of the esssiest promotions we've had yet people like you just go on about the final 4 games of a 46 game season. And then say you're positive.
What is the difference between me not accepting your point of view and you not accepting mine? We don't agree, simple as that.
And a few agree with you because they've not wanted Ferguson from day one.
There's also quite a few who agree with me, look at the poll and all the polls that have ever been done on the subject.
I was furious we blew the title. Promotion was won and the next goal was winning the title.
I wanted to see us parade that trophy around Doncaster and the Keepmoat. Pride in our club, the publicity it creates in the media and finishing the season on a high. Even more important than that we would have been the only football league club to have been champions 4 times of both the 3rd tier and 4th tier of English football.
If that has no relevance to you fool you.
As Billy Bremner’s autobiography title. YOU GET NOWT FOR BEING SECOND.
That day at Brentford made me proud that day at Hartlepool made me feel sick.
YES IT WAS IMPORTANT VERY IMPORTANT WE WON THAT TITLE LAST SEASON.
PORTSMOUTH AND PLYMOUTH WERE LAUGHING AT US.
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Don't give me that 3rd in a one horse race nonsense, we achieved one of the esssiest promotions we've had yet people like you just go on about the final 4 games of a 46 game season. And then say you're positive.
What is the difference between me not accepting your point of view and you not accepting mine? We don't agree, simple as that.
And a few agree with you because they've not wanted Ferguson from day one.
There's also quite a few who agree with me, look at the poll and all the polls that have ever been done on the subject.
I was furious we blew the title. Promotion was won and the next goal was winning the title.
I wanted to see us parade that trophy around Doncaster and the Keepmoat. Pride in our club, the publicity it creates in the media and finishing the season on a high. Even more important than that we would have been the only football league club to have been champions 4 times of both the 3rd tier and 4th tier of English football.
If that has no relevance to you fool you.
As Billy Bremner’s autobiography title. YOU GET NOWT FOR BEING SECOND.
That day at Brentford made me proud that day at Hartlepool made me feel sick.
YES IT WAS IMPORTANT VERY IMPORTANT WE WON THAT TITLE LAST SEASON.
PORTSMOUTH AND PLYMOUTH WERE LAUGHING AT US.
Boom.
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Well you'd be wrong
Is that a fact then.
Hound you are wasting your time. I would give up. I don’t know why I keep getting drawn into replying to his ripostes. We are all negative sado’s aren’t we ? He has to have the last say, so let him.
Keep him happy. This is playground stuff again. I used to have more grown up debates when I was at school age 12 years.
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He is probably researching his notes to see if it is a fact.
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You two are funny
you're the ones turning it childish, you can't handle that not everyone is so negative!
Your right I didn't think the title was that important, the aim last season was promotion and we achieved it much easier than anyone predicted. So left people like you with nothing to moan about, the only thing those last 4 games did was give you back an opportunity to moan.
Hound you said the top ten was a pipe dream this season, we got there and you said it was only because we'd played poor sides. You just can't be happy
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Got to be honest, once the initial disappointment of blowing the title had worn off I didn't give a toss anymore and still don't. We got promoted, that was what we needed to do last season and we did it. Before the season started, and indeed after 3/4 games, it didn't look anywhere near a sure thing that we would even go up so I'm very glad we made such light work of it in the end.
As for other teams laughing at us? It's football, every team's set of fans laugh at every other team's fans for endless reasons all the time. Once the season started we were in the same league as Pompey and Plymouth and on the same number of points. Incidentally, in four games against the pair of them this season we are undefeated and have earned 8 points to their respective 1 each. So it's ancient history.
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Got to be honest, once the initial disappointment of blowing the title had worn off I didn't give a toss anymore and still don't. We got promoted, that was what we needed to do last season and we did it. Before the season started, and indeed after 3/4 games, it didn't look anywhere near a sure thing that we would even go up so I'm very glad we made such light work of it in the end.
As for other teams laughing at us? It's football, every team's set of fans laugh at every other team's fans for endless reasons all the time. Once the season started we were in the same league as Pompey and Plymouth and on the same number of points. Incidentally, in four games against the pair of them this season we are undefeated and have earned 8 points to their respective 1 each. So it's ancient history.
Depends on you attitude though doesn’t it. Winners in life want to come first not second or third.
What do you think Alex Ferguson’s attitude to blowing a title in that manner would have been.
Well it wouldn’t have happened I can tell you.
We completely took our foot off the gas. Last 5 games not 4 by the way. Colchester, Blackpool, Wycombe, Exeter & Hartlepool. 1 draw 4 defeats. Yes to me it matters, ask DF if it matters and if he is honest he will tell you it mattered, it will have hurt big time.
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You two are funny
you're the ones turning it childish, you can't handle that not everyone is so negative!
Your right I didn't think the title was that important, the aim last season was promotion and we achieved it much easier than anyone predicted. So left people like you with nothing to moan about, the only thing those last 4 games did was give you back an opportunity to moan.
