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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: DonnyBazR0ver on March 03, 2018, 04:47:25 pm
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Hat trick today. Been impressed with what I've seen from the little man. Has a touch of magic about him. A natural successor???
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I would love to see him playing in a rovers shirt
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He’s a quality player. I was surprised Peterborough let him go to Walsall. Doubt he would cost a fortune but weather we have any money to spend is debatable.
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He’s a quality player. I was surprised Peterborough let him go to Walsall. Doubt he would cost a fortune but weather we have any money to spend is debatable.
Out of contract at the end of the season I believe
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Why would he want to sign for a team who are lower in the league and his present club has done the double over this season?
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Lots of players do, better contracts, better facilities more ambition.
We've signed players before from clubs who were doing better than us.
Mcindoe being a prime example
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B.B. never degrades a player but the whole club?
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Both Yeovil and Rovers had been promoted when McIndoe signed for us in pre-season, so they were hardly doing better than us. If you're using that as a prime example it shows there can't be many occasions where a player has genuinely 'upgraded' to us from a higher ranking club.
And Selby, what are you on about?
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Why would he want to sign for a team who are lower in the league and his present club has done the double over this season?
Whilst I think Oztumer should be looking higher than this division anyway, there is no reason at all why a player wouldn't trade Walsall for Rovers based on a small differential in league position. The results between the two sides are even less relevant.
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RA, your second line contradicts your first line by saying there's no reason why he wouldn't sign for Rovers when on your first line you say he should be looking higher than this division. Surely that is a reason why he shouldn't sign for Rovers?
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Why would he want to sign for a team who are lower in the league and his present club has done the double over this season?
Whilst I think Oztumer should be looking higher than this division anyway, there is no reason at all why a player wouldn't trade Walsall for Rovers based on a small differential in league position. The results between the two sides are even less relevant.
I wonder if he is considered too small to play at Championship level? Ability wise, he's more than good enough.
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RA, your second line contradicts your first line by saying there's no reason why he wouldn't sign for Rovers when on your first line you say he should be looking higher than this division. Surely that is a reason why he shouldn't sign for Rovers?
No I haven't contradicted myself because I'm not referring specifically to Oztumer in the second part of my post. I disagree with your fundamental point as it pertains to all players, I don't believe a player would turn us down just because we lost to his team in the season or finished a couple of places behind them in lower mid-table.
Oztumer himself specifically is too good for this division technically, but yes Baron you may be right that higher level clubs haven't gone for him due to his small stature.
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it's pretty obvious that if Birmingham get relegated he will sign for them (Sunderland is a bit cold for him) end of ............ but people re free to dream
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RA, I was referring to the player named in the thread title. He is obviously a good player, and as much as I'd like him here, I see no reason why he would find Rovers a significant enough climb up the ladder in terms of comparable team ability or ambition. Walsall's higher league position and their double over us would do nothing to persuade him otherwise.
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it's pretty obvious that if Birmingham get relegated he will sign for them (Sunderland is a bit cold for him) end of ............ but people re free to dream
Why? they might not even be interested in him. Absolutely nothing other than geographical location to suggest he'd sign for them...
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Both Yeovil and Rovers had been promoted when McIndoe signed for us in pre-season, so they were hardly doing better than us. If you're using that as a prime example it shows there can't be many occasions where a player has genuinely 'upgraded' to us from a higher ranking club.
And Selby, what are you on about?
Lawlor, Whiteman, Williams to name but 3...
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RedJ, you're absolutely right. If geographical location was the yardstick, he'd probably sign for a Turkish club, and it'd be a damned sight warmer than here.
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Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but weren't Lawlor, Whiteman and Williams reserve players for their respective clubs prior to joining Rovers, in which case meant signing for us was a climb up the ladder in terms of first-team football for all three of them?
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RedJ, you're absolutely right. If geographical location was the yardstick, he'd probably sign for a Turkish club, and it'd be a damned sight warmer than here.
That’d be odd given that he was born and brought up in Greenwich.
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Yeovil had just finished about 15 points ahead of us and just spanked us 4-0 at our ground.
Hayter, o Connor, wellens,
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Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but weren't Lawlor, Whiteman and Williams reserve players for their respective clubs prior to joining Rovers, in which case meant signing for us was a climb up the ladder in terms of first-team football for all three of them?
Williams wasn't,
I agree it's not the same when you're signing youngsters
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But it was pre-season prior to both teams being promoted, so neither team was higher in ranking than the other! It's quite possible McIndoe signed for financial reasons, or because he'd fallen out with Yeovil's manager, or both, but he didn't sign for us as a lower ranking club.
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Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but weren't Lawlor, Whiteman and Williams reserve players for their respective clubs prior to joining Rovers, in which case meant signing for us was a climb up the ladder in terms of first-team football for all three of them?
Williams wasn't,
I agree it's not the same when you're signing youngsters
I think you'll find Williams was out of favour at Swindon.
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RedJ, you're absolutely right. If geographical location was the yardstick, he'd probably sign for a Turkish club, and it'd be a damned sight warmer than here.
That’d be odd given that he was born and brought up in Greenwich.
By God, you've got me there, Billy. I didn't know that; I assumed he'd come over here from Turkey.
