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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Herman Hessian on February 19, 2018, 04:55:28 pm
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what's the general feeling about the badge ?
ok and does the job, time for a bit of an update, or start from scratch with something completely different ?
i'd probably keep the thing in it's general form, but ditch the DRFC and go back to having the name in full (well - just Doncaster Rovers as it used to be, anyway), and make the top band of the shield red with white lettering so that it reflected the hoops
maybe do away with the wings on the helmet too, as not only is the viking heritage of the town a bit sketchy (and nowhere near as long-lasting as it's roman or anglo-saxon influences) but it's generally considered to have been very unlikely that any viking helmets other than hugely ornate burial hats actually had wings (or horns, for that matter); and the cape - what's all that about - get rid altogether, alter it, replace it ?
no point to any of this whatsoever - just something else to think about in the run-up to handing out a hiding to barry and paul's mates ;)
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I would be fine with a complete re-design myself but only if it was still going to look unique, as that's the best thing about our badge. None of this circular rubbish with the lettering in the outer band (see the generic new Brentford badge). If I was designing it myself the only things I'd definitely make sure are incorporated are the club's initials and a representation of the hoops in the club's red and white colours.
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Wouldn't change a thing. Still one of the best football crests throughout the leagues.
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Leave it as is. Wouldn’t want anything else.
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Leave it as it is, all us with tatoos of the badge would look daft if the badge was changed
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I wouldn't want anything that wasn't viking related.
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Yeah what Filo says
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Leave it as it is. Remember what happened to Leeds and their gaviscon badge debacle
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No, I'd leave it alone. As said, I think it's one of the best, not just in football. It's distinctive and bright.
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Never liked it!! Doesn't even say who we are, just DRFC .It should have Doncaster Rovers fc under it at least!!! But we should be using the Town crest like we used years ago👍
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Change it, what for????, we'd probably end up with something like that bloody stupid owl on Wensdeh's shirt!!, they made s right b****x of that. Leave the bloody thing alone. Jeez!!
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leave our Viking alone.
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Keep it as it is - remember Andy Liney patented the design to protect it from The dark forces of Richardson. After a misunderstanding with JR we ended up with the Thundercat logo. It’s not broke - don’t fix it
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Keep it as it is - remember Andy Liney patented the design to protect it from The dark forces of Richardson. After a misunderstanding with JR we ended up with the Thundercat logo. It’s not broke - don’t fix it
What happened with the fall out anyway?
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Leave it alone
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What has a viking got to do with Doncaster Rovers -(Nothing ) We represent the Town so we should use the town crest!!!!
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It is a Viking town before the Doncaster crest before that it was a Roman town
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What has a viking got to do with Doncaster Rovers -(Nothing ) We represent the Town so we should use the town crest!!!!
Their first emblem was the town’s old coat of arms, granted in 1927, when Doncaster became a county borough. The debt, which many English towns owed to the royal or baronial stronghold beside which they sprang up and grew in size and prosperity, is reflected by the popularity of the castle in civic heraldry. It is, therefore, that a castellated gateway features in the shield, together with a Saxon crown. The crown is especially appropriate, inasmuch, during the reign of Edward the Confessor, Doncaster, and then part of the Manor of Hexthorp, belonged to Earl Tostig. In Henry I’s time it passed into royal hands. The royal lions, each holding in its mouth a white rose of York, support the shield. The lion also appears in the crest, holding a banner with the same castellated gateway, charged with the word Don, with the wavy lines representing the same river.
In the late Sixties the local council denied Doncaster Rovers the prolonged use of its civic icon. A competition was held and the best design selected was today’s badge, christened “the Viking”. It was designed by a group of local students and one may assume that the undaunted Scandinavian alludes to the “Rovers” suffix.
https://thebeautifulhistory.wordpress.com/clubs/doncaster-rovers/
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Change it, what for????, we'd probably end up with something like that bloody stupid owl on Wensdeh's shirt!!, they made s right b****x of that. Leave the bloody thing alone. Jeez!!
