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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Not Now Kato on February 18, 2018, 10:44:54 am
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at how much actual playing time there was at yesterday's game?
Prompted by Wolfie's oft made comments that there should be an off the field timekeeper, as in other sports, instead of relying on the Ref; I took a stopwatch to yesterday's game and recorded exactly how long the ball was actually 'in-play'.
Anyone like to hazard a guess? Answers in minutes and seconds, just for fun let's see who can come closest.
Oh, and Wolfie is barred from entering as I told him how much playing time there'd been by half time. ;-)
p.s. Great game, great result and the first 3 of the 20 points I predicted we'd get from our remaining games.
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60 minutes 39 seconds
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63 minutes and 14 seconds.
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68m20s
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73mins 30secs.
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57mins 23 secs
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Interesting guesses so far, keep em coming.
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79 mins 21 secs
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55 mins
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54mins
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42 minutes
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66mins 23seconds
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Oh, and Wolfie is barred from entering as I told him how much playing time there'd been by half time. ;-)
.... hope you dont leave it to me to tell them !!!
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58mins 25seconds.
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49 mins
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47 minutes
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64 mins 30 secs..
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There was a prem game last week where it was about 42 mins.. jeez...
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60 min
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The ave I think in a football league match is around 62 mins I think.
Yesterday I would have said it was above ave by quite a margin.
So I am going 70 mins. Probably way off the mark?
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72mins 29secs
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The one stat I remember over the years is of the Wimbledon final in the 1970's when Arthur Ashe beat Jimmy Connors in 2 hours 15 minutes. The ball was in play for 16 minutes during that time. And there were far fewer and shorter breaks (trainers, toilet, physio/doctor etc) in those days.
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77 mins 23 sec
COYR
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69m 15secs
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51 minutes 2 seconds
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There were some longish passages of play but, we also slowed it down for throw ins, goal kicks etc, so I'm guessing just above average at 68 mins, 27 secs.
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62 mins 19 secs
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51 mins and 32 seconds
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Less than 40min. ( guess at 36min 5sec)
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47mins 55seconds..........approximately!!
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It’s generally around 60mins.
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65mins
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I think its low, gonna go 50 min 33 secs.
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68.59 That’s the nearest that I can get to a 69 :rolleyes:
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66 minutes 18 seconds.
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48 mins 44 secs.
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Come on then NNK!
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Come on then NNK!
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Put us out of our misery. The suspense is well !!!
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51mins 21sec
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63 mins 23 secs
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A few close ones, but Draytonian was closest.
1st half we saw 23 minutes 9 seconds of actual play. 2nd half we saw 23 minutes and 26 seconds - (timings include play in extra time both halves).
So in total, 46 minutes and 35 seconds - just over half a game. I agree with Wolfie, time for off the field timekeeping.
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I think the game was a bad example to take. Two lower league teams (one very bad, the other average at best) lumping it left, right and centre. I presume you've included throw-ins and goal kicks in your out of play time? It gets ambiguous there doesn't it because although the ball is not 'in-play' players are still moving strategically. I generally agree though, the time taken for throw-ins is a complete piss-take at times.
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Most game the ball is only in play no more than 55 minutes , it's just when you are watching you pay very little attention to how long the ball is out of play
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A few close ones, but Draytonian was closest.
1st half we saw 23 minutes 9 seconds of actual play. 2nd half we saw 23 minutes and 26 seconds - (timings include play in extra time both halves).
So in total, 46 minutes and 35 seconds - just over half a game. I agree with Wolfie, time for off the field timekeeping.
That surprised me. Shocking. Clock needed as in Rugby. We are being cheated.
Ridiculous needs sorting.
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People would only complain about being late for tea, not being able to pick the wife up from the shops before they close, and missing the pub on midweek games.
And what time would we get home from cup games with extra time and penalties, and away games.
And believe you me, the Walsall game was too long as it was, and the highlights for us was when the ball was out of play.
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People would only complain about being late for tea, not being able to pick the wife up from the shops before they close, and missing the pub on midweek games.
And what time would we get home from cup games with extra time and penalties, and away games.
And believe you me, the Walsall game was too long as it was, and the highlights for us was when the ball was out of play.
Definitely agree with that last sentence Brian.
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I think the game was a bad example to take. Two lower league teams (one very bad, the other average at best) lumping it left, right and centre. I presume you've included throw-ins and goal kicks in your out of play time? It gets ambiguous there doesn't it because although the ball is not 'in-play' players are still moving strategically. I generally agree though, the time taken for throw-ins is a complete piss-take at times.