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RedJ, you're absolutely right. If geographical location was the yardstick, he'd probably sign for a Turkish club, and it'd be a damned sight warmer than here.
That’d be odd given that he was born and brought up in Greenwich.
you've got to "draw the line" somewhere
:chair:
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But it was pre-season prior to both teams being promoted, so neither team was higher in ranking than the other! It's quite possible McIndoe signed for financial reasons, or because he'd fallen out with Yeovil's manager, or both, but he didn't sign for us as a lower ranking club.
He's not going to be signing for us now, it would be in the summer and we may have finished higher than them in the league. We were above them only a few hours ago.
Mcindoe probably did move to us for financial reasons which is one of the reasons I have why a player may come to us from Walsall
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RA, I was referring to the player named in the thread title. He is obviously a good player, and as much as I'd like him here, I see no reason why he would find Rovers a significant enough climb up the ladder in terms of comparable team ability or ambition. Walsall's higher league position and their double over us would do nothing to persuade him otherwise.
That's fine, I was more speaking to the overall point myself though and anyway, I don't think Oztumer would turn us down for those reasons you stated if we were to make a move. The financial package and who else is after him would probably be the determining factors.
I believe Andy Williams is an excellent example of a player joining us from a club of perceived higher station. He had just come off a season in which he had scored 21 league goals for a side that finished 4th in the table and aside from being used as an impact sub in 6 of the last dozen games of the season had been a constant fixture in the side and their top scorer. You would have to be very picky to argue against that as a signing of an 'out of favour' player.
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I think you'll find he scored 21 goals the season before we signed him
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He’s a quality player. I was surprised Peterborough let him go to Walsall. Doubt he would cost a fortune but weather we have any money to spend is debatable.
Out of contract at the end of the season I believe
Well in that case if i was Ferguson I’d be doing everything I could to sign him in the summer... did he play for fergy at Peterborough??. With several high earners off the wage bill in the summer we will be in a good position to strengthen the squad in the summer.
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Williams was on the bench at the end of the season, and Swindon didn't offer him a contract.
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Because they couldn't afford him, he had talks with sheff united and Bradford before signing for us and had just scored 21 goals.
They didn't just think a 21 goal striker wasn't good enough.
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So you think he would have chosen to leave Swindon for Rovers had he not been pushed out?
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I heard what tipped the balance in Williams’s mind was the reputation our fans have for indefatigable optimism and positive thinking about the club.
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BST, I take it that was a dig at me. I was waiting for it, you never let me down!
Now, if you think your extra blind optimism and unflagging positive thinking about everything Rovers makes you a better, albeit more deluded supporter than me then congratulations! I can live with your delusion!
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Wasn’t a dig at all B.B. It was an attempt to inject a tiny bit of self-deprecating humour into what seemed like yet another sterile Saturday evening thread.
Self-deprecating because I have rarely had a positive or blindly optimistic thing to say about Williams while he’s been here.
PS. I decided to go the humour route rather than try to join in the guessing game because I’m struggling to think of a single player in the history of football who has chosen to leave a club at which he was a first choice and wanted, to join a club that was lower in the league and take a pay cut in doing so. Which is where the specification had got to, I think.
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My apologies then BST. It seems you actually agree with me, for once. Mind you, I would have greatly appreciated you to swallow some pride and actually say you agree with me, for once!
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BB
I agree with you. You have identified a class which has no entries and successfully challenged people that they wouldn’t be able to find any examples.
Needed a bit of goalpost shuffling but you got there in the end.
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So you think he would have chosen to leave Swindon for Rovers had he not been pushed out?
Yes
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Well, that soon degenerated didn't it. Shame we can't talk sensibly and stick to discussing the merit of a footballer.
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That Swindon lot are slugs.
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He’s a quality player. I was surprised Peterborough let him go to Walsall. Doubt he would cost a fortune but weather we have any money to spend is debatable.
Out of contract at the end of the season I believe
Well in that case if i was Ferguson I’d be doing everything I could to sign him in the summer... did he play for fergy at Peterborough??. With several high earners off the wage bill in the summer we will be in a good position to strengthen the squad in the summer.
Yeah. Fergie gave him his chance in FL. After Fergie went he fell out of contention for a while.
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RedJ, you're absolutely right. If geographical location was the yardstick, he'd probably sign for a Turkish club, and it'd be a damned sight warmer than here.
He's been at two Turkish clubs
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I heard what tipped the balance in Williams’s mind was the reputation our fans have for indefatigable optimism and positive thinking about the club.
think u should all read "the truth" about Williams note the words inflated wages
http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Person.asp?PersonID=WILLIAM4
"After the game, and with his contract set to expire, Williams admitted that although he would like to stay at the County Ground, the decision was probably out of his hands - and as one of the last remaining members of the side brought in by Paolo di Canio on inflated wages, he was never likely to be offered a new deal. A move to Sheffield United fell through when boss Nigel Clough was sacked, and then Williams was believed to have turned down a move to Scunthorpe having passed a medical - his release from the County Ground confirmed in a statement on the club’s website, thanking everyone for an “amazing rollercoaster” of three years at the club, and saying that Swindon would always hold a place in his heart, not least as the birthplace of his first child. The following day, Williams signed for Doncaster on a three-year deal."