Which one, the line one they had until recently or the old traditional one they've just reverted to?
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No, no, no. I like it besides we could probably buy a few players for what it would cost to rebrand everything. And then of course there is the other issue .......now in hell would we be able to agree on a new badge. WW3 just about erupts over the design of a new shirt that only lasts a season!!
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You are right ! We would never agree !
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For a variety of reasons already covered on here, leave it as it is. Personally though, I have never liked it.
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A lot of football badges do feel quite similar (not that i pay that much attention to the detail of other clubs) but i like that ours is a bit different!
think as long as we get the size of it right on the shirts and other things its ok, i seem to remember a shirt where it was too big which made it feel weird..
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A lot of football badges do feel quite similar (not that i pay that much attention to the detail of other clubs) but i like that ours is a bit different!
think as long as we get the size of it right on the shirts and other things its ok, i seem to remember a shirt where it was too big which made it feel weird..
Lots of people who get a tat of the badge on their calf end up having it done too small and it looks crap, it needs to fill the whole calf. A bit opposite to your suggestion of getting the right size on the shirt 😀
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In my opinion it's the best club badge in the whole Football League/Premier League and should never be changed!!
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Better to spend the money elsewhere
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It doesn’t need to be changed.
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Best badge there is. Can’t be beaten. Why change it
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I don't get this fascination with changing badges full stop..It's our badge,what we relate too,what kids have hanging on there bedroom wall and what other fans know means they are playing Doncaster Rovers..Should never be changed....
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What has a viking got to do with Doncaster Rovers -(Nothing ) We represent the Town so we should use the town crest!!!!
Their first emblem was the town’s old coat of arms, granted in 1927, when Doncaster became a county borough. The debt, which many English towns owed to the royal or baronial stronghold beside which they sprang up and grew in size and prosperity, is reflected by the popularity of the castle in civic heraldry. It is, therefore, that a castellated gateway features in the shield, together with a Saxon crown. The crown is especially appropriate, inasmuch, during the reign of Edward the Confessor, Doncaster, and then part of the Manor of Hexthorp, belonged to Earl Tostig. In Henry I’s time it passed into royal hands. The royal lions, each holding in its mouth a white rose of York, support the shield. The lion also appears in the crest, holding a banner with the same castellated gateway, charged with the word Don, with the wavy lines representing the same river.
In the late Sixties the local council denied Doncaster Rovers the prolonged use of its civic icon. A competition was held and the best design selected was today’s badge, christened “the Viking”. It was designed by a group of local students and one may assume that the undaunted Scandinavian alludes to the “Rovers” suffix.
https://thebeautifulhistory.wordpress.com/clubs/doncaster-rovers/
It didn't end well for Earl Tostig Filo though.
I thought that according to Maurice Setters it was a mate of his in Coventry an artist or student that designed the badge at his request. That would make it about 1971/72 or 1972/73 I think. Didn't we have at least a season with no badge?
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Didn't we have a pirate at one time before the viking?
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Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be averse to changing the badge for a 'heritage' edition shirt e.g. an anniversary or whatever but the Viking is so established I think it stays (although I thought it was left over from a previous sponsorship deal and never removed?).
Three things remain from OBV:
The badge
The hoops
James Coppinger
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It was never really on a club badge but I remember that as a nickname 50s/60s. The "Green Un" always had a little drawing at the side of the league clubs report. A crooked spire for Chesterfield, windmill for Rotherham and ours was a pirate.l
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BTW, Leeds open their second "consultation" tomorrow on their new badge. Should be fun......
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Leeds new badge.. no contest IMHO ;)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1061/1924/products/Poop_Emoji_7b204f05-eec6-4496-91b1-351acc03d2c7_large.png?v=1480481059)
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What has a viking got to do with Doncaster Rovers -(Nothing ) We represent the Town so we should use the town crest!!!!