It may possibly have been a bad example, though 'bad' in which direction is questionable. We've all seen games where a player picks up the ball to take a throw in, then drops it at the feet of a colleague to pick up - just to waste a few more seconds, didn't see any of that in yesterday's game so maybe we got more playing time than usual.
Then there's the bit where the ball goes out for a goal kick and there's a player from the side awarded the goal kick right next to where the ball goes out, (often near the corner), does he pass the ball to the keeper to take the goal kick? Only if it's late in the game and that side is losing, no it's normal for that player to trot up the pitch and leave the keeper to go all the way to the corner to collect the ball! Happens every game, happened yesterday. And Rovers are just as bad as the opposition.
Kicking the ball a bit further away when a free kick or throw in is awarded? Again, happens every game, and it's plain cheating - both in terms of the game and in terms of what supporters are paying for - 90 minutes of football. Oh, and of course, not retreating 10 yards and waiting while the Ref paces out his 8, 9 or 10 paces then slowly shuffling back to just get behind his line of foam - more time wated. Funny, players in both codes of rugby seem to know how far 10 yards is yet footballers don't seem to have a clue - well that, or they're deliberately cheating.
And as for standing in front of the ball to stop an opponent taking a quick free kick.....................
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Personally I'd be all for reducing the length of a half and making it a clock stop game. It would eliminate the cheating element of time wasting. If players want to slow things down to have a breather or let their team reset their positions etc then let them get on with it, at least the winning team would have no way of gaining an advantage and the losing team would have nothing to complain about beyond the obvious points about stopping momentum etc. But then I'm also in favour of sin bins, rolling subs, etc. Maybe I'm just trying to turn football into ice hockey with bigger goals, grass and no sticks. :s :pinch: :silly:
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People would only complain about being late for tea, not being able to pick the wife up from the shops before they close, and missing the pub on midweek games.
And what time would we get home from cup games with extra time and penalties, and away games.
And believe you me, the Walsall game was too long as it was, and the highlights for us was when the ball was out of play.
People can always leave early if the wife, tea or the pub are more important ;-) And fortunately I missed the torture that was Walsall :-)
But on a serious note, I'm not advocating stopping the clock for every single incident, rather putting a time limit on such things as goal kicks, throw in's and free kicks; and if those time limits are exceeded then that is what is added on at the end, (plus any actual injury time of course). I suspect, based on similar rules in other sports, the players themselves will speed things up and give us more game action time without over extending the game time significantly - they'll probably want to pick up the wife, get home for tea or make last orders, for their fresh orange juice, of course ;-)
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People say we're being cheated out of playing time, but I'd love to know how much has been the average in-play time through the years (and I do mean going back decades). Maybe it's always been near enough like this. Probably impossible to tell but an interesting thought.
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I wonder how much of that 46/47 minutes the ball was in the air. Never seen so much head tennis.
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65mins 32seconds
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Personally I'd be all for reducing the length of a half and making it a clock stop game. It would eliminate the cheating element of time wasting. If players want to slow things down to have a breather or let their team reset their positions etc then let them get on with it, at least the winning team would have no way of gaining an advantage and the losing team would have nothing to complain about beyond the obvious points about stopping momentum etc. But then I'm also in favour of sin bins, rolling subs, etc. Maybe I'm just trying to turn football into ice hockey with bigger goals, grass and no sticks. :s :pinch: :silly:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3832119/football-lawmakers-considering-60-minute-matches-more-game-time/
Under review by the "Lawmakers". Maybe we should start a Clock to time them reaching a decision (I am thinking of Goal Line Technology and how lomg that took)
In the past I have banged on on here about 3 things and at least introducing 2 of them would help.
Stopping the clock immediately a Goal is awarded and only restarting it when Play restarts
Stopping the Clock each time a Substitution was being made -restartin it when the change is complete
Those 2 would need "rule changes" but my third would not
We should stop giving the Ball back to Teams when one of their Players "feigns" injury at any time and they have to kick the ball out (usually used to time waste) to get him treatment. Simply tell the Ref and Opponents and their Fans of our decision and I am sure they would say ok - but we wil do the same.
It would then snowball through the Game in general and be less of a problem. It was an admirable gesture of sportsmanship back when it was first done but it has now outlived its usefulness
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Yeah I was under the impression it's something they were already looking at but I think they've been recording the amount of time the ball is in play for years so I'm not particularly hopeful of anything changing any time soon.
I'm not sure how simple it would be to bring in your 3rd change unless you do it for every injury - as it's not always easy to determine what is serious vs what is time wasting...however...making the game a clock-stop style would remove this too, as pretending you're injured and your team putting the ball out intentionally wouldn't gain you anything.