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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Sprotyrover on March 19, 2018, 11:42:52 am
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The Ukrainian Air Force pilot who Russia claims shot down airliner Flight Mh17 over the Ukrainian has taken his own life with a Pistol!
Family say it's suicide.
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"Who Russia claims"
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"Who Russia claims"
There were 2 AWACS aircraft monitoring that airspace and they never disclosed what they had recorded. It's a good indication that the Ukraine shot down the plane , the Pilot couldn't live with his guilt.
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Come on now Glyn what possible reason can you think of for the Russians to want to try and stitch up Ukraine?
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Sproty. Where has the family said it is suicide?
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Mind, it wouldn't surprise me. It's quite astonishing how many people who come onto Putin's radar as being problems end up offing themselves.
Just last week and old associate of Boris Berezovsky seems to have strangled himself. And of course, 5 years ago, Berezovsky hanged himself.
And in 2015, the journalist Alexander Shchetinin who had criticised Putin shot himself.
Then there was Scot Young, the property developer with links to Berezovsky who jumped out of a fourth floor window and impaled himself on railings.
I'm assuming that they are racked with guilt for upsetting the Great Leader who is so loved by his people.
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There is conclusive evidence presented by the dutch investigating team that it was a Russian missile, from Russia, that shot down the plane. They released a video (which I can't seem to find now) that explained it meticulously step by step with corroborated evidence. I mean, the conclusion was so far beyond doubt it was ludicrous. I've just done a quick google search and it seems American intelligence camr to the same conclusion.
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There is conclusive evidence presented by the dutch investigating team that it was a Russian missile, from Russia, that shot down the plane. They released a video (which I can't seem to find now) that explained it meticulously step by step with corroborated evidence. I mean, the conclusion was so far beyond doubt it was ludicrous. I've just done a quick google search and it seems American intelligence camr to the same conclusion.
American intelligence came to the same conclusion,the same bunch who aided abetted counselled and procured, the Ukrainian coup ,the same bunch who illegally taped Angela Merkel mobile calls, is that the bunch you naively trust in!
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Sproty. Where has the family said it is suicide?
According to the New York Post, he was at home told his wife he was depressed and wa
Liked into another room where he shot himself with his service Pistol.
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Go on then Sprotyrover, let's take out American intelligence.
That leaves the comprehensive Dutch investigation which showed conclusively it was Russia. Let's comment on that, because I want to judge the degree of your spuriousness.
Sometimes i read your posts and think you're playing a character but fear you may be a real person.
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Sometimes i read your posts and think you're playing a character but fear you may be a real person.
These Russians bots can be extremely convincing! :silly:
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Go on then Sprotyrover, let's take out American intelligence.
That leaves the comprehensive Dutch investigation which showed conclusively it was Russia. Let's comment on that, because I want to judge the degree of your spuriousness.
Sometimes i read your posts and think you're playing a character but fear you may be a real person.
Bit like the time you said you would give Copps Fellatio you mean 😂😂😂
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There is conclusive evidence presented by the dutch investigating team that it was a Russian missile, from Russia, that shot down the plane. They released a video (which I can't seem to find now) that explained it meticulously step by step with corroborated evidence. I mean, the conclusion was so far beyond doubt it was ludicrous. I've just done a quick google search and it seems American intelligence camr to the same conclusion.
American intelligence came to the same conclusion,the same bunch who aided abetted counselled and procured, the Ukrainian coup ,the same bunch who illegally taped Angela Merkel mobile calls, is that the bunch you naively trust in!
Nah sorry Sproty I'm not buying that shite - The Dutch knew what happened, there was bragging from the Russian soldiers and this is what happened ....is Putin paying you for some of this alternative stuff or are you yanking our chains and pissing yoursen ?
According to Nayda, a Buk launcher used in the shootdown was moved back into Russia the night after the attack. The SBU released another recording, which they said was of pro-Russian-separatist leader Igor Bezler being told of an approaching aircraft two minutes before MH17 was shot down.