Hound you said the top ten was a pipe dream this season, we got there and you said it was only because we'd played poor sides. You just can't be happy
We were there for about a week. :laugh: Or did the season end at the end of that week?
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Irrelevant how long we were there!
Top 10 was nothing but a pipe dream, when we got there it was because we'd been lucky and only played poor sides
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Got to be honest, once the initial disappointment of blowing the title had worn off I didn't give a toss anymore and still don't. We got promoted, that was what we needed to do last season and we did it. Before the season started, and indeed after 3/4 games, it didn't look anywhere near a sure thing that we would even go up so I'm very glad we made such light work of it in the end.
As for other teams laughing at us? It's football, every team's set of fans laugh at every other team's fans for endless reasons all the time. Once the season started we were in the same league as Pompey and Plymouth and on the same number of points. Incidentally, in four games against the pair of them this season we are undefeated and have earned 8 points to their respective 1 each. So it's ancient history.
Depends on you attitude though doesn’t it. Winners in life want to come first not second or third.
What do you think Alex Ferguson’s attitude to blowing a title in that manner would have been.
Well it wouldn’t have happened I can tell you.
We completely took our foot off the gas. Last 5 games not 4 by the way. Colchester, Blackpool, Wycombe, Exeter & Hartlepool. 1 draw 4 defeats. Yes to me it matters, ask DF if it matters and if he is honest he will tell you it mattered, it will have hurt big time.
Ferguson has said plenty of times it mattered, but I guarantee you he won't be pissing and whining about it 10 months later.
Drawing away at Colchester wasn't taking the foot off the gas, do you think we should just win every game?
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Got to be honest, once the initial disappointment of blowing the title had worn off I didn't give a toss anymore and still don't. We got promoted, that was what we needed to do last season and we did it. Before the season started, and indeed after 3/4 games, it didn't look anywhere near a sure thing that we would even go up so I'm very glad we made such light work of it in the end.
As for other teams laughing at us? It's football, every team's set of fans laugh at every other team's fans for endless reasons all the time. Once the season started we were in the same league as Pompey and Plymouth and on the same number of points. Incidentally, in four games against the pair of them this season we are undefeated and have earned 8 points to their respective 1 each. So it's ancient history.
Depends on you attitude though doesn’t it. Winners in life want to come first not second or third.
What do you think Alex Ferguson’s attitude to blowing a title in that manner would have been.
Well it wouldn’t have happened I can tell you.
We completely took our foot off the gas. Last 5 games not 4 by the way. Colchester, Blackpool, Wycombe, Exeter & Hartlepool. 1 draw 4 defeats. Yes to me it matters, ask DF if it matters and if he is honest he will tell you it mattered, it will have hurt big time.
Ferguson has said plenty of times it mattered, but I guarantee you he won't be pissing and whining about it 10 months later.
Drawing away at Colchester wasn't taking the foot off the gas, do you think we should just win every game?
One more point that was all we needed.
You brought the subject up. Yes I had forgotten about it. Just using it to make a point.
Good night, sleep well.
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One more point was all we needed for what?
You said we took the foot off gas last 5 games, drawing away at Colchester was just a decent away result
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Got to be honest, once the initial disappointment of blowing the title had worn off I didn't give a toss anymore and still don't. We got promoted, that was what we needed to do last season and we did it. Before the season started, and indeed after 3/4 games, it didn't look anywhere near a sure thing that we would even go up so I'm very glad we made such light work of it in the end.
As for other teams laughing at us? It's football, every team's set of fans laugh at every other team's fans for endless reasons all the time. Once the season started we were in the same league as Pompey and Plymouth and on the same number of points. Incidentally, in four games against the pair of them this season we are undefeated and have earned 8 points to their respective 1 each. So it's ancient history.
Depends on you attitude though doesn’t it. Winners in life want to come first not second or third.
What do you think Alex Ferguson’s attitude to blowing a title in that manner would have been.
Well it wouldn’t have happened I can tell you.
We completely took our foot off the gas. Last 5 games not 4 by the way. Colchester, Blackpool, Wycombe, Exeter & Hartlepool. 1 draw 4 defeats. Yes to me it matters, ask DF if it matters and if he is honest he will tell you it mattered, it will have hurt big time.
If you say so. I want to come 1st too but I don't get upset about it for nearly a whole year afterwards if it doesn't happen. Comparing to Alex Ferguson is pointless, he may be Darren's dad but he's also one of the most successful managers in the history of the sport and was managing in a different world to the one inhabited by Doncaster Rovers.
We were okay at Colchester, the games came thick and fast and we simply didn't play well enough against Blackpool or Exeter (I wasn't at the Wycombe game). Fergie said that he and the squad grew complacent because they felt it was job done after promotion and he regrets that, but it's done now and as I said we started this season in the league we needed to be in and on the same number of points as Portsmouth, Plymouth and everyone else from AFC Wimbledon to Wigan. Last season is now irrelevant, ancient history as I said, as is the season before.