Their first emblem was the town’s old coat of arms, granted in 1927, when Doncaster became a county borough. The debt, which many English towns owed to the royal or baronial stronghold beside which they sprang up and grew in size and prosperity, is reflected by the popularity of the castle in civic heraldry. It is, therefore, that a castellated gateway features in the shield, together with a Saxon crown. The crown is especially appropriate, inasmuch, during the reign of Edward the Confessor, Doncaster, and then part of the Manor of Hexthorp, belonged to Earl Tostig. In Henry I’s time it passed into royal hands. The royal lions, each holding in its mouth a white rose of York, support the shield. The lion also appears in the crest, holding a banner with the same castellated gateway, charged with the word Don, with the wavy lines representing the same river.
In the late Sixties the local council denied Doncaster Rovers the prolonged use of its civic icon. A competition was held and the best design selected was today’s badge, christened “the Viking”. It was designed by a group of local students and one may assume that the undaunted Scandinavian alludes to the “Rovers” suffix.
https://thebeautifulhistory.wordpress.com/clubs/doncaster-rovers/
So basically the town's crest was created from a hodge podge history of aristocracy, wealth and imperialistic delight, and ultimately doesn't have much to do with Doncaster. Whereas the viking logo was created on the backs of the creative work of some local people.
Even more reason not to change it.
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I think the Rovers logo is one of the best around. Why would you want to change it?
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Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be averse to changing the badge for a 'heritage' edition shirt e.g. an anniversary or whatever but the Viking is so established I think it stays (although I thought it was left over from a previous sponsorship deal and never removed?).
Three things remain from OBV:
The badge
The hoops
James Coppinger
Maybe the Doncaster Rovers Nameplate somewhere from OBV as well but I suspect that will now be a replica
On the Sponsorship was it Rover Cars or something connected to it ? I think their "logo" was a Viking Longship - maybe still is !
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Here it is I hope
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i've heard that the original concept was a combination of two different car badges - morris and rover:
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28059147_1204102203059200_6299543975971284947_n.jpg?oh=f0fd2aa9bf569cc4e4cb446864f6ca1c&oe=5B0AD6AE)
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better pic of the viking...
(http://c8.alamy.com/comp/A0GK9X/rover-car-emblem-A0GK9X.jpg)
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Did Carl Swan model his tache on that Viking?
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Did Carl Swan model his tache on that Viking?
'twas the other way round wasn't it??
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I don't think so. The badge was around from the mid-70s. Carl Swan played for us in the early 80s.
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I know, it was tongue in cheek...
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Yeah - Rover and out
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Keep I say. The sole purpose of Maurice Setters changing the badge was so that they would all get free cars from Rover lol. An inauspicious history behind it but an amusing one. Perhaps do a hooped one? Our best days have been in hoops. Any one want to have a go at a hooped Viking badge.
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There's an idea, some of our graphic wizards who mock up nice shirts every season should have a go at concept badges, just for fun and a bit of discussion on the forum that doesn't revolve around where Tommy Rowe's best position is.
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Is it left back?
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Does the badge need a diamond on it? :chair:
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Why would you change one of the most noted icons in football.
where ever you are and people see the shirt and badge it's instantly recognisable.
They don't ask who you support........they already know.......first thing they say is....Donny fan EH!!
I'll bet fans of other clubs would love a badge that is as notable as ours IMHO
Regards
Ray
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This stuff has been my job for 30+ years. Would normally be telling a client to change things but I wouldn't do much to the Rovers logo. You might do a bit of a clean up redraw and make it a bit more multi platform friendly but that's it. Don't fundamentally change a thing (see the Leeds story for how to f*ck it right up). Apparently the Viking connection is fairly random but it did get nicked from the Rover car co logo and reinterpreted for our footy club.