It was a BUK missile and there was coverage of it coming in from Rostov -on Don and going back again . The Ukrainians didn't have BUK s
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sort of as an aside I was down the Falklands I took quite a few photo's of stuff the government denied were down there, in those days it was film that had to be developed I had it developed when I got back to my depot a Garrison town guess what there was an awful lot of black negatives
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sort of as an aside I was down the Falklands I took quite a few photo's of stuff the government denied were down there, in those days it was film that had to be developed I had it developed when I got back to my depot a Garrison town guess what there was an awful lot of black negatives
mate of mine went to a crash site on east Falkland and recovered a Sea king with Argentine Marking they took note of the NATO serial numbers and found out it was ex us navy.
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sort of as an aside I was down the Falklands I took quite a few photo's of stuff the government denied were down there, in those days it was film that had to be developed I had it developed when I got back to my depot a Garrison town guess what there was an awful lot of black negatives
mate of mine went to a crash site on east Falkland and recovered a Sea king with Argentine Marking they took note of the NATO serial numbers and found out it was ex us navy.
The Argues nicked it or was it sold to them I wonder ? Bit difficult to pinch the keys for a Sea King.
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There is conclusive evidence presented by the dutch investigating team that it was a Russian missile, from Russia, that shot down the plane. They released a video (which I can't seem to find now) that explained it meticulously step by step with corroborated evidence. I mean, the conclusion was so far beyond doubt it was ludicrous. I've just done a quick google search and it seems American intelligence camr to the same conclusion.
There was an episode of Air Crash Investigation dedicated to it, the conclusion as you say was that a surface to air missile brought it down, shrapnel was found in the aircrew bodies and matched shrapnel amongst the wreckage. The missile was designed not to hit the target but to explode close by, this one exploded to the left of the cockpit, with shrapnel damage confined to the cockpit area of the aircraft
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Not sure what the issue about the Sea King. There were several examples of the USA selling on platforms to Argentina before the Falklands War. The General Belgrano had been USS Phoenix in WWII.
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There is conclusive evidence presented by the dutch investigating team that it was a Russian missile, from Russia, that shot down the plane. They released a video (which I can't seem to find now) that explained it meticulously step by step with corroborated evidence. I mean, the conclusion was so far beyond doubt it was ludicrous. I've just done a quick google search and it seems American intelligence camr to the same conclusion.
There was an episode of Air Crash Investigation dedicated to it, the conclusion as you say was that a surface to air missile brought it down, shrapnel was found in the aircrew bodies and matched shrapnel amongst the wreckage. The missile was designed not to hit the target but to explode close by, this one exploded to the left of the cockpit, with shrapnel damage confined to the cockpit area of the aircraft
Exactly it wasn't an air-to- air missile unless you're Russian of course.
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Not sure what the issue about the Sea King. There were several examples of the USA selling on platforms to Argentina before the Falklands War. The General Belgrano had been USS Phoenix in WWII.
The Argentine Navy bought 5 in the early 80's built by Sikorsky.
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Not sure what the issue about the Sea King. There were several examples of the USA selling on platforms to Argentina before the Falklands War. The General Belgrano had been USS Phoenix in WWII.
The Argentine Navy bought 5 in the early 80's built by Sikorsky.
You've changed the subject matter Sproty , weren't you telling us about how a Ukrainian pilot committed suicide following his attack on MH 17 ?
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Not sure what the issue about the Sea King. There were several examples of the USA selling on platforms to Argentina before the Falklands War. The General Belgrano had been USS Phoenix in WWII.
The Argentine Navy bought 5 in the early 80's built by Sikorsky.
You've changed the subject matter Sproty , weren't you telling us about how a Ukrainian pilot committed suicide following his attack on MH 17 ?
Dagenham rover brought this up not me,I merely added some info I knew myself.
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Not sure what the issue about the Sea King. There were several examples of the USA selling on platforms to Argentina before the Falklands War. The General Belgrano had been USS Phoenix in WWII.
The Argentine Navy bought 5 in the early 80's built by Sikorsky.
You've changed the subject matter Sproty , weren't you telling us about how a Ukrainian pilot committed suicide following his attack on MH 17 ?
Dagenham rover brought this up not me,I merely added some info I knew myself.
I know he did but you neatly side- stepped different versions of the downing of MY 17 by following up on that story once challenged on your own version of events - long ago discredited !