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I agree it’s done now. I had forgotten it. It’s the past dead and buried. I only brought it up in reply to one of Dickos posts when he mentioned it on one or two of his previous jibes about people looking back at the past failings.
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Mate
What you talking about?
You brought it up by saying we came 3rd in a one horse race. And saying Ferguson had history.
It was the only time it was mentioned on this thread.
So no you werent replying to me
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Mate
What you talking about?
You brought it up by saying we came 3rd in a one horse race. And saying Ferguson had history.
It was the only time it was mentioned on this thread.
So no you werent replying to me
Stop calling me mate. I have never met you ok.
I give up Dickos. Waste of time all you want to do is argue. I will not be replying to any more of your texts. Said it before and got drawn into it again. This time I mean it.
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Posts not texts of course sorry.
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Ok mate I'll just read your lies and let you get on with it.
You can't just make up something using my name and not expect me to say anything back.
Unless you think you're above everyone on here of course
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With four games to go last season no bookie would accept a bet on Rovers winning the title. Pompey were 20-1 at that stage
We blew it for the title but we went up which was the goal for the season.
Disappointing as it was though I’d take third and that Grimsby away performance. Just wish the season had ended in Cleethorpes
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I do not think Ferguson is a bad manager at all and he is certainly not doing a bad job with us.
The truth is though that he is doing an average job with us and we are mediocre.
I would like a manager who can make a team greater than the sum of its parts. A manager who can add 10pc by himself. Get players playing out of their skin for him.
Ferguson has a record of mediocrity with us. I hope this changes, but all the evidence points to us treading water under Ferguson.
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I do not think Ferguson is a bad manager at all and he is certainly not doing a bad job with us.
The truth is though that he is doing an average job with us and we are mediocre.
I would like a manager who can make a team greater than the sum of its parts. A manager who can add 10pc by himself. Get players playing out of their skin for him.
Ferguson has a record of mediocrity with us. I hope this changes, but all the evidence points to us treading water under Ferguson.
I agree with all this
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I wonder if, reflecting on Fergie's record so far with the club, the board think his appointment was a good one.
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Yes, both terrible performances one with 4 at back one with 3.
Too simplistic to suggest it's all because of the system.
Players need to take responsibility!
A lot of them have under performed the last two games
Irrespective of the system
Doesn't that tell you something Dickos?
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It tells me the players need to take some responsibility yes.
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It tells me the players need to take some responsibility yes.
Put in the positions they were recruited for, they might. Lets hope so.
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I think we have progressed in some areas.
Clearly (and this was understandly a driver for his appointment) the squad now is potentially more economically viable, with lots of younger players on lower wages, with potential to be sold for a good profit. Whether Beestin, May, Mason, Whiteman etc ever realise this is another question, but certainly compared to Keegan, Tyson etc when he took over, the economic case is stronger now - and this is what most folk would welcome.
On pitch though we have not gone anywhere and the baffling tactics do us nor him any favourable.
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I wonder if, reflecting on Fergie's record so far with the club, the board think his appointment was a good one.
I don't think he'd still be here if they didn't. I think, considering the alternative options at the time (Shaun Derry, bloody Lee Clark who is beyond terrible) they made a good choice. It did not pan out that season at all but last year he was the best manager for the job of getting us back up. I think we can establish ourselves in this division under Fergie, but it remains to be seen if he is the man to push us on back to the Championship. Not something I'm worried about for now anyway.
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One more point was all we needed for what?
You said we took the foot off gas last 5 games, drawing away at Colchester was just a decent away result
Gareth Hunt !!!
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I do not think Ferguson is a bad manager at all and he is certainly not doing a bad job with us.
The truth is though that he is doing an average job with us and we are mediocre.
I would like a manager who can make a team greater than the sum of its parts. A manager who can add 10pc by himself. Get players playing out of their skin for him.
Ferguson has a record of mediocrity with us. I hope this changes, but all the evidence points to us treading water under Ferguson.
I agree with all this
NO ONE CARES
How do you know whether I - or anybody else - cares or not?
Answer - You don't.
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You two are funny
you're the ones turning it childish, you can't handle that not everyone is so negative!
Your right I didn't think the title was that important, the aim last season was promotion and we achieved it much easier than anyone predicted. So left people like you with nothing to moan about, the only thing those last 4 games did was give you back an opportunity to moan.
Hound you said the top ten was a pipe dream this season, we got there and you said it was only because we'd played poor sides. You just can't be happy
We haven’t finished in the top ten yet.
To be honest I will be delirious if we stay up now.
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You should be delighted that we're so many points clear then if that's your goal
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You should be delighted that we're so many points clear then if that's your goal
Like I said, we haven’t finished in the top ten yet and we also haven’t stayed up yet.
I am happy that we are not in the bottom four right now, why wouldn’t I be.
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don't know, but I know you've never said you are