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This stuff has been my job for 30+ years. Would normally be telling a client to change things but I wouldn't do much to the Rovers logo. You might do a bit of a clean up redraw and make it a bit more multi platform friendly but that's it. Don't fundamentally change a thing (see the Leeds story for how to f*ck it right up). Apparently the Viking connection is fairly random but it did get nicked from the Rover car co logo and reinterpreted for our footy club.
but - but...brand storytelling - localisation - minimising discontiguity - and the imperative to be a bleeding edge graphic illustration of core competencies ?
£30k sound about right - just do away with the initials and tart up the hat a bit - oh, and maybe a rainbow for an unambiguous assertion of non-binary inclusivity - can't be too careful, right ?
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Didn't we have a pirate at one time before the viking?
When I started watching Rovers I had a rosette (remember them?) with a kid dressed as a pirate on it. Apparently they had been produced at the time we played the American side Dallas Tornadoes. This was I think a fairly short lived initiative aimed at young fans. I still have the pirate somewhere as I made it into a badge after the rosette fell apart.
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...... That would make it about 1971/72 or 1972/73 I think. Didn't we have at least a season with no badge?
From google images, it seems we had no badge from 1970-75. Though http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Doncaster_Rovers/Doncaster_Rovers.htm (http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Doncaster_Rovers/Doncaster_Rovers.htm) shows us without a badge for 6 months in late 1970, and then none again from 72-73 till the 75-76 season.
Before that there seem to be a couple of seasons with a badge in the 1960s but going back, we've not had a badge on the kit for most of our history.
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Didn't we have a pirate at one time before the viking?
When I started watching Rovers I had a rosette (remember them?) with a kid dressed as a pirate on it. Apparently they had been produced at the time we played the American side Dallas Tornadoes. This was I think a fairly short lived initiative aimed at young fans. I still have the pirate somewhere as I made it into a badge after the rosette fell apart.
as mentioned elsewhere, it was definitely an identity used for Rovers in the media - I've got a Portsmouth local paper previewing our 1952 FA Cup match, and there's a pirate alongside their own "jolly jack tar" character...
not much good going down that route now, though, what with brizzle having cornered the whole pirate market, but it was definitely a thing before the viking got shoehorned in on the act...
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Didn't we have a pirate at one time before the viking?
When I started watching Rovers I had a rosette (remember them?) with a kid dressed as a pirate on it. Apparently they had been produced at the time we played the American side Dallas Tornadoes. This was I think a fairly short lived initiative aimed at young fans. I still have the pirate somewhere as I made it into a badge after the rosette fell apart.
as mentioned elsewhere, it was definitely an identity used for Rovers in the media - I've got a Portsmouth local paper previewing our 1952 FA Cup match, and there's a pirate alongside their own "jolly jack tar" character...
not much good going down that route now, though, what with brizzle having cornered the whole pirate market, but it was definitely a thing before the viking got shoehorned in on the act...
Seem to remember the pirate had a red and white checked sort of knotted hanky on his head
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There's an idea, some of our graphic wizards who mock up nice shirts every season should have a go at concept badges, just for fun and a bit of discussion on the forum that doesn't revolve around where Tommy Rowe's best position is.
I'm sure Louis Tomlinson and Grandad Len will be working on it as we speak.
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...... That would make it about 1971/72 or 1972/73 I think. Didn't we have at least a season with no badge?
From google images, it seems we had no badge from 1970-75. Though http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Doncaster_Rovers/Doncaster_Rovers.htm (http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Doncaster_Rovers/Doncaster_Rovers.htm) shows us without a badge for 6 months in late 1970, and then none again from 72-73 till the 75-76 season.
Before that there seem to be a couple of seasons with a badge in the 1960s but going back, we've not had a badge on the kit for most of our history.
Rothmans Football yearbooks for those years show the old town crest badge.
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Now stop it Herman.... You could of course give the branding design to a printer to knock out and I'm sure do it remarkably cheaply.