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There were3 Sukhoi Su25 hedgehoppers in the immediate air space of Flight MH17 one flown by Vladyslav Voloshyn was slungwith 2 Soviet era Anti Air missiles. A ground crewman of the Ukrainian airforce claimed only Voloshyn returned the other 2 Sokhoi Su 25 were shot down by the Russian Sam system Voloshyn had fired off both his Air to air missiles at 21k feet the missiles were capable of travelling 10 kilometres if one exploded within 500 feet of an airliner it could bring it down.you only need to puncture a pressurised window to down it.
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In October 2015, the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) concluded that the airliner was downed by a Buk surface-to-air missile (NATO reporting name: SA-11 Gadfly) launched from pro-Russian separatist-controlled territory in Ukraine.[6][7] In September 2016, the Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) confirmed the missile type which had downed the aircraft and said that the Buk missile system had been transported from Russia on the day of the crash, fired from a field in a rebel controlled area and returned to Russia after the Buk was used to shoot down MH17. The JIT had established the identities of approximately 100 people, witnesses or suspects, who were linked to the transporting of the Buk, but said that their evidence "must stand before a court".[8]
The DSB and JIT findings confirmed earlier claims by American and German intelligence sources and the Ukrainian government as to the missile type and launch area. In 2014, Ukraine and US intelligence had also said that Russia had supplied the Buk missile to pro-Russian insurgents, who had mistakenly shot down the aircraft.[9][10][11][12] Also in 2014, German intelligence sources reported that they believed insurgents had stolen the missile from the Ukrainian military.[13][14][15
There is even film of said BUK missile launcher arriving via the Russian / Donetsk border and returning over said border the following morning minus a missile
https://youtu.be/968-IPGKRiA
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Voloshyn was interviewed about the allegation, he denied it all stating that yes the witness had worked at the base and yes 2 of his colleagues flying Skhoi SU 25 Aircraft. had been shot down by BUK missiles in an incedent but that was six days after the Airliner was shot down.
The AWACS aircraft report was never disclosed.
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Sproty, if you have any empathy with what Russia did to the Ukraine then in my eyes you are severely misguided.
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Sproty, if you have any empathy with what Russia did to the Ukraine then in my eyes you are severely misguided.
Hmm I couldn't agree more , just a little investigation into available info out there should tell you that as idler has pointed out - you may be on the wrong track ?
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Mind, it wouldn't surprise me. It's quite astonishing how many people who come onto Putin's radar as being problems end up offing themselves.
Just last week and old associate of Boris Berezovsky seems to have strangled himself. And of course, 5 years ago, Berezovsky hanged himself.
And in 2015, the journalist Alexander Shchetinin who had criticised Putin shot himself.
Then there was Scot Young, the property developer with links to Berezovsky who jumped out of a fourth floor window and impaled himself on railings.
I'm assuming that they are racked with guilt for upsetting the Great Leader who is so loved by his people.
Well bugger me! There’s another Putin critic who has carelessly walked into a bullet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44296672
Someone should tell them to be more careful, eh?
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Apropos the original subject of this thread, perhaps these investigators had better keep an eye out too..!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mh17-missile-ukraine-2014-russia-military-netherlands-deaths-investigation-a8366721.html
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Mind, it wouldn't surprise me. It's quite astonishing how many people who come onto Putin's radar as being problems end up offing themselves.
Just last week and old associate of Boris Berezovsky seems to have strangled himself. And of course, 5 years ago, Berezovsky hanged himself.
And in 2015, the journalist Alexander Shchetinin who had criticised Putin shot himself.
Then there was Scot Young, the property developer with links to Berezovsky who jumped out of a fourth floor window and impaled himself on railings.
I'm assuming that they are racked with guilt for upsetting the Great Leader who is so loved by his people.
Well bugger me! There’s another Putin critic who has carelessly walked into a bullet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44296672
Someone should tell them to be more careful, eh?
Apparently not, he's just held a news conference in Russia
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It was a big scam to draw out Russian spies...seems to have worked well on this forum
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Mind, it wouldn't surprise me. It's quite astonishing how many people who come onto Putin's radar as being problems end up offing themselves.
Just last week and old associate of Boris Berezovsky seems to have strangled himself. And of course, 5 years ago, Berezovsky hanged himself.
And in 2015, the journalist Alexander Shchetinin who had criticised Putin shot himself.
Then there was Scot Young, the property developer with links to Berezovsky who jumped out of a fourth floor window and impaled himself on railings.
I'm assuming that they are racked with guilt for upsetting the Great Leader who is so loved by his people.
Well bugger me! There’s another Putin critic who has carelessly walked into a bullet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44296672
Someone should tell them to be more careful, eh?
Apparently not, he's just held a news conference in Russia
It would seem rumours of his death have been greatly exaggerated.
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Putin brought him back from the dead. What a lad.
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Another smear campaign against Russia by the West brought to an end abruptly. The usual suspects on here complicit in being useful idiots.
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Well, it's smothered the news of the result of the investigation into Flight 17. Seems to have worked well on this forum!
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Who remembers when this Novichok only had a Bob Hope survival rate yet we've seen some kind of miracle in modern day Britain? The emergency services that dealt with them need canonising for not only bringing them back from impending death but surviving the exposure. Quite simply a miracle.
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Goodness. Miracles happen!
I’m assuming we’ll see Anna Politkovskaya and Alex Litvinenko back in the land of the living soon then.
And Boris Nemtsov.
And Boris Berezovsky.
And Sergei Magnitsky.
And Natalia Estemirova.
And Sergei Yushenkov.
And Yuri Shchekochikhin.
And Stanislav Markelov.
And Anna Baburova.
I’m assuming all of those “deaths” of Putin critics were staged by the West to smear yer man.
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Goodness. Miracles happen!
I’m assuming we’ll see Anna Politkovskaya and Alex Litvinenko back in the land of the living soon then.
And Boris Nemtsov.
And Boris Berezovsky.
And Sergei Magnitsky.
And Natalia Estemirova.
And Sergei Yushenkov.
And Yuri Shchekochikhin.
And Stanislav Markelov.
And Anna Baburova.
I’m assuming all of those “deaths” of Putin critics were staged by the West to smear yer man.
Watch it Billy you'll be on the hit list next :)
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Mind, it wouldn't surprise me. It's quite astonishing how many people who come onto Putin's radar as being problems end up offing themselves.
Just last week and old associate of Boris Berezovsky seems to have strangled himself. And of course, 5 years ago, Berezovsky hanged himself.
And in 2015, the journalist Alexander Shchetinin who had criticised Putin shot himself.
Then there was Scot Young, the property developer with links to Berezovsky who jumped out of a fourth floor window and impaled himself on railings.
I'm assuming that they are racked with guilt for upsetting the Great Leader who is so loved by his people.
Well bugger me! There’s another Putin critic who has carelessly walked into a bullet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44296672
Someone should tell them to be more careful, eh?
Apparently not, he's just held a news conference in Russia
In Ukraine. Kind of a very critical detail that.
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Mind, it wouldn't surprise me. It's quite astonishing how many people who come onto Putin's radar as being problems end up offing themselves.
Just last week and old associate of Boris Berezovsky seems to have strangled himself. And of course, 5 years ago, Berezovsky hanged himself.
And in 2015, the journalist Alexander Shchetinin who had criticised Putin shot himself.
Then there was Scot Young, the property developer with links to Berezovsky who jumped out of a fourth floor window and impaled himself on railings.
I'm assuming that they are racked with guilt for upsetting the Great Leader who is so loved by his people.
Well bugger me! There’s another Putin critic who has carelessly walked into a bullet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44296672
Someone should tell them to be more careful, eh?
Apparently not, he's just held a news conference in Russia
In Ukraine. Kind of a very critical detail that.
Yes apologies, I posted that as the news was breaking
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Is Remorse in Russia or Ukraine?
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Goodness. Miracles happen!
I’m assuming we’ll see Anna Politkovskaya and Alex Litvinenko back in the land of the living soon then.
And Boris Nemtsov.
And Boris Berezovsky.
And Sergei Magnitsky.
And Natalia Estemirova.
And Sergei Yushenkov.
And Yuri Shchekochikhin.
And Stanislav Markelov.
And Anna Baburova.
I’m assuming all of those “deaths” of Putin critics were staged by the West to smear yer man.
Putin's not my man. However quoting suicides and murders where the culprits reside in jail isn't going to convince anyone.
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The culprits eh? Suicides? Remind me which of those cases was a suicide?
No one has ever been brought to trial for the assassinations of Natalya Estemirova or Anna Politskayova.
Russia claims that Chechen gunmen killed Boris Nemtsov. Conveniently, just as he was about to publish research showing Russian forces’ involvement in Ukraine...
Yuri Shchekochikhin diedin a hospital run by the security services of a mysterious poisoning. His medical records are classified. The official inquest decided there was no evidence he’d been murdered.
Stanislav Markelov and Anna Baburova were shot just outside the Kremlin in broad daylight with a gun that had a silencer. The “culprits” who went down for this were two student radicals with no track record of violent attack who, apparently, attacked Markelov because he had got involved in a previous legal case with their group.
An open verdict was return by the British Coroner in the Boris Berezovsky case. Russia has pushed the line that he killed himself. Several of Berezovsky’s close associates have since also, apparently killed themselves.
The convicted murderers of Sergei Yushenkov included an opposition party leader. Handy...
Andrei Litvinenko claimed that Sergei Yushenkov was murdered by the Russian security service because of what he knew about the Moscow theatre siege. I wonder what happened to Litvinenko.
See Wes, I KNOW that the line from the Labour leader’s office is to turn a blind eye to Russia’s crimes because it “deflects attention” from American crimes. But I prefer to make my own mind up to be honest. The thought of ignoring and normalising Putin’s actions is frankly obscene.
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Yes it's a Dangerous world if you are in dissent with Putin, loads of factions with an axe to grind with Russia are likely to try top you off just to try and discredit Putin
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You are beyond hope Sproty. It is people like you, who refuse to believe the evidence right in front of your eyes, who allow Very Bad Things to happen.
You’ve spent many posts in here telling us that blaming the Malaysian Airliner downing on Russia was a put up job. You’ll still believe that regardless of the independent investigatory commission report this week. Because you have decided that you are on Putin’s side. And you won’t listen to anything against him.
Did you hear what Trump said back in 2016? He said, “I could go out and shoot someone on 5th Avenue and I wouldn’t lose any support.”
Just ponder that for a bit.
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You just can't believe anything that comes out of the Ukraine they have done a good job of destroying their own credibility https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-05-31/russian-journalist-s-faked-death-hurts-ukraine-s-credibility
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And Russia are the absolute epitome of veracity. :silly:
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I fully agree Sproty.
Right. That’s settled. What about that Malaysian airliner and that list of Putin critics who met with unusual ends?
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Or the Palestinian nurse murdered by a sniper whilst tending the wounded from the latest clashes Gaza. Why isn't the world up in arms about her?
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Or the Palestinian nurse murdered by a sniper whilst tending the wounded from the latest clashes Gaza. Why isn't the world up in arms about her?
Because state media is run by Jews?
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Or the Palestinian nurse murdered by a sniper whilst tending the wounded from the latest clashes Gaza. Why isn't the world up in arms about her?
That wasn’t the topic of this thread Wilts.
But since you ask, I’m disgusted by the behaviour of Israel towards the Palestinians, both in general and in this particular instance.
Are you disgusted at Putin’s way of silencing his enemies? From the individual assassinations on the back streets of Moscow, to carpet bombing of Aleppo.? Or do you toe the line that we don’t criticise Putin because that deflects attention?
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Frankly I find all these '' state sponsored '' acts barbaric whether it be by Russia, Israel, Syria, USA, Ukraine or any other nation . However the first 2 nations Russia and Israel are masters at it .
The list of individuals taken out by the Russian state is particularly alarming because this is a state that seems neither worried by any collateral damage to innocents not on their radar ( Salisbury ), nor the locations where the assassinations ( for that's what they are ) take place as long as the jobs are done . This leader ( Putin ) completely disrespects and disregards accepted international rules whether it be by carrying out ' state- sponsored ' individual and collective assassinations ( MH17), sports doping, or the wholesale take over of Crimea and involvement in Syria and Eastern Ukraine. No one country including the USA seems capable of checking his/ their criminal behaviour In fact the world seems completely powerless to prevent this man using the Russian state in whatsoever way he pleases and with little consequence for the foreseeable future.
Yet another term in office will further embolden him to project his power further in the world with relative impunity. Ostracising the Russian state further seems to only play into his hands. Perhaps it's time to change the rules and face up to the bully ?